Junction solution

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I WAS interested to read Andrew Hitchon’s column on February 5 because it mentioned two junctions with which I am very familiar.

My experience at the Budgen’s junction is that the main culprits are buses and taxis. I have contacted First on several occasions to report particular buses and also the council with regard to the phasing of the lights, but without success.

With regard to the Micklegate Bar junction, pedestrians are simply not allocated sufficient time to cross.

Another problem is the tendency for traffic from Queen Street to jump the lights, again primarily buses, thus eating into the time allocated to traffic exiting Micklegate and on occasions blocking the junction.

The bus stops on Blossom Street outside the Bar Convent do not help.

The sooner York gets a bus station, the better.

If the railway station car park were to be used, buses could easily get in by going past the back of the council offices and under Queen Street. Far cheaper than the suggestion that Queen Street is rebuilt to accommodate it.

This could also do away with the bus stops in the one-way system at Station Road and Station Avenue, which hinder the smooth flow of traffic.

K Page, Gale Lane, Acomb, York.

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8:39pm Thu 7 Feb 13

pedalling paul says...

If York had a bus station, there would still be outbound stops near the Bar Convent. And as for hindering traffic, buses are part of it. And they make much more efficient use of road space, than a single occupany car.
If York had a bus station, there would still be outbound stops near the Bar Convent. And as for hindering traffic, buses are part of it. And they make much more efficient use of road space, than a single occupany car. pedalling paul
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8:56pm Thu 7 Feb 13

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

Unless of course the bus is single occupancy, as is often the case during the day.
Unless of course the bus is single occupancy, as is often the case during the day. NoNewsIsGoodNews
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3:56am Fri 8 Feb 13

Magicman! says...

This letter just seems to be a case of "get rid of bus stops so I can go round the city faster in my car"

The Budgens junction is awful because the lights are only sometimes in sequence with the Skeldergate junction, and if they are in sequence one way then they're not the other way. There has been roadworks there recently, and at first the lights were off at both junctions and traffic flowed great... I went through several times on my bike and only had to pause for 5 seconds because a car had reached the junction at Skeldergate before me - "1st in = 1st out" so I gave way.... one evening there was a lengthy queue heading towards rougier street because a woman driver at the head of the queue wasn't adopting the "1st in = 1st out" principle and was just letting every vehicle out of micklegate. There was 3 coastliners in the queue - they're supposed to be half an hour apart so obviously this woman shouldn't have been in the city as she was causing an obstruction for everybody.

As regards Micklegate: "pedestrians are simply not allocated sufficient time to cross. " - when was the last time you went through there? the pedestrian signals are now 'puffin' type and have sensors mounted above them so the traffic light controller refuses to give a green light to traffic whilst there's a pedestrian on the road even if the green man has gone off and the red man is showing.... this means pedestrians see there is no traffic moving and run out into the road, and so traffic is then delayed for a further 20 seconds, by which time another pedestrian has jumped out into the road.... meanwhile there's me on my bike growing roots as I've been waiting for so long!


My suggestion for traffic in the city centre would be part of a 3-stage plan. (1) dual the A1237 between Woodthorpe and Haxby minimum; (2) place up new direction signs and re-phase traffic lights so 'ring road' traffic from blossom street is redirected through Nunnery Lane, Skeldergate Bridge, Castle Mills (changed to roundabout priorities, only 1 set of traffic lights in place between entrance to Tower street and exit from Tower Street to be used at peak times only - and a 'tigertail' to seperate traffic going from castle mills over skeldergate bridge from traffic going round to Tower Street/Piccadilly), Paragon Street, Foss Islands, Lord Mayors Walk... all traffic lights would give priority to this traffic flow, and Monk Bar junction would be changed to a small roundabout (and traffic on Nunnery lane heading towards Micklegate Bar would only be allowed to turn left, for any other directions traffic would be directed down Scarcroft Road); (3) place traffic restrictions in the city centre with ANPR to enforce this at St Lenoards Place, Lendal Bridge bottom, Station Road by hotel, Queen Street by taxi office, Micklegate Bar, Micklegate by hotel, Coppergate, Tower Street, Leeman Road tunnel - traffic enforcement would be "exit by same route you entered" as this would allow traffic to enter to drop off/pick up goods or people at the train station for example - though there would be a 30 minute time limit so city centre residents can go through... but if any traffic used the (by now) quieter city centre roads to cut through the city they'd get a £60 fine rising to £80. No rising bollards, and the other infastructure has been improved first before the enforcement is put in place.
The current road network through Queen Street, Lendal Gyratory, Lendal Bridge/Museum Street, and St Lenoards Place simply is full to bursting point most of the day, and this cannot be allowed to continue. What impression does this give to tourists entering the city having arrived by train: to be greeted by several streets of bumper-to-bumper traffic??
This letter just seems to be a case of "get rid of bus stops so I can go round the city faster in my car" The Budgens junction is awful because the lights are only sometimes in sequence with the Skeldergate junction, and if they are in sequence one way then they're not the other way. There has been roadworks there recently, and at first the lights were off at both junctions and traffic flowed great... I went through several times on my bike and only had to pause for 5 seconds because a car had reached the junction at Skeldergate before me - "1st in = 1st out" so I gave way.... one evening there was a lengthy queue heading towards rougier street because a woman driver at the head of the queue wasn't adopting the "1st in = 1st out" principle and was just letting every vehicle out of micklegate. There was 3 coastliners in the queue - they're supposed to be half an hour apart so obviously this woman shouldn't have been in the city as she was causing an obstruction for everybody. As regards Micklegate: "pedestrians are simply not allocated sufficient time to cross. " - when was the last time you went through there? the pedestrian signals are now 'puffin' type and have sensors mounted above them so the traffic light controller refuses to give a green light to traffic whilst there's a pedestrian on the road even if the green man has gone off and the red man is showing.... this means pedestrians see there is no traffic moving and run out into the road, and so traffic is then delayed for a further 20 seconds, by which time another pedestrian has jumped out into the road.... meanwhile there's me on my bike growing roots as I've been waiting for so long! My suggestion for traffic in the city centre would be part of a 3-stage plan. (1) dual the A1237 between Woodthorpe and Haxby minimum; (2) place up new direction signs and re-phase traffic lights so 'ring road' traffic from blossom street is redirected through Nunnery Lane, Skeldergate Bridge, Castle Mills (changed to roundabout priorities, only 1 set of traffic lights in place between entrance to Tower street and exit from Tower Street to be used at peak times only - and a 'tigertail' to seperate traffic going from castle mills over skeldergate bridge from traffic going round to Tower Street/Piccadilly), Paragon Street, Foss Islands, Lord Mayors Walk... all traffic lights would give priority to this traffic flow, and Monk Bar junction would be changed to a small roundabout (and traffic on Nunnery lane heading towards Micklegate Bar would only be allowed to turn left, for any other directions traffic would be directed down Scarcroft Road); (3) place traffic restrictions in the city centre with ANPR to enforce this at St Lenoards Place, Lendal Bridge bottom, Station Road by hotel, Queen Street by taxi office, Micklegate Bar, Micklegate by hotel, Coppergate, Tower Street, Leeman Road tunnel - traffic enforcement would be "exit by same route you entered" as this would allow traffic to enter to drop off/pick up goods or people at the train station for example - though there would be a 30 minute time limit so city centre residents can go through... but if any traffic used the (by now) quieter city centre roads to cut through the city they'd get a £60 fine rising to £80. No rising bollards, and the other infastructure has been improved first before the enforcement is put in place. The current road network through Queen Street, Lendal Gyratory, Lendal Bridge/Museum Street, and St Lenoards Place simply is full to bursting point most of the day, and this cannot be allowed to continue. What impression does this give to tourists entering the city having arrived by train: to be greeted by several streets of bumper-to-bumper traffic?? Magicman!
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