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I HAVE just paid a £30 fine imposed by City of York Council for crossing Lendal Bridge, joining thousands of others who have incurred the wrath of York’s traffic restrictions.

As a visitor/tourist to the city, I have lost £30 and the city has gained £30, less the costs incurred (administration and fees from the Northampton-based collection company).

Along with past letter writers to The Press, I will endeavour not to return to York and will advise others to do the same.

I appealed against my penalty notice – it was turned down. The appeal rested on the fact that, as a visitor, I relied on the Visit York booklet map of the city.

This notes restrictions to traffic in the small streets of the city centre, but notes no such restrictions on Lendal Bridge.

One can only hope that this “cash cow” offsets the loss of revenue from the dip in numbers of future visitors to York, put off by the unwelcoming and dogmatic administration in the city.

David H Williams, Cardiff.

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1:34pm Thu 16 Jan 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Alexander out, you give us a bad name around the country with your scam!
Little wonder we are in the top 5 in the latest cr*p towns guide, and that is just for the people who have to live here.
We want our City back.
Alexander out, you give us a bad name around the country with your scam! Little wonder we are in the top 5 in the latest cr*p towns guide, and that is just for the people who have to live here. We want our City back. ColdAsChristmas

1:47pm Thu 16 Jan 14

The Great Buda says...

Could be worse, could be in Car hating Cardiff:

http://www.walesonli
ne.co.uk/news/local-
news/cardiffs-motori
sts-face-crackdown-d
riving-4803135
Could be worse, could be in Car hating Cardiff: http://www.walesonli ne.co.uk/news/local- news/cardiffs-motori sts-face-crackdown-d riving-4803135 The Great Buda

3:53pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Jonthan says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Alexander out, you give us a bad name around the country with your scam!
Little wonder we are in the top 5 in the latest cr*p towns guide, and that is just for the people who have to live here.
We want our City back.
As Cold as knows very well (because I have told him twice before) The C8rap Town guide was a spoof.
Mind you ColdAs has a penchant for spoof and nerdy climate denial sites, at least he is consistent.

Interesting though, that he chooses to chooses to attack the Council by denigrating our City
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Alexander out, you give us a bad name around the country with your scam! Little wonder we are in the top 5 in the latest cr*p towns guide, and that is just for the people who have to live here. We want our City back.[/p][/quote]As Cold as knows very well (because I have told him twice before) The C8rap Town guide was a spoof. Mind you ColdAs has a penchant for spoof and nerdy climate denial sites, at least he is consistent. Interesting though, that he chooses to chooses to attack the Council by denigrating our City Jonthan

4:06pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Lunatic says...

I'm against the bridge closure. But I'm sorry, if you didn't see the huge white solid line and numerous "Restricted Access" and "Bus Lane" markings painted onto the road then you were driving without due care and attention.

That's dangerous. and York could do with fewer drivers like that.
I'm against the bridge closure. But I'm sorry, if you didn't see the huge white solid line and numerous "Restricted Access" and "Bus Lane" markings painted onto the road then you were driving without due care and attention. That's dangerous. and York could do with fewer drivers like that. Lunatic

4:12pm Thu 16 Jan 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Jonthan, I want our City back as a place to be proud of, not one with visitors writing in on a regular basis on how they have been scammed by the City Council and not coming back again. Call that a 'spoof if you like. I suppose Antarctica and North America freezing up at the same time was a spoof too?
And then you call me a denier !!!!
I'll continue to say it as it is, shame you can't do the same.
Jonthan, I want our City back as a place to be proud of, not one with visitors writing in on a regular basis on how they have been scammed by the City Council and not coming back again. Call that a 'spoof if you like. I suppose Antarctica and North America freezing up at the same time was a spoof too? And then you call me a denier !!!! I'll continue to say it as it is, shame you can't do the same. ColdAsChristmas

4:20pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Sillybillies says...

Crap Towns produces its list based on interviews with members of the public, taking in house prices, crime statistics, transport and what it calls unbearable snobbery.

Crap Towns: The top 10

1 London
2 Bradford
3 Chipping Norton
4 Southampton
5 York
6 Gibraltar (technically a British Overseas Territory and not part of the UK)
7 Coventry
8 Nuneaton
9 High Wycombe
10 Stoke-on-Trent


http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Crap_Towns
[quote]Crap Towns produces its list based on interviews with members of the public, taking in house prices, crime statistics, transport and what it calls unbearable snobbery. Crap Towns: The top 10 1 London 2 Bradford 3 Chipping Norton 4 Southampton 5 York 6 Gibraltar (technically a British Overseas Territory and not part of the UK) 7 Coventry 8 Nuneaton 9 High Wycombe 10 Stoke-on-Trent[/quote] http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Crap_Towns Sillybillies

4:33pm Thu 16 Jan 14

j.clarke says...

The whole Lendal bridge closure is getting boring now. It's closed to normal road users 10:30-5, signs are in place all over the city and it is looking like a permanent plan the council have in place. MOVE ON!
The whole Lendal bridge closure is getting boring now. It's closed to normal road users 10:30-5, signs are in place all over the city and it is looking like a permanent plan the council have in place. MOVE ON! j.clarke

5:05pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Eborwatch says...

I am now very bored with two long running issues which, it seems, are beyond control. 1. Plebgate and 2 Lendalbridgegate. A change of leadership both centrally and locally may brighten our future.
I am now very bored with two long running issues which, it seems, are beyond control. 1. Plebgate and 2 Lendalbridgegate. A change of leadership both centrally and locally may brighten our future. Eborwatch

5:21pm Thu 16 Jan 14

rattydriver says...

Don't bother coming back, you can't see past your steering wheel to see the signs that say restricted access! Moron
Don't bother coming back, you can't see past your steering wheel to see the signs that say restricted access! Moron rattydriver

5:45pm Thu 16 Jan 14

cityofyork@msn.com says...

Just fed up now of these moronic dickheads who can't see or read the signs!!
Just fed up now of these moronic dickheads who can't see or read the signs!! cityofyork@msn.com

5:58pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Bigwood says...

For every moaning tourist theres probably 100,000 tourists happy to return to the city and happy to encourage others to do so. One drainer who can't follow road signs whinging about a fine is a total non story.
For every moaning tourist theres probably 100,000 tourists happy to return to the city and happy to encourage others to do so. One drainer who can't follow road signs whinging about a fine is a total non story. Bigwood

7:11pm Thu 16 Jan 14

mutley12321 says...

Jonthan wrote:
ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Alexander out, you give us a bad name around the country with your scam!
Little wonder we are in the top 5 in the latest cr*p towns guide, and that is just for the people who have to live here.
We want our City back.
As Cold as knows very well (because I have told him twice before) The C8rap Town guide was a spoof.
Mind you ColdAs has a penchant for spoof and nerdy climate denial sites, at least he is consistent.

Interesting though, that he chooses to chooses to attack the Council by denigrating our City
Hello Jonthan,

"he chooses to attack the council by denigrating our City". Really? Where does Mr Williams in anyway condemn the city of York?
[quote][p][bold]Jonthan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Alexander out, you give us a bad name around the country with your scam! Little wonder we are in the top 5 in the latest cr*p towns guide, and that is just for the people who have to live here. We want our City back.[/p][/quote]As Cold as knows very well (because I have told him twice before) The C8rap Town guide was a spoof. Mind you ColdAs has a penchant for spoof and nerdy climate denial sites, at least he is consistent. Interesting though, that he chooses to chooses to attack the Council by denigrating our City[/p][/quote]Hello Jonthan, "he chooses to attack the council by denigrating our City". Really? Where does Mr Williams in anyway condemn the city of York? mutley12321

7:16pm Thu 16 Jan 14

mutley12321 says...

j.clarke wrote:
The whole Lendal bridge closure is getting boring now. It's closed to normal road users 10:30-5, signs are in place all over the city and it is looking like a permanent plan the council have in place. MOVE ON!
Hello J.

I think you've hit the nail on the head (mostly anyway). It does look like a permanent plan; any suggestion of consultation seems irrelevant as you're probably correct a decision has been (unfairly) made.

That said, there are some previous points which deserve consideration and merit. Again, you're correct that there are signs all over the city - however do you really think over 40000 people wilfully ignored these signs or is there an argument that some of these signs are unfair and/or poorly placed?
[quote][p][bold]j.clarke[/bold] wrote: The whole Lendal bridge closure is getting boring now. It's closed to normal road users 10:30-5, signs are in place all over the city and it is looking like a permanent plan the council have in place. MOVE ON![/p][/quote]Hello J. I think you've hit the nail on the head (mostly anyway). It does look like a permanent plan; any suggestion of consultation seems irrelevant as you're probably correct a decision has been (unfairly) made. That said, there are some previous points which deserve consideration and merit. Again, you're correct that there are signs all over the city - however do you really think over 40000 people wilfully ignored these signs or is there an argument that some of these signs are unfair and/or poorly placed? mutley12321

8:47pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Silver says...

mutley12321 wrote:
j.clarke wrote:
The whole Lendal bridge closure is getting boring now. It's closed to normal road users 10:30-5, signs are in place all over the city and it is looking like a permanent plan the council have in place. MOVE ON!
Hello J.

I think you've hit the nail on the head (mostly anyway). It does look like a permanent plan; any suggestion of consultation seems irrelevant as you're probably correct a decision has been (unfairly) made.

That said, there are some previous points which deserve consideration and merit. Again, you're correct that there are signs all over the city - however do you really think over 40000 people wilfully ignored these signs or is there an argument that some of these signs are unfair and/or poorly placed?
The one outside St Leonards theatre that is hidden by buses is very unfairly placed.
[quote][p][bold]mutley12321[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j.clarke[/bold] wrote: The whole Lendal bridge closure is getting boring now. It's closed to normal road users 10:30-5, signs are in place all over the city and it is looking like a permanent plan the council have in place. MOVE ON![/p][/quote]Hello J. I think you've hit the nail on the head (mostly anyway). It does look like a permanent plan; any suggestion of consultation seems irrelevant as you're probably correct a decision has been (unfairly) made. That said, there are some previous points which deserve consideration and merit. Again, you're correct that there are signs all over the city - however do you really think over 40000 people wilfully ignored these signs or is there an argument that some of these signs are unfair and/or poorly placed?[/p][/quote]The one outside St Leonards theatre that is hidden by buses is very unfairly placed. Silver

8:54pm Thu 16 Jan 14

wallman says...

At least the signs were up before the closure happened not what happened at Coppergate when the signs went up on the Weds after the 7am clorues started
At least the signs were up before the closure happened not what happened at Coppergate when the signs went up on the Weds after the 7am clorues started wallman

9:06pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Pinza-C55 says...

mutley12321 wrote:
j.clarke wrote:
The whole Lendal bridge closure is getting boring now. It's closed to normal road users 10:30-5, signs are in place all over the city and it is looking like a permanent plan the council have in place. MOVE ON!
Hello J.

I think you've hit the nail on the head (mostly anyway). It does look like a permanent plan; any suggestion of consultation seems irrelevant as you're probably correct a decision has been (unfairly) made.

That said, there are some previous points which deserve consideration and merit. Again, you're correct that there are signs all over the city - however do you really think over 40000 people wilfully ignored these signs or is there an argument that some of these signs are unfair and/or poorly placed?
"however do you really think over 40000 people wilfully ignored these signs "

The late George Carlin said "think of how stupid the average person is, then realise half of them are stupider than that".
[quote][p][bold]mutley12321[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j.clarke[/bold] wrote: The whole Lendal bridge closure is getting boring now. It's closed to normal road users 10:30-5, signs are in place all over the city and it is looking like a permanent plan the council have in place. MOVE ON![/p][/quote]Hello J. I think you've hit the nail on the head (mostly anyway). It does look like a permanent plan; any suggestion of consultation seems irrelevant as you're probably correct a decision has been (unfairly) made. That said, there are some previous points which deserve consideration and merit. Again, you're correct that there are signs all over the city - however do you really think over 40000 people wilfully ignored these signs or is there an argument that some of these signs are unfair and/or poorly placed?[/p][/quote]"however do you really think over 40000 people wilfully ignored these signs " The late George Carlin said "think of how stupid the average person is, then realise half of them are stupider than that". Pinza-C55

1:38am Fri 17 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

I like Cardiff's ideas of using cameras fitted to buses like mobile CCTV for enforcement of bus lanes, yellow box junctions etc.... the only people who'd disagree with it are people who like driving in bus lanes and occupying yellow boxes or parking on double yellow lines because they have some sort of ego that makes them think they're more important than everybody else.

The Lendal Bridge situation is now getting boring and tedious. If you can't see yellow-backed signs on lamp posts both sides of the road (museum street) or the big thick white line on the road and the words BUS LANE (station avenue), then perhaps it is best you don't return to York, as you obviously are not a good driver because you can't read signs and so you returning to York would be dangerous for every other road user in the city. If you were visiting york for the day from somewhere south of the city, there is a perfectly good Park and Ride site at Askham Bar, park the car there and let a Firstgroup chaffeur drive you in his big silver Mercedes into the city centre!!
I like Cardiff's ideas of using cameras fitted to buses like mobile CCTV for enforcement of bus lanes, yellow box junctions etc.... the only people who'd disagree with it are people who like driving in bus lanes and occupying yellow boxes or parking on double yellow lines because they have some sort of ego that makes them think they're more important than everybody else. The Lendal Bridge situation is now getting boring and tedious. If you can't see yellow-backed signs on lamp posts both sides of the road (museum street) or the big thick white line on the road and the words BUS LANE (station avenue), then perhaps it is best you don't return to York, as you obviously are not a good driver because you can't read signs and so you returning to York would be dangerous for every other road user in the city. If you were visiting york for the day from somewhere south of the city, there is a perfectly good Park and Ride site at Askham Bar, park the car there and let a Firstgroup chaffeur drive you in his big silver Mercedes into the city centre!! Magicman!

8:30am Fri 17 Jan 14

cityman29 says...

Use your eyes, there's plenty of signs warning about the restrictions. This is becoming boring now
Use your eyes, there's plenty of signs warning about the restrictions. This is becoming boring now cityman29

9:41am Fri 17 Jan 14

Dontfleecethetourists says...

Tourist (t) Where is lendal bridge? Has anyone bothered to put a sign up naming lendal bridge yet?

Yorkist (Y)Oh! So you're a tourist? That's ok then . We aren't going to tell you. We expect you to know.

Kerchiiiiing!

(Y) That'll be £30 please for your unforgettable souvenir of our lovely city!


(T) thanks mate! Have a nice day to you too!
Tourist (t) Where is lendal bridge? Has anyone bothered to put a sign up naming lendal bridge yet? Yorkist (Y)Oh! So you're a tourist? That's ok then . We aren't going to tell you. We expect you to know. Kerchiiiiing! (Y) That'll be £30 please for your unforgettable souvenir of our lovely city! (T) thanks mate! Have a nice day to you too! Dontfleecethetourists

11:43am Fri 17 Jan 14

Tim Cronin says...

I went to Wales once, but never again, as all their road signs and signs in General seemed to be completely made up of graffiti. I couldn't understand why all the signs were unreadable, and we were distinctly put off from ever returning. They were totally made up from consonants???
I went to Wales once, but never again, as all their road signs and signs in General seemed to be completely made up of graffiti. I couldn't understand why all the signs were unreadable, and we were distinctly put off from ever returning. They were totally made up from consonants??? Tim Cronin

2:39pm Fri 17 Jan 14

readbeforeyouprint says...

Whether the closure is right or wrong, whether you think the council is anti- motorist or not, or whether you're just sick of the whole thing, the bottom line has to be that:
"Failing to comply with road traffic signs is dealt with under section 36 of The Road Traffic Act 1988. In most cases failure to observe a road sign will, on conviction, result in a fine of up to £1,000."

Now if you think CYC are coining it in, wait until North Yorkshire Police cotton on...
Whether the closure is right or wrong, whether you think the council is anti- motorist or not, or whether you're just sick of the whole thing, the bottom line has to be that: "Failing to comply with road traffic signs is dealt with under section 36 of The Road Traffic Act 1988. In most cases failure to observe a road sign will, on conviction, result in a fine of up to £1,000." Now if you think CYC are coining it in, wait until North Yorkshire Police cotton on... readbeforeyouprint

8:16pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Wiggles says...

Dontfleecethetourist
s
wrote:
Tourist (t) Where is lendal bridge? Has anyone bothered to put a sign up naming lendal bridge yet?

Yorkist (Y)Oh! So you're a tourist? That's ok then . We aren't going to tell you. We expect you to know.

Kerchiiiiing!

(Y) That'll be £30 please for your unforgettable souvenir of our lovely city!


(T) thanks mate! Have a nice day to you too!
Whilst I am not in agreement with the closure it is not difficult to find an alternative route. It is getting very boring listening to all the people bleating about getting fined for driving over Lendal Bridge whether they know that it is Lendal Bridge or not - why should tourists be any less liable for a fine than anyone else - when I am driving in an unfamiliar town I pay more attention to sinage and if I mis-read a sign then I only have myself to blame - to say there is not enough warnings is just plain stupid - travelling round from the station there are 2 BUS LANE signs on the road along with another high level sign stating prohibited access - travelling from Gillygate there is sinage stating that unless you are a bus or a taxi you need to turn right - granted I am not sure what sinage there is if you are approaching from Bootham as I never use this route but if you intend to travel to a city you are not familiar with it would be wise to do a little research - quit whinging and throwing your teddy out of the pram - stamping your feet and saying you will not return is pathetic - for everyone saying they won't be returning there will be a queue of people that will
[quote][p][bold]Dontfleecethetourist s[/bold] wrote: Tourist (t) Where is lendal bridge? Has anyone bothered to put a sign up naming lendal bridge yet? Yorkist (Y)Oh! So you're a tourist? That's ok then . We aren't going to tell you. We expect you to know. Kerchiiiiing! (Y) That'll be £30 please for your unforgettable souvenir of our lovely city! (T) thanks mate! Have a nice day to you too![/p][/quote]Whilst I am not in agreement with the closure it is not difficult to find an alternative route. It is getting very boring listening to all the people bleating about getting fined for driving over Lendal Bridge whether they know that it is Lendal Bridge or not - why should tourists be any less liable for a fine than anyone else - when I am driving in an unfamiliar town I pay more attention to sinage and if I mis-read a sign then I only have myself to blame - to say there is not enough warnings is just plain stupid - travelling round from the station there are 2 BUS LANE signs on the road along with another high level sign stating prohibited access - travelling from Gillygate there is sinage stating that unless you are a bus or a taxi you need to turn right - granted I am not sure what sinage there is if you are approaching from Bootham as I never use this route but if you intend to travel to a city you are not familiar with it would be wise to do a little research - quit whinging and throwing your teddy out of the pram - stamping your feet and saying you will not return is pathetic - for everyone saying they won't be returning there will be a queue of people that will Wiggles

12:55am Sat 18 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

Tim Cronin wrote:
I went to Wales once, but never again, as all their road signs and signs in General seemed to be completely made up of graffiti. I couldn't understand why all the signs were unreadable, and we were distinctly put off from ever returning. They were totally made up from consonants???
I hear they're fun to play against on Countdown though.
[quote][p][bold]Tim Cronin[/bold] wrote: I went to Wales once, but never again, as all their road signs and signs in General seemed to be completely made up of graffiti. I couldn't understand why all the signs were unreadable, and we were distinctly put off from ever returning. They were totally made up from consonants???[/p][/quote]I hear they're fun to play against on Countdown though. Magicman!

3:00am Sun 19 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

Ah the vote riggers have been back.... my comments went from +28 to -15 overnight. Think we can discern one of the riggers is from the motoring brigade and has no sense of humour.
Ah the vote riggers have been back.... my comments went from +28 to -15 overnight. Think we can discern one of the riggers is from the motoring brigade and has no sense of humour. Magicman!

5:32pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Jonthan says...

mutley12321 wrote:
Jonthan wrote:
ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Alexander out, you give us a bad name around the country with your scam!
Little wonder we are in the top 5 in the latest cr*p towns guide, and that is just for the people who have to live here.
We want our City back.
As Cold as knows very well (because I have told him twice before) The C8rap Town guide was a spoof.
Mind you ColdAs has a penchant for spoof and nerdy climate denial sites, at least he is consistent.

Interesting though, that he chooses to chooses to attack the Council by denigrating our City
Hello Jonthan,

"he chooses to attack the council by denigrating our City". Really? Where does Mr Williams in anyway condemn the city of York?
Mutley, Read things before hitting the send button. I'm talking about ColdAsChristmad denigrating the city
[quote][p][bold]mutley12321[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonthan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Alexander out, you give us a bad name around the country with your scam! Little wonder we are in the top 5 in the latest cr*p towns guide, and that is just for the people who have to live here. We want our City back.[/p][/quote]As Cold as knows very well (because I have told him twice before) The C8rap Town guide was a spoof. Mind you ColdAs has a penchant for spoof and nerdy climate denial sites, at least he is consistent. Interesting though, that he chooses to chooses to attack the Council by denigrating our City[/p][/quote]Hello Jonthan, "he chooses to attack the council by denigrating our City". Really? Where does Mr Williams in anyway condemn the city of York?[/p][/quote]Mutley, Read things before hitting the send button. I'm talking about ColdAsChristmad denigrating the city Jonthan

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