Who’s fault?

I SEE Lady Thatcher is still getting all the blame for all our ills (Letters, January 26). Just remind me which comedians were supposed to be running the country between 1997 and 2010?

Mr E Sawdon, Whernside Avenue, York.

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10:39am Wed 30 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

Is the answer Blair and his Thatcher-light policies?

So the answer is really Thatcherism.
Is the answer Blair and his Thatcher-light policies? So the answer is really Thatcherism. The Great Buda
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11:12am Wed 30 Jan 13

CynicaloldGit says...

To true Buda. The first person Blair went to see after his election was Thatcher.
He even said that Nu Labour was in no way related to old Labour so get used to it. Thatcher was the one who said it was ok for unbridled greed as it was good for the market.
She also sold off all the country's family silver and still left a deficit, how much would it have been without NS oil or the revenues from selling said familiy silver.
Give your head a shake Mr Sawdon.
To true Buda. The first person Blair went to see after his election was Thatcher. He even said that Nu Labour was in no way related to old Labour so get used to it. Thatcher was the one who said it was ok for unbridled greed as it was good for the market. She also sold off all the country's family silver and still left a deficit, how much would it have been without NS oil or the revenues from selling said familiy silver. Give your head a shake Mr Sawdon. CynicaloldGit
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1:10pm Wed 30 Jan 13

GotOutOfIt says...

CynicaloldGit wrote:
To true Buda. The first person Blair went to see after his election was Thatcher.
He even said that Nu Labour was in no way related to old Labour so get used to it. Thatcher was the one who said it was ok for unbridled greed as it was good for the market.
She also sold off all the country's family silver and still left a deficit, how much would it have been without NS oil or the revenues from selling said familiy silver.
Give your head a shake Mr Sawdon.
And of course, it was Gordon Brown who sold off all the GOLD, and left us with an even bigger deficit.
[quote][p][bold]CynicaloldGit[/bold] wrote: To true Buda. The first person Blair went to see after his election was Thatcher. He even said that Nu Labour was in no way related to old Labour so get used to it. Thatcher was the one who said it was ok for unbridled greed as it was good for the market. She also sold off all the country's family silver and still left a deficit, how much would it have been without NS oil or the revenues from selling said familiy silver. Give your head a shake Mr Sawdon.[/p][/quote]And of course, it was Gordon Brown who sold off all the GOLD, and left us with an even bigger deficit. GotOutOfIt
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2:00pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

The same comedians who are now in opposition - same old Labour, same old lies and spin !
The same comedians who are now in opposition - same old Labour, same old lies and spin ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:36pm Wed 30 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

It is clear that poor decisions by our politicians have left us paying the price. (But we elected them !)
Blair, Brown and the Coalition are certainly no exception and have added to our problems but as the focus is on Mrs Thatcher, perhaps we should look at some of her measures that are with us today:
1)Closure of many of our coal mines.
2) 1989 and the start of the global warming scam, UK. (Note an AGW sceptic since 1994 for those counting U turns)
3) Privatisation of our utilities, essentially meaning higher bills for all.
4) Defence cuts in 1982, leaving the Falkland Islands with just a handful of Royal Marines on them while withdrawing HMS Endurance to Chatham Docks. (We are still paying for this folly today, not to mention 255 lost British and allied lives)
5) The selling off of school playing fields. (Must be a link to childhood obesity here)
6) Ownership of car / van industry to foreign buyers. Closure of some.
7) The Hillsborough cover up.
8) Loss of Union rights / membership for GCHQ employees.
9) Care in the community! Cost cutting to close specialist homes, hospitals and schools. (Costing a fortune now to repair the damage)
10) Sale of social housing.
11) Deregulation of financial services, continued by Gordon Brown with disastrous consequences. (But Mrs T started it)
12) Started the decline and victimisation of the white working class. Labour's more recent open door immigration policy finished the job.

I could think of a few good things to say for Mrs T, such as persuading BA to change that ridiculous, meaningless logo and the EU rebates but I can't match the dozen listed above, just for starters.

I could also list as many for the PM's that followed but Mrs T was certainly much to be desired.
For all this she gets a state funeral !
It is clear that poor decisions by our politicians have left us paying the price. (But we elected them !) Blair, Brown and the Coalition are certainly no exception and have added to our problems but as the focus is on Mrs Thatcher, perhaps we should look at some of her measures that are with us today: 1)Closure of many of our coal mines. 2) 1989 and the start of the global warming scam, UK. (Note an AGW sceptic since 1994 for those counting U turns) 3) Privatisation of our utilities, essentially meaning higher bills for all. 4) Defence cuts in 1982, leaving the Falkland Islands with just a handful of Royal Marines on them while withdrawing HMS Endurance to Chatham Docks. (We are still paying for this folly today, not to mention 255 lost British and allied lives) 5) The selling off of school playing fields. (Must be a link to childhood obesity here) 6) Ownership of car / van industry to foreign buyers. Closure of some. 7) The Hillsborough cover up. 8) Loss of Union rights / membership for GCHQ employees. 9) Care in the community! Cost cutting to close specialist homes, hospitals and schools. (Costing a fortune now to repair the damage) 10) Sale of social housing. 11) Deregulation of financial services, continued by Gordon Brown with disastrous consequences. (But Mrs T started it) 12) Started the decline and victimisation of the white working class. Labour's more recent open door immigration policy finished the job. I could think of a few good things to say for Mrs T, such as persuading BA to change that ridiculous, meaningless logo and the EU rebates but I can't match the dozen listed above, just for starters. I could also list as many for the PM's that followed but Mrs T was certainly much to be desired. For all this she gets a state funeral ! ColdAsChristmas
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3:25pm Wed 30 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

For once, CAC, I agree.

Well maybe not 100%.
For once, CAC, I agree. Well maybe not 100%. The Great Buda
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4:13pm Wed 30 Jan 13

CynicaloldGit says...

GotOutOfIt wrote:
CynicaloldGit wrote:
To true Buda. The first person Blair went to see after his election was Thatcher.
He even said that Nu Labour was in no way related to old Labour so get used to it. Thatcher was the one who said it was ok for unbridled greed as it was good for the market.
She also sold off all the country's family silver and still left a deficit, how much would it have been without NS oil or the revenues from selling said familiy silver.
Give your head a shake Mr Sawdon.
And of course, it was Gordon Brown who sold off all the GOLD, and left us with an even bigger deficit.
GB was part of a non socialist Labour Party.............Nu Labour are simply pink Tories....that is why the country returned a hung paliament, no one could tell the difference.
[quote][p][bold]GotOutOfIt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CynicaloldGit[/bold] wrote: To true Buda. The first person Blair went to see after his election was Thatcher. He even said that Nu Labour was in no way related to old Labour so get used to it. Thatcher was the one who said it was ok for unbridled greed as it was good for the market. She also sold off all the country's family silver and still left a deficit, how much would it have been without NS oil or the revenues from selling said familiy silver. Give your head a shake Mr Sawdon.[/p][/quote]And of course, it was Gordon Brown who sold off all the GOLD, and left us with an even bigger deficit.[/p][/quote]GB was part of a non socialist Labour Party.............Nu Labour are simply pink Tories....that is why the country returned a hung paliament, no one could tell the difference. CynicaloldGit
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4:16pm Wed 30 Jan 13

CynicaloldGit says...

Well I agree with CaC too, and so does history.
Well I agree with CaC too, and so does history. CynicaloldGit
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6:21pm Wed 30 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Many thanks. I'd like to add the 'dash for gas.' Actually it is all a part of #1, closing down the coal mines,
= energy+ jobs. (All lost)
The old git is perfectly correct to talk of Nu Labour as pink Tories.
Ed Miliband fits perfectly into this category. And don't forget it was Miliband that gave you the 2008 Climate Act the Tories have not rescinded. All in it together indeed!
Look at the Coalition and Labour leaderships, hardly a proper job outside of the party machine held between them. No wonder they are now discussing promoting Senior Police officers with no beat experience, even that I doubt Mrs T would have sanctioned!
Many thanks. I'd like to add the 'dash for gas.' Actually it is all a part of #1, closing down the coal mines, = energy+ jobs. (All lost) The old git is perfectly correct to talk of Nu Labour as pink Tories. Ed Miliband fits perfectly into this category. And don't forget it was Miliband that gave you the 2008 Climate Act the Tories have not rescinded. All in it together indeed! Look at the Coalition and Labour leaderships, hardly a proper job outside of the party machine held between them. No wonder they are now discussing promoting Senior Police officers with no beat experience, even that I doubt Mrs T would have sanctioned! ColdAsChristmas
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7:12pm Wed 30 Jan 13

twotonethomas says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
It is clear that poor decisions by our politicians have left us paying the price. (But we elected them !)
Blair, Brown and the Coalition are certainly no exception and have added to our problems but as the focus is on Mrs Thatcher, perhaps we should look at some of her measures that are with us today:
1)Closure of many of our coal mines.
2) 1989 and the start of the global warming scam, UK. (Note an AGW sceptic since 1994 for those counting U turns)
3) Privatisation of our utilities, essentially meaning higher bills for all.
4) Defence cuts in 1982, leaving the Falkland Islands with just a handful of Royal Marines on them while withdrawing HMS Endurance to Chatham Docks. (We are still paying for this folly today, not to mention 255 lost British and allied lives)
5) The selling off of school playing fields. (Must be a link to childhood obesity here)
6) Ownership of car / van industry to foreign buyers. Closure of some.
7) The Hillsborough cover up.
8) Loss of Union rights / membership for GCHQ employees.
9) Care in the community! Cost cutting to close specialist homes, hospitals and schools. (Costing a fortune now to repair the damage)
10) Sale of social housing.
11) Deregulation of financial services, continued by Gordon Brown with disastrous consequences. (But Mrs T started it)
12) Started the decline and victimisation of the white working class. Labour's more recent open door immigration policy finished the job.

I could think of a few good things to say for Mrs T, such as persuading BA to change that ridiculous, meaningless logo and the EU rebates but I can't match the dozen listed above, just for starters.

I could also list as many for the PM's that followed but Mrs T was certainly much to be desired.
For all this she gets a state funeral !
A STATE FUNERAL!

I assume that means an extra bank holiday so we can host street parties :)
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: It is clear that poor decisions by our politicians have left us paying the price. (But we elected them !) Blair, Brown and the Coalition are certainly no exception and have added to our problems but as the focus is on Mrs Thatcher, perhaps we should look at some of her measures that are with us today: 1)Closure of many of our coal mines. 2) 1989 and the start of the global warming scam, UK. (Note an AGW sceptic since 1994 for those counting U turns) 3) Privatisation of our utilities, essentially meaning higher bills for all. 4) Defence cuts in 1982, leaving the Falkland Islands with just a handful of Royal Marines on them while withdrawing HMS Endurance to Chatham Docks. (We are still paying for this folly today, not to mention 255 lost British and allied lives) 5) The selling off of school playing fields. (Must be a link to childhood obesity here) 6) Ownership of car / van industry to foreign buyers. Closure of some. 7) The Hillsborough cover up. 8) Loss of Union rights / membership for GCHQ employees. 9) Care in the community! Cost cutting to close specialist homes, hospitals and schools. (Costing a fortune now to repair the damage) 10) Sale of social housing. 11) Deregulation of financial services, continued by Gordon Brown with disastrous consequences. (But Mrs T started it) 12) Started the decline and victimisation of the white working class. Labour's more recent open door immigration policy finished the job. I could think of a few good things to say for Mrs T, such as persuading BA to change that ridiculous, meaningless logo and the EU rebates but I can't match the dozen listed above, just for starters. I could also list as many for the PM's that followed but Mrs T was certainly much to be desired. For all this she gets a state funeral ![/p][/quote]A STATE FUNERAL! I assume that means an extra bank holiday so we can host street parties :) twotonethomas
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10:01am Thu 31 Jan 13

keepitshut says...

twotonethomas wrote:
ColdAsChristmas wrote: It is clear that poor decisions by our politicians have left us paying the price. (But we elected them !) Blair, Brown and the Coalition are certainly no exception and have added to our problems but as the focus is on Mrs Thatcher, perhaps we should look at some of her measures that are with us today: 1)Closure of many of our coal mines. 2) 1989 and the start of the global warming scam, UK. (Note an AGW sceptic since 1994 for those counting U turns) 3) Privatisation of our utilities, essentially meaning higher bills for all. 4) Defence cuts in 1982, leaving the Falkland Islands with just a handful of Royal Marines on them while withdrawing HMS Endurance to Chatham Docks. (We are still paying for this folly today, not to mention 255 lost British and allied lives) 5) The selling off of school playing fields. (Must be a link to childhood obesity here) 6) Ownership of car / van industry to foreign buyers. Closure of some. 7) The Hillsborough cover up. 8) Loss of Union rights / membership for GCHQ employees. 9) Care in the community! Cost cutting to close specialist homes, hospitals and schools. (Costing a fortune now to repair the damage) 10) Sale of social housing. 11) Deregulation of financial services, continued by Gordon Brown with disastrous consequences. (But Mrs T started it) 12) Started the decline and victimisation of the white working class. Labour's more recent open door immigration policy finished the job. I could think of a few good things to say for Mrs T, such as persuading BA to change that ridiculous, meaningless logo and the EU rebates but I can't match the dozen listed above, just for starters. I could also list as many for the PM's that followed but Mrs T was certainly much to be desired. For all this she gets a state funeral !
A STATE FUNERAL! I assume that means an extra bank holiday so we can host street parties :)
To the tune of "for he's a jolly good fellow"......

Were going to have a party, were going to have a party, the day that Thatcher dies!
[quote][p][bold]twotonethomas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: It is clear that poor decisions by our politicians have left us paying the price. (But we elected them !) Blair, Brown and the Coalition are certainly no exception and have added to our problems but as the focus is on Mrs Thatcher, perhaps we should look at some of her measures that are with us today: 1)Closure of many of our coal mines. 2) 1989 and the start of the global warming scam, UK. (Note an AGW sceptic since 1994 for those counting U turns) 3) Privatisation of our utilities, essentially meaning higher bills for all. 4) Defence cuts in 1982, leaving the Falkland Islands with just a handful of Royal Marines on them while withdrawing HMS Endurance to Chatham Docks. (We are still paying for this folly today, not to mention 255 lost British and allied lives) 5) The selling off of school playing fields. (Must be a link to childhood obesity here) 6) Ownership of car / van industry to foreign buyers. Closure of some. 7) The Hillsborough cover up. 8) Loss of Union rights / membership for GCHQ employees. 9) Care in the community! Cost cutting to close specialist homes, hospitals and schools. (Costing a fortune now to repair the damage) 10) Sale of social housing. 11) Deregulation of financial services, continued by Gordon Brown with disastrous consequences. (But Mrs T started it) 12) Started the decline and victimisation of the white working class. Labour's more recent open door immigration policy finished the job. I could think of a few good things to say for Mrs T, such as persuading BA to change that ridiculous, meaningless logo and the EU rebates but I can't match the dozen listed above, just for starters. I could also list as many for the PM's that followed but Mrs T was certainly much to be desired. For all this she gets a state funeral ![/p][/quote]A STATE FUNERAL! I assume that means an extra bank holiday so we can host street parties :)[/p][/quote]To the tune of "for he's a jolly good fellow"...... Were going to have a party, were going to have a party, the day that Thatcher dies! keepitshut
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10:11am Thu 31 Jan 13

jackhigh says...

How many of you 'socialists' or your parents bought your council houses during her reign ? Are you going to sell them back to the state or will you still, like most of us, keep your snouts in the trough ?
How many of you 'socialists' or your parents bought your council houses during her reign ? Are you going to sell them back to the state or will you still, like most of us, keep your snouts in the trough ? jackhigh
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1:01pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

Because politics is a nasty business I'd just like to point out that the headline -

Who’s fault?


- is wrong. It should be -

Whose fault?



(In case CAC picks me up on being all nitpicky and stuff, I'll remind him that The Press is a newspaper and their business is words. They should be setting an example)
Because politics is a nasty business I'd just like to point out that the headline - [quote]Who’s fault?[/quote] - is wrong. It should be - [quote]Whose fault?[/quote] (In case CAC picks me up on being all nitpicky and stuff, I'll remind him that The Press is a newspaper and their business is words. They should be setting an example) Buzz Light-year
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2:41pm Thu 31 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

No problem with that Buzz, I'm all for high standards of literacy.

jackhigh, I take your point about the Council house sell off, it is a little bit like the Jewish dilemma of free ham.
However, I would at least like to think that the points I made both for and against Mrs Thatcher were based on fact and historical reality and certainly not any political leaning.
Simply following a party line or leader, regardless of the impact is one of the biggest threats to our democracy. (What democracy you might add?) Well, it is up to you and I to break the three party deadlock.
No problem with that Buzz, I'm all for high standards of literacy. jackhigh, I take your point about the Council house sell off, it is a little bit like the Jewish dilemma of free ham. However, I would at least like to think that the points I made both for and against Mrs Thatcher were based on fact and historical reality and certainly not any political leaning. Simply following a party line or leader, regardless of the impact is one of the biggest threats to our democracy. (What democracy you might add?) Well, it is up to you and I to break the three party deadlock. ColdAsChristmas
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6:42pm Thu 31 Jan 13

andyjon12 says...

I've recently bought a rather nice bottle of vintage champagne which I'm keeping in my fridge for when Mrs Thatcher ceases to be of this world, it will be one "hell" of a party. Thatcher, the wicked witch should have been burnt at the stake a long time ago!
I've recently bought a rather nice bottle of vintage champagne which I'm keeping in my fridge for when Mrs Thatcher ceases to be of this world, it will be one "hell" of a party. Thatcher, the wicked witch should have been burnt at the stake a long time ago! andyjon12
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9:10pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

No problem with that Buzz, I'm all for high standards of literacy.

Then we be down, bruv.
[quote]No problem with that Buzz, I'm all for high standards of literacy. [/quote] Then we be down, bruv. Buzz Light-year
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