Who is this taxing group allied to?

ALERTED to the intention of the Taxpayers’ Alliance to hold a demonstration outside York’s Guildhall, last Friday, through their Facebook posting, I turned up to see what these self-appointed campaigners looked like. Imagine my disappointment when, despite a police presence, absolutely no one appeared.

Clearly this is proof positive that they are merely a front organisation, funded by extremists who represent no one.

Despite them receiving disproportionate publicity for their countless press releases, mainly in right-wing newspapers acting as house journals for the Tory party (and sometimes even in The Press), the Taxpayers’ Alliance should be given no credence.

If they wish to be taken seriously, they should come clean and tell us how many paid-up members they have, where their funding comes from and who they really represent. After all, I am a taxpayer and nobody has ever asked me to join.

Coun Sandy Fraser (Labour), Micklegate Ward, Millfield Road, York.

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12:12pm Thu 24 Jan 13

The Great Buda says...

The Tax Payers Alliance is a group of Conservatives who feel they have a right too not pay their fair share of Tax.

They specialise in highlighting wasted tax, fronted by none other than Liam "take my mates on holiday at the tax payers expense" Fox.

A sham of a group.
The Tax Payers Alliance is a group of Conservatives who feel they have a right too not pay their fair share of Tax. They specialise in highlighting wasted tax, fronted by none other than Liam "take my mates on holiday at the tax payers expense" Fox. A sham of a group. The Great Buda

12:17pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Older Sometimes Wiser says...

The thought of dour Sandy on Facebook makes me smile. I wouldn't have thought he had the time or inclination.
The thought of dour Sandy on Facebook makes me smile. I wouldn't have thought he had the time or inclination. Older Sometimes Wiser

1:54pm Thu 24 Jan 13

YSTClinguist says...

The Great Buda wrote:
The Tax Payers Alliance is a group of Conservatives who feel they have a right too not pay their fair share of Tax.

They specialise in highlighting wasted tax, fronted by none other than Liam "take my mates on holiday at the tax payers expense" Fox.

A sham of a group.
But.....their website clearly states they are an Independent group. Surely with all the systems in place to prevent misadvertising and misrepresentation this group couldn't exist, could it?
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: The Tax Payers Alliance is a group of Conservatives who feel they have a right too not pay their fair share of Tax. They specialise in highlighting wasted tax, fronted by none other than Liam "take my mates on holiday at the tax payers expense" Fox. A sham of a group.[/p][/quote]But.....their website clearly states they are an Independent group. Surely with all the systems in place to prevent misadvertising and misrepresentation this group couldn't exist, could it? YSTClinguist

3:07pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Ichabod76 says...

Why after 13 years of Labour leadership was nothing done to close these tax loopholes ?
Why after 13 years of Labour leadership was nothing done to close these tax loopholes ? Ichabod76

3:24pm Thu 24 Jan 13

CynicaloldGit says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
Why after 13 years of Labour leadership was nothing done to close these tax loopholes ?
That my dear Ichabod is because new labour are really red Tories not socialists.
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: Why after 13 years of Labour leadership was nothing done to close these tax loopholes ?[/p][/quote]That my dear Ichabod is because new labour are really red Tories not socialists. CynicaloldGit

3:44pm Thu 24 Jan 13

rothko says...

I don't know if it is still the case, but this article in the Guardian in 2009 showed that one of their directors doesn't even pay UK tax http://www.guardian.
co.uk/politics/2009/
oct/09/taxpayers-all
iance-director-tax
I don't know if it is still the case, but this article in the Guardian in 2009 showed that one of their directors doesn't even pay UK tax http://www.guardian. co.uk/politics/2009/ oct/09/taxpayers-all iance-director-tax rothko

5:16pm Thu 24 Jan 13

yorkshirelad says...

I suppose people have every right to forma group that want a low tax (and likely low public service) country.

But I agree, the name is a very deliberate con. What about all the tax payers that believe that,while none of us like to have our hard earned money taken away at source, tax is a decent thing.

It's tax that funds our schools hospitals, roads...it's tax that looks after us if we get very sick and when we get very old. It's tax that funds major infrastructure.

So I'm a tax payer and they most certainly don't represent me. They are in fact a group of shady right wingers....

Like 'The Tea Party' in the US, it all sounds very nice...but in fact it's all highly dodgy, extremist stuff.

Who funds them...what are the links to big corporate business, the Tory Party and the Tory press?
I suppose people have every right to forma group that want a low tax (and likely low public service) country. But I agree, the name is a very deliberate con. What about all the tax payers that believe that,while none of us like to have our hard earned money taken away at source, tax is a decent thing. It's tax that funds our schools hospitals, roads...it's tax that looks after us if we get very sick and when we get very old. It's tax that funds major infrastructure. So I'm a tax payer and they most certainly don't represent me. They are in fact a group of shady right wingers.... Like 'The Tea Party' in the US, it all sounds very nice...but in fact it's all highly dodgy, extremist stuff. Who funds them...what are the links to big corporate business, the Tory Party and the Tory press? yorkshirelad

6:32pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Maquis says...

I am not a member of the TPA, however I do know some members and apparently their leaders are not paid for with a penny of public money, but subscriptions unlike their union opposites who are regularly paid for by government / council money.

They may be further to the right than myself, but they do serve to highlight some important issues which allow them to be debated, the same as the unions who are highlighting issues of the left. Listening to both arguments helps to make a balanced and correct decision.

They may have members of the conservative party among their numbers, but so what. It does not mean that the party itself is behind them. Ed Balls may be a member of his local golf club, but it does not mean that the club speaks for the Labour party.

This letter from Councilor Fraser simply shows that Labour (Who is is actively speaking on behalf of) cannot cope with any group or person who calls into question their tax and spend policies which have left the country in such a mess.
I am not a member of the TPA, however I do know some members and apparently their leaders are not paid for with a penny of public money, but subscriptions unlike their union opposites who are regularly paid for by government / council money. They may be further to the right than myself, but they do serve to highlight some important issues which allow them to be debated, the same as the unions who are highlighting issues of the left. Listening to both arguments helps to make a balanced and correct decision. They may have members of the conservative party among their numbers, but so what. It does not mean that the party itself is behind them. Ed Balls may be a member of his local golf club, but it does not mean that the club speaks for the Labour party. This letter from Councilor Fraser simply shows that Labour (Who is is actively speaking on behalf of) cannot cope with any group or person who calls into question their tax and spend policies which have left the country in such a mess. Maquis

11:14pm Thu 24 Jan 13

Richard Feynman says...

Imagine my disappointment when, despite a police presence, absolutely no one appeared.

Absolutely no one? I thought you said the po-po were there?

Why are you lying to me?

Get your claws out of my wallet, comrade.
Imagine my disappointment when, despite a police presence, absolutely no one appeared. Absolutely no one? I thought you said the po-po were there? Why are you lying to me? Get your claws out of my wallet, comrade. Richard Feynman

1:32am Fri 25 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Taken from the TPA website.....

The TPA's mission is to:

Reverse the perception that big government is necessary and irreversible.

Explain the benefits of a low tax economy.

Give taxpayers a voice in the corridors of power.

We achieve this by releasing pioneering research into taxation and government spending. Our research team uses the Freedom of Information (FoI) Act to uncover information previously hidden from taxpayers. In the last year we’ve written 28 papers based on more than 4,100 FOI requests. We also publish books to build on our research, most recently Let Them Eat Carbon and How to Cut Public Spending (and Still Win an Election).

http://www.taxpayers
alliance.com/
Taken from the TPA website..... The TPA's mission is to: Reverse the perception that big government is necessary and irreversible. Explain the benefits of a low tax economy. Give taxpayers a voice in the corridors of power. We achieve this by releasing pioneering research into taxation and government spending. Our research team uses the Freedom of Information (FoI) Act to uncover information previously hidden from taxpayers. In the last year we’ve written 28 papers based on more than 4,100 FOI requests. We also publish books to build on our research, most recently Let Them Eat Carbon and How to Cut Public Spending (and Still Win an Election). http://www.taxpayers alliance.com/ Scarlet Pimpernel

1:34am Fri 25 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

What are Coun Fraser and his band of comrades afraid of ?
What are Coun Fraser and his band of comrades afraid of ? Scarlet Pimpernel

1:20pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Zetkin says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
What are Coun Fraser and his band of comrades afraid of ?
Probably not fear, but irritation that so much of the media hangs off every word the TPA utters, and breatlessly repeats it as if it were the word of God handed down from Sinai, instead of honestly reporting that it's the opinion of a tiny group of rich people trying to get richer by evading their responsibility to society.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: What are Coun Fraser and his band of comrades afraid of ?[/p][/quote]Probably not fear, but irritation that so much of the media hangs off every word the TPA utters, and breatlessly repeats it as if it were the word of God handed down from Sinai, instead of honestly reporting that it's the opinion of a tiny group of rich people trying to get richer by evading their responsibility to society. Zetkin

5:02pm Fri 25 Jan 13

CynicaloldGit says...

Oh I love the term "tax Payer" when they really mean "income tax payer or corporation tax payer" because we all pay taxes.
The benefit claiment, pays back 20% of their benefits as soon as they buy goods and services, on electricity, gas, water, all the things we cannot live without, food being an exception, unless of course they have to eat fish n chips or McDonalds or Greggs pasties if their leckky or gas has ran out.

What the TPA really means is that they don't want to pay tax on what they earn, they want their cleaners to pay more tax than their companies and they certainly don't want to have their taxes given to the poor, unemployed and sick and disabled, when there used to be a perfectly good system years ago called the Parish workhouse.

What was it me old ma used to say.......greed begets greed and much wants more.
Oh I love the term "tax Payer" when they really mean "income tax payer or corporation tax payer" because we all pay taxes. The benefit claiment, pays back 20% of their benefits as soon as they buy goods and services, on electricity, gas, water, all the things we cannot live without, food being an exception, unless of course they have to eat fish n chips or McDonalds or Greggs pasties if their leckky or gas has ran out. What the TPA really means is that they don't want to pay tax on what they earn, they want their cleaners to pay more tax than their companies and they certainly don't want to have their taxes given to the poor, unemployed and sick and disabled, when there used to be a perfectly good system years ago called the Parish workhouse. What was it me old ma used to say.......greed begets greed and much wants more. CynicaloldGit

5:04pm Fri 25 Jan 13

CynicaloldGit says...

PS, I can remember when there was a super tax, I think it was something like 98% and you know what my mates and myself used to say.........."I wish I had the chance to pay that much"...........anyo
ne guess why?
PS, I can remember when there was a super tax, I think it was something like 98% and you know what my mates and myself used to say.........."I wish I had the chance to pay that much"...........anyo ne guess why? CynicaloldGit

11:09pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Zetkin wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
What are Coun Fraser and his band of comrades afraid of ?
Probably not fear, but irritation that so much of the media hangs off every word the TPA utters, and breatlessly repeats it as if it were the word of God handed down from Sinai, instead of honestly reporting that it's the opinion of a tiny group of rich people trying to get richer by evading their responsibility to society.
Did it ever strike you that government and councils might actually sometimes waste tax-payers money ?
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: What are Coun Fraser and his band of comrades afraid of ?[/p][/quote]Probably not fear, but irritation that so much of the media hangs off every word the TPA utters, and breatlessly repeats it as if it were the word of God handed down from Sinai, instead of honestly reporting that it's the opinion of a tiny group of rich people trying to get richer by evading their responsibility to society.[/p][/quote]Did it ever strike you that government and councils might actually sometimes waste tax-payers money ? Scarlet Pimpernel

11:11pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

CynicaloldGit wrote:
Oh I love the term "tax Payer" when they really mean "income tax payer or corporation tax payer" because we all pay taxes.
The benefit claiment, pays back 20% of their benefits as soon as they buy goods and services, on electricity, gas, water, all the things we cannot live without, food being an exception, unless of course they have to eat fish n chips or McDonalds or Greggs pasties if their leckky or gas has ran out.

What the TPA really means is that they don't want to pay tax on what they earn, they want their cleaners to pay more tax than their companies and they certainly don't want to have their taxes given to the poor, unemployed and sick and disabled, when there used to be a perfectly good system years ago called the Parish workhouse.

What was it me old ma used to say.......greed begets greed and much wants more.
I wonder how may of the TPA critics have bothered to read their blogs ?
[quote][p][bold]CynicaloldGit[/bold] wrote: Oh I love the term "tax Payer" when they really mean "income tax payer or corporation tax payer" because we all pay taxes. The benefit claiment, pays back 20% of their benefits as soon as they buy goods and services, on electricity, gas, water, all the things we cannot live without, food being an exception, unless of course they have to eat fish n chips or McDonalds or Greggs pasties if their leckky or gas has ran out. What the TPA really means is that they don't want to pay tax on what they earn, they want their cleaners to pay more tax than their companies and they certainly don't want to have their taxes given to the poor, unemployed and sick and disabled, when there used to be a perfectly good system years ago called the Parish workhouse. What was it me old ma used to say.......greed begets greed and much wants more.[/p][/quote]I wonder how may of the TPA critics have bothered to read their blogs ? Scarlet Pimpernel

7:00am Sat 26 Jan 13

oi oi savaloy says...

The Great Buda wrote:
The Tax Payers Alliance is a group of Conservatives who feel they have a right too not pay their fair share of Tax. They specialise in highlighting wasted tax, fronted by none other than Liam "take my mates on holiday at the tax payers expense" Fox. A sham of a group.
Er wrong on my account! I am an ex labour voter 25 years of voting labour and will not be voting for them at next election , undecided who to vote for yet, but it definitely won't be labour! Plus I pay paye, vat, n.i. And full council tax ... And sandy Fraser should have maybe looked into it a bit more anybody can sign up to join the alliance and it was also called off well in advance... An email went out... Don't know if it was mentioned on FB I didn't look... But also he can see what some members look like on the alliance website there is a gallery, or is sandy Fraser really that thick?
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: The Tax Payers Alliance is a group of Conservatives who feel they have a right too not pay their fair share of Tax. They specialise in highlighting wasted tax, fronted by none other than Liam "take my mates on holiday at the tax payers expense" Fox. A sham of a group.[/p][/quote]Er wrong on my account! I am an ex labour voter 25 years of voting labour and will not be voting for them at next election , undecided who to vote for yet, but it definitely won't be labour! Plus I pay paye, vat, n.i. And full council tax ... And sandy Fraser should have maybe looked into it a bit more anybody can sign up to join the alliance and it was also called off well in advance... An email went out... Don't know if it was mentioned on FB I didn't look... But also he can see what some members look like on the alliance website there is a gallery, or is sandy Fraser really that thick? oi oi savaloy

8:30am Sat 26 Jan 13

perplexed says...

The charitable arm of the Taxpayers' Alliance — the Politics and Economics Research Trust — has been under investigation by regulators following allegations that the group may have used the trust to gain tax relief for donations intended to fund political research.

In 2009 it was reported in December of the same year that the alliance requested certain of its donors — identified as "private businessman" located in the English Midlands - to channel funds through the trust for research into policies which might potentially damage their commercial interests.This move allegedly allowed the Alliance to receive tax relief on the donations; tax accountants have stated that the move potentially breached charity law, as UK commission guidelines state that organisations may not be charitable if they have political purposes.


A spokesman for the Charity Commission was quoted as saying that the "scope of the investigation is to address the allegations relating to the charity's relationship with the Taxpayers' Alliance"; such cases are opened when "available information indicates misconduct or is management has occurred" or otherwise when actions "may have been improper".

Sounds objective to me!
The charitable arm of the Taxpayers' Alliance — the Politics and Economics Research Trust — has been under investigation by regulators following allegations that the group may have used the trust to gain tax relief for donations intended to fund political research. In 2009 it was reported in December of the same year that the alliance requested certain of its donors — identified as "private businessman" located in the English Midlands - to channel funds through the trust for research into policies which might potentially damage their commercial interests.This move allegedly allowed the Alliance to receive tax relief on the donations; tax accountants have stated that the move potentially breached charity law, as UK commission guidelines state that organisations may not be charitable if they have political purposes. A spokesman for the Charity Commission was quoted as saying that the "scope of the investigation is to address the allegations relating to the charity's relationship with the Taxpayers' Alliance"; such cases are opened when "available information indicates misconduct or is management has occurred" or otherwise when actions "may have been improper". Sounds objective to me! perplexed

12:55pm Sat 26 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
The Great Buda wrote: The Tax Payers Alliance is a group of Conservatives who feel they have a right too not pay their fair share of Tax. They specialise in highlighting wasted tax, fronted by none other than Liam "take my mates on holiday at the tax payers expense" Fox. A sham of a group.
Er wrong on my account! I am an ex labour voter 25 years of voting labour and will not be voting for them at next election , undecided who to vote for yet, but it definitely won't be labour! Plus I pay paye, vat, n.i. And full council tax ... And sandy Fraser should have maybe looked into it a bit more anybody can sign up to join the alliance and it was also called off well in advance... An email went out... Don't know if it was mentioned on FB I didn't look... But also he can see what some members look like on the alliance website there is a gallery, or is sandy Fraser really that thick?
Fraser is not thick, he's a devious mischief-making, ex-Union shop steward.

Highlighting wasted tax, as the TPA do, is a laudable endeavour. Wasting tax as Labour and the left do, is not !
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: The Tax Payers Alliance is a group of Conservatives who feel they have a right too not pay their fair share of Tax. They specialise in highlighting wasted tax, fronted by none other than Liam "take my mates on holiday at the tax payers expense" Fox. A sham of a group.[/p][/quote]Er wrong on my account! I am an ex labour voter 25 years of voting labour and will not be voting for them at next election , undecided who to vote for yet, but it definitely won't be labour! Plus I pay paye, vat, n.i. And full council tax ... And sandy Fraser should have maybe looked into it a bit more anybody can sign up to join the alliance and it was also called off well in advance... An email went out... Don't know if it was mentioned on FB I didn't look... But also he can see what some members look like on the alliance website there is a gallery, or is sandy Fraser really that thick?[/p][/quote]Fraser is not thick, he's a devious mischief-making, ex-Union shop steward. Highlighting wasted tax, as the TPA do, is a laudable endeavour. Wasting tax as Labour and the left do, is not ! Scarlet Pimpernel

3:39pm Sat 26 Jan 13

CynicaloldGit says...

Highlighting wasted tax, as the TPA do, is a laudable endeavour. Wasting tax as Labour and the left do, is not !”

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Does that include wasting public money on Trident or supporting the Arab Spring, flogging off public part owned banks at knockdown prices etc etc etc
Highlighting wasted tax, as the TPA do, is a laudable endeavour. Wasting tax as Labour and the left do, is not !” ==================== ======== Does that include wasting public money on Trident or supporting the Arab Spring, flogging off public part owned banks at knockdown prices etc etc etc CynicaloldGit

4:40pm Sat 26 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

CynicaloldGit wrote:
Highlighting wasted tax, as the TPA do, is a laudable endeavour. Wasting tax as Labour and the left do, is not !”

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Does that include wasting public money on Trident or supporting the Arab Spring, flogging off public part owned banks at knockdown prices etc etc etc
Labour were happy to retain and operate Trident at an annual cost of £3-4 billion during their tenure.

When were the banks flogged off ?
[quote][p][bold]CynicaloldGit[/bold] wrote: Highlighting wasted tax, as the TPA do, is a laudable endeavour. Wasting tax as Labour and the left do, is not !” ==================== ======== Does that include wasting public money on Trident or supporting the Arab Spring, flogging off public part owned banks at knockdown prices etc etc etc[/p][/quote]Labour were happy to retain and operate Trident at an annual cost of £3-4 billion during their tenure. When were the banks flogged off ? Scarlet Pimpernel

9:51am Mon 28 Jan 13

yorkshirelad says...

The con is in the name...essentially that they represent 'taxpayers'...i.e. virtually all of us.

They don't, of course. I'm not sure anyone really knows where their substantial funding comes from. But I think largely from wealthy donors and industrialists...tax
-payers maybe, but hardly representative.

They are widely seen as on the extreme right... perhaps they should be called 'The extreme right wing tax payers alliance'.

They don't represent the vast majority of decent tax paying people in the UK who will have a wide range of views on tax - not one extreme right-wing view.
The con is in the name...essentially that they represent 'taxpayers'...i.e. virtually all of us. They don't, of course. I'm not sure anyone really knows where their substantial funding comes from. But I think largely from wealthy donors and industrialists...tax -payers maybe, but hardly representative. They are widely seen as on the extreme right... perhaps they should be called 'The extreme right wing tax payers alliance'. They don't represent the vast majority of decent tax paying people in the UK who will have a wide range of views on tax - not one extreme right-wing view. yorkshirelad

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