Driver arrogance

York Press: Driver arrogance Driver arrogance

IN reply to the letter by John Allan bewailing the speeding notice he received on Easingwold bypass, I have never seen such arrogance from anyone caught speeding. Saying that his fine undermines the reputation of the police suggests that he believes himself to be above the law.

I think a speed awareness course is well overdue.

Mr Allan goes on to tell us the camera crew should patrol where there are clear safety issues, conveniently forgetting how many deaths we have seen on the Easingwold bypass.

I spent more than 30 years in the police service and have seen the deaths and devastation caused by drivers who believed they were competent and could not be taught anything.

Les Coverdale, Wigginton, York.

 

• I WOULD like to point out to the hard-done-by John Allan who “apparently” was clocked doing 69mph in a 60mph zone, that since the opening of the Easingwold bypass there have been quite a few road accidents, including more than one fatality.

To say that overtaking two cars and a van travelling at approximately 50mph was totally safe is ridiculous.

Much better to be attending a speed awareness course than your family attending your funeral.

Graham Hayden, Malvern Avenue, York.

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12:40pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Fat Harry says...

An arrogant motorist who thinks he's above the law?

Surely not!
An arrogant motorist who thinks he's above the law? Surely not! Fat Harry

1:29pm Wed 18 Dec 13

inthesticks says...

I agree completely with both letter writers.
I agree completely with both letter writers. inthesticks

2:04pm Wed 18 Dec 13

bolero says...

His arrogance will; I'm afraid; suffer a severe setback when he attends the course. People like him think they have chosen the easy way out by escaping a fine and spending a few hours on a course. Not from I have heard, because once inside the room where the course is held and the door is locked he will be unable to escape the verbal punishment which is dished out to these motoring criminals. And well deserved too you arrogant ******.
His arrogance will; I'm afraid; suffer a severe setback when he attends the course. People like him think they have chosen the easy way out by escaping a fine and spending a few hours on a course. Not from I have heard, because once inside the room where the course is held and the door is locked he will be unable to escape the verbal punishment which is dished out to these motoring criminals. And well deserved too you arrogant ******. bolero

7:16pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Mulgrave says...

bolero wrote:
His arrogance will; I'm afraid; suffer a severe setback when he attends the course. People like him think they have chosen the easy way out by escaping a fine and spending a few hours on a course. Not from I have heard, because once inside the room where the course is held and the door is locked he will be unable to escape the verbal punishment which is dished out to these motoring criminals. And well deserved too you arrogant ******.
Yes, the blacked out windows and soundproofing hastily installed at the local village hall give the game away ......and never, ever drink the tea
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: His arrogance will; I'm afraid; suffer a severe setback when he attends the course. People like him think they have chosen the easy way out by escaping a fine and spending a few hours on a course. Not from I have heard, because once inside the room where the course is held and the door is locked he will be unable to escape the verbal punishment which is dished out to these motoring criminals. And well deserved too you arrogant ******.[/p][/quote]Yes, the blacked out windows and soundproofing hastily installed at the local village hall give the game away ......and never, ever drink the tea Mulgrave

10:14pm Wed 18 Dec 13

bolero says...

Don't forget too that his name appended to his letter will no doubt have been well noted and connected with his forthcoming course attendance. Have a nice day now.
Don't forget too that his name appended to his letter will no doubt have been well noted and connected with his forthcoming course attendance. Have a nice day now. bolero

12:19am Thu 19 Dec 13

AnotherPointofView says...

bolero wrote:
His arrogance will; I'm afraid; suffer a severe setback when he attends the course. People like him think they have chosen the easy way out by escaping a fine and spending a few hours on a course. Not from I have heard, because once inside the room where the course is held and the door is locked he will be unable to escape the verbal punishment which is dished out to these motoring criminals. And well deserved too you arrogant ******.
What a load of tripe regarding the course!

One point made about the police camera van was that it was hidden behind the bridge on the bypass. If it's presence was truly about safety it would not be hidden in such a manner. It only shows it is more about revenue raising than safety.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: His arrogance will; I'm afraid; suffer a severe setback when he attends the course. People like him think they have chosen the easy way out by escaping a fine and spending a few hours on a course. Not from I have heard, because once inside the room where the course is held and the door is locked he will be unable to escape the verbal punishment which is dished out to these motoring criminals. And well deserved too you arrogant ******.[/p][/quote]What a load of tripe regarding the course! One point made about the police camera van was that it was hidden behind the bridge on the bypass. If it's presence was truly about safety it would not be hidden in such a manner. It only shows it is more about revenue raising than safety. AnotherPointofView

12:45am Thu 19 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
bolero wrote:
His arrogance will; I'm afraid; suffer a severe setback when he attends the course. People like him think they have chosen the easy way out by escaping a fine and spending a few hours on a course. Not from I have heard, because once inside the room where the course is held and the door is locked he will be unable to escape the verbal punishment which is dished out to these motoring criminals. And well deserved too you arrogant ******.
What a load of tripe regarding the course!

One point made about the police camera van was that it was hidden behind the bridge on the bypass. If it's presence was truly about safety it would not be hidden in such a manner. It only shows it is more about revenue raising than safety.
But if it was just about earning revenue then it wouldn't be covered in high-visibility battenberg markings - instead it would be black or painted like an Army truck.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: His arrogance will; I'm afraid; suffer a severe setback when he attends the course. People like him think they have chosen the easy way out by escaping a fine and spending a few hours on a course. Not from I have heard, because once inside the room where the course is held and the door is locked he will be unable to escape the verbal punishment which is dished out to these motoring criminals. And well deserved too you arrogant ******.[/p][/quote]What a load of tripe regarding the course! One point made about the police camera van was that it was hidden behind the bridge on the bypass. If it's presence was truly about safety it would not be hidden in such a manner. It only shows it is more about revenue raising than safety.[/p][/quote]But if it was just about earning revenue then it wouldn't be covered in high-visibility battenberg markings - instead it would be black or painted like an Army truck. Magicman!

10:11am Thu 19 Dec 13

Dr Brian says...

Also if it was merely about revenue earning why would the police advertise the fact that the speed cameras are at this location as they have? (The press carried a list of where these cameras are recently and I clearly remember this location being on that list).

He got caught and moans about getting caught but judging by the comments here there is little sympathy for Les Coverdale of Wiggington (Now I wonder what his press user name is when he comes on here trying to justify his actions LOL.
Also if it was merely about revenue earning why would the police advertise the fact that the speed cameras are at this location as they have? (The press carried a list of where these cameras are recently and I clearly remember this location being on that list). He got caught and moans about getting caught but judging by the comments here there is little sympathy for Les Coverdale of Wiggington (Now I wonder what his press user name is when he comes on here trying to justify his actions LOL. Dr Brian

10:12am Thu 19 Dec 13

Dr Brian says...

Whoops sorry Les I meant John Allan
Whoops sorry Les I meant John Allan Dr Brian

10:44am Thu 19 Dec 13

Mulgrave says...

If the three drivers in the 50 mph convoy thought they had no responsibility to assist in facilitating a safe overtaking manouevre by a faster vehicle they would have been mistaken.
If the three drivers in the 50 mph convoy thought they had no responsibility to assist in facilitating a safe overtaking manouevre by a faster vehicle they would have been mistaken. Mulgrave

10:45am Thu 19 Dec 13

Night Moves says...

I've been on a speed awareness course and they are very informative and despite being a driver of over 40 years standing I found it enlightening. They no not seek to punish and attribute blame, they really do try and educate.
With regard to visibility of these vans and their markings, that's an academic argument as the cameras used can see you from 999m away, long before you will even spot them with the naked eye, that's if you are even paying attention of course!
I've been on a speed awareness course and they are very informative and despite being a driver of over 40 years standing I found it enlightening. They no not seek to punish and attribute blame, they really do try and educate. With regard to visibility of these vans and their markings, that's an academic argument as the cameras used can see you from 999m away, long before you will even spot them with the naked eye, that's if you are even paying attention of course! Night Moves

11:06am Thu 19 Dec 13

bolero says...

Mulgrave wrote:
If the three drivers in the 50 mph convoy thought they had no responsibility to assist in facilitating a safe overtaking manouevre by a faster vehicle they would have been mistaken.
Can we have that again please in plain English?
[quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: If the three drivers in the 50 mph convoy thought they had no responsibility to assist in facilitating a safe overtaking manouevre by a faster vehicle they would have been mistaken.[/p][/quote]Can we have that again please in plain English? bolero

11:18am Thu 19 Dec 13

Mulgrave says...

bolero wrote:
Mulgrave wrote:
If the three drivers in the 50 mph convoy thought they had no responsibility to assist in facilitating a safe overtaking manouevre by a faster vehicle they would have been mistaken.
Can we have that again please in plain English?
Have a look at the highway code guidance on being overtaken bolero, then read the post again.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: If the three drivers in the 50 mph convoy thought they had no responsibility to assist in facilitating a safe overtaking manouevre by a faster vehicle they would have been mistaken.[/p][/quote]Can we have that again please in plain English?[/p][/quote]Have a look at the highway code guidance on being overtaken bolero, then read the post again. Mulgrave

9:20am Fri 20 Dec 13

mortandindi says...

I was caught doing 35 in a 30 limit in Cleveland and instead of getting the points I attended the awareness course. yes it was informative in certain respects but in others a total waste of time. The fact was that on the film they showed we were supposed to list as many hazards as we could...at the end the officers said there were 35 hazards... I listed 54!!! I requested that the film be re-run and pointed them out. At the end the officers admitted that there were an awful lot more than they had noticed themselves. This does not give the course any credibility whatsoever. This was only one of many inaccuracies on the course. I suggest that the police themselves attend as most of them would probably fail. As for overtaking two cars travelling at 50mph on a straight bit of road... whats the problem with that, if the roads clear get on with it. Some of the readers are quite pathetic.
I was caught doing 35 in a 30 limit in Cleveland and instead of getting the points I attended the awareness course. yes it was informative in certain respects but in others a total waste of time. The fact was that on the film they showed we were supposed to list as many hazards as we could...at the end the officers said there were 35 hazards... I listed 54!!! I requested that the film be re-run and pointed them out. At the end the officers admitted that there were an awful lot more than they had noticed themselves. This does not give the course any credibility whatsoever. This was only one of many inaccuracies on the course. I suggest that the police themselves attend as most of them would probably fail. As for overtaking two cars travelling at 50mph on a straight bit of road... whats the problem with that, if the roads clear get on with it. Some of the readers are quite pathetic. mortandindi

9:37am Fri 20 Dec 13

Mulgrave says...

A very interesting story on Yorks/Lincolnshire Look North, a wide main road into Grimsby which has a 30mph limit and has strong support on the local council for actually being increased to 40mph has had average speed cameras fitted, and has resulted in a volume of penalty notices which could give Lendal Bridge a run for its money - one of them being to the Humberside Crime Commissioner who accepted the offer of a speed awareness course (The Humberside deputy Crime Commissioner was recently clocked at 90mph in a 70mph limit, a speed which is deemed too fast to make the driver eligible to be educated and so that resulted in a FPN with 3 points).
A very interesting story on Yorks/Lincolnshire Look North, a wide main road into Grimsby which has a 30mph limit and has strong support on the local council for actually being increased to 40mph has had average speed cameras fitted, and has resulted in a volume of penalty notices which could give Lendal Bridge a run for its money - one of them being to the Humberside Crime Commissioner who accepted the offer of a speed awareness course (The Humberside deputy Crime Commissioner was recently clocked at 90mph in a 70mph limit, a speed which is deemed too fast to make the driver eligible to be educated and so that resulted in a FPN with 3 points). Mulgrave

10:39am Fri 20 Dec 13

The Great Buda says...

Mulgrave wrote:
bolero wrote:
Mulgrave wrote:
If the three drivers in the 50 mph convoy thought they had no responsibility to assist in facilitating a safe overtaking manouevre by a faster vehicle they would have been mistaken.
Can we have that again please in plain English?
Have a look at the highway code guidance on being overtaken bolero, then read the post again.
Quite right.

The person being over-taken must do everything they can to help and assist the person over-taking. There was a case in this paper not long ago where a car been over-taken actually sped up and helped cause a head-on crash. Sadly some people take been over-taken as some kind of insult.
[quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: If the three drivers in the 50 mph convoy thought they had no responsibility to assist in facilitating a safe overtaking manouevre by a faster vehicle they would have been mistaken.[/p][/quote]Can we have that again please in plain English?[/p][/quote]Have a look at the highway code guidance on being overtaken bolero, then read the post again.[/p][/quote]Quite right. The person being over-taken must do everything they can to help and assist the person over-taking. There was a case in this paper not long ago where a car been over-taken actually sped up and helped cause a head-on crash. Sadly some people take been over-taken as some kind of insult. The Great Buda

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