Four ways to nowhere

I’D LIKE to congratulate City of York Council on its new ‘eco’ initiative sited at Water End.

I can’t find the relevant documents on the council website, but I’m guessing that the ‘4-Way-Control’ advertising refers to the scheme’s target of changing the attitudes and actions of commuters travelling in from the ring road in the following four ways:

1). Motorists: To show them definitive proof that walking or cycling are a quicker way of travelling into the city centre

2). Park&Ride users: To show them definitive proof that walking or cycling are a quicker, and less prone to price increases, way of travelling from the P&R into the city centre

3). Cyclists: To show them definitive proof that they were right all along

4). Pedestrians: To show them definitive proof that being ‘self-righteous’ is a virtue.

Sadly, I’ve noticed that there are still quite a few motorists and P&R users persisting with their determination to waste over an hour of their travelling time to traverse three miles.

Maybe ‘Phase 2’ could include ripping up the roads and replacing them all with miles of floral displays.

If that doesn’t get them out of their vehicles, nothing will… and the tourists will love it.

Geoff Devine, Foss Walk, Nether Poppleton, York.

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12:53pm Wed 16 Jan 13

pedalling paul says...

Interestingly, I've noticed that the much vaunted LH filter is often empty at peak times, because access to it is regularly blocked by queues of right turning vehicles. And there are some idiots who deliberately drive over the ramp that brings cyclists from offroad to on road, when access to the LH filter is almost blocked........
Interestingly, I've noticed that the much vaunted LH filter is often empty at peak times, because access to it is regularly blocked by queues of right turning vehicles. And there are some idiots who deliberately drive over the ramp that brings cyclists from offroad to on road, when access to the LH filter is almost blocked........ pedalling paul
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1:30pm Wed 16 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

'Maybe ‘Phase 2’ could include ripping up the roads and replacing them all with miles of floral displays.'

If those pot holes are not filled in by Spring you may just get your wish.
'Maybe ‘Phase 2’ could include ripping up the roads and replacing them all with miles of floral displays.' If those pot holes are not filled in by Spring you may just get your wish. ColdAsChristmas
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3:11pm Wed 16 Jan 13

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Interestingly, I've noticed that the much vaunted LH filter is often empty at peak times, because access to it is regularly blocked by queues of right turning vehicles. And there are some idiots who deliberately drive over the ramp that brings cyclists from offroad to on road, when access to the LH filter is almost blocked........
That may be true on the odd occasion that you pass, but at least it is not now completely blocked off by a cycle lane that only you wanted.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Interestingly, I've noticed that the much vaunted LH filter is often empty at peak times, because access to it is regularly blocked by queues of right turning vehicles. And there are some idiots who deliberately drive over the ramp that brings cyclists from offroad to on road, when access to the LH filter is almost blocked........[/p][/quote]That may be true on the odd occasion that you pass, but at least it is not now completely blocked off by a cycle lane that only you wanted. NoNewsIsGoodNews
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11:34pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Magicman! says...

NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Interestingly, I've noticed that the much vaunted LH filter is often empty at peak times, because access to it is regularly blocked by queues of right turning vehicles. And there are some idiots who deliberately drive over the ramp that brings cyclists from offroad to on road, when access to the LH filter is almost blocked........
That may be true on the odd occasion that you pass, but at least it is not now completely blocked off by a cycle lane that only you wanted.
Actually the same is true when I pass along that way as well, which is several times a week. The only reason queues are about 4 cars shorter is because the council tampered with the traffic light timings, and now queues are longer along the A19 as a result.... two proverbs/saying exist to explain the situation: "Robbing Peter to pay Paul", or "Swings and Roundabouts"
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Interestingly, I've noticed that the much vaunted LH filter is often empty at peak times, because access to it is regularly blocked by queues of right turning vehicles. And there are some idiots who deliberately drive over the ramp that brings cyclists from offroad to on road, when access to the LH filter is almost blocked........[/p][/quote]That may be true on the odd occasion that you pass, but at least it is not now completely blocked off by a cycle lane that only you wanted.[/p][/quote]Actually the same is true when I pass along that way as well, which is several times a week. The only reason queues are about 4 cars shorter is because the council tampered with the traffic light timings, and now queues are longer along the A19 as a result.... two proverbs/saying exist to explain the situation: "Robbing Peter to pay Paul", or "Swings and Roundabouts" Magicman!
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8:43am Thu 17 Jan 13

pedalling paul says...

I distinctly recall reading that the green phase for exiting Water end inbound, was maximised as part of the post-commissioning tweaks to the Govt.funded cycle facilities. Doubtless when you queuing in a car, in the same level of peak congestion as previously existed, you will try to blame "the traffic" and "the Council" and "cyclists" yourself for the situation that you are helping to create. .
I distinctly recall reading that the green phase for exiting Water end inbound, was maximised as part of the post-commissioning tweaks to the Govt.funded cycle facilities. Doubtless when you queuing in a car, in the same level of peak congestion as previously existed, you will try to blame "the traffic" and "the Council" and "cyclists" yourself for the situation that you are helping to create. . pedalling paul
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11:15am Thu 17 Jan 13

Mr Udigawa says...

pedalling paul wrote:
I distinctly recall reading that the green phase for exiting Water end inbound, was maximised as part of the post-commissioning tweaks to the Govt.funded cycle facilities. Doubtless when you queuing in a car, in the same level of peak congestion as previously existed, you will try to blame "the traffic" and "the Council" and "cyclists" yourself for the situation that you are helping to create. .
I can always tell when you're getting excitable Paul, your punctuation and grammar go to pot.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: I distinctly recall reading that the green phase for exiting Water end inbound, was maximised as part of the post-commissioning tweaks to the Govt.funded cycle facilities. Doubtless when you queuing in a car, in the same level of peak congestion as previously existed, you will try to blame "the traffic" and "the Council" and "cyclists" yourself for the situation that you are helping to create. .[/p][/quote]I can always tell when you're getting excitable Paul, your punctuation and grammar go to pot. Mr Udigawa
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4:25pm Thu 17 Jan 13

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

pedalling paul wrote:
I distinctly recall reading that the green phase for exiting Water end inbound, was maximised as part of the post-commissioning tweaks to the Govt.funded cycle facilities. Doubtless when you queuing in a car, in the same level of peak congestion as previously existed, you will try to blame "the traffic" and "the Council" and "cyclists" yourself for the situation that you are helping to create. .
So now you are admitting that the congestion WAS worse with the cycle lane in place.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
What a hypocrite.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: I distinctly recall reading that the green phase for exiting Water end inbound, was maximised as part of the post-commissioning tweaks to the Govt.funded cycle facilities. Doubtless when you queuing in a car, in the same level of peak congestion as previously existed, you will try to blame "the traffic" and "the Council" and "cyclists" yourself for the situation that you are helping to create. .[/p][/quote]So now you are admitting that the congestion WAS worse with the cycle lane in place. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. What a hypocrite. NoNewsIsGoodNews
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12:37am Sat 19 Jan 13

strangebuttrue? says...

You could still have your cycle lane if the council had not taken the opportunity to change the traffic light timings at the same time as they installed the cycle lane. It was the timings introduced then (only allowing 6 cars at a time out of Water End) which resulted in the queues almost to outer ring road along Boroughbridge Road.

The Council again change the traffic light timings before they took out the cycle lane which brought some relief to the choking people of Salisbury Terrace who were being poisoned by the omissions from the day long queues along Water End created by this unbelievable stunt to try to make it faster by bike.

The result now is that traffic is flowing and there are no all day queues and at peak times seldom do the queues get beyond the top of Water Lane so less pollution and relief for all those people who live off Boroughbridge Road whose lives were blighted by rat running traffic and pollution. Mind you that relief will be short lived when the Council put in the next queue creation scheme down Boroughbridge Road itself.
You could still have your cycle lane if the council had not taken the opportunity to change the traffic light timings at the same time as they installed the cycle lane. It was the timings introduced then (only allowing 6 cars at a time out of Water End) which resulted in the queues almost to outer ring road along Boroughbridge Road. The Council again change the traffic light timings before they took out the cycle lane which brought some relief to the choking people of Salisbury Terrace who were being poisoned by the omissions from the day long queues along Water End created by this unbelievable stunt to try to make it faster by bike. The result now is that traffic is flowing and there are no all day queues and at peak times seldom do the queues get beyond the top of Water Lane so less pollution and relief for all those people who live off Boroughbridge Road whose lives were blighted by rat running traffic and pollution. Mind you that relief will be short lived when the Council put in the next queue creation scheme down Boroughbridge Road itself. strangebuttrue?
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