Don’t blame migrants

York Press: Don’t blame migrants Don’t blame migrants

If Romanian or Bulgarian people who arrive in Britain after January 1 are anything like the caring, hard-working and highly qualified Romanian nurse who looked after my mother several years ago in a care home where the majority of the staff were from overseas, then we should be very pleased they are coming, despite the low pay and sometimes indifferent welcome.

People come here because they want to work, the jobs are available and exchange rates mean it is worth sending money home.

Why are these jobs not already taken by local people? Generally the pay is too low, the conditions too bad or in the more highly skilled sectors our education and training systems have failed to deliver.

European migrants contribute around £2 billion annually to the British economy and are less likely to claim benefits than people who are born here.

Hundreds of thousands of British people live in other European countries (250,000 in France, 115,000 in Germany and nearly one million in Spain) and benefit from local public services there.

Rather than finding someone else to blame, we should be looking at our own employment standards and policies, such as supporting a Living Wage for everyone.

Denise Craghill, Chair York Green Party, Green Party European Parliamentary candidate for Yorkshire & the Humber, Broadway West, York.

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5:53pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Sillybillies says...

If Romanian or Bulgarian people who arrive in Britain after January 1 are anything like the caring, hard-working and highly qualified ...

Dream on, how naive!
[quote]If Romanian or Bulgarian people who arrive in Britain after January 1 are anything like the caring, hard-working and highly qualified ...[/quote] Dream on, how naive! Sillybillies

6:10pm Tue 31 Dec 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

I might have guessed that this came from a Green. How is sending money 'home' to the country from where they came going to help the British economy? This is an age old problem with migrants, not all want to become properly British and intergrated. Home is some other country where perhaps they would be happier?
That said, their are plenty of people who do want to be British and support this country. Can we just have those please?
I might have guessed that this came from a Green. How is sending money 'home' to the country from where they came going to help the British economy? This is an age old problem with migrants, not all want to become properly British and intergrated. Home is some other country where perhaps they would be happier? That said, their are plenty of people who do want to be British and support this country. Can we just have those please? ColdAsChristmas

7:14pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Yorkieand says...

Sillybillies wrote:
If Romanian or Bulgarian people who arrive in Britain after January 1 are anything like the caring, hard-working and highly qualified ...

Dream on, how naive!
Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots. Anyone listening to the Jeremy Vine programme on radio 2 yesterday will have heard a few in reaction to Farage's comments on Syrian refugees. The comment quoted above comes from another such individual, unlike the letter writer who shows human decency.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]If Romanian or Bulgarian people who arrive in Britain after January 1 are anything like the caring, hard-working and highly qualified ...[/quote] Dream on, how naive![/p][/quote]Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots. Anyone listening to the Jeremy Vine programme on radio 2 yesterday will have heard a few in reaction to Farage's comments on Syrian refugees. The comment quoted above comes from another such individual, unlike the letter writer who shows human decency. Yorkieand

7:40pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Jonthan says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
I might have guessed that this came from a Green. How is sending money 'home' to the country from where they came going to help the British economy? This is an age old problem with migrants, not all want to become properly British and intergrated. Home is some other country where perhaps they would be happier?
That said, their are plenty of people who do want to be British and support this country. Can we just have those please?
Why is sending money home any different to what the Auf Wiedersehen Pet generation of builders did when they worked in Germany? Both countries benefit. ColdAs, I'm sure you are familiar with Marx's Labour theory of value, so you will know that benefit accrues to the employer (in this case British) and the country benefits from tax -payments benefits the exchequer.

And about integration, don't make me laugh. When there was mass illegal immigration from Britain to India at the time of the British Empire, the British remained arrogantly separate, believing themselves to be racially superior. Even after 300 years they still and refused to let the "natives". Into their clubs and operated racist system not unlike apartheid. Do you denounce them for it? of course you don't.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: I might have guessed that this came from a Green. How is sending money 'home' to the country from where they came going to help the British economy? This is an age old problem with migrants, not all want to become properly British and intergrated. Home is some other country where perhaps they would be happier? That said, their are plenty of people who do want to be British and support this country. Can we just have those please?[/p][/quote]Why is sending money home any different to what the Auf Wiedersehen Pet generation of builders did when they worked in Germany? Both countries benefit. ColdAs, I'm sure you are familiar with Marx's Labour theory of value, so you will know that benefit accrues to the employer (in this case British) and the country benefits from tax -payments benefits the exchequer. And about integration, don't make me laugh. When there was mass illegal immigration from Britain to India at the time of the British Empire, the British remained arrogantly separate, believing themselves to be racially superior. Even after 300 years they still and refused to let the "natives". Into their clubs and operated racist system not unlike apartheid. Do you denounce them for it? of course you don't. Jonthan

9:29pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Pinza-C55 says...

Yorkieand wrote:
Sillybillies wrote:
If Romanian or Bulgarian people who arrive in Britain after January 1 are anything like the caring, hard-working and highly qualified ...

Dream on, how naive!
Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots. Anyone listening to the Jeremy Vine programme on radio 2 yesterday will have heard a few in reaction to Farage's comments on Syrian refugees. The comment quoted above comes from another such individual, unlike the letter writer who shows human decency.
"Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots."
I presume you are aware that Tony Benn is anti-EU? Or does that violate your black and white view of the world?
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/uk_politics/7
011231.stm
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]If Romanian or Bulgarian people who arrive in Britain after January 1 are anything like the caring, hard-working and highly qualified ...[/quote] Dream on, how naive![/p][/quote]Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots. Anyone listening to the Jeremy Vine programme on radio 2 yesterday will have heard a few in reaction to Farage's comments on Syrian refugees. The comment quoted above comes from another such individual, unlike the letter writer who shows human decency.[/p][/quote]"Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots." I presume you are aware that Tony Benn is anti-EU? Or does that violate your black and white view of the world? http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk_politics/7 011231.stm Pinza-C55

10:15pm Tue 31 Dec 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Another poor example, Jonthan. Back in the 's and 70's go could work in Germany as a guest worker, locally known as gastarbi
Another poor example, Jonthan. Back in the 's and 70's go could work in Germany as a guest worker, locally known as gastarbi ColdAsChristmas

10:31pm Tue 31 Dec 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Clicked the send button before I finished:

Another poor example, Jonthan. Back in the50's' 60's, and 70's you go could work in Germany as a guest worker, locally known as gastarbieter
There were no residential rights, when the job went, you went.
And if you want to talk about illegal immigrants, why is it always British soldiers or empire etc with you?
What about Germans in most of Europe or Iraq's in Kuwait. How about Climate nutters on a Russian oil rig or the same sort causing pollution in the Antarctic, currently? We could even mention the Vikings on the Isle of Man but stick to the point. Can these small Islands cope with constant uncontrolled immigration. Why are there endless streams of people trying to get here through the channel tunnel. What is wrong with France?
If a hotel is full they stop taking bookings or there will be trouble. Get it?
Clicked the send button before I finished: Another poor example, Jonthan. Back in the50's' 60's, and 70's you go could work in Germany as a guest worker, locally known as gastarbieter There were no residential rights, when the job went, you went. And if you want to talk about illegal immigrants, why is it always British soldiers or empire etc with you? What about Germans in most of Europe or Iraq's in Kuwait. How about Climate nutters on a Russian oil rig or the same sort causing pollution in the Antarctic, currently? We could even mention the Vikings on the Isle of Man but stick to the point. Can these small Islands cope with constant uncontrolled immigration. Why are there endless streams of people trying to get here through the channel tunnel. What is wrong with France? If a hotel is full they stop taking bookings or there will be trouble. Get it? ColdAsChristmas

11:27pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Jonthan says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Clicked the send button before I finished:

Another poor example, Jonthan. Back in the50's' 60's, and 70's you go could work in Germany as a guest worker, locally known as gastarbieter
There were no residential rights, when the job went, you went.
And if you want to talk about illegal immigrants, why is it always British soldiers or empire etc with you?
What about Germans in most of Europe or Iraq's in Kuwait. How about Climate nutters on a Russian oil rig or the same sort causing pollution in the Antarctic, currently? We could even mention the Vikings on the Isle of Man but stick to the point. Can these small Islands cope with constant uncontrolled immigration. Why are there endless streams of people trying to get here through the channel tunnel. What is wrong with France?
If a hotel is full they stop taking bookings or there will be trouble. Get it?
Thanks for reminding me about gastarbeiter. Big word, and foreign, that's good.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Clicked the send button before I finished: Another poor example, Jonthan. Back in the50's' 60's, and 70's you go could work in Germany as a guest worker, locally known as gastarbieter There were no residential rights, when the job went, you went. And if you want to talk about illegal immigrants, why is it always British soldiers or empire etc with you? What about Germans in most of Europe or Iraq's in Kuwait. How about Climate nutters on a Russian oil rig or the same sort causing pollution in the Antarctic, currently? We could even mention the Vikings on the Isle of Man but stick to the point. Can these small Islands cope with constant uncontrolled immigration. Why are there endless streams of people trying to get here through the channel tunnel. What is wrong with France? If a hotel is full they stop taking bookings or there will be trouble. Get it?[/p][/quote]Thanks for reminding me about gastarbeiter. Big word, and foreign, that's good. Jonthan

2:38am Wed 1 Jan 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Happy New Year Jonthan.

BTW, if foreign is good then what are you doing here?

You sound like Pocklington's Roger Westmoreland by the day.
Happy New Year Jonthan. BTW, if foreign is good then what are you doing here? You sound like Pocklington's Roger Westmoreland by the day. ColdAsChristmas

10:23am Wed 1 Jan 14

Yorkieand says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Yorkieand wrote:
Sillybillies wrote:
If Romanian or Bulgarian people who arrive in Britain after January 1 are anything like the caring, hard-working and highly qualified ...

Dream on, how naive!
Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots. Anyone listening to the Jeremy Vine programme on radio 2 yesterday will have heard a few in reaction to Farage's comments on Syrian refugees. The comment quoted above comes from another such individual, unlike the letter writer who shows human decency.
"Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots."
I presume you are aware that Tony Benn is anti-EU? Or does that violate your black and white view of the world?
http://news.bbc.co.u

k/1/hi/uk_politics/7

011231.stm
You refer to Tony Benn and then talk about my black and white world? Pathetic response!
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]If Romanian or Bulgarian people who arrive in Britain after January 1 are anything like the caring, hard-working and highly qualified ...[/quote] Dream on, how naive![/p][/quote]Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots. Anyone listening to the Jeremy Vine programme on radio 2 yesterday will have heard a few in reaction to Farage's comments on Syrian refugees. The comment quoted above comes from another such individual, unlike the letter writer who shows human decency.[/p][/quote]"Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots." I presume you are aware that Tony Benn is anti-EU? Or does that violate your black and white view of the world? http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk_politics/7 011231.stm[/p][/quote]You refer to Tony Benn and then talk about my black and white world? Pathetic response! Yorkieand

3:39pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Sillybillies says...

"Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots."
I think you will find it's actually the hitherto mainly silent majority, who are starting to realise that action not silence may be required to stop the threatened influx
[quote]"Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots."[quote] I think you will find it's actually the hitherto mainly silent majority, who are starting to realise that action not silence may be required to stop the threatened influx Sillybillies

5:56pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Yorkieand wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Yorkieand wrote:
Sillybillies wrote:
If Romanian or Bulgarian people who arrive in Britain after January 1 are anything like the caring, hard-working and highly qualified ...

Dream on, how naive!
Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots. Anyone listening to the Jeremy Vine programme on radio 2 yesterday will have heard a few in reaction to Farage's comments on Syrian refugees. The comment quoted above comes from another such individual, unlike the letter writer who shows human decency.
"Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots."
I presume you are aware that Tony Benn is anti-EU? Or does that violate your black and white view of the world?
http://news.bbc.co.u


k/1/hi/uk_politics/7


011231.stm
You refer to Tony Benn and then talk about my black and white world? Pathetic response!
Tell me why it is pathetic? Otherwise it sounds like "Yah boo sucks!" Tony is generally regarded as being left wing but he espouses a position usually associated with the right wing.
Here's the man himself http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=f0wFii8kl
Ng
Main points
1) The EU is undemocratic.
2) It is a tool for global corporations.
3) It is effectively an Empire.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]If Romanian or Bulgarian people who arrive in Britain after January 1 are anything like the caring, hard-working and highly qualified ...[/quote] Dream on, how naive![/p][/quote]Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots. Anyone listening to the Jeremy Vine programme on radio 2 yesterday will have heard a few in reaction to Farage's comments on Syrian refugees. The comment quoted above comes from another such individual, unlike the letter writer who shows human decency.[/p][/quote]"Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots." I presume you are aware that Tony Benn is anti-EU? Or does that violate your black and white view of the world? http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk_politics/7 011231.stm[/p][/quote]You refer to Tony Benn and then talk about my black and white world? Pathetic response![/p][/quote]Tell me why it is pathetic? Otherwise it sounds like "Yah boo sucks!" Tony is generally regarded as being left wing but he espouses a position usually associated with the right wing. Here's the man himself http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=f0wFii8kl Ng Main points 1) The EU is undemocratic. 2) It is a tool for global corporations. 3) It is effectively an Empire. Pinza-C55

6:51pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Yorkieand says...

Sillybillies wrote:
"Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots."
I think you will find it's actually the hitherto mainly silent majority, who are starting to realise that action not silence may be required to stop the threatened influxThe bigots a silent majority? You must be joking! A recent Ipsos Mori poll shows that over 70% of people surveyed will actually welcome Romanians and Bulgarians.Those 70% are the decent, tolerant people that you hardly ever hear. They are the silent majority. It is the vociferous, minority, bigots, like yourself, that many of us are sick of listening to.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]"Unfortunately in this country, decent, compassionate and tolerant people are up against a sizeable minority of right wing bigots."[quote] I think you will find it's actually the hitherto mainly silent majority, who are starting to realise that action not silence may be required to stop the threatened influx[/p][/quote]The bigots a silent majority? You must be joking! A recent Ipsos Mori poll shows that over 70% of people surveyed will actually welcome Romanians and Bulgarians.Those 70% are the decent, tolerant people that you hardly ever hear. They are the silent majority. It is the vociferous, minority, bigots, like yourself, that many of us are sick of listening to. Yorkieand

7:21pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Pinza-C55 says...

And yet you are the only one hurling insults around here so you are hardly "tolerant". Its the sign of someone who has nothing to say. I would probably be classed as extreme left wing socialist even by you but I believe the best interests of this country would be served by leaving the EU. I have no problem with the immigrants themselves: they are just people trying to make the best life for themselves. My problem is the same as Tony Benn; the system which allows them to come here, namely the EU. If the government has the same confidence in MORI polls that you they will give us referendum but they won't.
And yet you are the only one hurling insults around here so you are hardly "tolerant". Its the sign of someone who has nothing to say. I would probably be classed as extreme left wing socialist even by you but I believe the best interests of this country would be served by leaving the EU. I have no problem with the immigrants themselves: they are just people trying to make the best life for themselves. My problem is the same as Tony Benn; the system which allows them to come here, namely the EU. If the government has the same confidence in MORI polls that you they will give us referendum but they won't. Pinza-C55

8:08pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Yorkieand says...

Which word have I used that is insulting? Bigot perhaps? Look at the definition in the dictionary and you'll find I'm stating nothing more than a fact.
Which word have I used that is insulting? Bigot perhaps? Look at the definition in the dictionary and you'll find I'm stating nothing more than a fact. Yorkieand

8:11pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Pinza-C55 says...

By the way "Yorkieand" after my last post I returned home to find that I had 24 thumbs down and you had an equivalent number of thumbs up. This was repeated across the whole thread, those who took the opposite stance to you receiving about 20 thumbs down. I am sure you agree this is extremely childish and can you give me your assurance that it wasn't you who did it?
By the way "Yorkieand" after my last post I returned home to find that I had 24 thumbs down and you had an equivalent number of thumbs up. This was repeated across the whole thread, those who took the opposite stance to you receiving about 20 thumbs down. I am sure you agree this is extremely childish and can you give me your assurance that it wasn't you who did it? Pinza-C55

8:13pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Yorkieand wrote:
Which word have I used that is insulting? Bigot perhaps? Look at the definition in the dictionary and you'll find I'm stating nothing more than a fact.
So you are calling Tony Benn a right wing bigot because he is against the EU?
Wow.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: Which word have I used that is insulting? Bigot perhaps? Look at the definition in the dictionary and you'll find I'm stating nothing more than a fact.[/p][/quote]So you are calling Tony Benn a right wing bigot because he is against the EU? Wow. Pinza-C55

8:18pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Yorkieand wrote:
Which word have I used that is insulting? Bigot perhaps? Look at the definition in the dictionary and you'll find I'm stating nothing more than a fact.
Dictionary.com

big·ot

noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
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Origin:
1590–1600; < Middle French ( Old French: derogatory name applied by the French to the Normans), perhaps < Old English bī God by God
Note the word "derogatory".

de·rog·a·to·ry
Show IPA
adjective
tending to lessen the merit or reputation of a person or thing; disparaging; depreciatory: a derogatory remark.
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Origin:
1495–1505; < Late Latin dērogātōrius cursing, equivalent to dērogā ( re ) (see derogate) + -tōrius -tory1
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: Which word have I used that is insulting? Bigot perhaps? Look at the definition in the dictionary and you'll find I'm stating nothing more than a fact.[/p][/quote]Dictionary.com big·ot [big-uht] noun a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion. -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- Origin: 1590–1600; < Middle French ( Old French: derogatory name applied by the French to the Normans), perhaps < Old English bī God by God Note the word "derogatory". de·rog·a·to·ry [dih-rog-uh-tawr-ee, -tohr-ee] Show IPA adjective tending to lessen the merit or reputation of a person or thing; disparaging; depreciatory: a derogatory remark. -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- Origin: 1495–1505; < Late Latin dērogātōrius cursing, equivalent to dērogā ( re ) (see derogate) + -tōrius -tory1 Pinza-C55

10:18pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Yorkieand says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
By the way &quot;Yorkieand" after my last post I returned home to find that I had 24 thumbs down and you had an equivalent number of thumbs up. This was repeated across the whole thread, those who took the opposite stance to you receiving about 20 thumbs down. I am sure you agree this is extremely childish and can you give me your assurance that it wasn't you who did it?
Absolutely nothing to do with me I can assure you.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: By the way "Yorkieand" after my last post I returned home to find that I had 24 thumbs down and you had an equivalent number of thumbs up. This was repeated across the whole thread, those who took the opposite stance to you receiving about 20 thumbs down. I am sure you agree this is extremely childish and can you give me your assurance that it wasn't you who did it?[/p][/quote]Absolutely nothing to do with me I can assure you. Yorkieand

11:18pm Wed 1 Jan 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

I only use one log in name but it is possible to have more than one Press log in name. Think about it.
I only use one log in name but it is possible to have more than one Press log in name. Think about it. ColdAsChristmas

4:01am Thu 2 Jan 14

Magicman! says...

If everybody who is going to migrate to the UK from these countries is going to be like the example in the letter, then we should welcome them.

... but I well suspect a sudden increase in dodgy-looking devices on cash machines instead....
If everybody who is going to migrate to the UK from these countries is going to be like the example in the letter, then we should welcome them. ... but I well suspect a sudden increase in dodgy-looking devices on cash machines instead.... Magicman!

12:43pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Sillybillies says...

Immigration is generally unpopular
Despite uncertainties involved in measuring and interpreting public opinion, the evidence clearly shows high levels of opposition to immigration in the UK. In recent surveys, majorities of respondents think that there are too many migrants in the UK, that fewer migrants should be let in to the country, and that legal restrictions on immigration should be tighter.

http://www.migration
observatory.ox.ac.uk
/briefings/uk-public
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tudes-and-level-conc
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[quote]Immigration is generally unpopular Despite uncertainties involved in measuring and interpreting public opinion, the evidence clearly shows high levels of opposition to immigration in the UK. In recent surveys, majorities of respondents think that there are too many migrants in the UK, that fewer migrants should be let in to the country, and that legal restrictions on immigration should be tighter. http://www.migration observatory.ox.ac.uk /briefings/uk-public -opinion-toward-immi gration-overall-atti tudes-and-level-conc ern[/quote] Sillybillies

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