Green vote is the way

York Press: . .

CONSERVATIVE councillor George Barton (Letters, January 4) rightly criticises Labour’s “pompous cabinet”, yet indicates his party’s preference for even fewer “backbench councilors” to cover a larger and growing number of York electors.

All other parties on the council preferred to minimise the disruption to ward arrangements by retaining the current total of 47 councillors, a view supported by the Boundaries Commission.

Coun Barton should, however, be congratulated on being the first to remind readers that our local elections fall in May 2015, when electors get to choose their local representatives.

This could be the opportunity to elect more local councillors with York and its people at their heart, or alternatively simply to yo-yo between domination by one party political dogma and another.

Electing more Green councillors would temper the excesses of an aloof cabinet, perhaps removing their party’s overall control.

This could create conditions for cross party working in the face of the horrendous budget cuts being forced on local government.

Whichever party runs the Government after the next election, massively reduced council funding will be a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible.

Coun Andy D’Agorne, Green Party, Broadway West, York.

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11:08am Wed 8 Jan 14

Zetkin says...

Mr D'Agorne thinks continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible."

In other words, if your party took control of York, you'd continue to do the Tories' bidding, just like your colleagues who run Brighton, and decided the best way of cutting council spending was to try and cut the bin workers' take home pay by up to £4,000 a year.

That must have brought a trademark smirk to chancellor Osborne's mug.
Mr D'Agorne thinks continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible." In other words, if your party took control of York, you'd continue to do the Tories' bidding, just like your colleagues who run Brighton, and decided the best way of cutting council spending was to try and cut the bin workers' take home pay by up to £4,000 a year. That must have brought a trademark smirk to chancellor Osborne's mug. Zetkin

2:50pm Wed 8 Jan 14

saw4 says...

Zetkin wrote:
Mr D'Agorne thinks continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible."

In other words, if your party took control of York, you'd continue to do the Tories' bidding, just like your colleagues who run Brighton, and decided the best way of cutting council spending was to try and cut the bin workers' take home pay by up to £4,000 a year.

That must have brought a trademark smirk to chancellor Osborne's mug.
Not sure how you've arrived at this based on what was written. Seems a little unfair.
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: Mr D'Agorne thinks continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible." In other words, if your party took control of York, you'd continue to do the Tories' bidding, just like your colleagues who run Brighton, and decided the best way of cutting council spending was to try and cut the bin workers' take home pay by up to £4,000 a year. That must have brought a trademark smirk to chancellor Osborne's mug.[/p][/quote]Not sure how you've arrived at this based on what was written. Seems a little unfair. saw4

3:38pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Pinza-C55 says...

To be fair when the OP said " continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible." he was merely saying that he assumes an incoming government will massively reduce money granted to councils and that councils will need to manage this reduced money more carefully - hardly controversial, though I suspect he would still find money for cycle routes.
However I checked what Zetkin said and it is true
http://www.socialist
party.org.uk/article
s/16677/15-05-2013/b
righton-bin-workers-
fight-pay-cuts-this-
time-from-the-greens so it seems the Green Party are merely the Tories in wellington boots.
The truth is never unfair.
To be fair when the OP said " continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible." he was merely saying that he assumes an incoming government will massively reduce money granted to councils and that councils will need to manage this reduced money more carefully - hardly controversial, though I suspect he would still find money for cycle routes. However I checked what Zetkin said and it is true http://www.socialist party.org.uk/article s/16677/15-05-2013/b righton-bin-workers- fight-pay-cuts-this- time-from-the-greens so it seems the Green Party are merely the Tories in wellington boots. The truth is never unfair. Pinza-C55

4:00pm Wed 8 Jan 14

BL2 says...

Sorry, but the green councillors are just as bad (and worse on certain issues) than many of the others! Independent candidates are the only way forward, unfortunately it#s unlikely that many (if any) will stand.
Sorry, but the green councillors are just as bad (and worse on certain issues) than many of the others! Independent candidates are the only way forward, unfortunately it#s unlikely that many (if any) will stand. BL2

5:25pm Wed 8 Jan 14

saw4 says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
To be fair when the OP said " continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible." he was merely saying that he assumes an incoming government will massively reduce money granted to councils and that councils will need to manage this reduced money more carefully - hardly controversial, though I suspect he would still find money for cycle routes.
However I checked what Zetkin said and it is true
http://www.socialist

party.org.uk/article

s/16677/15-05-2013/b

righton-bin-workers-

fight-pay-cuts-this-

time-from-the-greens so it seems the Green Party are merely the Tories in wellington boots.
The truth is never unfair.
I agree! But how is this relevant to the points made in the letter?
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: To be fair when the OP said " continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible." he was merely saying that he assumes an incoming government will massively reduce money granted to councils and that councils will need to manage this reduced money more carefully - hardly controversial, though I suspect he would still find money for cycle routes. However I checked what Zetkin said and it is true http://www.socialist party.org.uk/article s/16677/15-05-2013/b righton-bin-workers- fight-pay-cuts-this- time-from-the-greens so it seems the Green Party are merely the Tories in wellington boots. The truth is never unfair.[/p][/quote]I agree! But how is this relevant to the points made in the letter? saw4

6:55pm Wed 8 Jan 14

CaroleBaines says...

Would never vote for York Greens. For me they clearly do not believe in residents or the community.
Would never vote for York Greens. For me they clearly do not believe in residents or the community. CaroleBaines

8:21pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Pinza-C55 says...

saw4 wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
To be fair when the OP said " continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible." he was merely saying that he assumes an incoming government will massively reduce money granted to councils and that councils will need to manage this reduced money more carefully - hardly controversial, though I suspect he would still find money for cycle routes.
However I checked what Zetkin said and it is true
http://www.socialist


party.org.uk/article


s/16677/15-05-2013/b


righton-bin-workers-


fight-pay-cuts-this-


time-from-the-greens so it seems the Green Party are merely the Tories in wellington boots.
The truth is never unfair.
I agree! But how is this relevant to the points made in the letter?
Because Coun D’Agorne appears to be suggesting that there are major differences between his party and the Tories, whereas the example of the Brighton binmen suggests otherwise.
He also suggests that his party is "more in touch with the people" - clearly that isn't the case or they would have a majority on the council.
Also I will make a prediction that, although he could reply to any of these comments on the website, he will not. None of them ever do.
[quote][p][bold]saw4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: To be fair when the OP said " continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible." he was merely saying that he assumes an incoming government will massively reduce money granted to councils and that councils will need to manage this reduced money more carefully - hardly controversial, though I suspect he would still find money for cycle routes. However I checked what Zetkin said and it is true http://www.socialist party.org.uk/article s/16677/15-05-2013/b righton-bin-workers- fight-pay-cuts-this- time-from-the-greens so it seems the Green Party are merely the Tories in wellington boots. The truth is never unfair.[/p][/quote]I agree! But how is this relevant to the points made in the letter?[/p][/quote]Because Coun D’Agorne appears to be suggesting that there are major differences between his party and the Tories, whereas the example of the Brighton binmen suggests otherwise. He also suggests that his party is "more in touch with the people" - clearly that isn't the case or they would have a majority on the council. Also I will make a prediction that, although he could reply to any of these comments on the website, he will not. None of them ever do. Pinza-C55

9:57pm Wed 8 Jan 14

saw4 says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
saw4 wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
To be fair when the OP said " continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible." he was merely saying that he assumes an incoming government will massively reduce money granted to councils and that councils will need to manage this reduced money more carefully - hardly controversial, though I suspect he would still find money for cycle routes.
However I checked what Zetkin said and it is true
http://www.socialist



party.org.uk/article



s/16677/15-05-2013/b



righton-bin-workers-



fight-pay-cuts-this-



time-from-the-greens so it seems the Green Party are merely the Tories in wellington boots.
The truth is never unfair.
I agree! But how is this relevant to the points made in the letter?
Because Coun D’Agorne appears to be suggesting that there are major differences between his party and the Tories, whereas the example of the Brighton binmen suggests otherwise.
He also suggests that his party is "more in touch with the people" - clearly that isn't the case or they would have a majority on the council.
Also I will make a prediction that, although he could reply to any of these comments on the website, he will not. None of them ever do.
Are you reading the same letter as me? :-/
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saw4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: To be fair when the OP said " continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible." he was merely saying that he assumes an incoming government will massively reduce money granted to councils and that councils will need to manage this reduced money more carefully - hardly controversial, though I suspect he would still find money for cycle routes. However I checked what Zetkin said and it is true http://www.socialist party.org.uk/article s/16677/15-05-2013/b righton-bin-workers- fight-pay-cuts-this- time-from-the-greens so it seems the Green Party are merely the Tories in wellington boots. The truth is never unfair.[/p][/quote]I agree! But how is this relevant to the points made in the letter?[/p][/quote]Because Coun D’Agorne appears to be suggesting that there are major differences between his party and the Tories, whereas the example of the Brighton binmen suggests otherwise. He also suggests that his party is "more in touch with the people" - clearly that isn't the case or they would have a majority on the council. Also I will make a prediction that, although he could reply to any of these comments on the website, he will not. None of them ever do.[/p][/quote]Are you reading the same letter as me? :-/ saw4

11:43pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Pinza-C55 says...

saw4 wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
saw4 wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
To be fair when the OP said " continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible." he was merely saying that he assumes an incoming government will massively reduce money granted to councils and that councils will need to manage this reduced money more carefully - hardly controversial, though I suspect he would still find money for cycle routes.
However I checked what Zetkin said and it is true
http://www.socialist




party.org.uk/article




s/16677/15-05-2013/b




righton-bin-workers-




fight-pay-cuts-this-




time-from-the-greens so it seems the Green Party are merely the Tories in wellington boots.
The truth is never unfair.
I agree! But how is this relevant to the points made in the letter?
Because Coun D’Agorne appears to be suggesting that there are major differences between his party and the Tories, whereas the example of the Brighton binmen suggests otherwise.
He also suggests that his party is "more in touch with the people" - clearly that isn't the case or they would have a majority on the council.
Also I will make a prediction that, although he could reply to any of these comments on the website, he will not. None of them ever do.
Are you reading the same letter as me? :-/
Yes, assuming you are reading the letter at the top of the page.
[quote][p][bold]saw4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saw4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: To be fair when the OP said " continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible." he was merely saying that he assumes an incoming government will massively reduce money granted to councils and that councils will need to manage this reduced money more carefully - hardly controversial, though I suspect he would still find money for cycle routes. However I checked what Zetkin said and it is true http://www.socialist party.org.uk/article s/16677/15-05-2013/b righton-bin-workers- fight-pay-cuts-this- time-from-the-greens so it seems the Green Party are merely the Tories in wellington boots. The truth is never unfair.[/p][/quote]I agree! But how is this relevant to the points made in the letter?[/p][/quote]Because Coun D’Agorne appears to be suggesting that there are major differences between his party and the Tories, whereas the example of the Brighton binmen suggests otherwise. He also suggests that his party is "more in touch with the people" - clearly that isn't the case or they would have a majority on the council. Also I will make a prediction that, although he could reply to any of these comments on the website, he will not. None of them ever do.[/p][/quote]Are you reading the same letter as me? :-/[/p][/quote]Yes, assuming you are reading the letter at the top of the page. Pinza-C55

1:24pm Thu 9 Jan 14

greenmonkey says...

Zetkin wrote:
Mr D'Agorne thinks continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible." In other words, if your party took control of York, you'd continue to do the Tories' bidding, just like your colleagues who run Brighton, and decided the best way of cutting council spending was to try and cut the bin workers' take home pay by up to £4,000 a year. That must have brought a trademark smirk to chancellor Osborne's mug.
Wouldnt trust the account of affairs from socialist party! To correct one major point here, the dispute in Brighton wasnt to 'cut council spending' it was to bring about fair pay, which the previous Tory administration had failed to do, even though most councils had already gone through the job evaluation process years ago. Bin workers supported by their Labour sponsored union could have taken legal action costing the council far more if the changes hadnt been made. And as for Labour in Brighton, they voted with the Tories to force the minority administration to take the Tory council tax freeze con, that means deeper cuts to services in the future. But of course they will tell the electorate that its all the fault of the 'Green council'.
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: Mr D'Agorne thinks continuing cuts are "a reality for all councillors to address, as creatively and sensitively as possible." In other words, if your party took control of York, you'd continue to do the Tories' bidding, just like your colleagues who run Brighton, and decided the best way of cutting council spending was to try and cut the bin workers' take home pay by up to £4,000 a year. That must have brought a trademark smirk to chancellor Osborne's mug.[/p][/quote]Wouldnt trust the account of affairs from socialist party! To correct one major point here, the dispute in Brighton wasnt to 'cut council spending' it was to bring about fair pay, which the previous Tory administration had failed to do, even though most councils had already gone through the job evaluation process years ago. Bin workers supported by their Labour sponsored union could have taken legal action costing the council far more if the changes hadnt been made. And as for Labour in Brighton, they voted with the Tories to force the minority administration to take the Tory council tax freeze con, that means deeper cuts to services in the future. But of course they will tell the electorate that its all the fault of the 'Green council'. greenmonkey

3:50pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Bo Jolly says...

I can't understand why Mr D'Agorne thinks voting for the hair-shirt/middle class slow-living lifestyle politics of the Green Party will result in the council being less 'aloof'. We already have some flavour of what it might be like in Anna Semlyen, widely thought of as an Green Party 'entryist', and hardly a model of someone who's in touch with the working man/woman. A different colour of aloof, at best.
I can't understand why Mr D'Agorne thinks voting for the hair-shirt/middle class slow-living lifestyle politics of the Green Party will result in the council being less 'aloof'. We already have some flavour of what it might be like in Anna Semlyen, widely thought of as an Green Party 'entryist', and hardly a model of someone who's in touch with the working man/woman. A different colour of aloof, at best. Bo Jolly

9:50pm Thu 9 Jan 14

greenmonkey says...

Bo Jolly wrote:
I can't understand why Mr D'Agorne thinks voting for the hair-shirt/middle class slow-living lifestyle politics of the Green Party will result in the council being less 'aloof'. We already have some flavour of what it might be like in Anna Semlyen, widely thought of as an Green Party 'entryist', and hardly a model of someone who's in touch with the working man/woman. A different colour of aloof, at best.
Strange that Bo jolly sees a former Green Party supporter who switched to Labour in order to get elected as more representative of the party than the elected Green Party councillors themselves!
[quote][p][bold]Bo Jolly[/bold] wrote: I can't understand why Mr D'Agorne thinks voting for the hair-shirt/middle class slow-living lifestyle politics of the Green Party will result in the council being less 'aloof'. We already have some flavour of what it might be like in Anna Semlyen, widely thought of as an Green Party 'entryist', and hardly a model of someone who's in touch with the working man/woman. A different colour of aloof, at best.[/p][/quote]Strange that Bo jolly sees a former Green Party supporter who switched to Labour in order to get elected as more representative of the party than the elected Green Party councillors themselves! greenmonkey

10:03pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Dave Taylor says...

When I post on this site, I always do so under my own name. I don't hide behind a pseudonym. Where Labour has cut services in York, as a result of following the ConDem Govt cuts, we Greens have been critical, but always trying to offer a better alternative. We did suggest a pay cut for all Council workers in an effort to save jobs, but this was rejected and many workers lost their jobs. We've criticised Labour for externalising low-paid care worker jobs to the private sector who pay £2 per hour less than the Council. Labour has also raised the salaries of the highest-paid officers by £10,000 per year which we objected to. On some other things we've had to accept that cuts cannot be stopped. We cannot declare UDI. However, wasting £500,000 on re-paving King's Square, and £80,000pa on posters at Leeds Bradford Airport we can do without. I certainly think we could manage the Council more sensibly than the present incumbents.
When I post on this site, I always do so under my own name. I don't hide behind a pseudonym. Where Labour has cut services in York, as a result of following the ConDem Govt cuts, we Greens have been critical, but always trying to offer a better alternative. We did suggest a pay cut for all Council workers in an effort to save jobs, but this was rejected and many workers lost their jobs. We've criticised Labour for externalising low-paid care worker jobs to the private sector who pay £2 per hour less than the Council. Labour has also raised the salaries of the highest-paid officers by £10,000 per year which we objected to. On some other things we've had to accept that cuts cannot be stopped. We cannot declare UDI. However, wasting £500,000 on re-paving King's Square, and £80,000pa on posters at Leeds Bradford Airport we can do without. I certainly think we could manage the Council more sensibly than the present incumbents. Dave Taylor

10:04pm Thu 9 Jan 14

John Cossham says...

Well I'll be voting Green in 2015, as the candidate lives in my ward (the current Councillors don't) and cares passionately about York, quality of life, fairness, and local people.

Greens generally are principled and caring. In my opinion!
Well I'll be voting Green in 2015, as the candidate lives in my ward (the current Councillors don't) and cares passionately about York, quality of life, fairness, and local people. Greens generally are principled and caring. In my opinion! John Cossham

10:46pm Thu 9 Jan 14

gazinyork says...

It seems really bizarre to try to lump the Greens in with the Tories. Of all the major parties they are the least likely to go along with the pro-banker, anti-freedom, anti-democratic and generally nasty and insane corrupt public schoolboy Tory hate agenda. I found this link to their poicies, which I think proves how different they and sensible they really are http://policy.greenp
arty.org.uk/core-val
ues.

Having said that I don't really understand what point Andy Dagorne is trying to make. It seems pretty obvious that the greens do not like the cuts and also pretty obvious that they have to make the best of a bad job.
It seems really bizarre to try to lump the Greens in with the Tories. Of all the major parties they are the least likely to go along with the pro-banker, anti-freedom, anti-democratic and generally nasty and insane corrupt public schoolboy Tory hate agenda. I found this link to their poicies, which I think proves how different they and sensible they really are http://policy.greenp arty.org.uk/core-val ues. Having said that I don't really understand what point Andy Dagorne is trying to make. It seems pretty obvious that the greens do not like the cuts and also pretty obvious that they have to make the best of a bad job. gazinyork

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