Dormitory town now

York Press: Dormitory town now Dormitory town now

I ENTIRELY agree with Phil Crowder’s sentiments regarding York needing more core employment (Letters, January 22).

A few years ago The Press published my letter which also expressed concerns for the young people of this city and their restricted options of employment. Yes! I know the employment figures for York are low, but the fundamental issues remain.

The only large industrial company left that comes to mind is Shepherds –and long may they be successful. York has become a dormitory – just see the traffic from 6am heading towards Leeds every day its citizens drive for a decent wage.

The photograph taken at York Carriageworks in its prime made my blood boil. How could we throw away generations of those skills and then place orders for trains in Germany? It’s just lamentably stupid. York also lost the expertise and skills of Vickers, making specialised optical instruments for defence.

We have a beautiful city and it should be easy to bring companies to York. How I wish we had the Nissan Factory near by. York’s MPs and council need to court industry to move here and put brown sites to the purpose they are designated for. Let’s start making things, create apprenticeships and stop building more hotels!

Keith Massey, Mill Lane, York.

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10:53am Fri 24 Jan 14

The Great Buda says...

Could you imagine the furore if Nissan said they where going to build a factory in York?

These pages would be full of NIMBY's having a winge.
Could you imagine the furore if Nissan said they where going to build a factory in York? These pages would be full of NIMBY's having a winge. The Great Buda

12:33pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Indeed, if we did have more industry paying good wages and offering career prospects we might see fewer disaffected young men walking the streets drinking strong lager.
Indeed, if we did have more industry paying good wages and offering career prospects we might see fewer disaffected young men walking the streets drinking strong lager. Buzzz Light-year

1:21pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Mulgrave says...

Whilst many head out to work in Leeds, the queue to get in on the A19 stretches back to Escrick.The growth in financial services businesses in Leeds coincided with the major road upgrade in the late 1990s and put York as a prime residential location for these affluent workers, and is a significant factor in the relatively high housing costs in the city.

I suggest that more employment prospects in the Selby/Hull areas would remove the need for some of the inward commuting leaving more jobs for residents. Opening a new factory in the city limits will not interest many of the Leeds workers, but would be an additional draw for Selby/East Yorkshire residents causing ever more stress on the A19 and A1079.
Whilst many head out to work in Leeds, the queue to get in on the A19 stretches back to Escrick.The growth in financial services businesses in Leeds coincided with the major road upgrade in the late 1990s and put York as a prime residential location for these affluent workers, and is a significant factor in the relatively high housing costs in the city. I suggest that more employment prospects in the Selby/Hull areas would remove the need for some of the inward commuting leaving more jobs for residents. Opening a new factory in the city limits will not interest many of the Leeds workers, but would be an additional draw for Selby/East Yorkshire residents causing ever more stress on the A19 and A1079. Mulgrave

2:51pm Fri 24 Jan 14

The Great Buda says...

Interesting idea Mulgrave, I believe there are companies looking to invest in the Hull/Humberside area. Time will tell on that; but York needs these companies just as much as they do. Not everyone in York works in Leeds.
Interesting idea Mulgrave, I believe there are companies looking to invest in the Hull/Humberside area. Time will tell on that; but York needs these companies just as much as they do. Not everyone in York works in Leeds. The Great Buda

4:58pm Fri 24 Jan 14

York_Jester says...

I agree with this, I moved to York after finishing my law degree because it's a beautiful city. I have a good job at the moment but I'm young so I obviosuly want to progress in my career in the future.

Unfortunately York doesn't have many opportunities for me, it's a great place to live but the lure of oppertunity has made me reconsider my future in York.

It doesn't help when most large out of town business parks have terrible public transport connections. For someone withiout a car it's very limiting.
I agree with this, I moved to York after finishing my law degree because it's a beautiful city. I have a good job at the moment but I'm young so I obviosuly want to progress in my career in the future. Unfortunately York doesn't have many opportunities for me, it's a great place to live but the lure of oppertunity has made me reconsider my future in York. It doesn't help when most large out of town business parks have terrible public transport connections. For someone withiout a car it's very limiting. York_Jester

8:19pm Fri 24 Jan 14

gwen4me says...

Its amazing how the city has changed since I moved here in 1959. I honestly don`t know how the country supports itself these days, every time a new proposal is put forward the fungus face brigade gets it squashed.
Its amazing how the city has changed since I moved here in 1959. I honestly don`t know how the country supports itself these days, every time a new proposal is put forward the fungus face brigade gets it squashed. gwen4me

12:29am Sat 25 Jan 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

I'm all for new industry or a further development of British industry coming to York. But I draw the line at building Japanese cars here. We can do better than that.
I'm all for new industry or a further development of British industry coming to York. But I draw the line at building Japanese cars here. We can do better than that. ColdAsChristmas

1:34am Sat 25 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

York_Jester wrote:
I agree with this, I moved to York after finishing my law degree because it's a beautiful city. I have a good job at the moment but I'm young so I obviosuly want to progress in my career in the future.

Unfortunately York doesn't have many opportunities for me, it's a great place to live but the lure of oppertunity has made me reconsider my future in York.

It doesn't help when most large out of town business parks have terrible public transport connections. For someone withiout a car it's very limiting.
can agree to that. cycling to poppleton buisness park from monks cross is OK as the odd journey on your own time; but to make such a journey every day whatever the weather throws out and with time limitations would be something quite different. Sadly, those who can drive to work and/or already have jobs cannot understand it. I was signed with an employment agency (Relay) and they asked me what sort of jobs I was after and my limitations - I said I only have a pushbike. about a week later they said there was a position matching my skills.... in Wheldrake, and starting at a time before the first bus goes out. I said I cannot get out there and their reply was basically 'well we cannot help you so we shall take you off our books', after just one offer.
[quote][p][bold]York_Jester[/bold] wrote: I agree with this, I moved to York after finishing my law degree because it's a beautiful city. I have a good job at the moment but I'm young so I obviosuly want to progress in my career in the future. Unfortunately York doesn't have many opportunities for me, it's a great place to live but the lure of oppertunity has made me reconsider my future in York. It doesn't help when most large out of town business parks have terrible public transport connections. For someone withiout a car it's very limiting.[/p][/quote]can agree to that. cycling to poppleton buisness park from monks cross is OK as the odd journey on your own time; but to make such a journey every day whatever the weather throws out and with time limitations would be something quite different. Sadly, those who can drive to work and/or already have jobs cannot understand it. I was signed with an employment agency (Relay) and they asked me what sort of jobs I was after and my limitations - I said I only have a pushbike. about a week later they said there was a position matching my skills.... in Wheldrake, and starting at a time before the first bus goes out. I said I cannot get out there and their reply was basically 'well we cannot help you so we shall take you off our books', after just one offer. Magicman!

1:50pm Sat 25 Jan 14

York Fox says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
I'm all for new industry or a further development of British industry coming to York. But I draw the line at building Japanese cars here. We can do better than that.
I don't really understand the sentiment CaC. If a world class car manufacturer wanted to train York's workforce to be engineers and pay them good wages, what does it matter if they are Japanese? If you want to wait for a UK car company you'd be waiting a very long time! Of course once you have a well trained workforce who knows which other firms would move in.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: I'm all for new industry or a further development of British industry coming to York. But I draw the line at building Japanese cars here. We can do better than that.[/p][/quote]I don't really understand the sentiment CaC. If a world class car manufacturer wanted to train York's workforce to be engineers and pay them good wages, what does it matter if they are Japanese? If you want to wait for a UK car company you'd be waiting a very long time! Of course once you have a well trained workforce who knows which other firms would move in. York Fox

11:14pm Sat 25 Jan 14

oi oi savaloy says...

York Fox wrote:
ColdAsChristmas wrote:
I'm all for new industry or a further development of British industry coming to York. But I draw the line at building Japanese cars here. We can do better than that.
I don't really understand the sentiment CaC. If a world class car manufacturer wanted to train York's workforce to be engineers and pay them good wages, what does it matter if they are Japanese? If you want to wait for a UK car company you'd be waiting a very long time! Of course once you have a well trained workforce who knows which other firms would move in.
engineers??? i think you will find nissan use a flow line system and employ unskilled people... the job will entail a production line where the car flows thru and the worker puts on A nut or machine screw or 1 of many other car parts... yes we really can do better than that, the trains were practically hand built in york with hand and power tools from engineering drawings, lets not forget that york was a train maker to the world , seems now we are just becoming checkout girls and 'barista's' (posh name for frothy coffee maker)
[quote][p][bold]York Fox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: I'm all for new industry or a further development of British industry coming to York. But I draw the line at building Japanese cars here. We can do better than that.[/p][/quote]I don't really understand the sentiment CaC. If a world class car manufacturer wanted to train York's workforce to be engineers and pay them good wages, what does it matter if they are Japanese? If you want to wait for a UK car company you'd be waiting a very long time! Of course once you have a well trained workforce who knows which other firms would move in.[/p][/quote]engineers??? i think you will find nissan use a flow line system and employ unskilled people... the job will entail a production line where the car flows thru and the worker puts on A nut or machine screw or 1 of many other car parts... yes we really can do better than that, the trains were practically hand built in york with hand and power tools from engineering drawings, lets not forget that york was a train maker to the world , seems now we are just becoming checkout girls and 'barista's' (posh name for frothy coffee maker) oi oi savaloy

2:22pm Sun 26 Jan 14

York Fox says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
York Fox wrote:
ColdAsChristmas wrote:
I'm all for new industry or a further development of British industry coming to York. But I draw the line at building Japanese cars here. We can do better than that.
I don't really understand the sentiment CaC. If a world class car manufacturer wanted to train York's workforce to be engineers and pay them good wages, what does it matter if they are Japanese? If you want to wait for a UK car company you'd be waiting a very long time! Of course once you have a well trained workforce who knows which other firms would move in.
engineers??? i think you will find nissan use a flow line system and employ unskilled people... the job will entail a production line where the car flows thru and the worker puts on A nut or machine screw or 1 of many other car parts... yes we really can do better than that, the trains were practically hand built in york with hand and power tools from engineering drawings, lets not forget that york was a train maker to the world , seems now we are just becoming checkout girls and 'barista's' (posh name for frothy coffee maker)
Perhaps the reason you have to use the past tense regarding our train engineering is precisely because we made them at great expense by hand to paper drawings rather than 3d CAD, robots and flow lines in a modern manner.

Those days are gone, forever. Get over it!
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York Fox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: I'm all for new industry or a further development of British industry coming to York. But I draw the line at building Japanese cars here. We can do better than that.[/p][/quote]I don't really understand the sentiment CaC. If a world class car manufacturer wanted to train York's workforce to be engineers and pay them good wages, what does it matter if they are Japanese? If you want to wait for a UK car company you'd be waiting a very long time! Of course once you have a well trained workforce who knows which other firms would move in.[/p][/quote]engineers??? i think you will find nissan use a flow line system and employ unskilled people... the job will entail a production line where the car flows thru and the worker puts on A nut or machine screw or 1 of many other car parts... yes we really can do better than that, the trains were practically hand built in york with hand and power tools from engineering drawings, lets not forget that york was a train maker to the world , seems now we are just becoming checkout girls and 'barista's' (posh name for frothy coffee maker)[/p][/quote]Perhaps the reason you have to use the past tense regarding our train engineering is precisely because we made them at great expense by hand to paper drawings rather than 3d CAD, robots and flow lines in a modern manner. Those days are gone, forever. Get over it! York Fox

2:56pm Sun 26 Jan 14

oi oi savaloy says...

York Fox wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
York Fox wrote:
ColdAsChristmas wrote:
I'm all for new industry or a further development of British industry coming to York. But I draw the line at building Japanese cars here. We can do better than that.
I don't really understand the sentiment CaC. If a world class car manufacturer wanted to train York's workforce to be engineers and pay them good wages, what does it matter if they are Japanese? If you want to wait for a UK car company you'd be waiting a very long time! Of course once you have a well trained workforce who knows which other firms would move in.
engineers??? i think you will find nissan use a flow line system and employ unskilled people... the job will entail a production line where the car flows thru and the worker puts on A nut or machine screw or 1 of many other car parts... yes we really can do better than that, the trains were practically hand built in york with hand and power tools from engineering drawings, lets not forget that york was a train maker to the world , seems now we are just becoming checkout girls and 'barista's' (posh name for frothy coffee maker)
Perhaps the reason you have to use the past tense regarding our train engineering is precisely because we made them at great expense by hand to paper drawings rather than 3d CAD, robots and flow lines in a modern manner.

Those days are gone, forever. Get over it!
you get over it matey.... York carriage works moved with the times and used up to date technology as it was introduced.... moron!!
[quote][p][bold]York Fox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York Fox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: I'm all for new industry or a further development of British industry coming to York. But I draw the line at building Japanese cars here. We can do better than that.[/p][/quote]I don't really understand the sentiment CaC. If a world class car manufacturer wanted to train York's workforce to be engineers and pay them good wages, what does it matter if they are Japanese? If you want to wait for a UK car company you'd be waiting a very long time! Of course once you have a well trained workforce who knows which other firms would move in.[/p][/quote]engineers??? i think you will find nissan use a flow line system and employ unskilled people... the job will entail a production line where the car flows thru and the worker puts on A nut or machine screw or 1 of many other car parts... yes we really can do better than that, the trains were practically hand built in york with hand and power tools from engineering drawings, lets not forget that york was a train maker to the world , seems now we are just becoming checkout girls and 'barista's' (posh name for frothy coffee maker)[/p][/quote]Perhaps the reason you have to use the past tense regarding our train engineering is precisely because we made them at great expense by hand to paper drawings rather than 3d CAD, robots and flow lines in a modern manner. Those days are gone, forever. Get over it![/p][/quote]you get over it matey.... York carriage works moved with the times and used up to date technology as it was introduced.... moron!! oi oi savaloy

2:33pm Mon 27 Jan 14

York Fox says...

Seems you have argued against yourself there. Can't have it both ways Mr Savaloy. Either the carriageworks produced great skilled engineers and is therefore better than Nissan using modern techniques, or it used modern techniques like Nissan, and therefore failed to produce skilled engineers (according to your own comment).
Seems you have argued against yourself there. Can't have it both ways Mr Savaloy. Either the carriageworks produced great skilled engineers and is therefore better than Nissan using modern techniques, or it used modern techniques like Nissan, and therefore failed to produce skilled engineers (according to your own comment). York Fox

9:15pm Mon 27 Jan 14

oi oi savaloy says...

York Fox wrote:
Seems you have argued against yourself there. Can't have it both ways Mr Savaloy. Either the carriageworks produced great skilled engineers and is therefore better than Nissan using modern techniques, or it used modern techniques like Nissan, and therefore failed to produce skilled engineers (according to your own comment).
Nissan is a "car plant", there is a vast difference in making cars to trains, i have worked in both area's, i was apprentice trained at the carriage works .. i have also worked on bus and coach and Scania trucks, also very different areas all using modern techniques, all different to Nissan. and i didn't say "it used modern techniques like Nissan" i think i said "it used up to date technology as it was introduced".. "assembling a car" is very different to "making a train"
[quote][p][bold]York Fox[/bold] wrote: Seems you have argued against yourself there. Can't have it both ways Mr Savaloy. Either the carriageworks produced great skilled engineers and is therefore better than Nissan using modern techniques, or it used modern techniques like Nissan, and therefore failed to produce skilled engineers (according to your own comment).[/p][/quote]Nissan is a "car plant", there is a vast difference in making cars to trains, i have worked in both area's, i was apprentice trained at the carriage works .. i have also worked on bus and coach and Scania trucks, also very different areas all using modern techniques, all different to Nissan. and i didn't say "it used modern techniques like Nissan" i think i said "it used up to date technology as it was introduced".. "assembling a car" is very different to "making a train" oi oi savaloy

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