Who should pay?

York Press: Who should pay? Who should pay?

I FAIL to understand as to why employers should pay staff for bereavement leave. It would be especially hard on smaller employers and a total nightmare for larger ones.

As I found at the loss of my dear husband and only living close relative, my brother, a year later, that the discipline of work and normality were the answer to carry on.

Who is going to give an employer paid leave? Who dreams up these ideas has obviously never been an employer or they would not be so glib at the suggesting such.

We all feel sympathy at other’s loss and our own, but common sense must prevail.

Pamela Z Frankland, Lodge Farm, Hull Road, Dunnington, York.

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11:35am Fri 6 Dec 13

GotOutOfIt says...

Most decent Companys give paid berevement leave already, usually for 3 days. It is usually offered as one of the 'perks' of working for them.
Most decent Companys give paid berevement leave already, usually for 3 days. It is usually offered as one of the 'perks' of working for them. GotOutOfIt

1:20pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

Pamela Frankland ended her last letter with "We blah blah blah but common sense must prevail."
Is this a new thing? Catchphrase correspondence?
Pamela Frankland ended her last letter with "We blah blah blah but common sense must prevail." Is this a new thing? Catchphrase correspondence? Buzzz Light-year

2:25pm Fri 6 Dec 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

If there was any common sense about this City we wouldn't be having Lendal Bridge resriccted since last August.
Bereavement leave, paid or unpaid is something any business or organisation needs to make provision for. We all have had two parents and four grand parents that may or may not be alive at the time of employment.
However, it can get a bit expensive if the said employee is the younger of say a dozen children! Ever thought about that in an overpopulated world?
If there was any common sense about this City we wouldn't be having Lendal Bridge resriccted since last August. Bereavement leave, paid or unpaid is something any business or organisation needs to make provision for. We all have had two parents and four grand parents that may or may not be alive at the time of employment. However, it can get a bit expensive if the said employee is the younger of say a dozen children! Ever thought about that in an overpopulated world? ColdAsChristmas

3:03pm Fri 6 Dec 13

sheps lad says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pamela Frankland ended her last letter with "We blah blah blah but common sense must prevail."
Is this a new thing? Catchphrase correspondence?
Sorry Buzzz but you lost me there!
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Pamela Frankland ended her last letter with "We blah blah blah but common sense must prevail." Is this a new thing? Catchphrase correspondence?[/p][/quote]Sorry Buzzz but you lost me there! sheps lad

4:05pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Sillybillies says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pamela Frankland ended her last letter with "We blah blah blah but common sense must prevail."
Is this a new thing? Catchphrase correspondence?
Having problems understanding plain English again, have you sought help for your lack of comprehension of very valid points and matters worthy of discussion?

The writer is quite right, as well as avoiding employing women of child bearing age, and their husbands/partners, should businesses also avoid anyone whose parents are still alive, or insist on the production of good health certificates for their kith and kin?
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Pamela Frankland ended her last letter with "We blah blah blah but common sense must prevail." Is this a new thing? Catchphrase correspondence?[/p][/quote]Having problems understanding plain English again, have you sought help for your lack of comprehension of very valid points and matters worthy of discussion? The writer is quite right, as well as avoiding employing women of child bearing age, and their husbands/partners, should businesses also avoid anyone whose parents are still alive, or insist on the production of good health certificates for their kith and kin? Sillybillies

6:21pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

sheps lad wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote: Pamela Frankland ended her last letter with "We blah blah blah but common sense must prevail." Is this a new thing? Catchphrase correspondence?
Sorry Buzzz but you lost me there!
At the end of her "Nation of wimps" letter from yesterday, she finished with "...but common sense must prevail"

In this one today she ends with "...but common sense must prevail"

I wondered if it was going to be her catchphrase from now on and whether other correspondents would jump on the catchphrase bandwagon.
[quote][p][bold]sheps lad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Pamela Frankland ended her last letter with "We blah blah blah but common sense must prevail." Is this a new thing? Catchphrase correspondence?[/p][/quote]Sorry Buzzz but you lost me there![/p][/quote]At the end of her "Nation of wimps" letter from yesterday, she finished with "...but common sense must prevail" In this one today she ends with "...but common sense must prevail" I wondered if it was going to be her catchphrase from now on and whether other correspondents would jump on the catchphrase bandwagon. Buzzz Light-year

6:38pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Buzzz Light-year says...

Sillybillies wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote: Pamela Frankland ended her last letter with "We blah blah blah but common sense must prevail." Is this a new thing? Catchphrase correspondence?
Having problems understanding plain English again, have you sought help for your lack of comprehension of very valid points and matters worthy of discussion? The writer is quite right, as well as avoiding employing women of child bearing age, and their husbands/partners, should businesses also avoid anyone whose parents are still alive, or insist on the production of good health certificates for their kith and kin?
Y'know it's funny.
We don't see anything from you SB for ages and then in the last few days you're all over the site. And every post you make is either directed negatively at me or contains a hilarious "arrogant cyclists" type comment which directly relates to that ridiculous confrontation you tried to have with me a few days ago.

You sure are desperate to get a rise and you really, really feel personal bitterness towards me. I find that incredible. That someone can be so upset by comments on a website.

For someone who fails as often and as badly as you, you sure are a bad loser.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Pamela Frankland ended her last letter with "We blah blah blah but common sense must prevail." Is this a new thing? Catchphrase correspondence?[/p][/quote]Having problems understanding plain English again, have you sought help for your lack of comprehension of very valid points and matters worthy of discussion? The writer is quite right, as well as avoiding employing women of child bearing age, and their husbands/partners, should businesses also avoid anyone whose parents are still alive, or insist on the production of good health certificates for their kith and kin?[/p][/quote]Y'know it's funny. We don't see anything from you SB for ages and then in the last few days you're all over the site. And every post you make is either directed negatively at me or contains a hilarious "arrogant cyclists" type comment which directly relates to that ridiculous confrontation you tried to have with me a few days ago. You sure are desperate to get a rise and you really, really feel personal bitterness towards me. I find that incredible. That someone can be so upset by comments on a website. For someone who fails as often and as badly as you, you sure are a bad loser. Buzzz Light-year

7:59pm Fri 6 Dec 13

sheps lad says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
sheps lad wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote: Pamela Frankland ended her last letter with "We blah blah blah but common sense must prevail." Is this a new thing? Catchphrase correspondence?
Sorry Buzzz but you lost me there!
At the end of her "Nation of wimps" letter from yesterday, she finished with "...but common sense must prevail"

In this one today she ends with "...but common sense must prevail"

I wondered if it was going to be her catchphrase from now on and whether other correspondents would jump on the catchphrase bandwagon.
Oh right! Gotcha!
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sheps lad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Pamela Frankland ended her last letter with "We blah blah blah but common sense must prevail." Is this a new thing? Catchphrase correspondence?[/p][/quote]Sorry Buzzz but you lost me there![/p][/quote]At the end of her "Nation of wimps" letter from yesterday, she finished with "...but common sense must prevail" In this one today she ends with "...but common sense must prevail" I wondered if it was going to be her catchphrase from now on and whether other correspondents would jump on the catchphrase bandwagon.[/p][/quote]Oh right! Gotcha! sheps lad

12:57am Sat 7 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

Oh come on - now I KNOW Pamela Z Frankland is a Tory supporter... Two days ago she said people "were dying because they were weak", and now she's saying "people shouldn't mourn but just get on with work".

Callous b***h.
Oh come on - now I KNOW Pamela Z Frankland is a Tory supporter... Two days ago she said people "were dying because they were weak", and now she's saying "people shouldn't mourn but just get on with work". Callous b***h. Magicman!

1:03am Sat 7 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

Here's an example why Bereavement Leave is given: a person is married and their spouse gets a good job that requires a relocation to the other end of the country away from the parents; the couple then have a child but the father then beds another woman and leaves the wife on her own on benefits and no means of moving back to her parents. Several years later both parents die at the same time.... now that woman is left to sort out the funeral, all the legal and financial stuff, clearing the parents house and selling it, amongst other things. Bereavement leave is there so people can sort out such affaris and know their employer is still supporting them "as a valued member of the team", to use corporate speak. Company Girls like Pamela Z Frankland just wouldn't understand that.
Here's an example why Bereavement Leave is given: a person is married and their spouse gets a good job that requires a relocation to the other end of the country away from the parents; the couple then have a child but the father then beds another woman and leaves the wife on her own on benefits and no means of moving back to her parents. Several years later both parents die at the same time.... now that woman is left to sort out the funeral, all the legal and financial stuff, clearing the parents house and selling it, amongst other things. Bereavement leave is there so people can sort out such affaris and know their employer is still supporting them "as a valued member of the team", to use corporate speak. Company Girls like Pamela Z Frankland just wouldn't understand that. Magicman!

11:16am Sat 7 Dec 13

Fat Harry says...

Bereavement leave isn't about swanning around feeling sorry for yourself Mrs Frankland. It's about sorting the dear departed's property, will, and funeral.

My own example: My employer let me have paid leave to sit by my mothers hospital bed for four days while we waited for her to die. Then we had her funeral to organise, her will to execute and her house to empty of all possessions, make fit for the next tenant and return the keys to the council within 14 days. That would have been impossible without my employer allowing me further days off beyond its published policy.

Bosses employ us to make profit from our efforts - losing a few days makes very little impact on the profit they extract over a lifetime, but earns a huge amount of goodwill at the most difficult time in someone's life.
Bereavement leave isn't about swanning around feeling sorry for yourself Mrs Frankland. It's about sorting the dear departed's property, will, and funeral. My own example: My employer let me have paid leave to sit by my mothers hospital bed for four days while we waited for her to die. Then we had her funeral to organise, her will to execute and her house to empty of all possessions, make fit for the next tenant and return the keys to the council within 14 days. That would have been impossible without my employer allowing me further days off beyond its published policy. Bosses employ us to make profit from our efforts - losing a few days makes very little impact on the profit they extract over a lifetime, but earns a huge amount of goodwill at the most difficult time in someone's life. Fat Harry

4:15pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Golden wonder says...

I bet Pamela Z Frankland has never worked for anybody by the sounds of it! Glad she isn't my boss.
I bet Pamela Z Frankland has never worked for anybody by the sounds of it! Glad she isn't my boss. Golden wonder

6:53pm Sat 7 Dec 13

inthesticks says...

I know someone who`s young child just died. Should I feel bitter that she is not going to pull her weight at work for a while?
Glad I don`t.
I have never taken leave for a loved one dying but I`m glad I don`t think like you Pamela and glad my common sense isn`t the same as yours.
I know someone who`s young child just died. Should I feel bitter that she is not going to pull her weight at work for a while? Glad I don`t. I have never taken leave for a loved one dying but I`m glad I don`t think like you Pamela and glad my common sense isn`t the same as yours. inthesticks

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