‘Crime figures do not reflect reality’

York Press: ‘Crime figures do not reflect reality’ ‘Crime figures do not reflect reality’

THE Government, police and others are now claiming that overall crime is at its lowest level since records began.

It might just be true that violent crime, car theft and house burglaries have fallen, mainly because of better security arrangements in the homes and on cars, the use of DNA to capture criminals, and better technology.

Credit card fraud and other types of credit fraud are not included in the crime figures, but this is an area of much increased crime. Shoplifting has increased immensely, as have drug-related offences, antisocial behaviour and sexual crimes.

More and more “minor” crimes are not reported because the general public knows full well that our overstretched, undermanned and lower-funded police forces cannot cope with the demand on their limited resources.

The most we can often hope for is an incident number. We do not have enough prisons to keep all the criminals where they should be.

Our three largest parties all talk tough on crime, but that is all it is – just talk. None of them dares to carry out what the UK citizens really long for. I just do not believe the latest figures.

David Quarrie, Lynden Way, Holgate, York.
 

• LIKE Graeme Rudd (Letters, January 21), I too found it incredible that the police failed to take positive action against the yobs who caused havoc in Gillygate with the overturning of wheelie bins and strewing of rubbish.

As a minimum punishment these louts should have been named and shamed, together with a substantial fine.

How is yobbish behaviour going to be eradicated with such ineffective decision making and sentencing?

Come on North Yorkshire Police, you can surely do much better than this.

Bill Bevan, Eastfield Crescent, Badger Hill, York.

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12:46pm Sat 25 Jan 14

wildthing666 says...

I agree, a use of a statistic by cutting out parts that reflect badly on the overall picture.
I agree, a use of a statistic by cutting out parts that reflect badly on the overall picture. wildthing666
  • Score: 7

1:03pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Mulgrave says...

I broadly agree with David Quarrie, but think he is on shaky ground with the sexual crime claim, people have always reported their car being nicked and it will always have been logged, post Savile we now know this is not true of all crime.
I broadly agree with David Quarrie, but think he is on shaky ground with the sexual crime claim, people have always reported their car being nicked and it will always have been logged, post Savile we now know this is not true of all crime. Mulgrave
  • Score: 2

6:11pm Sat 25 Jan 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Quite right Bill, those Gilligate yobs committed a criminal offence and the three of them should have been booked. Unrecorded crime,. Then what about the scams from Nigerian Internet Cafes?' Give me your bank details and I'll pay you double later, much, much later no doubt.
We have sucker lists in our own country, cold callers taking the retirement funds from the elderly and confused, as above offering returns too good to be true. They claim to be selling land, usually a tiny plot in the middle of a field that has no hope of planning permission. Then there are carbon credits, basically fresh air, wine and even diamonds that can be 500% overvalued and may not even exist.
The problem is that so often these people just disappear and hence no conviction and nothing on the crime stats.
No I don't believe crime is down and I don't believe inflation is down either when RPI has risen to 2.7% but not widely reported.
Quite right Bill, those Gilligate yobs committed a criminal offence and the three of them should have been booked. Unrecorded crime,. Then what about the scams from Nigerian Internet Cafes?' Give me your bank details and I'll pay you double later, much, much later no doubt. We have sucker lists in our own country, cold callers taking the retirement funds from the elderly and confused, as above offering returns too good to be true. They claim to be selling land, usually a tiny plot in the middle of a field that has no hope of planning permission. Then there are carbon credits, basically fresh air, wine and even diamonds that can be 500% overvalued and may not even exist. The problem is that so often these people just disappear and hence no conviction and nothing on the crime stats. No I don't believe crime is down and I don't believe inflation is down either when RPI has risen to 2.7% but not widely reported. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -34

9:44pm Sat 25 Jan 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Must have been the mention of carbon credits?
Must have been the mention of carbon credits? ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 1

10:28am Sun 26 Jan 14

tonyfromitaly says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Quite right Bill, those Gilligate yobs committed a criminal offence and the three of them should have been booked. Unrecorded crime,. Then what about the scams from Nigerian Internet Cafes?' Give me your bank details and I'll pay you double later, much, much later no doubt.
We have sucker lists in our own country, cold callers taking the retirement funds from the elderly and confused, as above offering returns too good to be true. They claim to be selling land, usually a tiny plot in the middle of a field that has no hope of planning permission. Then there are carbon credits, basically fresh air, wine and even diamonds that can be 500% overvalued and may not even exist.
The problem is that so often these people just disappear and hence no conviction and nothing on the crime stats.
No I don't believe crime is down and I don't believe inflation is down either when RPI has risen to 2.7% but not widely reported.
Not helped by York Police officers trying to persuade victims of crime not to pursue the matter. Quote " we like to think we can keep them out of the justice system" And they do by ignoring the request of the complainants, issuing a caution (you silly boy dont do it again) or rather dont get caught again. The justice system, if you can call it that any more is a complete joke. Why bother reporting incidents ? when you know nothing will come of it.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Quite right Bill, those Gilligate yobs committed a criminal offence and the three of them should have been booked. Unrecorded crime,. Then what about the scams from Nigerian Internet Cafes?' Give me your bank details and I'll pay you double later, much, much later no doubt. We have sucker lists in our own country, cold callers taking the retirement funds from the elderly and confused, as above offering returns too good to be true. They claim to be selling land, usually a tiny plot in the middle of a field that has no hope of planning permission. Then there are carbon credits, basically fresh air, wine and even diamonds that can be 500% overvalued and may not even exist. The problem is that so often these people just disappear and hence no conviction and nothing on the crime stats. No I don't believe crime is down and I don't believe inflation is down either when RPI has risen to 2.7% but not widely reported.[/p][/quote]Not helped by York Police officers trying to persuade victims of crime not to pursue the matter. Quote " we like to think we can keep them out of the justice system" And they do by ignoring the request of the complainants, issuing a caution (you silly boy dont do it again) or rather dont get caught again. The justice system, if you can call it that any more is a complete joke. Why bother reporting incidents ? when you know nothing will come of it. tonyfromitaly
  • Score: 1

2:52pm Sun 26 Jan 14

old_geezer says...

Even murder figures are dubious. I'm against capital punishment, but think account should be taken of the enormous improvements in paramedic training, ambulance services, and severe trauma surgery since its abolition - meaning that I think there HAS been a real increase in serious violence over the last couple of generations. Also, random attacks by street-drinking booted youths were vanishingly rare whereas now every town suffers them; Gary Newlove and Sophie Lancaster were only the tip of the iceberg.
Even murder figures are dubious. I'm against capital punishment, but think account should be taken of the enormous improvements in paramedic training, ambulance services, and severe trauma surgery since its abolition - meaning that I think there HAS been a real increase in serious violence over the last couple of generations. Also, random attacks by street-drinking booted youths were vanishingly rare whereas now every town suffers them; Gary Newlove and Sophie Lancaster were only the tip of the iceberg. old_geezer
  • Score: 4

9:00pm Sun 26 Jan 14

NoMorePlease says...

old_geezer wrote:
Even murder figures are dubious. I'm against capital punishment, but think account should be taken of the enormous improvements in paramedic training, ambulance services, and severe trauma surgery since its abolition - meaning that I think there HAS been a real increase in serious violence over the last couple of generations. Also, random attacks by street-drinking booted youths were vanishingly rare whereas now every town suffers them; Gary Newlove and Sophie Lancaster were only the tip of the iceberg.
Murder figures are down precisly because victims prevously dying are not doing so for the medical intervention you mention.
[quote][p][bold]old_geezer[/bold] wrote: Even murder figures are dubious. I'm against capital punishment, but think account should be taken of the enormous improvements in paramedic training, ambulance services, and severe trauma surgery since its abolition - meaning that I think there HAS been a real increase in serious violence over the last couple of generations. Also, random attacks by street-drinking booted youths were vanishingly rare whereas now every town suffers them; Gary Newlove and Sophie Lancaster were only the tip of the iceberg.[/p][/quote]Murder figures are down precisly because victims prevously dying are not doing so for the medical intervention you mention. NoMorePlease
  • Score: 2

2:39pm Mon 27 Jan 14

York Fox says...

I'm pretty sure that the only way anyone outside the system can suggest statistics might not be accurate is by identifying changes in the way the statistics are produced. There is no way any one person or group can really know if a crime statistic is accurate or not, they just won't have wide enough evidence.

Unless they are very, very unlucky and the victim of every crime of course!
I'm pretty sure that the only way anyone outside the system can suggest statistics might not be accurate is by identifying changes in the way the statistics are produced. There is no way any one person or group can really know if a crime statistic is accurate or not, they just won't have wide enough evidence. Unless they are very, very unlucky and the victim of every crime of course! York Fox
  • Score: 2

6:47pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Sillybillies says...

As most of us are aware, and have been saying for years, crime is going up not down. Now it's more or less official. -
The Statistics Authority said the removal of the designation of national statistics would remain until the Office for National Statistics (ONS), working with the Home Office, Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary and others, was able to demonstrate that the quality of the underlying crime data was sufficient to meet the needs of users. The allegations have included claims that the Metropolitan police have understated sexual offences by as much as 25%. MPs have heard allegations that fiddling techniques have included downgrading offences to less serious crimes or persuading victims not to make a complaint, while in some cases crimes were only recorded if they were solved. Other incidents were kept completely off the books if an offender could not be traced, they have been told.
As most of us are aware, and have been saying for years, crime is going up not down. Now it's more or less official. - [quote]The Statistics Authority said the removal of the designation of national statistics would remain until the Office for National Statistics (ONS), working with the Home Office, Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary and others, was able to demonstrate that the quality of the underlying crime data was sufficient to meet the needs of users. The allegations have included claims that the Metropolitan police have understated sexual offences by as much as 25%. MPs have heard allegations that fiddling techniques have included downgrading offences to less serious crimes or persuading victims not to make a complaint, while in some cases crimes were only recorded if they were solved. Other incidents were kept completely off the books if an offender could not be traced, they have been told.[/quote] Sillybillies
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