Why politicians are held in contempt

First published in Letters

IF YOU want to know why politicians are held in contempt by the public, listening to MPs of all parties offering plaudits to the disgraced Chris Huhne and the bickering over the coming by-election for his seat, will tell you why.

Not a word of condemnation for him being a bare-faced liar, who has brazenly tried to use his position to hide his continual lies.

An additional charge of perjury should now be put to him and he deserves a long sentence. Some hope.

Can our Westminster representatives try to raise themselves from their current position of level with a snake’s belly?

Geoff Robb, Hunters Close, Dunnington.

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12:19pm Thu 7 Feb 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Quite right Geoff, but they are all in it together.
Huhne is one reason why our energy bills are so high, his duff policies being continued by his fellow Lib Dem colleague, Ed Davey.
Bills started to escalated following the 2008 Ed Miliband 'Climate Act' when parliament became carbon phobic. Realising we needed to reduce energy consumption as cheap coal was to be phased out, we ended up with dim light bulbs and first 'Warm front' and now 'the Green deal.' where the consumer pays for improvements through higher bills. Another scam.
I have no time for Mr Huhne, or his disloyal ex wife come to that.
I doubt either will serve more than a year for a crime committed 10 years ago.
Politicians make rules for other people, just remember that.
Quite right Geoff, but they are all in it together. Huhne is one reason why our energy bills are so high, his duff policies being continued by his fellow Lib Dem colleague, Ed Davey. Bills started to escalated following the 2008 Ed Miliband 'Climate Act' when parliament became carbon phobic. Realising we needed to reduce energy consumption as cheap coal was to be phased out, we ended up with dim light bulbs and first 'Warm front' and now 'the Green deal.' where the consumer pays for improvements through higher bills. Another scam. I have no time for Mr Huhne, or his disloyal ex wife come to that. I doubt either will serve more than a year for a crime committed 10 years ago. Politicians make rules for other people, just remember that. ColdAsChristmas
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4:05pm Thu 7 Feb 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Latest news is that Huhne was a very fast driver, according to his ex wife.
And there he is telling us to cut down on emissions!
Mind you, before politics he did work for the Guardian so should one be surprised by this hypocrisy?
Latest news is that Huhne was a very fast driver, according to his ex wife. And there he is telling us to cut down on emissions! Mind you, before politics he did work for the Guardian so should one be surprised by this hypocrisy? ColdAsChristmas
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9:27pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Yorkborneinbse says...

Totally agree with all previous. Not a shred of Honesty is readily visible in any of the dirty, self serving dishonourable members. However, the same can be said of the Metropolitan Police, the BBC, News International former bigwigs, The Royal Bank of Scotland, The professional footballers association, many patient care trusts, and many many more. This Country is both financially and morally bankrupt because of them all. Only, if only I could get a massive pay off with pension for F***ing it up. The news needs to give a warning in addition to the flash photography one before every item. Warning, some items tonight may cause you to spit and rant at your TV.
Making a mess of your position that is clearly costing lives, should come with the death penalty. Another public enquiry to cost us Millions! Question Time in an hour, see what the lying toe rags have to say on there..........and relax.
Totally agree with all previous. Not a shred of Honesty is readily visible in any of the dirty, self serving dishonourable members. However, the same can be said of the Metropolitan Police, the BBC, News International former bigwigs, The Royal Bank of Scotland, The professional footballers association, many patient care trusts, and many many more. This Country is both financially and morally bankrupt because of them all. Only, if only I could get a massive pay off with pension for F***ing it up. The news needs to give a warning in addition to the flash photography one before every item. Warning, some items tonight may cause you to spit and rant at your TV. Making a mess of your position that is clearly costing lives, should come with the death penalty. Another public enquiry to cost us Millions! Question Time in an hour, see what the lying toe rags have to say on there..........and relax. Yorkborneinbse
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1:20am Fri 8 Feb 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Note the question! Is 'Huhne a risk to the public?' Nobody mentioned that he has a lot to do with why so many people are cold this Winter. I won't mention the thousands of deaths.
Unfortunately the gay marriage question was given far more time. Says it all really!
Note the question! Is 'Huhne a risk to the public?' Nobody mentioned that he has a lot to do with why so many people are cold this Winter. I won't mention the thousands of deaths. Unfortunately the gay marriage question was given far more time. Says it all really! ColdAsChristmas
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8:26am Fri 8 Feb 13

capt spaulding says...

Now you know where James Alexander gets it from.
Now you know where James Alexander gets it from. capt spaulding
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10:15am Fri 8 Feb 13

wildthing666 says...

And there was me thinking it was because they claim for items the working man/woman has to pay for out of their annual salary.

POLITICIAN'S THE REAL LTB's
And there was me thinking it was because they claim for items the working man/woman has to pay for out of their annual salary. POLITICIAN'S THE REAL LTB's wildthing666
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10:18am Fri 8 Feb 13

perplexed says...

capt spaulding wrote:
Now you know where James Alexander gets it from.
Along with Cameron, Clegg, Milliband and countless others!
[quote][p][bold]capt spaulding[/bold] wrote: Now you know where James Alexander gets it from.[/p][/quote]Along with Cameron, Clegg, Milliband and countless others! perplexed
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1:48pm Fri 8 Feb 13

roobarb85 says...

It's not party political - it would be just as easy to point out the awful ways of Dennis MacShane or Jeffrey Archer to give but 2 examples.

No, sadly, it's in the blood of those who would be our leaders. As I think some wise old bird put it "Those who most want to be in power are the ones who are least suited to wielding power"
It's not party political - it would be just as easy to point out the awful ways of Dennis MacShane or Jeffrey Archer to give but 2 examples. No, sadly, it's in the blood of those who would be our leaders. As I think some wise old bird put it "Those who most want to be in power are the ones who are least suited to wielding power" roobarb85
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4:29pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Mulgrave says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Latest news is that Huhne was a very fast driver, according to his ex wife.
And there he is telling us to cut down on emissions!
Mind you, before politics he did work for the Guardian so should one be surprised by this hypocrisy?
And plenty of photo opps driving his Toyota Pious hybrid at the time he held the portfolio for energy/ climate change. He should get 18 months just for the utter hypocrisy of that, let alone perverting the course of justice.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Latest news is that Huhne was a very fast driver, according to his ex wife. And there he is telling us to cut down on emissions! Mind you, before politics he did work for the Guardian so should one be surprised by this hypocrisy?[/p][/quote]And plenty of photo opps driving his Toyota Pious hybrid at the time he held the portfolio for energy/ climate change. He should get 18 months just for the utter hypocrisy of that, let alone perverting the course of justice. Mulgrave
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5:43pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

roobarb85 wrote:
It's not party political - it would be just as easy to point out the awful ways of Dennis MacShane or Jeffrey Archer to give but 2 examples. No, sadly, it's in the blood of those who would be our leaders. As I think some wise old bird put it "Those who most want to be in power are the ones who are least suited to wielding power"
Bit of a difference between those two....

Archer lied because he was scr*wing some skirt and cheating behind his wife's back.

MacShane lied because he was scr*wing us, by cheating with his expenses.

Archer is human, where
as Labour cheating, liar MacShane is a thief !

Now, what about the Paris'gate expenses Mr Alexander and Ms England ? When will their excuses be exposed for what they are ?
[quote][p][bold]roobarb85[/bold] wrote: It's not party political - it would be just as easy to point out the awful ways of Dennis MacShane or Jeffrey Archer to give but 2 examples. No, sadly, it's in the blood of those who would be our leaders. As I think some wise old bird put it "Those who most want to be in power are the ones who are least suited to wielding power"[/p][/quote]Bit of a difference between those two.... Archer lied because he was scr*wing some skirt and cheating behind his wife's back. MacShane lied because he was scr*wing us, by cheating with his expenses. Archer is human, where as Labour cheating, liar MacShane is a thief ! Now, what about the Paris'gate expenses Mr Alexander and Ms England ? When will their excuses be exposed for what they are ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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6:32pm Fri 8 Feb 13

perplexed says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
roobarb85 wrote:
It's not party political - it would be just as easy to point out the awful ways of Dennis MacShane or Jeffrey Archer to give but 2 examples. No, sadly, it's in the blood of those who would be our leaders. As I think some wise old bird put it "Those who most want to be in power are the ones who are least suited to wielding power"
Bit of a difference between those two....

Archer lied because he was scr*wing some skirt and cheating behind his wife's back.

MacShane lied because he was scr*wing us, by cheating with his expenses.

Archer is human, where
as Labour cheating, liar MacShane is a thief !

Now, what about the Paris'gate expenses Mr Alexander and Ms England ? When will their excuses be exposed for what they are ?
If Archer is only human and McShane a lair where does that leave David Laws and his £60,000 expenses fiddle which earned him not a prison sentence but a place in the cabinet ? Or Liam Fox, the former Defence Secretary, who put a close friend with “defence-related business interests” on the public payroll.

I am sorry to say 'Pimpernel' but your 'pathological' hatred for all things Labour has little to do with genuine political debate. The public have been badly let down by politicians of ALL Parties. Before you offer us the benefit of your wisdom, you might want to remove your 'rose tinted glasses' and see that our politicians are not so different from each other as you would have us all think .
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roobarb85[/bold] wrote: It's not party political - it would be just as easy to point out the awful ways of Dennis MacShane or Jeffrey Archer to give but 2 examples. No, sadly, it's in the blood of those who would be our leaders. As I think some wise old bird put it "Those who most want to be in power are the ones who are least suited to wielding power"[/p][/quote]Bit of a difference between those two.... Archer lied because he was scr*wing some skirt and cheating behind his wife's back. MacShane lied because he was scr*wing us, by cheating with his expenses. Archer is human, where as Labour cheating, liar MacShane is a thief ! Now, what about the Paris'gate expenses Mr Alexander and Ms England ? When will their excuses be exposed for what they are ?[/p][/quote]If Archer is only human and McShane a lair where does that leave David Laws and his £60,000 expenses fiddle which earned him not a prison sentence but a place in the cabinet ? Or Liam Fox, the former Defence Secretary, who put a close friend with “defence-related business interests” on the public payroll. I am sorry to say 'Pimpernel' but your 'pathological' hatred for all things Labour has little to do with genuine political debate. The public have been badly let down by politicians of ALL Parties. Before you offer us the benefit of your wisdom, you might want to remove your 'rose tinted glasses' and see that our politicians are not so different from each other as you would have us all think . perplexed
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8:30pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

I was only commenting on the two individuals quoted.

Here's a couple more...
Margaret Moran
Baroness Uddin

which trump yours !

You're right though, I do hate all things Labour - the biggest lying cheats going !
I was only commenting on the two individuals quoted. Here's a couple more... Margaret Moran Baroness Uddin which trump yours ! You're right though, I do hate all things Labour - the biggest lying cheats going ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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8:33pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Buzz Light-year says...

Why politicians are held in contempt.

brightonhovelabour ‏@bhlabour
York Greens in anti cycling rant, that's right, ANTI cycling! http://tinyurl.com/g
reentdf @jmalexander1982
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But York Green councillor Dave Taylor slated the £500,000 fee. He said: “I think it’s a bit of a rip-off. I think the people of York were never asked if they wanted to spend half a million pounds on this.” HE SAID THE MONEY COULD BE BETTER SPENT ON IMPROVING CYCLING FACILITIES FOR YORK CYCLISTS.
Why politicians are held in contempt. [quote]brightonhovelabour ‏@bhlabour York Greens in anti cycling rant, that's right, ANTI cycling! http://tinyurl.com/g reentdf @jmalexander1982 Collapse Reply Retweet Favorite More 1 RETWEET 11:49 AM - 8 Feb 13 · Details[/quote] [quote]But York Green councillor Dave Taylor slated the £500,000 fee. He said: “I think it’s a bit of a rip-off. I think the people of York were never asked if they wanted to spend half a million pounds on this.” HE SAID THE MONEY COULD BE BETTER SPENT ON IMPROVING CYCLING FACILITIES FOR YORK CYCLISTS.[/QUOTE] Buzz Light-year
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10:55pm Fri 8 Feb 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Spot on Mulgrave, not only was Huhne driving a Japanese made vehicle instead of British made but he was also avoiding paying VED on a vehicle where the batteries alone weigh nearly as much as an Austin Mini.
That's before how we consider recycling the batteries!

Pimpernel, check out Ernest Marples!

I'm not affiliated to any political party though I have to confess that the modern Green hypocrisy does tend to infuriate me. They cost the Earth, not save it!
Spot on Mulgrave, not only was Huhne driving a Japanese made vehicle instead of British made but he was also avoiding paying VED on a vehicle where the batteries alone weigh nearly as much as an Austin Mini. That's before how we consider recycling the batteries! Pimpernel, check out Ernest Marples! I'm not affiliated to any political party though I have to confess that the modern Green hypocrisy does tend to infuriate me. They cost the Earth, not save it! ColdAsChristmas
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1:46am Sat 9 Feb 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Spot on Mulgrave, not only was Huhne driving a Japanese made vehicle instead of British made but he was also avoiding paying VED on a vehicle where the batteries alone weigh nearly as much as an Austin Mini. That's before how we consider recycling the batteries! Pimpernel, check out Ernest Marples! I'm not affiliated to any political party though I have to confess that the modern Green hypocrisy does tend to infuriate me. They cost the Earth, not save it!
Ernest Marples didn't fiddle expenses.

It could be argued that his business interests made valuable contributions, by building power stations and roads, and providing many jobs.

I blame his tax avoidance on him once being a Labour member in his youth.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Spot on Mulgrave, not only was Huhne driving a Japanese made vehicle instead of British made but he was also avoiding paying VED on a vehicle where the batteries alone weigh nearly as much as an Austin Mini. That's before how we consider recycling the batteries! Pimpernel, check out Ernest Marples! I'm not affiliated to any political party though I have to confess that the modern Green hypocrisy does tend to infuriate me. They cost the Earth, not save it![/p][/quote]Ernest Marples didn't fiddle expenses. It could be argued that his business interests made valuable contributions, by building power stations and roads, and providing many jobs. I blame his tax avoidance on him once being a Labour member in his youth. Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:01am Sat 9 Feb 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
Why politicians are held in contempt. brightonhovelabour ‏@bhlabour York Greens in anti cycling rant, that's right, ANTI cycling! http://tinyurl.com/g reentdf @jmalexander1982 Collapse Reply Retweet Favorite More 1 RETWEET 11:49 AM - 8 Feb 13 · Details But York Green councillor Dave Taylor slated the £500,000 fee. He said: “I think it’s a bit of a rip-off. I think the people of York were never asked if they wanted to spend half a million pounds on this.” HE SAID THE MONEY COULD BE BETTER SPENT ON IMPROVING CYCLING FACILITIES FOR YORK CYCLISTS.Alexander twisting things by his sly omission of half the facts ?

Just like the Paris'gate affair - he can't be trusted to tell the truth.

Labour spin and lies !
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Why politicians are held in contempt. [quote]brightonhovelabour ‏@bhlabour York Greens in anti cycling rant, that's right, ANTI cycling! http://tinyurl.com/g reentdf @jmalexander1982 Collapse Reply Retweet Favorite More 1 RETWEET 11:49 AM - 8 Feb 13 · Details[/quote] [quote]But York Green councillor Dave Taylor slated the £500,000 fee. He said: “I think it’s a bit of a rip-off. I think the people of York were never asked if they wanted to spend half a million pounds on this.” HE SAID THE MONEY COULD BE BETTER SPENT ON IMPROVING CYCLING FACILITIES FOR YORK CYCLISTS.[/QUOTE][/p][/quote]Alexander twisting things by his sly omission of half the facts ? Just like the Paris'gate affair - he can't be trusted to tell the truth. Labour spin and lies ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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8:25am Sat 9 Feb 13

perplexed says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
I was only commenting on the two individuals quoted.

Here's a couple more...
Margaret Moran
Baroness Uddin

which trump yours !

You're right though, I do hate all things Labour - the biggest lying cheats going !
If you honestly believe that labour politicians are the only ones that have been guilty of 'lying' to the people over the last few years, you really need to wake up! From Cabinet ministers to local politicians , we have been let down by politicians of ALL parties.This may be news to you but even conservatives and liberal democrats have been known to lie and cheat!

Sadly, not only are your previous comments nothing more than an homage to rightwing propaganda but they are increasingly becoming rather disturbing !
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: I was only commenting on the two individuals quoted. Here's a couple more... Margaret Moran Baroness Uddin which trump yours ! You're right though, I do hate all things Labour - the biggest lying cheats going ![/p][/quote]If you honestly believe that labour politicians are the only ones that have been guilty of 'lying' to the people over the last few years, you really need to wake up! From Cabinet ministers to local politicians , we have been let down by politicians of ALL parties.This may be news to you but even conservatives and liberal democrats have been known to lie and cheat! Sadly, not only are your previous comments nothing more than an homage to rightwing propaganda but they are increasingly becoming rather disturbing ! perplexed
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9:24am Sat 9 Feb 13

jorvik says...

perplexed wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
I was only commenting on the two individuals quoted.

Here's a couple more...
Margaret Moran
Baroness Uddin

which trump yours !

You're right though, I do hate all things Labour - the biggest lying cheats going !
If you honestly believe that labour politicians are the only ones that have been guilty of 'lying' to the people over the last few years, you really need to wake up! From Cabinet ministers to local politicians , we have been let down by politicians of ALL parties.This may be news to you but even conservatives and liberal democrats have been known to lie and cheat!

Sadly, not only are your previous comments nothing more than an homage to rightwing propaganda but they are increasingly becoming rather disturbing !
Put a red roset on a monkey and you tools will vote for it,then deny it craps itself and has a fondness for bananas
[quote][p][bold]perplexed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: I was only commenting on the two individuals quoted. Here's a couple more... Margaret Moran Baroness Uddin which trump yours ! You're right though, I do hate all things Labour - the biggest lying cheats going ![/p][/quote]If you honestly believe that labour politicians are the only ones that have been guilty of 'lying' to the people over the last few years, you really need to wake up! From Cabinet ministers to local politicians , we have been let down by politicians of ALL parties.This may be news to you but even conservatives and liberal democrats have been known to lie and cheat! Sadly, not only are your previous comments nothing more than an homage to rightwing propaganda but they are increasingly becoming rather disturbing ![/p][/quote]Put a red roset on a monkey and you tools will vote for it,then deny it craps itself and has a fondness for bananas jorvik
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2:52pm Sat 9 Feb 13

perplexed says...

jorvik wrote:
perplexed wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
I was only commenting on the two individuals quoted.

Here's a couple more...
Margaret Moran
Baroness Uddin

which trump yours !

You're right though, I do hate all things Labour - the biggest lying cheats going !
If you honestly believe that labour politicians are the only ones that have been guilty of 'lying' to the people over the last few years, you really need to wake up! From Cabinet ministers to local politicians , we have been let down by politicians of ALL parties.This may be news to you but even conservatives and liberal democrats have been known to lie and cheat!

Sadly, not only are your previous comments nothing more than an homage to rightwing propaganda but they are increasingly becoming rather disturbing !
Put a red roset on a monkey and you tools will vote for it,then deny it craps itself and has a fondness for bananas
"Put a red roset on a monkey and you tools will vote for it,then deny it craps itself and has a fondness for bananas"

Not unlike the monkey's with the bright 'blue' backsides!
[quote][p][bold]jorvik[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]perplexed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: I was only commenting on the two individuals quoted. Here's a couple more... Margaret Moran Baroness Uddin which trump yours ! You're right though, I do hate all things Labour - the biggest lying cheats going ![/p][/quote]If you honestly believe that labour politicians are the only ones that have been guilty of 'lying' to the people over the last few years, you really need to wake up! From Cabinet ministers to local politicians , we have been let down by politicians of ALL parties.This may be news to you but even conservatives and liberal democrats have been known to lie and cheat! Sadly, not only are your previous comments nothing more than an homage to rightwing propaganda but they are increasingly becoming rather disturbing ![/p][/quote]Put a red roset on a monkey and you tools will vote for it,then deny it craps itself and has a fondness for bananas[/p][/quote]"Put a red roset on a monkey and you tools will vote for it,then deny it craps itself and has a fondness for bananas" Not unlike the monkey's with the bright 'blue' backsides! perplexed
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2:54pm Sat 9 Feb 13

roobarb85 says...

With respect, I love sharp debate, partisan debate, but blinkered debate is a waste of time.

There have been crooks and shysters of all stripe down the centuries...let's not bother trying to make lists and decide which kind of crime is worse than others.

Surely the point is that trust in ALL politicians is at a lower level than it has been for many a year. Yet we need some form of political operatives to run democracy.

So is it that politicians have always been scoundrels and it's just cos we can see more of their doings just now that makes them look worse, or are 2013's crop really bad ?

If so, how do we get the necessary trust back?
With respect, I love sharp debate, partisan debate, but blinkered debate is a waste of time. There have been crooks and shysters of all stripe down the centuries...let's not bother trying to make lists and decide which kind of crime is worse than others. Surely the point is that trust in ALL politicians is at a lower level than it has been for many a year. Yet we need some form of political operatives to run democracy. So is it that politicians have always been scoundrels and it's just cos we can see more of their doings just now that makes them look worse, or are 2013's crop really bad ? If so, how do we get the necessary trust back? roobarb85
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12:44pm Sun 10 Feb 13

Buzz Light-year says...

Pertinent, intelligent question roobarb85.
Easy enough to analyse but difficult to come up with a solution.


So is it that politicians have always been scoundrels and it's just cos we can see more of their doings just now that makes them look worse, or are 2013's crop really bad ?

I would answer both.
Indeed politicians of all colours have been as bent as nine bob notes for many years.
The fact that they are still is testimony to how institutionalised that behaviour has become over time. That would imply they have got worse up until today.

Yet history has seen worse - better lying about speeding than plotting to have your fellows killed, I would say.

At the same time it's very likely that increasing scrutiny and wider access for the public to digital media has resulted in the perception they are a bunch of spivs and shysters.

As for a solution... no idea.
Some countries have one bent liar in charge, others have whole cabinets of them who don't keep an on each other as much as keep an eye out for each other.

Increasing scrutiny may be starting to put a stop to it or it may not. There's always a workaround.

Power corrupts.
Pertinent, intelligent question roobarb85. Easy enough to analyse but difficult to come up with a solution. [quote]So is it that politicians have always been scoundrels and it's just cos we can see more of their doings just now that makes them look worse, or are 2013's crop really bad ?[/quote] I would answer both. Indeed politicians of all colours have been as bent as nine bob notes for many years. The fact that they are still is testimony to how institutionalised that behaviour has become over time. That would imply they have got worse up until today. Yet history has seen worse - better lying about speeding than plotting to have your fellows killed, I would say. At the same time it's very likely that increasing scrutiny and wider access for the public to digital media has resulted in the perception they are a bunch of spivs and shysters. As for a solution... no idea. Some countries have one bent liar in charge, others have whole cabinets of them who don't keep an on each other as much as keep an eye out for each other. Increasing scrutiny may be starting to put a stop to it or it may not. There's always a workaround. Power corrupts. Buzz Light-year
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