Let’s have Richard where he belongs (From York Press)

Please post the link to the E- petition.

The link to the e-petition is in Mr Cousins letter.

I tend towards supporting the argument that the bones be re-buried in York because it seems that was Richard's wish.

That said, I find the battle for the bones slightly distasteful, driven as it undoubtedly is by the pursuit of tourists and cash; it puts me in mind of the way medieval abbeys and cathedrals used to fight over saints' bones and other relics, in pursuit of pilgrims and cash.

Plus ca change...

"And if this debacle is successful how is it going to benefit York and how many people are interested.All we will end up with is endless photos of grinning councillors and other jobsworths".

Richard III's remains should be brought back to York. This is a matter of respect. He supported the North and lived here with his family and he should be reunited with them. Could you imagine our Queen, if she was to die in Leicestershire, being buried there? No, I am sure she would be interred in accordance with her wishes and with her family in a dignified manner, quite rightly too.

york gooner wrote:
Richard III's remains should be brought back to York. This is a matter of respect. He supported the North and lived here with his family and he should be reunited with them. Could you imagine our Queen, if she was to die in Leicestershire, being buried there? No, I am sure she would be interred in accordance with her wishes and with her family in a dignified manner, quite rightly too.

"What about the thousands of soldiers in two world wars that are buried abroad".

As as far as I can work out, if Richard's bones were to be reinterred in the Minster, this would have nothing whatever to do with the CYC. It would be a matter for the Crown, the Home Office and, ultimately, the Dean and Chapter.

"Not to mention, will there still be a cathedral in Leicester in 50 years or will it have gone the way of Greyfriars and be a car park?"


On what basis do yo make this stupid comment?

I wish I could stir up any interest in all this. It seems like quite a pertinent and important thing but I really don't give a you know what.

He was never the Duke of York, as has been incorrectly reported recently (he may have ordered the murder of Richard Duke of York along with Edward V). His father was Duke of York, as was his late brother. Richard was Duke of Gloucester - perhaps he should be buried there?

R I P

Quite right Roclank. Unfortunately a CYC spokesperson (quoted in today's Guardian) seems to have made this very error when writing the official letter requesting a York burial. Hope it's corrected before posting!

Firedrake wrote:
As as far as I can work out, if Richard's bones were to be reinterred in the Minster, this would have nothing whatever to do with the CYC. It would be a matter for the Crown, the Home Office and, ultimately, the Dean and Chapter.

Well said Firedrake, and you are quite right. Unfortunately, CYC would benefit from the revenue generated. Let's just hope that they use if for the benefit of the citizens rather than jaunts abroad.

More money for York Council to waste

Although I'm as keen as the next man/woman to see 15th century Richard buried in York, I can't help but consider that the Lisette Dugmore tragedy (see lead story today) is perhaps of rather more immediate concern to the people of 21st century York.

RIP.

The only thing I'm going to promulgate is how much of a boss I am.

Sorry Richard 3, I'm not going to waste my time fighting for your skeleton.

Perhaps you'll take consolation in the fact that you've been dead for 527 years.

Oh, and what's up with that haircut? You look like a tweaker. ****.

CHISSY1 wrote:
"And if this debacle is successful how is it going to benefit York and how many people are interested.All we will end up with is endless photos of grinning councillors and other jobsworths".

I've always thought you were ignorant. Now I'm certain.

So Leicester wants to keep Richard iii . Is that so they can make up for the appalling way they treated him when he was murdered by Henry Tudor who did everything he could to sully the name and reputation of Him. Bring him back to York. Does Leicester have the Richard iii Museum. NO. Problem solved.

He has rested there for over 500 years. In all that time no one in York was interested in finding him, let alone 'bringing him home' to York. After all the hard work the team has done in Leicester to find him and bring him to the surface, York suddenly have claim to him and go running to the Queen with a petition!! Do you know how daft you look?!! Find some other 'worthy' cause to get you name and picture in the paper. If you have that much time to waste go and hand out soup to the homeless.

If York people want RichardIII's remains to come back to York, it's their business.

What I find objectionable, is how quickly James Alexander and Kersten England suddenly stick their oars in. Neither is from York, and one is not even a York resident or York council tax-payer. If there is a rule that someone has to go back to where they came from, then these two should do us all a favour and get back to London and Scotland asap.

These two bandwagon jumpers should get on with Council business, and not constantly monopolising any item of public interest for their own ego-driven publicity !

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
If York people want RichardIII's remains to come back to York, it's their business.

What I find objectionable, is how quickly James Alexander and Kersten England suddenly stick their oars in. Neither is from York, and one is not even a York resident or York council tax-payer. If there is a rule that someone has to go back to where they came from, then these two should do us all a favour and get back to London and Scotland asap.

These two bandwagon jumpers should get on with Council business, and not constantly monopolising any item of public interest for their own ego-driven publicity !

JA's interview on BBC 5 live was cringe worthy! Putting up a fight for 500 year old bones, disgraceful especially when our council tax is going up and services depleting. CYC need to get their priorities right!

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
If York people want RichardIII's remains to come back to York, it's their business.

What I find objectionable, is how quickly James Alexander and Kersten England suddenly stick their oars in. Neither is from York, and one is not even a York resident or York council tax-payer. If there is a rule that someone has to go back to where they came from, then these two should do us all a favour and get back to London and Scotland asap.

These two bandwagon jumpers should get on with Council business, and not constantly monopolising any item of public interest for their own ego-driven publicity !

JA's interview on BBC 5 live was cringe worthy! Putting up a fight for 500 year old bones, disgraceful especially when our council tax is going up and services depleting. CYC need to get their priorities right!

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
If York people want RichardIII's remains to come back to York, it's their business.

What I find objectionable, is how quickly James Alexander and Kersten England suddenly stick their oars in. Neither is from York, and one is not even a York resident or York council tax-payer. If there is a rule that someone has to go back to where they came from, then these two should do us all a favour and get back to London and Scotland asap.

These two bandwagon jumpers should get on with Council business, and not constantly monopolising any item of public interest for their own ego-driven publicity !

Scarlet I totally agree with the majority of what you say. I loathe both of the protagonists mentioned for the very reasons you quote.

However, as a fervent Yorkist and a great believer in our wonderful City despite what this council, and the previous one, have done to ruin it I believe that sometimes we have to lie down with the dogs and risk the fleas to get what is best for us, the real Yorkies and I do believe having Richard interred here is what is best for him and for us.

I am a real Yorkie born and bred having lived here all my life and still don't see the purpose of bringing the bones to York really don't understand what people are getting into such a lather about

There's a deafening silence on this issue coming from the direction of both York MPs, and our Archbishop. Shows where their loyalties lie and it's not with York.

JudithM wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote: If York people want RichardIII's remains to come back to York, it's their business. What I find objectionable, is how quickly James Alexander and Kersten England suddenly stick their oars in. Neither is from York, and one is not even a York resident or York council tax-payer. If there is a rule that someone has to go back to where they came from, then these two should do us all a favour and get back to London and Scotland asap. These two bandwagon jumpers should get on with Council business, and not constantly monopolising any item of public interest for their own ego-driven publicity !

Scarlet I totally agree with the majority of what you say. I loathe both of the protagonists mentioned for the very reasons you quote. However, as a fervent Yorkist and a great believer in our wonderful City despite what this council, and the previous one, have done to ruin it I believe that sometimes we have to lie down with the dogs and risk the fleas to get what is best for us, the real Yorkies and I do believe having Richard interred here is what is best for him and for us.

No problem with anyone wanting this, and no problem with those who don't. I'm easy either way. Richard III's remains having not been here for the last half a millenium hasn't done York much harm, whereas three years of England and almost two years of Alexander has. Hope someone does a petition to repatriate the two of them to their birth places asap - I'll be amongst the first to sign that one for sure.

Keep up the good work for UKIP Judith, you are gaining lots of support.

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

JudithM wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote: If York people want RichardIII's remains to come back to York, it's their business. What I find objectionable, is how quickly James Alexander and Kersten England suddenly stick their oars in. Neither is from York, and one is not even a York resident or York council tax-payer. If there is a rule that someone has to go back to where they came from, then these two should do us all a favour and get back to London and Scotland asap. These two bandwagon jumpers should get on with Council business, and not constantly monopolising any item of public interest for their own ego-driven publicity !

Scarlet I totally agree with the majority of what you say. I loathe both of the protagonists mentioned for the very reasons you quote. However, as a fervent Yorkist and a great believer in our wonderful City despite what this council, and the previous one, have done to ruin it I believe that sometimes we have to lie down with the dogs and risk the fleas to get what is best for us, the real Yorkies and I do believe having Richard interred here is what is best for him and for us.

No problem with anyone wanting this, and no problem with those who don't. I'm easy either way. Richard III's remains having not been here for the last half a millenium hasn't done York much harm, whereas three years of England and almost two years of Alexander has. Hope someone does a petition to repatriate the two of them to their birth places asap - I'll be amongst the first to sign that one for sure.

Keep up the good work for UKIP Judith, you are gaining lots of support.

Thanks so much Scarlet and I do agree with that petition - you get it going and I will get hundreds, if not thousands to sign it :) Re UKIP, again thank you - we are working very hard to gain the support and more importantly to keep our promises and remember that we will represent you not ourselves.

Well said Scarlet Pimpernel, I totally agree, pure egotism on the part of J.A. and K.E. self gratification personified, nothing more.

Richard lll Foundation started a petition in August 2012 for Richard to be buried in York if anything was found. It was all over the news and radio stations in York. There was even a petItion. MP's from all over York were written to, emailed including the ones coming out now to have Richard buried in York. What did the MP's in York do in August 2012. NOTHING. This is what happened in August 2012 before the proposed dig?
The York MP's knew that there was a one in million chance of finding any remains, and they could not risk the cost. Do you think that Leicester City Council Tax payers would be happy to meet the cost of a team coming from York to dig a Leicester City Council Car Park up, take the remains and benifit from the tourist trade. No and I would not be happy. York could not afford the gamble and this was a huge gamble. SO THE MP's AND YORK COUNCIL DID NOTHING
So who has paid for this dig? Yes Money was donated from around the world. Just over £10,000. did this cover all the expences for the dig, DNA and carbon tests, the use of the Leicester Royal Infirmary, digging the car park and putting it back, the salaries of the staff, all the Leicester City Council staff that could no longer use the car park need to park somewhere else. So they may have paid to park in the multi storey which is not free. Who has paid for this? All other expences, The Leicester City Council Tax payer? York has not contributed anything.
If nothing was found, Leicester would have been a laughing stock and so would The University of Leicester.
Just say that York did find some money to send a team over to dig up Leicester City Council Car Park and they found nothing. The cost of failure would have been in the news and heads would have rolled especially as people are currently losing their jobs. As I said before York could not afford to gamble and this was a huge gamble.
So the University of Leicester applied for the Licence and got it, therefore The University of Leicester holds the Licence of where Richard 3rd is buried. All this has been signed and completed publicly. This was not done in secret, York knew that Leicester was looking for the remains of Richard 3rd and where he would be buried if anything was found. The MP's in York knew when the Licence was applied for and that this was going on and what did they do? NOTHING, THEY WERE SILENT AND SO WERE YORK COUNCIL.
Now remains have been found and identified, Leicester City Council using the Leicester City Council Tax money have now spent 1 million on a new building, this will increase because it needs work doing to it to bring it upto standard for tourists.
York has suddenly woke up and want the remains. Leicester has done the hard work, spent the money taken all the risks, taken a chance which has paid off against the odds and now York wants a piece.
York kept quite, didn't say a word and did nothing. York was late sending troops to Bosworth in 1485 to assist Richard 3rd and Richard paid with his life. York are late again.”