Speech raises a host of questions

SO THE hares are now running. The broadcasters are now seen and heard frothing at the mouth discussing David Cameron’s proposed (2018) “in/out” referendum.

That is, provided the Tories win the 2015 General Election and can successfully chivvy the EU into serious and significant reforms which see a reduction in unnecessary (who decides?) EU “regulation”. Most of us prefer the term (EU) “bureaucracy”, which is not a word likely to appear in any bureaucracy’s PR lexicon.

What happens if the EU does not, or cannot, deliver the reforms a great many Brits think essential? Where is Cameron’s contingency in his promised referendum covering this outcome?

Will the UK be left to grin and bear it? Or will a future, all-Tory administration, which may or may not still include Scotland in its remit, simply commence EU withdrawal negotiations without further reference to the electorate? Will we be at risk of seeing the UK withdrawing while, possibly, an independent Scotland strives to get past the Maastricht barriers to EU entry?

We deserve to be told. This all surely needs to be clarified, well ahead of the 2015 election.

Nick Blitz, South Lane, Haxby, York.

 

• IN THE wake of the Prime Minister’s latest attempt to keep his divided party together, I finally understand the UKIP/right-wing Tory dream and have a proposal of my own.

The British can be champions at every single sport if only we stand up and say no to all those pesky meddling foreigners.

At the Rio Olympics, while the rest of the world runs their pointless metric races, we will run on our own separate British running tracks. While they are still running the 100 metres, we will have finished our 100 glorious and imperial yards.

While their weightlifters struggle with 200 bureaucratic kilos, we will stand proudly with 201 pounds high above our heads. No more standing in line with other lesser nations. No more red tape, only the winning tape, masters of all we survey.

Right-wing nationalist cheers will ring out as we throw our bowler hats in the air and clutch our special gold medals, triumphant, happy and… alone.

Christian Vassie, Blake Court, Wheldrake, York.

 

• AT ONE fell swoop, the Prime Minister’s speech writers have moved to win the next election with a long-awaited promise of a referendum on in/out of the European Union.

It may be a long time to the next election, but this throws the first punch.

This has pulled the rug from under Ukip, which could bring back many of the right-wing Tory voters who joined Ukip for such a referendum. This should also shut up the Tory backbenchers who have been a thorn in the Prime Minister’s side over Europe.

This also puts blue water between the Tories and the Liberal Democrats before the next election, leaving them outside the popular vote which is for leaving the EU without discussion.

Labour cannot beat this promise and their approach to the next election must give a plausible answer to the challenge now presented.

Mr Cameron does not wish to leave the EU so this is just an election ploy which could go wrong if the negative publicity in our press changed to a positive and honest appraisal of the EU, but that could be too much to hope for.

One must congratulate the Prime Minister or his advisors on this change of tack.

Dennis Barton, Woodthorpe, York.

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11:15am Fri 25 Jan 13

Maquis says...

It looks quite simple to me,

If Cameron is in office (and has a majority) after the next election, he will hold a referendum.

He will advocate staying in.

The next few years will be spent discovering the conditions that will be in place when it comes to that point.

He will negotiate for the best deal he can, if its considerably better than it is now, we (the people) will probably vote to stay in. If is is not better and the EU countries dig their heels in, we will probably vote to come out.

Vassies comments are simply childish and show that regardless of the unnecessary burdens of "how straight your bananas must be" and "no you cannot deport terrorists, just give them a nice house in the suburbs" that the EU enforce on us, his Lib Dem party would expect us to take it, and pay for the privilege.
It looks quite simple to me, If Cameron is in office (and has a majority) after the next election, he will hold a referendum. He will advocate staying in. The next few years will be spent discovering the conditions that will be in place when it comes to that point. He will negotiate for the best deal he can, if its considerably better than it is now, we (the people) will probably vote to stay in. If is is not better and the EU countries dig their heels in, we will probably vote to come out. Vassies comments are simply childish and show that regardless of the unnecessary burdens of "how straight your bananas must be" and "no you cannot deport terrorists, just give them a nice house in the suburbs" that the EU enforce on us, his Lib Dem party would expect us to take it, and pay for the privilege. Maquis

11:54am Fri 25 Jan 13

Yorkieand says...

Vassies comments are hardly childish.That's exactly how normal people see these right wing nutters and are probably pretty close to the mark with your average UKIP member/voter and, I suspect, a fair few Tories too.
Vassies comments are hardly childish.That's exactly how normal people see these right wing nutters and are probably pretty close to the mark with your average UKIP member/voter and, I suspect, a fair few Tories too. Yorkieand

1:28pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Yorkieand wrote:
Vassies comments are hardly childish.That's exactly how normal people see these right wing nutters and are probably pretty close to the mark with your average UKIP member/voter and, I suspect, a fair few Tories too.
The right wing are 'normal people'. It's the 'looney left' who will sell this country to the dogs.

Read the Proposed EU Constitution, and see what the UK will be subjected to.

We will be overun with immigrants, fully entitled to benefits that they have not contributed towards.

Get us out.

VOTE UKIP !
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: Vassies comments are hardly childish.That's exactly how normal people see these right wing nutters and are probably pretty close to the mark with your average UKIP member/voter and, I suspect, a fair few Tories too.[/p][/quote]The right wing are 'normal people'. It's the 'looney left' who will sell this country to the dogs. Read the Proposed EU Constitution, and see what the UK will be subjected to. We will be overun with immigrants, fully entitled to benefits that they have not contributed towards. Get us out. VOTE UKIP ! Scarlet Pimpernel

1:42pm Fri 25 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

I knew you where a nutter.
I knew you where a nutter. The Great Buda

2:23pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Takes one to know one !
Takes one to know one ! Scarlet Pimpernel

4:03pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Tug job says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Takes one to know one !
Oh, do grow up, there's a good chap.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: Takes one to know one ![/p][/quote]Oh, do grow up, there's a good chap. Tug job

4:16pm Fri 25 Jan 13

twotonethomas says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Yorkieand wrote:
Vassies comments are hardly childish.That's exactly how normal people see these right wing nutters and are probably pretty close to the mark with your average UKIP member/voter and, I suspect, a fair few Tories too.
The right wing are 'normal people'. It's the 'looney left' who will sell this country to the dogs.

Read the Proposed EU Constitution, and see what the UK will be subjected to.

We will be overun with immigrants, fully entitled to benefits that they have not contributed towards.

Get us out.

VOTE UKIP !
Yes those loony lefties who took us in under Edward Heath!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: Vassies comments are hardly childish.That's exactly how normal people see these right wing nutters and are probably pretty close to the mark with your average UKIP member/voter and, I suspect, a fair few Tories too.[/p][/quote]The right wing are 'normal people'. It's the 'looney left' who will sell this country to the dogs. Read the Proposed EU Constitution, and see what the UK will be subjected to. We will be overun with immigrants, fully entitled to benefits that they have not contributed towards. Get us out. VOTE UKIP ![/p][/quote]Yes those loony lefties who took us in under Edward Heath!!!! twotonethomas

4:53pm Fri 25 Jan 13

CynicaloldGit says...

You are all nutters if you believe anything a politician says, Right Left or one we haven't even heard of yet.
Non of them can lie straight in bed, they promise the earth when in oppsition, but when they get power, they find it isn't that easy.
You are all nutters if you believe anything a politician says, Right Left or one we haven't even heard of yet. Non of them can lie straight in bed, they promise the earth when in oppsition, but when they get power, they find it isn't that easy. CynicaloldGit

4:54pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Maquis says...

Yorkieand wrote:
Vassies comments are hardly childish.That's exactly how normal people see these right wing nutters and are probably pretty close to the mark with your average UKIP member/voter and, I suspect, a fair few Tories too.
They are indeed childish. To extrapolate that we will go back to imperial measurements and set up our own olympics if we leave the EU is stupid. What next? will we go back to pre decimal currency?
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: Vassies comments are hardly childish.That's exactly how normal people see these right wing nutters and are probably pretty close to the mark with your average UKIP member/voter and, I suspect, a fair few Tories too.[/p][/quote]They are indeed childish. To extrapolate that we will go back to imperial measurements and set up our own olympics if we leave the EU is stupid. What next? will we go back to pre decimal currency? Maquis

4:37am Sat 26 Jan 13

jorvik says...

Yorkieand wrote:
Vassies comments are hardly childish.That's exactly how normal people see these right wing nutters and are probably pretty close to the mark with your average UKIP member/voter and, I suspect, a fair few Tories too.
Christian vassie has got to be one of the biggest tools on this planet
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieand[/bold] wrote: Vassies comments are hardly childish.That's exactly how normal people see these right wing nutters and are probably pretty close to the mark with your average UKIP member/voter and, I suspect, a fair few Tories too.[/p][/quote]Christian vassie has got to be one of the biggest tools on this planet jorvik

9:22am Sat 26 Jan 13

Micklegate says...

What a stupid letter from Christian Vassie. The point on EU withdrawal equating to leaving Olympics events is so ridiculous it doesn't deserve reply.

I will just reply to his divided party comment though, this Christian Vassie from Wheldrake is presumably a different one to the Chritian Vassie of Wheldrake who in 2010 alienated virtually all Lib Dems in York so when he was there PPC in York his helpers consisted of one man and a dog. It is presumably also a different one to the Chritian Vassie of Wheldrake who often disagreed with his group while a councillor, felt out with many councillors and eventually lost the party whip and got and more and more left out to become a virtual independent.

I had no idea there were so many Christian Vassies in York.
What a stupid letter from Christian Vassie. The point on EU withdrawal equating to leaving Olympics events is so ridiculous it doesn't deserve reply. I will just reply to his divided party comment though, this Christian Vassie from Wheldrake is presumably a different one to the Chritian Vassie of Wheldrake who in 2010 alienated virtually all Lib Dems in York so when he was there PPC in York his helpers consisted of one man and a dog. It is presumably also a different one to the Chritian Vassie of Wheldrake who often disagreed with his group while a councillor, felt out with many councillors and eventually lost the party whip and got and more and more left out to become a virtual independent. I had no idea there were so many Christian Vassies in York. Micklegate

10:58am Sat 26 Jan 13

ak7274 says...

The last man to enter parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes
The last man to enter parliament with honest intentions was Guy Fawkes ak7274

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