Authorities should not be torturers

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I WOULD like to comment on the conditions in which Abu Hamza and others are held in the US while they are being tried.

I am not opposed to the death penalty being carried out if it is proven that innocent life was taken as a direct result of a criminal’s activities, but I am opposed to the authorities acting like torturers.

For example, Second World War criminals were tried and hanged, for revolting crimes against humanity, but the Allies did not in any way deliberately inflict other suffering on the camp commandants and Gestapo leaders they had before them.

In Hamza’s case, he is being held in solitary with deprivation of any human contact, other than speaking to his lawyers whom he is not allowed to see.

Any reader can find out about supermax conditions in the US. These conditions amount to barbaric mental suffering which can be described fairly as torture. In the Second World War, the Allies did not lower themselves to the same level as the Japanese doctors who did unspeakable things to their captives. Neither should we condone barbaric US practices by allowing extradition where supermax conditions are to be expected.

It makes us worse than executioners.

Chris Clayton, Hempland Drive, York.

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10:39am Sat 19 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Chris, it is Hamza's own actions that have brought him to his current situation, and may I say not before time too.
I'm actually against a death penalty but thankfully the days of Hamza sponging off the UK tax payer are gone.
As well as in-sighting young Muslims to commit terrorism, he also preached that it was fair game to 'shoot and loot' Jewish and christian owned businesses.
Then consider his hatred for this country that gave him sanctuary.
On BBC News night, Jeremy Paxman asked Hamza that; if he hated this country so much, why didn't he just leave?
Hamza's answer was: 'I am like in toilet, surrounded by minefield.'
I never forgot that.
Hamza deserves all he gets and let that be a warning to others of his like!
Chris, it is Hamza's own actions that have brought him to his current situation, and may I say not before time too. I'm actually against a death penalty but thankfully the days of Hamza sponging off the UK tax payer are gone. As well as in-sighting young Muslims to commit terrorism, he also preached that it was fair game to 'shoot and loot' Jewish and christian owned businesses. Then consider his hatred for this country that gave him sanctuary. On BBC News night, Jeremy Paxman asked Hamza that; if he hated this country so much, why didn't he just leave? Hamza's answer was: 'I am like in toilet, surrounded by minefield.' I never forgot that. Hamza deserves all he gets and let that be a warning to others of his like! ColdAsChristmas
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11:06am Sat 19 Jan 13

jorvik says...

Hamza and his ilk deserve everything they get,I hope he is getting waterboarded as we speak and provides information that can be acted on swiftly by drones to wipe these vermin out
Hamza and his ilk deserve everything they get,I hope he is getting waterboarded as we speak and provides information that can be acted on swiftly by drones to wipe these vermin out jorvik
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11:46am Sat 19 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

inciting
inciting Buzz Light-year
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12:39pm Sat 19 Jan 13

sensationalism says...

Are we certain he hasn't left any family claiming benefits in the UK?
Are we certain he hasn't left any family claiming benefits in the UK? sensationalism
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12:45pm Sat 19 Jan 13

/kev/null says...

Come on guys let's not resort to infiting, only the terrorists benefit.

Even if you believe Abu Hamza is deserving of inhuman treatment (and you should take a long hard look at yourself if you do) it's worth considering detainees like Shaker Aamer who's been in Guantanamo Bay for over 10 years now despite there being no evidence against him, and he will likely never get a trial.

As soon as you concede that these measures are appropriate for one prisoner you open the possibility of them being used on everybody else. I hope they don't come for your family in the night.
Come on guys let's not resort to infiting, only the terrorists benefit. Even if you believe Abu Hamza is deserving of inhuman treatment (and you should take a long hard look at yourself if you do) it's worth considering detainees like Shaker Aamer who's been in Guantanamo Bay for over 10 years now despite there being no evidence against him, and he will likely never get a trial. As soon as you concede that these measures are appropriate for one prisoner you open the possibility of them being used on everybody else. I hope they don't come for your family in the night. /kev/null
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7:47pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Seadog says...

Whatever one thinks about the death penalty, Chris Clayton makes a perfectly valid point. Torture is just plain wrong - whether inflicted by Nazis at Treblinka; Communists in the Gulags; Brits in Kenya and Castlereagh, or the Yanks at Guantanamo.

As my old headmaster used to reiterate, there are "Standards! Standards! Standards!" which we have to maintain come what may. We laughed at him at the time of course ... but he was right.
Whatever one thinks about the death penalty, Chris Clayton makes a perfectly valid point. Torture is just plain wrong - whether inflicted by Nazis at Treblinka; Communists in the Gulags; Brits in Kenya and Castlereagh, or the Yanks at Guantanamo. As my old headmaster used to reiterate, there are "Standards! Standards! Standards!" which we have to maintain come what may. We laughed at him at the time of course ... but he was right. Seadog
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9:54am Sun 20 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

Try as I might, I just cannot raise any sympathy for that man.
Try as I might, I just cannot raise any sympathy for that man. capt spaulding
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1:13pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

The treatment of human beings that Hamza and his ilk promote, is far worse than the treatment he is receiving.

I hope he can now reflect on what it feels like to be on the receiving end. i hope he rots !
The treatment of human beings that Hamza and his ilk promote, is far worse than the treatment he is receiving. I hope he can now reflect on what it feels like to be on the receiving end. i hope he rots ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:33pm Sun 20 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Yes, in solitary he certainly has plenty of opportunity to reflect on his evil life.
And seadog, you dare to mention 'Brits in Kenya and Castlereagh.' If you are to do that then tell the whole truth like: Mau Mau and IRA ! Being soft on terrorism is why we are lumbered with the sick likes of Hamza for so long.
Good point sensationalism. Not that long since one of Hamza's Son's was involved in an armed robery. Shoot and loot? Like Father, like Son in this case.
Yes, in solitary he certainly has plenty of opportunity to reflect on his evil life. And seadog, you dare to mention 'Brits in Kenya and Castlereagh.' If you are to do that then tell the whole truth like: Mau Mau and IRA ! Being soft on terrorism is why we are lumbered with the sick likes of Hamza for so long. Good point sensationalism. Not that long since one of Hamza's Son's was involved in an armed robery. Shoot and loot? Like Father, like Son in this case. ColdAsChristmas
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