Rumour... and denial

York Press: . .

I BELIEVE it to be more than a rumour about the closure of Lendal Bridge (Letters, December 2).

It is only since the opening of the new council palace that these punitive restrictions have been imposed. The only way the council could offload the old council offices was to assure the purchasers that they would stem the flow of traffic outside one way or another. In doing so, they have created a haven for their new place of work and hell for the rest of York.

Due to the Lendal Bridge closure, the traffic has been pushed all around, drivers have had to find an alternative route and the traffic in my street has trebled. Due to restricted movement in my street, vehicles drive on the grass verges and have made a dreadful mess in doing so.

I dread to think of the volume of traffic we will experience when the house building begins on the old grain stores in Water Lane.

Tony Feetenby, Burdyke Avenue, Clifton, York.

 

• In response to the letter of December 2, City of York Council’s offices in St Leonard’s Place were sold as far back as 2007, and is set to become a high-class hotel.

Although the Lendal Bridge traffic trial restriction is part of the wider city’s transport plans, which were published and agreed in April 2011, the six-month trial did not begin until August this year. It’s also important to note that there is no connection to the trial and the proposed new hotel.

To find out more about the trial please visit: york.gov.uk/citycentreimprovements

Mike Slater, Assistant director of planning and sustainable development, City of York Council.

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1:08pm Wed 4 Dec 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Tony must have hit the nail on the head to have a ready response from Mr Slater.
Tony must have hit the nail on the head to have a ready response from Mr Slater. ColdAsChristmas

2:47pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Ichabod76 says...

Maybe Mike Slater could tell us when planning was given for it to become a high class hotel, was it between April 2011 and August 2013 ?

Mike Slater says
It’s also important to note that there is no connection to the trial and the proposed new hotel

Then why are City of York Council refusing to release the information requested in the FOI on the subject
E-mail traffic between councillors and the developers ?

Something to hide ?
Maybe Mike Slater could tell us when planning was given for it to become a high class hotel, was it between April 2011 and August 2013 ? Mike Slater says It’s also important to note that there is no connection to the trial and the proposed new hotel Then why are City of York Council refusing to release the information requested in the FOI on the subject E-mail traffic between councillors and the developers ? Something to hide ? Ichabod76

3:23pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Dr Robert says...

Yes Mr Feetenby, you have nailed it, let us hope once York residents have got rid of this set of lunatics calling themselves a cabinet, we can possibly see York moving around more easily. It seems to follow a pattern around Labour Councillors, a rising bollard appeared on the entrance to Victoria Bar, labour councillor living just through the Bar, the Big Dipper in South Bank, behind the Winning Post bollarded off, labour councillors living in that area, Millfield lane, Poppleton, bollarded off some years ago, the excuse, British Sugar traffic a danger to Manor school, labour councillor was living in the area, still only open to buses, no BSC and no school on that site anymore. let us hope the 62% of people who did not vote labour at last elections get out of their chairs next time.
Yes Mr Feetenby, you have nailed it, let us hope once York residents have got rid of this set of lunatics calling themselves a cabinet, we can possibly see York moving around more easily. It seems to follow a pattern around Labour Councillors, a rising bollard appeared on the entrance to Victoria Bar, labour councillor living just through the Bar, the Big Dipper in South Bank, behind the Winning Post bollarded off, labour councillors living in that area, Millfield lane, Poppleton, bollarded off some years ago, the excuse, British Sugar traffic a danger to Manor school, labour councillor was living in the area, still only open to buses, no BSC and no school on that site anymore. let us hope the 62% of people who did not vote labour at last elections get out of their chairs next time. Dr Robert

5:48pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

Who actually believes anything Mr Slater and this mendacious council say anymore ?

I certainly don't !

They are not to be trusted !
Who actually believes anything Mr Slater and this mendacious council say anymore ? I certainly don't ! They are not to be trusted ! Rocking Horse

5:55pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

Good, honest letter from Tony Feetenby - well said, Sir !
Good, honest letter from Tony Feetenby - well said, Sir ! Rocking Horse

6:46pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Jonthan says...

Grasping at straws.

How could restrictions from 10.30am to 5pm possibly be of help to hotels? Those are the times of day when the hotels are empty and the staff are making beds and doing the hoovering.

Is desperation setting in with the Ukippers?
Grasping at straws. How could restrictions from 10.30am to 5pm possibly be of help to hotels? Those are the times of day when the hotels are empty and the staff are making beds and doing the hoovering. Is desperation setting in with the Ukippers? Jonthan

6:57pm Wed 4 Dec 13

gmsgop says...

Mr Slater refers to the Transport plan 2011-2031 - I was interested - found it!
http://bit.ly/1gEMSH
P
Medium term priority - PUBLIC transport only OUSE BRIDGE
Long Term priority - REMOVE THROUGH TRAFFIC FROM GILLYGATE, ST LEONARDS PLACE AND LENDAL BRIDGE

So mr Slater, would you please clarify - as we are in 2013 not 2027 - what did you mean- EXACTLY please.
Mr Slater refers to the Transport plan 2011-2031 - I was interested - found it! http://bit.ly/1gEMSH P Medium term priority - PUBLIC transport only OUSE BRIDGE Long Term priority - REMOVE THROUGH TRAFFIC FROM GILLYGATE, ST LEONARDS PLACE AND LENDAL BRIDGE So mr Slater, would you please clarify - as we are in 2013 not 2027 - what did you mean- EXACTLY please. gmsgop

6:58pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Ichabod76 says...

I believe they can't approve a hotel on that site until air quality improves ?
Hence the restrictions.
What's that got to do with UKIP ?

As always with Jonathan it's about rival political party's, not residents.
I believe they can't approve a hotel on that site until air quality improves ? Hence the restrictions. What's that got to do with UKIP ? As always with Jonathan it's about rival political party's, not residents. Ichabod76

7:24pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
I believe they can't approve a hotel on that site until air quality improves ? Hence the restrictions. What's that got to do with UKIP ? As always with Jonathan it's about rival political party's, not residents.
Jonthan's a CYC/Labour stooge.
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: I believe they can't approve a hotel on that site until air quality improves ? Hence the restrictions. What's that got to do with UKIP ? As always with Jonathan it's about rival political party's, not residents.[/p][/quote]Jonthan's a CYC/Labour stooge. Rocking Horse

7:29pm Wed 4 Dec 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Well said Ichabod76. When Merrett and Co announce this trial a success around March or April, what's the betting that the restrictions will be for at least 12 hours or even 24/7?
Come the Spring, I hope you are ready to apologise, Jonthan.
Well said Ichabod76. When Merrett and Co announce this trial a success around March or April, what's the betting that the restrictions will be for at least 12 hours or even 24/7? Come the Spring, I hope you are ready to apologise, Jonthan. ColdAsChristmas

7:59pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Jonthan says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Well said Ichabod76. When Merrett and Co announce this trial a success around March or April, what's the betting that the restrictions will be for at least 12 hours or even 24/7?
Come the Spring, I hope you are ready to apologise, Jonthan.
Yes, I will apologise on this site if you are right. But only on condition that you will give a copper-bottomed undertaking to make a similar apology on this site if you are wrong.

No ifs and buts, a plain apology and admission of poor judgement from whichever of us has to eat humble pie. Deal?
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Well said Ichabod76. When Merrett and Co announce this trial a success around March or April, what's the betting that the restrictions will be for at least 12 hours or even 24/7? Come the Spring, I hope you are ready to apologise, Jonthan.[/p][/quote]Yes, I will apologise on this site if you are right. But only on condition that you will give a copper-bottomed undertaking to make a similar apology on this site if you are wrong. No ifs and buts, a plain apology and admission of poor judgement from whichever of us has to eat humble pie. Deal? Jonthan

9:41pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Well said Ichabod76. When Merrett and Co announce this trial a success around March or April, what's the betting that the restrictions will be for at least 12 hours or even 24/7? Come the Spring, I hope you are ready to apologise, Jonthan.
I expect that you could be right, but, equally, I wouldn't put it past them to do a U-turn, hoping that York residents will forgive and forget come the elections in 2015..... Not a chance !
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Well said Ichabod76. When Merrett and Co announce this trial a success around March or April, what's the betting that the restrictions will be for at least 12 hours or even 24/7? Come the Spring, I hope you are ready to apologise, Jonthan.[/p][/quote]I expect that you could be right, but, equally, I wouldn't put it past them to do a U-turn, hoping that York residents will forgive and forget come the elections in 2015..... Not a chance ! Rocking Horse

10:51pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Jonthan says...

Jonthan wrote:
ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Well said Ichabod76. When Merrett and Co announce this trial a success around March or April, what's the betting that the restrictions will be for at least 12 hours or even 24/7?
Come the Spring, I hope you are ready to apologise, Jonthan.
Yes, I will apologise on this site if you are right. But only on condition that you will give a copper-bottomed undertaking to make a similar apology on this site if you are wrong.

No ifs and buts, a plain apology and admission of poor judgement from whichever of us has to eat humble pie. Deal?
Tut tut ColdAs, your'e going to chicken out aren't you?

Tell you what. Do the decent thing and take the bet, you started it anyway, and I will not only apologise publicly if I am wrong but I will also send a cheque for £25 to Save the Children.
[quote][p][bold]Jonthan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Well said Ichabod76. When Merrett and Co announce this trial a success around March or April, what's the betting that the restrictions will be for at least 12 hours or even 24/7? Come the Spring, I hope you are ready to apologise, Jonthan.[/p][/quote]Yes, I will apologise on this site if you are right. But only on condition that you will give a copper-bottomed undertaking to make a similar apology on this site if you are wrong. No ifs and buts, a plain apology and admission of poor judgement from whichever of us has to eat humble pie. Deal?[/p][/quote]Tut tut ColdAs, your'e going to chicken out aren't you? Tell you what. Do the decent thing and take the bet, you started it anyway, and I will not only apologise publicly if I am wrong but I will also send a cheque for £25 to Save the Children. Jonthan

1:50am Thu 5 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

I'm pretty sure I've been cut up on more than one occasion by a Feetenby-marked van.

Anyway, why on earth would traffic from the west of York go through Buydyke avenue as opposed to Bootham, Gillygate and Wigginton Road? In the afternoon peak, traffic from the Crichton Avenue junction traffic lights backs right up to the roundabout with Kingsway North, sometimes beyond - compared to outbound traffic on Wigginton Road which by comparison is better flowing. Plus Burdyke avenue is one of the worst condition roads in that area of the city, exaccerbated by the sheer volume of vehicles parked on the road itself, which then funnels moving vehicles onto narrow single-width sections of the road which then wear out much quicker than the rest due to traffic going over it in both directions; and then you get the morons who just belt down there at 'warp speed' without even looking to see if something is coming the other way... on more than one occasion I've seen one of First's buses very nearly get a new hood ornament, in the shape of some small car coming the other way.
I'm pretty sure I've been cut up on more than one occasion by a Feetenby-marked van. Anyway, why on earth would traffic from the west of York go through Buydyke avenue as opposed to Bootham, Gillygate and Wigginton Road? In the afternoon peak, traffic from the Crichton Avenue junction traffic lights backs right up to the roundabout with Kingsway North, sometimes beyond - compared to outbound traffic on Wigginton Road which by comparison is better flowing. Plus Burdyke avenue is one of the worst condition roads in that area of the city, exaccerbated by the sheer volume of vehicles parked on the road itself, which then funnels moving vehicles onto narrow single-width sections of the road which then wear out much quicker than the rest due to traffic going over it in both directions; and then you get the morons who just belt down there at 'warp speed' without even looking to see if something is coming the other way... on more than one occasion I've seen one of First's buses very nearly get a new hood ornament, in the shape of some small car coming the other way. Magicman!

7:37am Thu 5 Dec 13

Igiveinthen says...

gmsgop wrote:
Mr Slater refers to the Transport plan 2011-2031 - I was interested - found it!
http://bit.ly/1gEMSH

P
Medium term priority - PUBLIC transport only OUSE BRIDGE
Long Term priority - REMOVE THROUGH TRAFFIC FROM GILLYGATE, ST LEONARDS PLACE AND LENDAL BRIDGE

So mr Slater, would you please clarify - as we are in 2013 not 2027 - what did you mean- EXACTLY please.
Found it as well, just had a quick peruse of content but will read it in depth later, but even a quick peruse makes it overwhelmingly clear it is against car usage in the city, and I think.i now understand this Lenadal Bridge issue more and can see these restrictions being rolled out to more areas of the city, commenters should down load and read it - in the words of John Laurie the actor - 'Were all doomed Captain Mainwaring' - unless of course you ride a cycle, walk or use a bus.
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: Mr Slater refers to the Transport plan 2011-2031 - I was interested - found it! http://bit.ly/1gEMSH P Medium term priority - PUBLIC transport only OUSE BRIDGE Long Term priority - REMOVE THROUGH TRAFFIC FROM GILLYGATE, ST LEONARDS PLACE AND LENDAL BRIDGE So mr Slater, would you please clarify - as we are in 2013 not 2027 - what did you mean- EXACTLY please.[/p][/quote]Found it as well, just had a quick peruse of content but will read it in depth later, but even a quick peruse makes it overwhelmingly clear it is against car usage in the city, and I think.i now understand this Lenadal Bridge issue more and can see these restrictions being rolled out to more areas of the city, commenters should down load and read it - in the words of John Laurie the actor - 'Were all doomed Captain Mainwaring' - unless of course you ride a cycle, walk or use a bus. Igiveinthen

10:53am Thu 5 Dec 13

Igiveinthen says...

May I add to my comment before I am misunderstood about riding cycles, walking or using the bus.
I could think of nothing better than a car free city centre, it would be a pleasure to visit, but firstly which ever party is in power they must surely ask the question - where will all the cars that use the city go? We can see from the restrictions put on Lendal Bridge how other roads and streets have suddenly seen an increase in traffic levels.
In the ‘Transport Plan’ they don’t address this problem and seem to assume or predict that everyone will suddenly use a cycle, walk or hop on a bus which is far from reality, people have freedom of choice about what transport suits them best.
May I add to my comment before I am misunderstood about riding cycles, walking or using the bus. I could think of nothing better than a car free city centre, it would be a pleasure to visit, but firstly which ever party is in power they must surely ask the question - where will all the cars that use the city go? We can see from the restrictions put on Lendal Bridge how other roads and streets have suddenly seen an increase in traffic levels. In the ‘Transport Plan’ they don’t address this problem and seem to assume or predict that everyone will suddenly use a cycle, walk or hop on a bus which is far from reality, people have freedom of choice about what transport suits them best. Igiveinthen

11:50am Thu 5 Dec 13

Rocking Horse says...

I agree with 'Igiveinthen' - public transport and park & ride are there if we want/need to use therm, but we should be able to choose, and use our cars if we want to. Being forced to use the council's preferred mode by them banning cars from the city centre is wrong and will lead to reduced visitors; both residents and tourists, and businesses will suffer as a consequence.

In 2015, I hope we get a council which will correct the wrongs of the current administration, and Labour are banished from imposing their ideological agenda ! Good riddance to them !
I agree with 'Igiveinthen' - public transport and park & ride are there if we want/need to use therm, but we should be able to choose, and use our cars if we want to. Being forced to use the council's preferred mode by them banning cars from the city centre is wrong and will lead to reduced visitors; both residents and tourists, and businesses will suffer as a consequence. In 2015, I hope we get a council which will correct the wrongs of the current administration, and Labour are banished from imposing their ideological agenda ! Good riddance to them ! Rocking Horse

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