Time to speak up for an air museum

York Press: . .

COUN James Alexander has announced the former Airspeed factory in Piccadilly is likely to become a “four-star hotel with business conferencing facilities” (The Press, November 28).

By making this announcement now, Coun Alexander effectively pre-empts further discussion about the future of the building.

Where does this leave the Air Museum’s popular proposal of a museum commemorating an unlikely piece of York history?

The building is a nomination on the Local List because of its associations with early aircraft manufacture and Neville Shute Norway, which means that when the List is adopted, the character and significance of the building will become material considerations in planning decisions taken about its future.

Since it is evident its character and significance will not lend themselves to a future as a hotel and conference centre, the inescapable conclusion is that it will be demolished and a new building erected in its place.

The director of the Elvington Museum has said their bid for the site has been overwhelmed by public support. This looks like another example of Cllr Alexander’s cavalier disregard for public opinion to me, and anyone who supports the Airspeed museum scheme is urged to say so now.

Alison Sinclair, Norfolk Street, York.

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11:47am Wed 4 Dec 13

rking1977 says...

I'm sure the council's policy of 'frustrate people into political apathy by systematically ignoring public opinion' will prevail once again.
I'm sure the council's policy of 'frustrate people into political apathy by systematically ignoring public opinion' will prevail once again. rking1977

12:08pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

rking1977 wrote:
I'm sure the council's policy of 'frustrate people into political apathy by systematically ignoring public opinion' will prevail once again.
Lets hope that by 2015, York voters will show that they have had enough of the Labour administration and the senior officers who are clearly 'peas in a pod'.

York needs to be ruled by those who pledge to restore an open, fair and transparent, democracy, with a vow to stamp out politicisation of officers and the spin culture which is manifest in everything the council does.
[quote][p][bold]rking1977[/bold] wrote: I'm sure the council's policy of 'frustrate people into political apathy by systematically ignoring public opinion' will prevail once again.[/p][/quote]Lets hope that by 2015, York voters will show that they have had enough of the Labour administration and the senior officers who are clearly 'peas in a pod'. York needs to be ruled by those who pledge to restore an open, fair and transparent, democracy, with a vow to stamp out politicisation of officers and the spin culture which is manifest in everything the council does. Rocking Horse

12:15pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Jonthan says...

Does anyone seriously think there is a future for this crumbling windowless eyesore with its dangerous asbestos roof?

The Piccadilly area has been blighted for years by the proposal to build a new shopping centre on the Clifford's Tower car park. Now that the scheme has been abandoned, work is already under way on the former White Swan Hotel, and there is the prospect of improving the whole area, and as part of the development the Reynards building should be demolished before it collapses.

By all means commemorate the connection with Neville Shute, but lets be realistic about the way of doing it.
Does anyone seriously think there is a future for this crumbling windowless eyesore with its dangerous asbestos roof? The Piccadilly area has been blighted for years by the proposal to build a new shopping centre on the Clifford's Tower car park. Now that the scheme has been abandoned, work is already under way on the former White Swan Hotel, and there is the prospect of improving the whole area, and as part of the development the Reynards building should be demolished before it collapses. By all means commemorate the connection with Neville Shute, but lets be realistic about the way of doing it. Jonthan

12:46pm Wed 4 Dec 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

It is already clear that Alexander has no respect for York's history. I hope the Air museum are successful but they will need all the support they can get to get through to a Council not listening.
It is already clear that Alexander has no respect for York's history. I hope the Air museum are successful but they will need all the support they can get to get through to a Council not listening. ColdAsChristmas

2:25pm Wed 4 Dec 13

pedalling paul says...

There is a convention that Councillors who serve on a Planning Committee must not publicly comment on any application within their Ward, until the application has been determined. It will be extremely helpful to the decision making process, if other Councillors, especially a Leader, can follow the same convention. That will avoid pre-empting the Planning Committee's final decision.
There is a convention that Councillors who serve on a Planning Committee must not publicly comment on any application within their Ward, until the application has been determined. It will be extremely helpful to the decision making process, if other Councillors, especially a Leader, can follow the same convention. That will avoid pre-empting the Planning Committee's final decision. pedalling paul

6:31pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Jonthan says...

Rocking Horse wrote:
rking1977 wrote:
I'm sure the council's policy of 'frustrate people into political apathy by systematically ignoring public opinion' will prevail once again.
Lets hope that by 2015, York voters will show that they have had enough of the Labour administration and the senior officers who are clearly 'peas in a pod'.

York needs to be ruled by those who pledge to restore an open, fair and transparent, democracy, with a vow to stamp out politicisation of officers and the spin culture which is manifest in everything the council does.
Yes Matthew, But have you anything to say about the subject in hand?
[quote][p][bold]Rocking Horse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rking1977[/bold] wrote: I'm sure the council's policy of 'frustrate people into political apathy by systematically ignoring public opinion' will prevail once again.[/p][/quote]Lets hope that by 2015, York voters will show that they have had enough of the Labour administration and the senior officers who are clearly 'peas in a pod'. York needs to be ruled by those who pledge to restore an open, fair and transparent, democracy, with a vow to stamp out politicisation of officers and the spin culture which is manifest in everything the council does.[/p][/quote]Yes Matthew, But have you anything to say about the subject in hand? Jonthan

11:31pm Wed 4 Dec 13

city_view says...

Jonthan wrote:
Does anyone seriously think there is a future for this crumbling windowless eyesore with its dangerous asbestos roof?

The Piccadilly area has been blighted for years by the proposal to build a new shopping centre on the Clifford's Tower car park. Now that the scheme has been abandoned, work is already under way on the former White Swan Hotel, and there is the prospect of improving the whole area, and as part of the development the Reynards building should be demolished before it collapses.

By all means commemorate the connection with Neville Shute, but lets be realistic about the way of doing it.
The writer of this letter writer obviously knows what she's talking about, and has knowledge of York's history and heritage.

Jonthan, it's clear from comments on this story and others that you're a devoted supporter of anything James Alexander and friends suggest. I hope they reward you for your loyalty.

The city is full of buildings containing asbestos, you perhaps live in one. It was a very common building material. We're not stupid enough to fall for that and accept demolition.

The connection with Mr Shute is just part of it. The bigger picture is that this building is significant in terms of wider 20th century (aviation) history/industrial heritage.

I hope residents of York and people further afield who care about the preservation of our 20th century history ignore Jonthan's comments. Alison Sinclair knows what she's talking about on this. Jonthan doesn't.
[quote][p][bold]Jonthan[/bold] wrote: Does anyone seriously think there is a future for this crumbling windowless eyesore with its dangerous asbestos roof? The Piccadilly area has been blighted for years by the proposal to build a new shopping centre on the Clifford's Tower car park. Now that the scheme has been abandoned, work is already under way on the former White Swan Hotel, and there is the prospect of improving the whole area, and as part of the development the Reynards building should be demolished before it collapses. By all means commemorate the connection with Neville Shute, but lets be realistic about the way of doing it.[/p][/quote]The writer of this letter writer obviously knows what she's talking about, and has knowledge of York's history and heritage. Jonthan, it's clear from comments on this story and others that you're a devoted supporter of anything James Alexander and friends suggest. I hope they reward you for your loyalty. The city is full of buildings containing asbestos, you perhaps live in one. It was a very common building material. We're not stupid enough to fall for that and accept demolition. The connection with Mr Shute is just part of it. The bigger picture is that this building is significant in terms of wider 20th century (aviation) history/industrial heritage. I hope residents of York and people further afield who care about the preservation of our 20th century history ignore Jonthan's comments. Alison Sinclair knows what she's talking about on this. Jonthan doesn't. city_view

11:58pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Lunatic says...

York's heritage is fantastic. But one cannot live in the past forever. Not everything can or even should be saved. The future is more important.

Jonthan has the right idea.
York's heritage is fantastic. But one cannot live in the past forever. Not everything can or even should be saved. The future is more important. Jonthan has the right idea. Lunatic

1:57am Thu 5 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

This council seems to have a Hotel Fetish.


York could do with another type of transport museum. Up in Sunderland, an air museum is being expanded to also house a transport collection (which does include a fair number of ex-Blackpool trams).... perhaps here in York we could do similar, expand the air musem to also include a few vintage buses and trams (to go along with the railway museum); there's private people around York who have preserved vehicles, and a bloke near Halifax somewhere even has an old Bradford trolleybus lying around gathering dust (I've seen it from the Transpennine train to manchester). Places knows as 'heritage running lines' such as the Heaton Park tramway seem to be experiencing an increase in visitor numbers, which might suggest an increasing interest in vintage transport that is widening beyond the traditional stereotypical 'anorack', and having an old tram or trolleybus running around a half-mile route could bring more visitors to the city.
This council seems to have a Hotel Fetish. York could do with another type of transport museum. Up in Sunderland, an air museum is being expanded to also house a transport collection (which does include a fair number of ex-Blackpool trams).... perhaps here in York we could do similar, expand the air musem to also include a few vintage buses and trams (to go along with the railway museum); there's private people around York who have preserved vehicles, and a bloke near Halifax somewhere even has an old Bradford trolleybus lying around gathering dust (I've seen it from the Transpennine train to manchester). Places knows as 'heritage running lines' such as the Heaton Park tramway seem to be experiencing an increase in visitor numbers, which might suggest an increasing interest in vintage transport that is widening beyond the traditional stereotypical 'anorack', and having an old tram or trolleybus running around a half-mile route could bring more visitors to the city. Magicman!

9:13am Thu 5 Dec 13

Jonthan says...

city_view wrote:
Jonthan wrote:
Does anyone seriously think there is a future for this crumbling windowless eyesore with its dangerous asbestos roof?

The Piccadilly area has been blighted for years by the proposal to build a new shopping centre on the Clifford's Tower car park. Now that the scheme has been abandoned, work is already under way on the former White Swan Hotel, and there is the prospect of improving the whole area, and as part of the development the Reynards building should be demolished before it collapses.

By all means commemorate the connection with Neville Shute, but lets be realistic about the way of doing it.
The writer of this letter writer obviously knows what she's talking about, and has knowledge of York's history and heritage.

Jonthan, it's clear from comments on this story and others that you're a devoted supporter of anything James Alexander and friends suggest. I hope they reward you for your loyalty.

The city is full of buildings containing asbestos, you perhaps live in one. It was a very common building material. We're not stupid enough to fall for that and accept demolition.

The connection with Mr Shute is just part of it. The bigger picture is that this building is significant in terms of wider 20th century (aviation) history/industrial heritage.

I hope residents of York and people further afield who care about the preservation of our 20th century history ignore Jonthan's comments. Alison Sinclair knows what she's talking about on this. Jonthan doesn't.
Extraordinarily bad judgement on your part City. I am anti Labour but I try to be realistic about what is going on in the city.
For the record I hope that Hugh Bayley, who broke his word over the Iraq invasion, loses his seat at the next election and I will be campsigning against him. Moreover I advise all of James Alexanders constituents to vote him out next time round for his poor leadership qualities.

City's misreading of my politics reflects badly on the value of his views on other matters.
[quote][p][bold]city_view[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonthan[/bold] wrote: Does anyone seriously think there is a future for this crumbling windowless eyesore with its dangerous asbestos roof? The Piccadilly area has been blighted for years by the proposal to build a new shopping centre on the Clifford's Tower car park. Now that the scheme has been abandoned, work is already under way on the former White Swan Hotel, and there is the prospect of improving the whole area, and as part of the development the Reynards building should be demolished before it collapses. By all means commemorate the connection with Neville Shute, but lets be realistic about the way of doing it.[/p][/quote]The writer of this letter writer obviously knows what she's talking about, and has knowledge of York's history and heritage. Jonthan, it's clear from comments on this story and others that you're a devoted supporter of anything James Alexander and friends suggest. I hope they reward you for your loyalty. The city is full of buildings containing asbestos, you perhaps live in one. It was a very common building material. We're not stupid enough to fall for that and accept demolition. The connection with Mr Shute is just part of it. The bigger picture is that this building is significant in terms of wider 20th century (aviation) history/industrial heritage. I hope residents of York and people further afield who care about the preservation of our 20th century history ignore Jonthan's comments. Alison Sinclair knows what she's talking about on this. Jonthan doesn't.[/p][/quote]Extraordinarily bad judgement on your part City. I am anti Labour but I try to be realistic about what is going on in the city. For the record I hope that Hugh Bayley, who broke his word over the Iraq invasion, loses his seat at the next election and I will be campsigning against him. Moreover I advise all of James Alexanders constituents to vote him out next time round for his poor leadership qualities. City's misreading of my politics reflects badly on the value of his views on other matters. Jonthan

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