Sign of the times

York Press: Sign of the times Sign of the times

IF THE number of people penalised for using the Lendal Bridge bus lane is in the region of 2,500 per week, and it is, then it is quite clear that the problem lies with the signage.

I refuse to believe that there are this many drivers who willfully ignore road signs if such signs are clear, timely and comprehensible.‘ Information on PCNs issued is available from the York.gov.uk website.

And yes, it does leave a sour taste.

Frank Allender, Rossendale, Lancashire.

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12:37pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Von_Dutch says...

Despite the rights & wrongs of closing this bridge, the signage is actually perfectly legitimate and legally correct. It's also very obvious at either end of the bridge.

I suspect the problem lies in the fact that the "No Motor Vehicles" sign generally isn't that recognised as meaning such, or there's some uncertainty - despite all of us with licenses who 'should' know what it means. If the sign was a red-circle with a red line through it (like no smoking signs) i believe this would make it much clearer, but that would need to be a change at national level.
Despite the rights & wrongs of closing this bridge, the signage is actually perfectly legitimate and legally correct. It's also very obvious at either end of the bridge. I suspect the problem lies in the fact that the "No Motor Vehicles" sign generally isn't that recognised as meaning such, or there's some uncertainty - despite all of us with licenses who 'should' know what it means. If the sign was a red-circle with a red line through it (like no smoking signs) i believe this would make it much clearer, but that would need to be a change at national level. Von_Dutch
  • Score: 8

1:00pm Thu 30 Jan 14

WhyEver says...

The original signs at the Museum Gardens end were anything but "very obvious". The new ones are bigger but still badly placed in the middle of a wide open stretch of road.

Why didn't the council spend some of the £1M fines money on a few traffic cones to actually close the bridge, or even a bloke with a Stop/Go board to turn cars back?
The original signs at the Museum Gardens end were anything but "very obvious". The new ones are bigger but still badly placed in the middle of a wide open stretch of road. Why didn't the council spend some of the £1M fines money on a few traffic cones to actually close the bridge, or even a bloke with a Stop/Go board to turn cars back? WhyEver
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1:21pm Thu 30 Jan 14

wallman says...

Stop & Go board great idea just the job for merritt and alexander they might just get it right with a bit of training
Stop & Go board great idea just the job for merritt and alexander they might just get it right with a bit of training wallman
  • Score: -6

5:13pm Thu 30 Jan 14

E=MC^2 says...

Do sat navs, display the closure information?
Do sat navs, display the closure information? E=MC^2
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2:22am Fri 31 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

Von_Dutch wrote:
Despite the rights & wrongs of closing this bridge, the signage is actually perfectly legitimate and legally correct. It's also very obvious at either end of the bridge.

I suspect the problem lies in the fact that the "No Motor Vehicles" sign generally isn't that recognised as meaning such, or there's some uncertainty - despite all of us with licenses who 'should' know what it means. If the sign was a red-circle with a red line through it (like no smoking signs) i believe this would make it much clearer, but that would need to be a change at national level.
The council could just replace the 'no motor vehicles' sign with a clear 'No Entry' sign, with the exemption plate "Except buses, Taxis and authorised vehicles"... special permission would be required - but the outcome would be that everybody trying to appeal their fines wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
[quote][p][bold]Von_Dutch[/bold] wrote: Despite the rights & wrongs of closing this bridge, the signage is actually perfectly legitimate and legally correct. It's also very obvious at either end of the bridge. I suspect the problem lies in the fact that the "No Motor Vehicles" sign generally isn't that recognised as meaning such, or there's some uncertainty - despite all of us with licenses who 'should' know what it means. If the sign was a red-circle with a red line through it (like no smoking signs) i believe this would make it much clearer, but that would need to be a change at national level.[/p][/quote]The council could just replace the 'no motor vehicles' sign with a clear 'No Entry' sign, with the exemption plate "Except buses, Taxis and authorised vehicles"... special permission would be required - but the outcome would be that everybody trying to appeal their fines wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Magicman!
  • Score: 3

2:23am Fri 31 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

E=MC^2 wrote:
Do sat navs, display the closure information?
I don't, think they, do.
(commas added for *dramatic effect*!!)
[quote][p][bold]E=MC^2[/bold] wrote: Do sat navs, display the closure information?[/p][/quote]I don't, think they, do. (commas added for *dramatic effect*!!) Magicman!
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Fri 31 Jan 14

greggy83 says...

Even though the signs are clear, here's a suggestion to make it even clearer. Instead of using the usual "No Motor Vehicles" sign, why not use the blue "buses/taxis/authori
sed vehicles only" sign? Or would people mistake that too? What about a variable message sign similar to those on Parliament Street that twist round according to the time of day? Thoughts, people?
Even though the signs are clear, here's a suggestion to make it even clearer. Instead of using the usual "No Motor Vehicles" sign, why not use the blue "buses/taxis/authori sed vehicles only" sign? Or would people mistake that too? What about a variable message sign similar to those on Parliament Street that twist round according to the time of day? Thoughts, people? greggy83
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2:35am Sat 1 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

greggy83 wrote:
Even though the signs are clear, here's a suggestion to make it even clearer. Instead of using the usual "No Motor Vehicles" sign, why not use the blue "buses/taxis/authori

sed vehicles only" sign? Or would people mistake that too? What about a variable message sign similar to those on Parliament Street that twist round according to the time of day? Thoughts, people?
Unfortunately it would not be possible to enforce that then, as a blue-backed sign is 'Advisory' and so cameras cannot be used to issue fines. Manchester found that out the hard way on its bus lane outside Victoria rail station a while back, had to repay a considerable amount of fines back because they had bene illegally charged.

Using a VMS which shows a 'no entry' sign during the hours of bridge closure might be an idea though.... or follow Manchester's example and fit up LED boards whereby the LED's make up the No Entry roundel and the text below "Except Buses"....
[quote][p][bold]greggy83[/bold] wrote: Even though the signs are clear, here's a suggestion to make it even clearer. Instead of using the usual "No Motor Vehicles" sign, why not use the blue "buses/taxis/authori sed vehicles only" sign? Or would people mistake that too? What about a variable message sign similar to those on Parliament Street that twist round according to the time of day? Thoughts, people?[/p][/quote]Unfortunately it would not be possible to enforce that then, as a blue-backed sign is 'Advisory' and so cameras cannot be used to issue fines. Manchester found that out the hard way on its bus lane outside Victoria rail station a while back, had to repay a considerable amount of fines back because they had bene illegally charged. Using a VMS which shows a 'no entry' sign during the hours of bridge closure might be an idea though.... or follow Manchester's example and fit up LED boards whereby the LED's make up the No Entry roundel and the text below "Except Buses".... Magicman!
  • Score: 3

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