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York Press: The flooded seafront at Scarborough last week The flooded seafront at Scarborough last week

I WOULD not describe myself as a “climate-change zealot”, but nor do I need to be one to explain to Geoff Robb (Letters, December 7) that the recent storm surge, the worst since 1953, is not the result of climate change. It is due to what we call “weather”.

Storm surges come from a combination of low barometric pressure, which causes the sea to rise, storm force winds, and high tides. They are not rare. There have been at least six in the Bristol Channel over the past three decades. But they vary in intensity. The conditions in 1953 and 2013 were exceptionally severe.

Climate change affects weather, but its influence on sea levels is not due to exceptional one-off storms. It is caused by the gradual melting of ice in the Arctic and Antarctic, and in glaciers around the world. It is a long-term phenomenon, and a major threat to low-lying coastal areas around the globe.

Mr Robb is confusing two different things, weather and climate.

Peter Hollindale, Grange Garth, York.

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11:34am Wed 11 Dec 13

The Great Buda says...

Mr Robb was just looking for an excuse to roll his bandwagon out again.

A good letter Mr Hollindale, the usual flat-earthers will be along with their impressive paragraphs that say very little.
Mr Robb was just looking for an excuse to roll his bandwagon out again. A good letter Mr Hollindale, the usual flat-earthers will be along with their impressive paragraphs that say very little. The Great Buda

2:06pm Wed 11 Dec 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Wrong Buda (James) I'm going to say much in a minimum number of words.

Of course Peter, there is natural summer ice melt but the Polar regions are actually increasing their Ice extent. Recently was found a new record low temperature in Antarctica. How do you square that with warming and melting? Remember the IPCC's 2007 report stating that the Himalayan glaciers could melt by 2035, the same report suggested that the Arctic could be Ice free by Summer 2013, well that didn't happen either!
These climate clowns don't like satellite data because there is no room to corrupt the data.
Take a look at the full link provided to see how Arctic Ice, just like Antarctic ice has increased in the past year. But always remember that Arctic ice is subject to Ocean currents and that is another subject.
Summer Arctic ice melt is at maximum extent during August so the comparisons should say it all to most but the cooling deniers! Forget the propaganda, lets stick to the proven facts.

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PS: Sorry I couldn't find these pictures in the Guardian..
Wrong Buda (James) I'm going to say much in a minimum number of words. Of course Peter, there is natural summer ice melt but the Polar regions are actually increasing their Ice extent. Recently was found a new record low temperature in Antarctica. How do you square that with warming and melting? Remember the IPCC's 2007 report stating that the Himalayan glaciers could melt by 2035, the same report suggested that the Arctic could be Ice free by Summer 2013, well that didn't happen either! These climate clowns don't like satellite data because there is no room to corrupt the data. Take a look at the full link provided to see how Arctic Ice, just like Antarctic ice has increased in the past year. But always remember that Arctic ice is subject to Ocean currents and that is another subject. Summer Arctic ice melt is at maximum extent during August so the comparisons should say it all to most but the cooling deniers! Forget the propaganda, lets stick to the proven facts. https://www.google.c o.uk/url?q=http://ww w.foxnews.com/scienc e/2013/09/09/arctic- sea-ice-up-60-percen t-in-2013/&sa=U&ei=4 HCoUrHvCbPe7Abyw4G4D Q&ved=0CCwQFjAE&sig2 =7k4v_c3tXRKDbmJt-FT Bwg&usg=AFQjCNERZ9Tb ctsSBdvL174BNZyXHGl0 ow PS: Sorry I couldn't find these pictures in the Guardian.. ColdAsChristmas

2:48pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Jonthan says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Wrong Buda (James) I'm going to say much in a minimum number of words.

Of course Peter, there is natural summer ice melt but the Polar regions are actually increasing their Ice extent. Recently was found a new record low temperature in Antarctica. How do you square that with warming and melting? Remember the IPCC's 2007 report stating that the Himalayan glaciers could melt by 2035, the same report suggested that the Arctic could be Ice free by Summer 2013, well that didn't happen either!
These climate clowns don't like satellite data because there is no room to corrupt the data.
Take a look at the full link provided to see how Arctic Ice, just like Antarctic ice has increased in the past year. But always remember that Arctic ice is subject to Ocean currents and that is another subject.
Summer Arctic ice melt is at maximum extent during August so the comparisons should say it all to most but the cooling deniers! Forget the propaganda, lets stick to the proven facts.

https://www.google.c

o.uk/url?q=http://ww

w.foxnews.com/scienc

e/2013/09/09/arctic-

sea-ice-up-60-percen

t-in-2013/&sa=U&
amp;ei=4
HCoUrHvCbPe7Abyw4G4D

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amp;sig2
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Z9Tb
ctsSBdvL174BNZyXHGl0

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PS: Sorry I couldn't find these pictures in the Guardian..
Before anyone bothers to open this mind-softener, I note from the URL that it is from Fox News.

So it's out of the same Murdoch stable as the Sun (remember their vile lies about the Hillsborough crowd were pickpocketing the dead and urinating on the police) and the News of the World, who have paid damages for libelling Shiela Gascoigne, Tessa Jowell, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie and Neil Hamilton, before they were forced to close down for hacking phones, including that of a murdered child. A batch of their directors are on trial at present on a whole raft of charges.

Nice to know that ColdAs only offers info from impeccably reliable sources
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Wrong Buda (James) I'm going to say much in a minimum number of words. Of course Peter, there is natural summer ice melt but the Polar regions are actually increasing their Ice extent. Recently was found a new record low temperature in Antarctica. How do you square that with warming and melting? Remember the IPCC's 2007 report stating that the Himalayan glaciers could melt by 2035, the same report suggested that the Arctic could be Ice free by Summer 2013, well that didn't happen either! These climate clowns don't like satellite data because there is no room to corrupt the data. Take a look at the full link provided to see how Arctic Ice, just like Antarctic ice has increased in the past year. But always remember that Arctic ice is subject to Ocean currents and that is another subject. Summer Arctic ice melt is at maximum extent during August so the comparisons should say it all to most but the cooling deniers! Forget the propaganda, lets stick to the proven facts. https://www.google.c o.uk/url?q=http://ww w.foxnews.com/scienc e/2013/09/09/arctic- sea-ice-up-60-percen t-in-2013/&sa=U& amp;ei=4 HCoUrHvCbPe7Abyw4G4D Q&ved=0CCwQFjAE& amp;sig2 =7k4v_c3tXRKDbmJt-FT Bwg&usg=AFQjCNER Z9Tb ctsSBdvL174BNZyXHGl0 ow PS: Sorry I couldn't find these pictures in the Guardian..[/p][/quote]Before anyone bothers to open this mind-softener, I note from the URL that it is from Fox News. So it's out of the same Murdoch stable as the Sun (remember their vile lies about the Hillsborough crowd were pickpocketing the dead and urinating on the police) and the News of the World, who have paid damages for libelling Shiela Gascoigne, Tessa Jowell, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie and Neil Hamilton, before they were forced to close down for hacking phones, including that of a murdered child. A batch of their directors are on trial at present on a whole raft of charges. Nice to know that ColdAs only offers info from impeccably reliable sources Jonthan

12:18am Thu 12 Dec 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Jonthan WT* has phone hacking got to do with these satellite images available on many other sites.
The game is all but up for you and not before time either.
Jonthan WT* has phone hacking got to do with these satellite images available on many other sites. The game is all but up for you and not before time either. ColdAsChristmas

1:21am Thu 12 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

A very reasonable letter... too many people confuse 'climate' and 'weather', including the BBC.
A very reasonable letter... too many people confuse 'climate' and 'weather', including the BBC. Magicman!

8:44am Thu 12 Dec 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Jonthan WT* has phone hacking got to do with these satellite images available on many other sites. The game is all but up for you and not before time either.
Dude, "WTF" already softens the expression. There's no need to star out the "F" in "WTF"
Have to admit I genuinely LOLed at that :)
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Jonthan WT* has phone hacking got to do with these satellite images available on many other sites. The game is all but up for you and not before time either.[/p][/quote]Dude, "WTF" already softens the expression. There's no need to star out the "F" in "WTF" Have to admit I genuinely LOLed at that :) Buzzz Light-year

10:54am Thu 12 Dec 13

Jonthan says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Jonthan WT* has phone hacking got to do with these satellite images available on many other sites.
The game is all but up for you and not before time either.
Don't forget our bet. On 4th Dec at 7.59 pm you asserted that after the Lendal bridge review, it will be open 12 hours daily, "or even 24/7"

I accept your offer to apologise if you are right. I ask again, will you apologise if and when you are proved wrong?
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Jonthan WT* has phone hacking got to do with these satellite images available on many other sites. The game is all but up for you and not before time either.[/p][/quote]Don't forget our bet. On 4th Dec at 7.59 pm you asserted that after the Lendal bridge review, it will be open 12 hours daily, "or even 24/7" I accept your offer to apologise if you are right. I ask again, will you apologise if and when you are proved wrong? Jonthan

2:58pm Thu 12 Dec 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Jonthan, I always stand by my word.
I have the same deal with regard to the global warming scam with Owen C. He no longer posts as Owen C.
I'll not be doing a cyber runner though!
Just remember, it could be April or so before that decision is made regards the bridge. The current rules will stand until then.
Jonthan, I always stand by my word. I have the same deal with regard to the global warming scam with Owen C. He no longer posts as Owen C. I'll not be doing a cyber runner though! Just remember, it could be April or so before that decision is made regards the bridge. The current rules will stand until then. ColdAsChristmas

5:08pm Thu 12 Dec 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Oh and Jonthan, check out:

save santa's home,org

It's on a lot of sites but this one is direct to Green sleaze. (So no sidetrack off topic rants from you)
Frightening little children is what this is all about, keeping them, like Santa, in the dark.
And Buzz LY: I put the * in because it is mostly children that believe in this scam. They only know what the establishment tell them. Not developed enough to work it out for themselves just yet.
Oh and Jonthan, check out: save santa's home,org It's on a lot of sites but this one is direct to Green sleaze. (So no sidetrack off topic rants from you) Frightening little children is what this is all about, keeping them, like Santa, in the dark. And Buzz LY: I put the * in because it is mostly children that believe in this scam. They only know what the establishment tell them. Not developed enough to work it out for themselves just yet. ColdAsChristmas

11:09am Fri 13 Dec 13

Temburong says...

I think I'd rather trust the findings of 'Climate Change Zealots' like the Royal Society and NASA rather than the opinions of FOX news.
I think I'd rather trust the findings of 'Climate Change Zealots' like the Royal Society and NASA rather than the opinions of FOX news. Temburong

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