It was wrong to quash

York Press: It was wrong to quash It was wrong to quash

THE environmental protesters who hi-jacked that coal train near Drax power station deserved to be punished for their acts –no way should their convictions have been quashed (The Press, January 21).

Stan Collymore should not go on Twitter and similar social media if he cannot take the criticisms and abuse he received.

The Liberal Democrat peer, Lord Rennard, should not have, as is alleged, flirted in an inappropriate way with women (if indeed he did so).

These and many more folk like them act in a manner that is stupid.

David Quarrie, Lynden Way, Holgate, York.

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10:49am Fri 24 Jan 14

The Great Buda says...

Of course it was right to quash them! The Police cannot be above the Law.
Of course it was right to quash them! The Police cannot be above the Law. The Great Buda
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11:13am Fri 24 Jan 14

CHISSY1 says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Of course it was right to quash them! The Police cannot be above the Law.
They broke the law.,it should not be quashed.Bone idle wasters who have nothing better to do with their time.I would not like to hazard a guess as to what their actions cost.The Police did nothing wrong.
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Of course it was right to quash them! The Police cannot be above the Law.[/p][/quote]They broke the law.,it should not be quashed.Bone idle wasters who have nothing better to do with their time.I would not like to hazard a guess as to what their actions cost.The Police did nothing wrong. CHISSY1
  • Score: -8

12:32pm Fri 24 Jan 14

mutley12321 says...

Hello David,

I'm unsure quite what society you wish to live?

In respect of the Drax protestors, they were cleared due to non-disclosure from the UK police force. It was clearly a miscarriage of justice. I rarely agree with the Great Buda – but he/she’s spot on.

Stan Collymore, despite his well known faults was racially abused and received death threats. I’m unsure why you consider it acceptable that any individual should stand by and idly accept this behaviour? Would you?

I do agree with your statement of “These and many more folk like them act in a manner that is stupid”. I respectfully suggest you start with yourself and consider whether your support of miscarriages of justice and racist behaviour is acceptable.
Hello David, I'm unsure quite what society you wish to live? In respect of the Drax protestors, they were cleared due to non-disclosure from the UK police force. It was clearly a miscarriage of justice. I rarely agree with the Great Buda – but he/she’s spot on. Stan Collymore, despite his well known faults was racially abused and received death threats. I’m unsure why you consider it acceptable that any individual should stand by and idly accept this behaviour? Would you? I do agree with your statement of “These and many more folk like them act in a manner that is stupid”. I respectfully suggest you start with yourself and consider whether your support of miscarriages of justice and racist behaviour is acceptable. mutley12321
  • Score: 11

12:43pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Anyone else Mr Quarrie? That bloke who lets his dog bark near your house when you're snoozing? That awful woman on Eastenders? Justin Bieber?

This sort of personal rant of preference belongs in the pub after a few pints not on the letters page.
Anyone else Mr Quarrie? That bloke who lets his dog bark near your house when you're snoozing? That awful woman on Eastenders? Justin Bieber? This sort of personal rant of preference belongs in the pub after a few pints not on the letters page. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 9

12:44pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Jonthan says...

If the sentences had not been quashed, then the police involved might well have been imprisoned at a new trial. Why? Because the undercover policeman PC Kennedy hired the car that carried the protestors to the site. He acted as an enabler. The judge Lord Thompson did not rule out the possibility that the police were the cause of the protest which would not have happened without their invilvement.

None of this was revealed at the original trial though the Prosecution service knwew about it. Hence loads of public dosh wasted.

And not for the first time. PC Kennedy's actions undercover led to the collapse in 2011 of the case against six protesters accused of planning to invade the coal-fired Ratcliffe-on-Soar power station. More public money squandered.
If the sentences had not been quashed, then the police involved might well have been imprisoned at a new trial. Why? Because the undercover policeman PC Kennedy hired the car that carried the protestors to the site. He acted as an enabler. The judge Lord Thompson did not rule out the possibility that the police were the cause of the protest which would not have happened without their invilvement. None of this was revealed at the original trial though the Prosecution service knwew about it. Hence loads of public dosh wasted. And not for the first time. PC Kennedy's actions undercover led to the collapse in 2011 of the case against six protesters accused of planning to invade the coal-fired Ratcliffe-on-Soar power station. More public money squandered. Jonthan
  • Score: 3

3:17pm Fri 24 Jan 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

I'll stick with what I know about most: Of course it was wrong to let off these Eco warriors. Even taking into account the Police miscalculation does not totally excuse them from what they did.
What did they do? They hijacked a train, they tried to close down the most important power station in the UK, putting lives in danger, they caused severe delays for other rail users. And they caused £37,000 worth of damage with their vandalism.
As said before, this is not the only instalation these morons have attacked in the UK and they also hijacked a BP fuel station while the Police stood by and marshalled the event. In the UK they just get away with it because it is all a part of the pathetic political agenda.

Is it only the Russians who know how to deal with these over idealistic wasters?
I'll stick with what I know about most: Of course it was wrong to let off these Eco warriors. Even taking into account the Police miscalculation does not totally excuse them from what they did. What did they do? They hijacked a train, they tried to close down the most important power station in the UK, putting lives in danger, they caused severe delays for other rail users. And they caused £37,000 worth of damage with their vandalism. As said before, this is not the only instalation these morons have attacked in the UK and they also hijacked a BP fuel station while the Police stood by and marshalled the event. In the UK they just get away with it because it is all a part of the pathetic political agenda. Is it only the Russians who know how to deal with these over idealistic wasters? ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 0

4:08pm Fri 24 Jan 14

mutley12321 says...

Hello Coldaschristmas.

Thanks for joining the debate.

I think your statement of “Police miscalculation?” is a gross understatement. I’m sure you’ve taken the opportunity to educate yourself and read on the Court of Appeal ruling? I’m sure you’re aware the original conviction was overturned, with Lord Chief Justice Lord Thomas, confirming "There was a complete and total failure, for reasons which remain unclear, to make a disclosure fundamental to the defence”. He also stated “This is a plain case of fault, either by the West Yorkshire Police or the CPS, so why shouldn't they pay?"

It seems abundantly clear; the only miscalculation made with this case (and others ) was made by the Police/CPS on how much their activity would cost us, the taxpayer?

It’s disappointing you feel the police are above the law; I however welcome the fact that they, like us all, can and are held to account in our courts for their actions.

One aspect you may be correct with is that Russian democracy may be more to your liking. I'll help you pack :)

Hope this helps.
Hello Coldaschristmas. Thanks for joining the debate. I think your statement of “Police miscalculation?” is a gross understatement. I’m sure you’ve taken the opportunity to educate yourself and read on the Court of Appeal ruling? I’m sure you’re aware the original conviction was overturned, with Lord Chief Justice Lord Thomas, confirming "There was a complete and total failure, for reasons which remain unclear, to make a disclosure fundamental to the defence”. He also stated “This is a plain case of fault, either by the West Yorkshire Police or the CPS, so why shouldn't they pay?" It seems abundantly clear; the only miscalculation made with this case (and others ) was made by the Police/CPS on how much their activity would cost us, the taxpayer? It’s disappointing you feel the police are above the law; I however welcome the fact that they, like us all, can and are held to account in our courts for their actions. One aspect you may be correct with is that Russian democracy may be more to your liking. I'll help you pack :) Hope this helps. mutley12321
  • Score: 4

7:52pm Fri 24 Jan 14

old_geezer says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Anyone else Mr Quarrie? That bloke who lets his dog bark near your house when you're snoozing? That awful woman on Eastenders? Justin Bieber? This sort of personal rant of preference belongs in the pub after a few pints not on the letters page.
Please, please, not in any pub near me. I could easily write a program to mimic Mr Q's indignations (sic), it wouldn't have to be very sophisticated to pass the Turing test!
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Anyone else Mr Quarrie? That bloke who lets his dog bark near your house when you're snoozing? That awful woman on Eastenders? Justin Bieber? This sort of personal rant of preference belongs in the pub after a few pints not on the letters page.[/p][/quote]Please, please, not in any pub near me. I could easily write a program to mimic Mr Q's indignations (sic), it wouldn't have to be very sophisticated to pass the Turing test! old_geezer
  • Score: 0

8:23pm Fri 24 Jan 14

gwen4me says...

I agree about the way the Russians handle protests. They don`t mess about, it`s tit for tat.
I agree about the way the Russians handle protests. They don`t mess about, it`s tit for tat. gwen4me
  • Score: 3

12:48am Sat 25 Jan 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

12321, I think you have read me wrong, except for the fact that the Russians did at least deal with these morons. It was barely Winter and they were moaning about freezing prison cells in Murmansk. Then have the cheek to tell us the Arctic is melting. No it is not!
Now, the Police were out of order, be in no doubt about that and more should have been done to offer punishment in their direction. But, these Eco warriors caused £37,000 worth of damage. I didn't see a Policeman shovelling coal out of the rolling stock onto the ground. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Perhaps you think trying to close down a power station isn't a crime because you think it is saving the planet. If that is the case then you are way off the mark. Don't try this in Russia!
12321, I think you have read me wrong, except for the fact that the Russians did at least deal with these morons. It was barely Winter and they were moaning about freezing prison cells in Murmansk. Then have the cheek to tell us the Arctic is melting. No it is not! Now, the Police were out of order, be in no doubt about that and more should have been done to offer punishment in their direction. But, these Eco warriors caused £37,000 worth of damage. I didn't see a Policeman shovelling coal out of the rolling stock onto the ground. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Perhaps you think trying to close down a power station isn't a crime because you think it is saving the planet. If that is the case then you are way off the mark. Don't try this in Russia! ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 1

1:46am Sat 25 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

The reasoning behind the quashing of the Drax protesters' sentances was that an undercover Police officer drove the minibus that took the protesters to the site where they hijacked the train, and that he was in fact delivering them to something he knew he could get them arrested for; the protesters (or rather their very convincing lawyer) stated that if they had known he was an undercover police officer they wouldn't have got in the minibus... well no sh*t sherlock! What the protesters were wanting is for the police to have written them a letter along the lines of:-
"dear hippies, we are your local police force and are here to serve the community. We are writing to inform you that as we believe you are about to commit criminal acts, we have provided an undercover officer to join your group. Should you have any questions or queries please contact us at 999. Yours Sincerely, the Police".

The whole point of undercover operations is for a police officer to be in a group without the group knowing about it so that the police have first-hand evidence of a crime being committed. When it comes to the crunch, the protesters still trespassed onto railway property, hijacked a train (which counts nowadays as an act of terrorism - sounds extreme, but it is), caused criminal damage to railway property, and had the potential to affect that national grid supply had Drax been in desperate need of that coal load.... and yet they're getting off scot free on a technicality. If you cannot see what is wrong with that then you are either an eco-protestor or need your head examining.
The reasoning behind the quashing of the Drax protesters' sentances was that an undercover Police officer drove the minibus that took the protesters to the site where they hijacked the train, and that he was in fact delivering them to something he knew he could get them arrested for; the protesters (or rather their very convincing lawyer) stated that if they had known he was an undercover police officer they wouldn't have got in the minibus... well no sh*t sherlock! What the protesters were wanting is for the police to have written them a letter along the lines of:- "dear hippies, we are your local police force and are here to serve the community. We are writing to inform you that as we believe you are about to commit criminal acts, we have provided an undercover officer to join your group. Should you have any questions or queries please contact us at 999. Yours Sincerely, the Police". The whole point of [i]undercover[/i] operations is for a police officer to be in a group [b]without the group knowing about it[/b] so that the police have first-hand evidence of a crime being committed. When it comes to the crunch, the protesters still trespassed onto railway property, hijacked a train (which counts nowadays as an act of terrorism - sounds extreme, but it is), caused criminal damage to railway property, and had the potential to affect that national grid supply had Drax been in desperate need of that coal load.... and yet they're getting off scot free on a technicality. If you cannot see what is wrong with that then you are either an eco-protestor or need your head examining. Magicman!
  • Score: 2

10:14am Sat 25 Jan 14

mutley12321 says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
12321, I think you have read me wrong, except for the fact that the Russians did at least deal with these morons. It was barely Winter and they were moaning about freezing prison cells in Murmansk. Then have the cheek to tell us the Arctic is melting. No it is not!
Now, the Police were out of order, be in no doubt about that and more should have been done to offer punishment in their direction. But, these Eco warriors caused £37,000 worth of damage. I didn't see a Policeman shovelling coal out of the rolling stock onto the ground. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Perhaps you think trying to close down a power station isn't a crime because you think it is saving the planet. If that is the case then you are way off the mark. Don't try this in Russia!
Hello Coldaschristmas.

I don't think I read your original post wrong at all, it came across as a right wing diatribe.

We agree on one part - if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. I'm happy to let our courts decide what's appropriate, and I'm pleased justice has prevailed in this case. What do you think should happen to the police who, as quoted in the Court of Appeal ruling were at fault??

Your last statement of "don't try this in Russia" is fairly emotive and lacks merit as (I'm assuming) you don't live there?
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: 12321, I think you have read me wrong, except for the fact that the Russians did at least deal with these morons. It was barely Winter and they were moaning about freezing prison cells in Murmansk. Then have the cheek to tell us the Arctic is melting. No it is not! Now, the Police were out of order, be in no doubt about that and more should have been done to offer punishment in their direction. But, these Eco warriors caused £37,000 worth of damage. I didn't see a Policeman shovelling coal out of the rolling stock onto the ground. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Perhaps you think trying to close down a power station isn't a crime because you think it is saving the planet. If that is the case then you are way off the mark. Don't try this in Russia![/p][/quote]Hello Coldaschristmas. I don't think I read your original post wrong at all, it came across as a right wing diatribe. We agree on one part - if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. I'm happy to let our courts decide what's appropriate, and I'm pleased justice has prevailed in this case. What do you think should happen to the police who, as quoted in the Court of Appeal ruling were at fault?? Your last statement of "don't try this in Russia" is fairly emotive and lacks merit as (I'm assuming) you don't live there? mutley12321
  • Score: 2

8:28am Sun 26 Jan 14

Igiveinthen says...

mutley12321 wrote:
ColdAsChristmas wrote:
12321, I think you have read me wrong, except for the fact that the Russians did at least deal with these morons. It was barely Winter and they were moaning about freezing prison cells in Murmansk. Then have the cheek to tell us the Arctic is melting. No it is not!
Now, the Police were out of order, be in no doubt about that and more should have been done to offer punishment in their direction. But, these Eco warriors caused £37,000 worth of damage. I didn't see a Policeman shovelling coal out of the rolling stock onto the ground. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Perhaps you think trying to close down a power station isn't a crime because you think it is saving the planet. If that is the case then you are way off the mark. Don't try this in Russia!
Hello Coldaschristmas.

I don't think I read your original post wrong at all, it came across as a right wing diatribe.

We agree on one part - if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. I'm happy to let our courts decide what's appropriate, and I'm pleased justice has prevailed in this case. What do you think should happen to the police who, as quoted in the Court of Appeal ruling were at fault??

Your last statement of "don't try this in Russia" is fairly emotive and lacks merit as (I'm assuming) you don't live there?
So court of appeal ruling that the police were at fault has allowed criminals to go unpunished.
These people who carry out these acts of deliberate law breaking have no sympathy in my book, whatever their supposed political view or cause.
The law enforcing authorities in my view go about their duty in trying to prevent people like these from committing crime, with one hand tied behind their back.
Having their crime quashed only encourages more of their type to carry out illegal acts, those who tried to board a Russian Gas platform must have had brown underwear, when they realised that they had come up against forces who would not stand by and let it happen.
They claim to act as a voice for the people, well not my voice, I would have jailed them, it's not right wing diatribe either, it's the voice of a law abiding citizen of this country!
[quote][p][bold]mutley12321[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: 12321, I think you have read me wrong, except for the fact that the Russians did at least deal with these morons. It was barely Winter and they were moaning about freezing prison cells in Murmansk. Then have the cheek to tell us the Arctic is melting. No it is not! Now, the Police were out of order, be in no doubt about that and more should have been done to offer punishment in their direction. But, these Eco warriors caused £37,000 worth of damage. I didn't see a Policeman shovelling coal out of the rolling stock onto the ground. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Perhaps you think trying to close down a power station isn't a crime because you think it is saving the planet. If that is the case then you are way off the mark. Don't try this in Russia![/p][/quote]Hello Coldaschristmas. I don't think I read your original post wrong at all, it came across as a right wing diatribe. We agree on one part - if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. I'm happy to let our courts decide what's appropriate, and I'm pleased justice has prevailed in this case. What do you think should happen to the police who, as quoted in the Court of Appeal ruling were at fault?? Your last statement of "don't try this in Russia" is fairly emotive and lacks merit as (I'm assuming) you don't live there?[/p][/quote]So court of appeal ruling that the police were at fault has allowed criminals to go unpunished. These people who carry out these acts of deliberate law breaking have no sympathy in my book, whatever their supposed political view or cause. The law enforcing authorities in my view go about their duty in trying to prevent people like these from committing crime, with one hand tied behind their back. Having their crime quashed only encourages more of their type to carry out illegal acts, those who tried to board a Russian Gas platform must have had brown underwear, when they realised that they had come up against forces who would not stand by and let it happen. They claim to act as a voice for the people, well not my voice, I would have jailed them, it's not right wing diatribe either, it's the voice of a law abiding citizen of this country! Igiveinthen
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