Poverty questions

York Press: Poverty questions Poverty questions

TRACEY Simpson-Laing says definitions of poverty are changing and that washing machines, fridges, mobile phones and internet are now essential household items (Letters, January 13).

I can appreciate this view but a starving individual in a third-world famine might disagree.

Could the deputy leader of the council now tell us whether 40 cigs a day, six cans of lager, widescreen sky television, junk-food takeaways and piercing on a tattooed body are also indispensable items for modern living? This is not an attack on the poor; nor is it demonisation of any group. It is a legitimate question.

Does Coun Simpson Laing believe the lack of these things constitutes a state of poverty? A straight yes or no will suffice.

Matthew Laverack, Lord Mayor’s Walk York.

 

• GRAEME Robertson states in his apology to Matthew Laverack that he had 63 letters published in last year’s Press. As a regular reader I’d like to say that it felt like an awful lot more.

Tony Eves, Margaret Philipson Court, Aldwark, York.

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10:20am Wed 22 Jan 14

CHISSY1 says...

To some people these are indispensable,at least thats what they say.
To some people these are indispensable,at least thats what they say. CHISSY1

10:35am Wed 22 Jan 14

The Great Buda says...

"This is not an attack on the poor; nor is it demonisation of any group. "

Thats quite funny, because thats exactly what it reads like.

What Mr Laverack seems to ignore is that most people claiming benefits are working. The tax payer is having to pick up the bill because private buisness refuse to pay their staff enough for them to live on. Hence a phrase has come into being which pours shame on our society: "the working poor".

...and yes Mr Eves, it does feel an awful lot more, sadly.
"This is not an attack on the poor; nor is it demonisation of any group. " Thats quite funny, because thats exactly what it reads like. What Mr Laverack seems to ignore is that most people claiming benefits are working. The tax payer is having to pick up the bill because private buisness refuse to pay their staff enough for them to live on. Hence a phrase has come into being which pours shame on our society: "the working poor". ...and yes Mr Eves, it does feel an awful lot more, sadly. The Great Buda

1:07pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Mulgrave says...

Being on the internet must save more than the cost of a basic broadband package now that even simple things like paper billing is a chargeable extra, and owning a washing machine will be cheaper than using a launderette, but anyone walking to a foodbank smoking a fag cannot be counted as genuinely in need of that service.
Being on the internet must save more than the cost of a basic broadband package now that even simple things like paper billing is a chargeable extra, and owning a washing machine will be cheaper than using a launderette, but anyone walking to a foodbank smoking a fag cannot be counted as genuinely in need of that service. Mulgrave

1:13pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has.
So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject?
He's doing himself quite a disservice.

And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence.

It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.
Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has. So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject? He's doing himself quite a disservice. And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence. It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably. Buzzz Light-year

3:29pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Sillybillies says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has.
So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject?
He's doing himself quite a disservice.

And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence.

It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.
On this and many other issues Mr Laverack has got it absolutely right. By coincidence there a news story on a related issue, see -

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/10954299
.Hundreds_stealing_t
o_survive_in_York/?a
ction=success
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has. So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject? He's doing himself quite a disservice. And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence. It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.[/p][/quote]On this and many other issues Mr Laverack has got it absolutely right. By coincidence there a news story on a related issue, see - http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/10954299 .Hundreds_stealing_t o_survive_in_York/?a ction=success Sillybillies

3:46pm Wed 22 Jan 14

The Great Buda says...

Sillybillies wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has.
So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject?
He's doing himself quite a disservice.

And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence.

It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.
On this and many other issues Mr Laverack has got it absolutely right. By coincidence there a news story on a related issue, see -

http://www.yorkpress

.co.uk/news/10954299

.Hundreds_stealing_t

o_survive_in_York/?a

ction=success
Wow, thats quite a leap of logic.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has. So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject? He's doing himself quite a disservice. And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence. It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.[/p][/quote]On this and many other issues Mr Laverack has got it absolutely right. By coincidence there a news story on a related issue, see - http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/10954299 .Hundreds_stealing_t o_survive_in_York/?a ction=success[/p][/quote]Wow, thats quite a leap of logic. The Great Buda

4:10pm Wed 22 Jan 14

non pedalling pete says...

Mathew Laverack for City of York council. I would vote for him.
He would be like a breath of fresh air in comparison to the stink
emanateing from the council offices atthe moment.
Mathew Laverack for City of York council. I would vote for him. He would be like a breath of fresh air in comparison to the stink emanateing from the council offices atthe moment. non pedalling pete

5:43pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Rocking Horse says...

Mr Eves will no doubt be sad to learn that there will be many more letters from Mr Laverack !

I note that Mr Eves lives in social housing that was built by a York building firm I was a Director of at the time (Margaret Philipson Court built 1985/6). Sadly that firm like many others in York is no longer in businerss, which is one of many issues Mr Laverack has valid views on.
Mr Eves will no doubt be sad to learn that there will be many more letters from Mr Laverack ! I note that Mr Eves lives in social housing that was built by a York building firm I was a Director of at the time (Margaret Philipson Court built 1985/6). Sadly that firm like many others in York is no longer in businerss, which is one of many issues Mr Laverack has valid views on. Rocking Horse

5:43pm Wed 22 Jan 14

tonyfromitaly says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has.
So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject?
He's doing himself quite a disservice.

And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence.

It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.
I have read many of the varied comments made by Buzz on most every subject going. Truly he is a man of many subjects. He is quite right about prejudice clouding reason. He is a martyr to it.
I recall an old Italian folk saying........."The empty tomato can rattles most"
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has. So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject? He's doing himself quite a disservice. And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence. It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.[/p][/quote]I have read many of the varied comments made by Buzz on most every subject going. Truly he is a man of many subjects. He is quite right about prejudice clouding reason. He is a martyr to it. I recall an old Italian folk saying........."The empty tomato can rattles most" tonyfromitaly

5:51pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Rocking Horse says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has. So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject? He's doing himself quite a disservice. And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence. It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.
Quite so, Matthew is highly intelligent, a very successful York-born businessman, who has done a lot for his city, and many charities.

Those who attack and criticise him, do so out of prejudice, malice and jealousy, but, many others recognise that he is a kind, generous, thoughtful man, who has a growing band of supporters in York.

To use one of York's esteemed leader's sayings;

'Nothing about us without us'
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has. So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject? He's doing himself quite a disservice. And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence. It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.[/p][/quote]Quite so, Matthew is highly intelligent, a very successful York-born businessman, who has done a lot for his city, and many charities. Those who attack and criticise him, do so out of prejudice, malice and jealousy, but, many others recognise that he is a kind, generous, thoughtful man, who has a growing band of supporters in York. To use one of York's esteemed leader's sayings; 'Nothing about us without us' Rocking Horse

6:08pm Wed 22 Jan 14

CaroleBaines says...

It is not a legitimate question, Mr Laverack, it is sneering at the poor and those who through no fault of their own have lost their job or become too ill to work. Making a cheap point, meanwhile, using the starving of the third world is simply beyond the pale.

My mother worked all her life and then had a massive stroke before she retired. She died without regaining consciousness, but had she lived and been severely disabled, then what? Is Mr Laverack really suggesting her fate should have been a subsistence just above starvation level with no money to pay for those needs that serious illness brings?

For most benefit are a security net for when things go badly wrong. Most people on them have paid into them. They deserve help.
It is not a legitimate question, Mr Laverack, it is sneering at the poor and those who through no fault of their own have lost their job or become too ill to work. Making a cheap point, meanwhile, using the starving of the third world is simply beyond the pale. My mother worked all her life and then had a massive stroke before she retired. She died without regaining consciousness, but had she lived and been severely disabled, then what? Is Mr Laverack really suggesting her fate should have been a subsistence just above starvation level with no money to pay for those needs that serious illness brings? For most benefit are a security net for when things go badly wrong. Most people on them have paid into them. They deserve help. CaroleBaines

7:35pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Rocking Horse wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has. So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject? He's doing himself quite a disservice. And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence. It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.
Quite so, Matthew is highly intelligent, a very successful York-born businessman, who has done a lot for his city, and many charities.

Those who attack and criticise him, do so out of prejudice, malice and jealousy, but, many others recognise that he is a kind, generous, thoughtful man, who has a growing band of supporters in York.

To use one of York's esteemed leader's sayings;

'Nothing about us without us'
Rocking Horse wrote:
Quite so, Matthew is highly intelligent, a very successful York-born businessman,

So I ask again - why is he doing himself such a disservice with these simplistic letters which make him look so uninformed and hateful?

Those who attack and criticise him, do so out of prejudice, malice and jealousy, but, many others recognise that he is a kind, generous, thoughtful man, who has a growing band of supporters in York.

For the millionth time, criticising a point of view is NOT attacking the man. No malice or jealousy at all... perhaps a little incredulity at the desire to present a public face of prejudice.

Well never mind he has his little Smithers working tirelessly for him, he'll be ok.
[quote][p][bold]Rocking Horse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has. So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject? He's doing himself quite a disservice. And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence. It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.[/p][/quote]Quite so, Matthew is highly intelligent, a very successful York-born businessman, who has done a lot for his city, and many charities. Those who attack and criticise him, do so out of prejudice, malice and jealousy, but, many others recognise that he is a kind, generous, thoughtful man, who has a growing band of supporters in York. To use one of York's esteemed leader's sayings; 'Nothing about us without us'[/p][/quote][quote]Rocking Horse wrote: Quite so, Matthew is highly intelligent, a very successful York-born businessman, [/quote] So I ask again - why is he doing himself such a disservice with these simplistic letters which make him look so uninformed and hateful? [quote]Those who attack and criticise him, do so out of prejudice, malice and jealousy, but, many others recognise that he is a kind, generous, thoughtful man, who has a growing band of supporters in York.[/quote] For the millionth time, criticising a point of view is NOT attacking the man. No malice or jealousy at all... perhaps a little incredulity at the desire to present a public face of prejudice. Well never mind he has his little Smithers working tirelessly for him, he'll be ok. Buzzz Light-year

7:39pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

tonyfromitaly wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has.
So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject?
He's doing himself quite a disservice.

And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence.

It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.
I have read many of the varied comments made by Buzz on most every subject going. Truly he is a man of many subjects. He is quite right about prejudice clouding reason. He is a martyr to it.
I recall an old Italian folk saying.........&quot
;The empty tomato can rattles most"
It's no surprise that the web commentator with the most in-print letters page mentions is going to attract all manner of kooks and wannabes. Fire away, paisano.
I'll still be here when you've got bored and given up.
[quote][p][bold]tonyfromitaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has. So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject? He's doing himself quite a disservice. And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence. It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.[/p][/quote]I have read many of the varied comments made by Buzz on most every subject going. Truly he is a man of many subjects. He is quite right about prejudice clouding reason. He is a martyr to it. I recall an old Italian folk saying........." ;The empty tomato can rattles most"[/p][/quote]It's no surprise that the web commentator with the most in-print letters page mentions is going to attract all manner of kooks and wannabes. Fire away, paisano. I'll still be here when you've got bored and given up. Buzzz Light-year

11:05pm Wed 22 Jan 14

tonyfromitaly says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
tonyfromitaly wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has.
So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject?
He's doing himself quite a disservice.

And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence.

It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.
I have read many of the varied comments made by Buzz on most every subject going. Truly he is a man of many subjects. He is quite right about prejudice clouding reason. He is a martyr to it.
I recall an old Italian folk saying.........&quot
;
;The empty tomato can rattles most"
It's no surprise that the web commentator with the most in-print letters page mentions is going to attract all manner of kooks and wannabes. Fire away, paisano.
I'll still be here when you've got bored and given up.
I have no axe to grind anywhere , I speak as i see. You bring every subject going into this domain.
If you were Aristotle or Homer I would take notice of your bizarre and vitriolic comments. But you are Buzz .
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyfromitaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has. So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject? He's doing himself quite a disservice. And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence. It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.[/p][/quote]I have read many of the varied comments made by Buzz on most every subject going. Truly he is a man of many subjects. He is quite right about prejudice clouding reason. He is a martyr to it. I recall an old Italian folk saying........." ; ;The empty tomato can rattles most"[/p][/quote]It's no surprise that the web commentator with the most in-print letters page mentions is going to attract all manner of kooks and wannabes. Fire away, paisano. I'll still be here when you've got bored and given up.[/p][/quote]I have no axe to grind anywhere , I speak as i see. You bring every subject going into this domain. If you were Aristotle or Homer I would take notice of your bizarre and vitriolic comments. But you are Buzz . tonyfromitaly

1:00am Thu 23 Jan 14

Rocking Horse says...

tonyfromitaly wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
tonyfromitaly wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote: Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has. So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject? He's doing himself quite a disservice. And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence. It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.
I have read many of the varied comments made by Buzz on most every subject going. Truly he is a man of many subjects. He is quite right about prejudice clouding reason. He is a martyr to it. I recall an old Italian folk saying.........&quot
; ; ;The empty tomato can rattles most"
It's no surprise that the web commentator with the most in-print letters page mentions is going to attract all manner of kooks and wannabes. Fire away, paisano. I'll still be here when you've got bored and given up.
I have no axe to grind anywhere , I speak as i see. You bring every subject going into this domain. If you were Aristotle or Homer I would take notice of your bizarre and vitriolic comments. But you are Buzz .
Who is he ?

Exactly !
[quote][p][bold]tonyfromitaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyfromitaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has. So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject? He's doing himself quite a disservice. And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence. It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.[/p][/quote]I have read many of the varied comments made by Buzz on most every subject going. Truly he is a man of many subjects. He is quite right about prejudice clouding reason. He is a martyr to it. I recall an old Italian folk saying........." ; ; ;The empty tomato can rattles most"[/p][/quote]It's no surprise that the web commentator with the most in-print letters page mentions is going to attract all manner of kooks and wannabes. Fire away, paisano. I'll still be here when you've got bored and given up.[/p][/quote]I have no axe to grind anywhere , I speak as i see. You bring every subject going into this domain. If you were Aristotle or Homer I would take notice of your bizarre and vitriolic comments. But you are Buzz .[/p][/quote]Who is he ? Exactly ! Rocking Horse

1:08am Thu 23 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

Mulgrave wrote:
Being on the internet must save more than the cost of a basic broadband package now that even simple things like paper billing is a chargeable extra, and owning a washing machine will be cheaper than using a launderette, but anyone walking to a foodbank smoking a fag cannot be counted as genuinely in need of that service.
I would agree with that. The problem is that such people can't see the wood for the trees in such cases, in that packing in the fags would give a significant portion more money for food or heating.
[quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: Being on the internet must save more than the cost of a basic broadband package now that even simple things like paper billing is a chargeable extra, and owning a washing machine will be cheaper than using a launderette, but anyone walking to a foodbank smoking a fag cannot be counted as genuinely in need of that service.[/p][/quote]I would agree with that. The problem is that such people can't see the wood for the trees in such cases, in that packing in the fags would give a significant portion more money for food or heating. Magicman!

1:10am Thu 23 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Sillybillies wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has.
So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject?
He's doing himself quite a disservice.

And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence.

It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.
On this and many other issues Mr Laverack has got it absolutely right. By coincidence there a news story on a related issue, see -

http://www.yorkpress


.co.uk/news/10954299


.Hundreds_stealing_t


o_survive_in_York/?a


ction=success
Wow, thats quite a leap of logic.
mmm, well look where that 'leap of logic' comes from. To be honest, you could change the posters' name to CHISSY1 and nobody would see any difference in the content!
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has. So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject? He's doing himself quite a disservice. And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence. It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.[/p][/quote]On this and many other issues Mr Laverack has got it absolutely right. By coincidence there a news story on a related issue, see - http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/10954299 .Hundreds_stealing_t o_survive_in_York/?a ction=success[/p][/quote]Wow, thats quite a leap of logic.[/p][/quote]mmm, well look where that 'leap of logic' comes from. To be honest, you could change the posters' name to CHISSY1 and nobody would see any difference in the content! Magicman!

8:28am Thu 23 Jan 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

tonyfromitaly wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
tonyfromitaly wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has.
So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject?
He's doing himself quite a disservice.

And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence.

It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.
I have read many of the varied comments made by Buzz on most every subject going. Truly he is a man of many subjects. He is quite right about prejudice clouding reason. He is a martyr to it.
I recall an old Italian folk saying.........&quot
;
;
;The empty tomato can rattles most"
It's no surprise that the web commentator with the most in-print letters page mentions is going to attract all manner of kooks and wannabes. Fire away, paisano.
I'll still be here when you've got bored and given up.
I have no axe to grind anywhere , I speak as i see. You bring every subject going into this domain.
If you were Aristotle or Homer I would take notice of your bizarre and vitriolic comments. But you are Buzz .
Quote me vitriolic.
[quote][p][bold]tonyfromitaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonyfromitaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has. So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject? He's doing himself quite a disservice. And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence. It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.[/p][/quote]I have read many of the varied comments made by Buzz on most every subject going. Truly he is a man of many subjects. He is quite right about prejudice clouding reason. He is a martyr to it. I recall an old Italian folk saying........." ; ; ;The empty tomato can rattles most"[/p][/quote]It's no surprise that the web commentator with the most in-print letters page mentions is going to attract all manner of kooks and wannabes. Fire away, paisano. I'll still be here when you've got bored and given up.[/p][/quote]I have no axe to grind anywhere , I speak as i see. You bring every subject going into this domain. If you were Aristotle or Homer I would take notice of your bizarre and vitriolic comments. But you are Buzz .[/p][/quote]Quote me vitriolic. Buzzz Light-year

10:42am Thu 23 Jan 14

The Great Buda says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
It is not a legitimate question, Mr Laverack, it is sneering at the poor and those who through no fault of their own have lost their job or become too ill to work. Making a cheap point, meanwhile, using the starving of the third world is simply beyond the pale.

My mother worked all her life and then had a massive stroke before she retired. She died without regaining consciousness, but had she lived and been severely disabled, then what? Is Mr Laverack really suggesting her fate should have been a subsistence just above starvation level with no money to pay for those needs that serious illness brings?

For most benefit are a security net for when things go badly wrong. Most people on them have paid into them. They deserve help.
FAO "rockinghorse" please read Caroles reply; and understand it.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: It is not a legitimate question, Mr Laverack, it is sneering at the poor and those who through no fault of their own have lost their job or become too ill to work. Making a cheap point, meanwhile, using the starving of the third world is simply beyond the pale. My mother worked all her life and then had a massive stroke before she retired. She died without regaining consciousness, but had she lived and been severely disabled, then what? Is Mr Laverack really suggesting her fate should have been a subsistence just above starvation level with no money to pay for those needs that serious illness brings? For most benefit are a security net for when things go badly wrong. Most people on them have paid into them. They deserve help.[/p][/quote]FAO "rockinghorse" please read Caroles reply; and understand it. The Great Buda

10:44am Thu 23 Jan 14

sounds weird but says...

"This is not an attack on the poor; nor is it demonisation of any group. It is a legitimate question"

It is an out of context question; put forward in a very black and white way.
"This is not an attack on the poor; nor is it demonisation of any group. It is a legitimate question" It is an out of context question; put forward in a very black and white way. sounds weird but

10:44am Thu 23 Jan 14

The Great Buda says...

Magicman! wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
Sillybillies wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has.
So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject?
He's doing himself quite a disservice.

And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence.

It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.
On this and many other issues Mr Laverack has got it absolutely right. By coincidence there a news story on a related issue, see -

http://www.yorkpress



.co.uk/news/10954299



.Hundreds_stealing_t



o_survive_in_York/?a



ction=success
Wow, thats quite a leap of logic.
mmm, well look where that 'leap of logic' comes from. To be honest, you could change the posters' name to CHISSY1 and nobody would see any difference in the content!
Well yes, thats quite true.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Mr Laverack is by no means an unintelligent man. He can't be or he wouldn't have achieved the position in life that he has. So why does he keep churning out these simplistic, stupid sounding letters on this subject? He's doing himself quite a disservice. And no matter how many times commentators here and letters page correspondents try to help and explain the many and varied facets of poverty and just how narrow and simplistic he is being, Mr L chooses to ignore them. Or he takes personal offence. It's well known that prejudice can often cloud the ability to think reasonably.[/p][/quote]On this and many other issues Mr Laverack has got it absolutely right. By coincidence there a news story on a related issue, see - http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/10954299 .Hundreds_stealing_t o_survive_in_York/?a ction=success[/p][/quote]Wow, thats quite a leap of logic.[/p][/quote]mmm, well look where that 'leap of logic' comes from. To be honest, you could change the posters' name to CHISSY1 and nobody would see any difference in the content![/p][/quote]Well yes, thats quite true. The Great Buda

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