Future is bleak

IT will take a lot more than one-off funding from the Government’s Critical Infrastructure Investment Fund to create any lasting uplift on house-building in York.

It is not simply “high infrastructure costs” or the “national economic crisis” that deters the private sector from committing to a major programme of building. There is a fundamental underlying cause of onerous regulations and excessive obligations introduced over the past 15 years which is the root cause of the problem. Nothing less than a wholesale clear-out of these crippling burdens will get house-building levels anywhere near what they were before the crash.

Some house-building company bosses, with an eye on share prices and their own career prospects, are bravely talking up alleged improved performances.

But an honest analysis of published results over recent years reveals massive overall financial losses and an alarming contraction of the industry. Anyone who believes that a housebuilding recovery is just round the corner needs to think again.

The future is very bleak indeed; whether or not the Government comes up with special finance for large stalled sites in York.

Matthew Laverack, Lord Mayor’s Walk, York.

Comments (21)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

10:52am Sat 19 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

You will need to knock some houses down first, if any more new residential properties are to be built.
York is too foreign and overcrowded as it is in 2013.
You will need to knock some houses down first, if any more new residential properties are to be built. York is too foreign and overcrowded as it is in 2013. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 0

11:56am Sat 19 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

York is too foreign and overcrowded as it is in 2013

Is it knickers!
What a ridiculous thing to say.
Too foreign. York is here. Right at the heart of Yorkshire in England in the UK.

The biggest lump of codswallop to fall off your keyboard yet and that's quite an achievement.
[quote]York is too foreign and overcrowded as it is in 2013[/quote] Is it knickers! What a ridiculous thing to say. Too foreign. York is here. Right at the heart of Yorkshire in England in the UK. The biggest lump of codswallop to fall off your keyboard yet and that's quite an achievement. Buzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

5:56pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

York Population Facts

The black/ethnic minority has grown by almost 180% since 2000, from 4.2% to 11.6%. It was c.8,300 and is now c.23,200. By comparison the white indigenous element only increased by 4.95% during the same period.

It's definately becoming more foreign.
York Population Facts The black/ethnic minority has grown by almost 180% since 2000, from 4.2% to 11.6%. It was c.8,300 and is now c.23,200. By comparison the white indigenous element only increased by 4.95% during the same period. It's definately becoming more foreign. Scarlet Pimpernel
  • Score: 0

9:41pm Sat 19 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Scarlet Pimpernel, thanks once again for the facts. However, your efforts are wasted on the likes of Buzz, who it would appear does not understand human Geography.
Clearly an education need for someone describing fact as 'codswallop.'
A denier, perhaps?
Scarlet Pimpernel, thanks once again for the facts. However, your efforts are wasted on the likes of Buzz, who it would appear does not understand human Geography. Clearly an education need for someone describing fact as 'codswallop.' A denier, perhaps? ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 0

10:45pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

Ok.
One. There's a massive difference between "too foreign" and "more foreign"

Two. They live here, I live here, we live here. It's still York no matter who walks around it. York isn't foreign. It's here.

You guys do understand the difference between black/white foreign/indigenous right?

No obviously not.
Ok. One. There's a massive difference between "too foreign" and "more foreign" Two. They live here, I live here, we live here. It's still York no matter who walks around it. York isn't foreign. It's here. You guys do understand the difference between black/white foreign/indigenous right? No obviously not. Buzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

10:47pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

Besides that's not even what this letter is about.

Why can't you guys respect Mr Laverack?
Besides that's not even what this letter is about. Why can't you guys respect Mr Laverack? Buzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

1:24pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Maximum respect to Mr Laverack.

He is 100% right - housebuilding has been irrevocably damaged by politicians and their blinkered and/or cynical meddling. It will not recover quickly enough to avert a housing shortage of disastrous proportions, far worse than we have now. Politicians have been warned and better warned, and they are 100% to blame.

York will get far less houses than it needs, but that doesn't mean that York will not get more foreigners...... of any particular colour or creed !

Both trends; less housing and more foreigners (immigrants) are inevitable.
Maximum respect to Mr Laverack. He is 100% right - housebuilding has been irrevocably damaged by politicians and their blinkered and/or cynical meddling. It will not recover quickly enough to avert a housing shortage of disastrous proportions, far worse than we have now. Politicians have been warned and better warned, and they are 100% to blame. York will get far less houses than it needs, but that doesn't mean that York will not get more foreigners...... of any particular colour or creed ! Both trends; less housing and more foreigners (immigrants) are inevitable. Scarlet Pimpernel
  • Score: 0

1:27pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Buzz

More substance please, and less semantics and spelling lessons !
,
Buzz More substance please, and less semantics and spelling lessons ! , Scarlet Pimpernel
  • Score: 0

1:39pm Sun 20 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

At last you are adding something to the debate Buzz instead of being an over critical gremlin.
Mr Laverack would like to see lots of new houses built here there and everywhere, yes good business for him and local builders without a doubt but bad news in general for most of us who are already congested. Long waiting list at hospital and Dr's surgery. Dental treatment is largely in another Town of City for York residents. Classrooms in many cases at the maximum with children introduced with little or no English. Parents speaking to their children in a foreign language doesn't help either.
Listening to foreign language in the City centre is nothing new but at this time of year they ain't all tourists!
I can respect Mr Laverack, but not on this issue, his motives are entirely selfish.
Nothing racist in this, I'd like to see the ethnic population we do have properly integrated so we don't have self inflicted divisions.
I don't want to see where parts of York become ethnic no go areas. That has happened in other Cities, even in the UK. Check out 'White flight to the suburbs,' I know a thing or two about this.
These days you can be black, brown, yellow and even white and be British. The question is one of integration rather than multiculturalism we were never consulted on.
Who decides the difference between too foreign and more foreign? It is hypothetical and once you acknowledge too foreign it will be too late to do anything anyway.
Learn the difference between physical geography and human geography!
Some folks are pro active Buzz while others react adversely to hard cold facts!
Talking of cold............
At last you are adding something to the debate Buzz instead of being an over critical gremlin. Mr Laverack would like to see lots of new houses built here there and everywhere, yes good business for him and local builders without a doubt but bad news in general for most of us who are already congested. Long waiting list at hospital and Dr's surgery. Dental treatment is largely in another Town of City for York residents. Classrooms in many cases at the maximum with children introduced with little or no English. Parents speaking to their children in a foreign language doesn't help either. Listening to foreign language in the City centre is nothing new but at this time of year they ain't all tourists! I can respect Mr Laverack, but not on this issue, his motives are entirely selfish. Nothing racist in this, I'd like to see the ethnic population we do have properly integrated so we don't have self inflicted divisions. I don't want to see where parts of York become ethnic no go areas. That has happened in other Cities, even in the UK. Check out 'White flight to the suburbs,' I know a thing or two about this. These days you can be black, brown, yellow and even white and be British. The question is one of integration rather than multiculturalism we were never consulted on. Who decides the difference between too foreign and more foreign? It is hypothetical and once you acknowledge too foreign it will be too late to do anything anyway. Learn the difference between physical geography and human geography! Some folks are pro active Buzz while others react adversely to hard cold facts! Talking of cold............ ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 0

7:24pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
At last you are adding something to the debate Buzz instead of being an over critical gremlin.
Mr Laverack would like to see lots of new houses built here there and everywhere, yes good business for him and local builders without a doubt but bad news in general for most of us who are already congested. Long waiting list at hospital and Dr's surgery. Dental treatment is largely in another Town of City for York residents. Classrooms in many cases at the maximum with children introduced with little or no English. Parents speaking to their children in a foreign language doesn't help either.
Listening to foreign language in the City centre is nothing new but at this time of year they ain't all tourists!
I can respect Mr Laverack, but not on this issue, his motives are entirely selfish.
Nothing racist in this, I'd like to see the ethnic population we do have properly integrated so we don't have self inflicted divisions.
I don't want to see where parts of York become ethnic no go areas. That has happened in other Cities, even in the UK. Check out 'White flight to the suburbs,' I know a thing or two about this.
These days you can be black, brown, yellow and even white and be British. The question is one of integration rather than multiculturalism we were never consulted on.
Who decides the difference between too foreign and more foreign? It is hypothetical and once you acknowledge too foreign it will be too late to do anything anyway.
Learn the difference between physical geography and human geography!
Some folks are pro active Buzz while others react adversely to hard cold facts!
Talking of cold............
Wrong!!!

The housing debate by Mr Laverack is not primarily about quantity. It's more about viability, and the damage that over-regulation, mainly in the form of affordable housing requirements imposed on private enterprise, which is both an unfair tax on landowners, and a discriminatory, punitive imposition on a free market.

It has put virtually all but the biggest housebuilders out of business.

It's not selfish to be speaking out for an entire industry, which is what Matthew is doing. He is almost at retirement age, and things will not improve in time for him to benefit. Many skilled housebuilders are sick of the red tape and costly burdens that have diluted the quality of housing design, and distracted attention away from the process of building, and placed excessive emphasis on peripheral issues like health and safety, sustainability, environment, and a raft of planning requirements which add massive cost and little or no value. The system is broken, and skilled experienced professionals are leaving the industry in droves.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: At last you are adding something to the debate Buzz instead of being an over critical gremlin. Mr Laverack would like to see lots of new houses built here there and everywhere, yes good business for him and local builders without a doubt but bad news in general for most of us who are already congested. Long waiting list at hospital and Dr's surgery. Dental treatment is largely in another Town of City for York residents. Classrooms in many cases at the maximum with children introduced with little or no English. Parents speaking to their children in a foreign language doesn't help either. Listening to foreign language in the City centre is nothing new but at this time of year they ain't all tourists! I can respect Mr Laverack, but not on this issue, his motives are entirely selfish. Nothing racist in this, I'd like to see the ethnic population we do have properly integrated so we don't have self inflicted divisions. I don't want to see where parts of York become ethnic no go areas. That has happened in other Cities, even in the UK. Check out 'White flight to the suburbs,' I know a thing or two about this. These days you can be black, brown, yellow and even white and be British. The question is one of integration rather than multiculturalism we were never consulted on. Who decides the difference between too foreign and more foreign? It is hypothetical and once you acknowledge too foreign it will be too late to do anything anyway. Learn the difference between physical geography and human geography! Some folks are pro active Buzz while others react adversely to hard cold facts! Talking of cold............[/p][/quote]Wrong!!! The housing debate by Mr Laverack is not primarily about quantity. It's more about viability, and the damage that over-regulation, mainly in the form of affordable housing requirements imposed on private enterprise, which is both an unfair tax on landowners, and a discriminatory, punitive imposition on a free market. It has put virtually all but the biggest housebuilders out of business. It's not selfish to be speaking out for an entire industry, which is what Matthew is doing. He is almost at retirement age, and things will not improve in time for him to benefit. Many skilled housebuilders are sick of the red tape and costly burdens that have diluted the quality of housing design, and distracted attention away from the process of building, and placed excessive emphasis on peripheral issues like health and safety, sustainability, environment, and a raft of planning requirements which add massive cost and little or no value. The system is broken, and skilled experienced professionals are leaving the industry in droves. Scarlet Pimpernel
  • Score: 0

8:38pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Buzz More substance please, and less semantics and spelling lessons ! ,
Yes dad!
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: Buzz More substance please, and less semantics and spelling lessons ! ,[/p][/quote]Yes dad! Buzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

8:38pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel, thanks once again for the facts. However, your efforts are wasted on the likes of Buzz, who it would appear does not understand human Geography. Clearly an education need for someone describing fact as 'codswallop.' A denier, perhaps?
Once again claiming your opinion to be fact.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Scarlet Pimpernel, thanks once again for the facts. However, your efforts are wasted on the likes of Buzz, who it would appear does not understand human Geography. Clearly an education need for someone describing fact as 'codswallop.' A denier, perhaps?[/p][/quote]Once again claiming your opinion to be fact. Buzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

9:56pm Sun 20 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Not my opinion.
Not my opinion. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 0

11:23pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

"York is too foreign" is your opinion.
"York is too foreign" is your opinion. Buzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

9:22am Mon 21 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

Well Said Mr Laverack,

Those Jonny Foreigner chappies are massing for another onslaught from Bulgaria and Romania.

The IF part of the argument is academic.
They are coming and it begs the question ?

Where on earth are they going to live?
Well Said Mr Laverack, Those Jonny Foreigner chappies are massing for another onslaught from Bulgaria and Romania. The IF part of the argument is academic. They are coming and it begs the question ? Where on earth are they going to live? capt spaulding
  • Score: 0

10:22am Mon 21 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

No room at the inn Captain.

York being currently too foreign Buzz?
Is it only an opinion or is it a fact?
I suppose you are the one that decides these things?
You and that Great Buda of course!
No room at the inn Captain. York being currently too foreign Buzz? Is it only an opinion or is it a fact? I suppose you are the one that decides these things? You and that Great Buda of course! ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 0

11:47am Mon 21 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

Well were all in this together so we should all take in lodgers.

Our leaders should lead by example and take in a Romanian or 2 I wonder who will be first ? J A perhaps Tracey maybe.
Well were all in this together so we should all take in lodgers. Our leaders should lead by example and take in a Romanian or 2 I wonder who will be first ? J A perhaps Tracey maybe. capt spaulding
  • Score: 0

12:59pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
No room at the inn Captain. York being currently too foreign Buzz? Is it only an opinion or is it a fact? I suppose you are the one that decides these things? You and that Great Buda of course!
On the contrary, it is you that seems to think responsibility for that decision falls on you.

"York is too foreign" is an opinion.
It can not be fact.
It may be too foreign for you, it may not be foreign enough for some.

Mr Pimpernel says "more foreign" which is not opinion.


Regardless, York is far from a tipping point of saturation.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: No room at the inn Captain. York being currently too foreign Buzz? Is it only an opinion or is it a fact? I suppose you are the one that decides these things? You and that Great Buda of course![/p][/quote]On the contrary, it is you that seems to think responsibility for that decision falls on you. "York is too foreign" is an opinion. It can not be fact. It may be too foreign for you, it may not be foreign enough for some. Mr Pimpernel says "more foreign" which is not opinion. Regardless, York is far from a tipping point of saturation. Buzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

1:18pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
ColdAsChristmas wrote: No room at the inn Captain. York being currently too foreign Buzz? Is it only an opinion or is it a fact? I suppose you are the one that decides these things? You and that Great Buda of course!
On the contrary, it is you that seems to think responsibility for that decision falls on you. "York is too foreign" is an opinion. It can not be fact. It may be too foreign for you, it may not be foreign enough for some. Mr Pimpernel says "more foreign" which is not opinion. Regardless, York is far from a tipping point of saturation.
It's only a matter of time, Buzz.

Using the rate of growth from the 2000 - 2012; 180% B/E and 4.95% white indigenous, extrapolate and see how long it takes before we are like London.
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: No room at the inn Captain. York being currently too foreign Buzz? Is it only an opinion or is it a fact? I suppose you are the one that decides these things? You and that Great Buda of course![/p][/quote]On the contrary, it is you that seems to think responsibility for that decision falls on you. "York is too foreign" is an opinion. It can not be fact. It may be too foreign for you, it may not be foreign enough for some. Mr Pimpernel says "more foreign" which is not opinion. Regardless, York is far from a tipping point of saturation.[/p][/quote]It's only a matter of time, Buzz. Using the rate of growth from the 2000 - 2012; 180% B/E and 4.95% white indigenous, extrapolate and see how long it takes before we are like London. Scarlet Pimpernel
  • Score: 0

11:48pm Tue 22 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

A minority in your own City.

Over a hundred years ago, a Native American Chief, one of the last remaining, was asked what he might have done differently to save his nation?
He said control immigration.

What would you do Buzz?
A minority in your own City. Over a hundred years ago, a Native American Chief, one of the last remaining, was asked what he might have done differently to save his nation? He said control immigration. What would you do Buzz? ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 0

1:07pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Buzz Light-year says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
ColdAsChristmas wrote: No room at the inn Captain. York being currently too foreign Buzz? Is it only an opinion or is it a fact? I suppose you are the one that decides these things? You and that Great Buda of course!
On the contrary, it is you that seems to think responsibility for that decision falls on you. "York is too foreign" is an opinion. It can not be fact. It may be too foreign for you, it may not be foreign enough for some. Mr Pimpernel says "more foreign" which is not opinion. Regardless, York is far from a tipping point of saturation.
It's only a matter of time, Buzz. Using the rate of growth from the 2000 - 2012; 180% B/E and 4.95% white indigenous, extrapolate and see how long it takes before we are like London.
"Extrapolate"

My son has grown from about 2 feet tall to 5 foot 6 in less than ten years.

By the time he's fifty he's going to be getting on for 20 feet tall.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: No room at the inn Captain. York being currently too foreign Buzz? Is it only an opinion or is it a fact? I suppose you are the one that decides these things? You and that Great Buda of course![/p][/quote]On the contrary, it is you that seems to think responsibility for that decision falls on you. "York is too foreign" is an opinion. It can not be fact. It may be too foreign for you, it may not be foreign enough for some. Mr Pimpernel says "more foreign" which is not opinion. Regardless, York is far from a tipping point of saturation.[/p][/quote]It's only a matter of time, Buzz. Using the rate of growth from the 2000 - 2012; 180% B/E and 4.95% white indigenous, extrapolate and see how long it takes before we are like London.[/p][/quote]"Extrapolate" My son has grown from about 2 feet tall to 5 foot 6 in less than ten years. By the time he's fifty he's going to be getting on for 20 feet tall. Buzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

Comments are closed on this article.

click2find

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree