Shale gas is good

First published in Letters by

FURTHER to Kate Lock’s column on January 11 about Tinseltown’s agitprop film The Promised Land trying to whip up fears about shale gas, the likelihood of the Glitterati’s usual suspects saying anything sensible about energy policy is not promising.

Kate points to ridiculous aspects of this campaign, although unfortunately regurgitates some myths. Virtually all the thousands of gas wells drilled in the USA are unproblematic. Kate also drags in Australian wildfires. Maybe the cold which killed hundreds in China, India & Bangladesh is also something to do with shale gas? How does that work?

The rise of shale gas in the USA is the bright spot in their economy. Gas prices are down 50 per cent unemployment is down. Cheap, reliable energy encourages re-investment. Meanwhile, the USA reduces CO2 emissions, gas being cleaner and more efficient than coal.

Since Maggie Thatcher, UK Governments have unquestioningly swallowed global warming and have adopted an incompetent energy policy, expending billions every year on solutions that don’t work to problems that don’t exist.

Shale gas (and eventually, new nuclear) is now the only affordable and proven alternative to shivering in the dark.

But who funded this Hollywood ‘Promised Land’ nonsense? The United Arab Emirates? Wonder why they are against shale gas.

Martin Brumby, Darfield Close, Strensall.

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11:20am Tue 15 Jan 13

far2bizzy says...

“problems that don’t exist” . . .well that may be so, now. But it is an undeniable fact that through the coming millennia, the way we are going, we will use up all existing forms of fossil fuel on the planet. What will our descendants do then? Shiver in the dark?

You may feel that we owe these people nothing but I for one believe that we should at least try to come up with some way of producing our energy without resorting to plundering the earth’s finite resources. You’re “we’re alright Jack, let’s leave the problem to them” attitude simply does not wash with me.
“problems that don’t exist” . . .well that may be so, now. But it is an undeniable fact that through the coming millennia, the way we are going, we will use up all existing forms of fossil fuel on the planet. What will our descendants do then? Shiver in the dark? You may feel that we owe these people nothing but I for one believe that we should at least try to come up with some way of producing our energy without resorting to plundering the earth’s finite resources. You’re “we’re alright Jack, let’s leave the problem to them” attitude simply does not wash with me. far2bizzy
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1:44pm Tue 15 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Good letter Martin.
far2bizzy, there is no doubt that in the decades to come we will need to develop cheap renewable energy, these will almost certainly include Hydro and Nuclear.
The problem is that politicians have been taken down a hysterical path. To quote Gordon Brown; 'we have to act now.' That was and remains the problem.
We have been sold £Billions of wind turbines that have a very short life, are proven to be totally inefficient and now we find will cost another £17Billion just to connect them to the grid. This will need to be found by increasing your bills even more.
Now, even that wouldn't be so bad if we were having the predicted warming when these mad decisions were taken and supported by most politicians. However, in recent Summers it has been necessary to have heating on even during parts of the summer, so not a wise move at all.
Then you have solar panels feeding into the grid, again paid for on every energy bill. Problem is that these operate for long hours when the grid is not busy and very little when the energy is needed most. (& like wind turbines, mostly made in another country!)
I always look forward to reading Kate Lock's rubbish, it makes me smile to know that state propaganda has not made me take leave of my senses.
That also goes for a growing number of people commenting on the letters pages. Well done you for not being taken in. If you want to see global warming just look out of your window!
Hopefully the forthcoming shale gas will last long enough for us to put in place efficient and affordable renewable energy as an alternative for when world stocks of coal, gas and oil run low.
While the likes of Kate Lock are programed to see CO2 as some sort of enemy, rather than a gift, expect to be paying more in green tax and energy costs. These people are the real enemy of the public.
Good letter Martin. far2bizzy, there is no doubt that in the decades to come we will need to develop cheap renewable energy, these will almost certainly include Hydro and Nuclear. The problem is that politicians have been taken down a hysterical path. To quote Gordon Brown; 'we have to act now.' That was and remains the problem. We have been sold £Billions of wind turbines that have a very short life, are proven to be totally inefficient and now we find will cost another £17Billion just to connect them to the grid. This will need to be found by increasing your bills even more. Now, even that wouldn't be so bad if we were having the predicted warming when these mad decisions were taken and supported by most politicians. However, in recent Summers it has been necessary to have heating on even during parts of the summer, so not a wise move at all. Then you have solar panels feeding into the grid, again paid for on every energy bill. Problem is that these operate for long hours when the grid is not busy and very little when the energy is needed most. (& like wind turbines, mostly made in another country!) I always look forward to reading Kate Lock's rubbish, it makes me smile to know that state propaganda has not made me take leave of my senses. That also goes for a growing number of people commenting on the letters pages. Well done you for not being taken in. If you want to see global warming just look out of your window! Hopefully the forthcoming shale gas will last long enough for us to put in place efficient and affordable renewable energy as an alternative for when world stocks of coal, gas and oil run low. While the likes of Kate Lock are programed to see CO2 as some sort of enemy, rather than a gift, expect to be paying more in green tax and energy costs. These people are the real enemy of the public. ColdAsChristmas
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5:28pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Older Sometimes Wiser says...

far2bizzy wrote:
“problems that don’t exist” . . .well that may be so, now. But it is an undeniable fact that through the coming millennia, the way we are going, we will use up all existing forms of fossil fuel on the planet. What will our descendants do then? Shiver in the dark?

You may feel that we owe these people nothing but I for one believe that we should at least try to come up with some way of producing our energy without resorting to plundering the earth’s finite resources. You’re “we’re alright Jack, let’s leave the problem to them” attitude simply does not wash with me.
Thank goodness there is someone else who can see further than their own nose.
We need many more to extend their vision to the realities of a finite world with finite( and limited) fossil fuel resources.To say nuclear is an obvious answer ignores the reality of long life waste fission products that retain highly dangerous toxic and radiological properties lasting not just for decades but for centuries.
A finite planet largely covered by water with a molten core could be seen as advantageous as an energy source, but only when maintaining continuous photosynthesis to ensure sufficient oxygen to breathe and hydrogen to burn.
So we destroy forests rather than ensuring a constant equilibrium?
World populations are increasing ( so more babies), with greater demands for technological solutions using ( and not recycling) essential and scarce rare metals for all your inessential mobile phone etc.
We have politicians ignorant of basic scientific facts, whose only interest is to maintain their own high standard of living and ignoring the unforeseen consequences of their own ignorance.
All our manufacturing priorities should ensure that everything is recyclable , there is no other solution.
[quote][p][bold]far2bizzy[/bold] wrote: “problems that don’t exist” . . .well that may be so, now. But it is an undeniable fact that through the coming millennia, the way we are going, we will use up all existing forms of fossil fuel on the planet. What will our descendants do then? Shiver in the dark? You may feel that we owe these people nothing but I for one believe that we should at least try to come up with some way of producing our energy without resorting to plundering the earth’s finite resources. You’re “we’re alright Jack, let’s leave the problem to them” attitude simply does not wash with me.[/p][/quote]Thank goodness there is someone else who can see further than their own nose. We need many more to extend their vision to the realities of a finite world with finite( and limited) fossil fuel resources.To say nuclear is an obvious answer ignores the reality of long life waste fission products that retain highly dangerous toxic and radiological properties lasting not just for decades but for centuries. A finite planet largely covered by water with a molten core could be seen as advantageous as an energy source, but only when maintaining continuous photosynthesis to ensure sufficient oxygen to breathe and hydrogen to burn. So we destroy forests rather than ensuring a constant equilibrium? World populations are increasing ( so more babies), with greater demands for technological solutions using ( and not recycling) essential and scarce rare metals for all your inessential mobile phone etc. We have politicians ignorant of basic scientific facts, whose only interest is to maintain their own high standard of living and ignoring the unforeseen consequences of their own ignorance. All our manufacturing priorities should ensure that everything is recyclable , there is no other solution. Older Sometimes Wiser
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6:30pm Tue 15 Jan 13

/kev/null says...

My solution is not to have children. If everybody was doing it we wouldn't need any power at all in 50 years or so.

I am currently sneering down my nose at you all from my environmental high horse.
My solution is not to have children. If everybody was doing it we wouldn't need any power at all in 50 years or so. I am currently sneering down my nose at you all from my environmental high horse. /kev/null
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7:34pm Tue 15 Jan 13

mbrumby says...

Older Sometimes Wiser says....

Actually, it is very likely that we have enough Shale Gas for at least a hundred years. Only way to be sure is to get Ed Davey to allow Cuadrilla to actually start drilling in earnest, instead of trying every trick to stop them.

And Thorium technology (in which China & India are investing) look like giving ultra cheap nuclear with almost no waste and no adaptability for military use (which is why they opted for Plutonium in the 1950s, of course).

Destruction of forests is largely due to the greenies themselves - palm oil plantations in Indonesia to produce biodiesel and now the Greeks who can't afford 'clean' electricity, chopping down trees to keep warm!

But, in any case, the Stone Age didn't end when they ran out of stones. Technological innovation will win out, every time!
Older Sometimes Wiser says.... Actually, it is very likely that we have enough Shale Gas for at least a hundred years. Only way to be sure is to get Ed Davey to allow Cuadrilla to actually start drilling in earnest, instead of trying every trick to stop them. And Thorium technology (in which China & India are investing) look like giving ultra cheap nuclear with almost no waste and no adaptability for military use (which is why they opted for Plutonium in the 1950s, of course). Destruction of forests is largely due to the greenies themselves - palm oil plantations in Indonesia to produce biodiesel and now the Greeks who can't afford 'clean' electricity, chopping down trees to keep warm! But, in any case, the Stone Age didn't end when they ran out of stones. Technological innovation will win out, every time! mbrumby
  • Score: -1

8:57pm Tue 15 Jan 13

who2believe says...

The nonsense of man-made global warming is falling apart at the seams. It's time to unbuckle the 'Green Cilice' and stop the taxing pain.
The nonsense of man-made global warming is falling apart at the seams. It's time to unbuckle the 'Green Cilice' and stop the taxing pain. who2believe
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2:37pm Wed 16 Jan 13

Older Sometimes Wiser says...

mbrumby wrote:
Older Sometimes Wiser says....

Actually, it is very likely that we have enough Shale Gas for at least a hundred years. Only way to be sure is to get Ed Davey to allow Cuadrilla to actually start drilling in earnest, instead of trying every trick to stop them.

And Thorium technology (in which China & India are investing) look like giving ultra cheap nuclear with almost no waste and no adaptability for military use (which is why they opted for Plutonium in the 1950s, of course).

Destruction of forests is largely due to the greenies themselves - palm oil plantations in Indonesia to produce biodiesel and now the Greeks who can't afford 'clean' electricity, chopping down trees to keep warm!

But, in any case, the Stone Age didn't end when they ran out of stones. Technological innovation will win out, every time!
mbruby's comments (not mine) are interesting in so far as I was unaware of current developments in thorium technology. (now remedied via wikipedia etc).
We shall see over time whether the initial research produces the required results ?
Otherwise he /she has not come back on the other problems of a greedy finite world inhabited by an increasing population,apparentl
y unable to balance need with finite resources. Technological innovation will only win when we have sufficient people able to understand and make the correct decisions.If we balance the system to obtain equilibrium we may be OK but there is little sign of this at present,
[quote][p][bold]mbrumby[/bold] wrote: Older Sometimes Wiser says.... Actually, it is very likely that we have enough Shale Gas for at least a hundred years. Only way to be sure is to get Ed Davey to allow Cuadrilla to actually start drilling in earnest, instead of trying every trick to stop them. And Thorium technology (in which China & India are investing) look like giving ultra cheap nuclear with almost no waste and no adaptability for military use (which is why they opted for Plutonium in the 1950s, of course). Destruction of forests is largely due to the greenies themselves - palm oil plantations in Indonesia to produce biodiesel and now the Greeks who can't afford 'clean' electricity, chopping down trees to keep warm! But, in any case, the Stone Age didn't end when they ran out of stones. Technological innovation will win out, every time![/p][/quote]mbruby's comments (not mine) are interesting in so far as I was unaware of current developments in thorium technology. (now remedied via wikipedia etc). We shall see over time whether the initial research produces the required results ? Otherwise he /she has not come back on the other problems of a greedy finite world inhabited by an increasing population,apparentl y unable to balance need with finite resources. Technological innovation will only win when we have sufficient people able to understand and make the correct decisions.If we balance the system to obtain equilibrium we may be OK but there is little sign of this at present, Older Sometimes Wiser
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4:17pm Wed 16 Jan 13

ColdAsChristmas says...

Yes indeed and the political leaders and their bought in scientific adviser's have got it so terribly wrong so far. Starting with the dash for gas in order to destroy the mining industry and unions and a little later, the great global warming scam. The demonising of the natural trace gas CO2 as scape goat for the biggest con in history.
Below freezing all day in York today, yes I know it's Winter but this is well below the January average while the warming is supposed to be accelerating.
How is the Arctic supposed to melt at this rate?
Top up your pension with carbon credits anyone?
Yes indeed and the political leaders and their bought in scientific adviser's have got it so terribly wrong so far. Starting with the dash for gas in order to destroy the mining industry and unions and a little later, the great global warming scam. The demonising of the natural trace gas CO2 as scape goat for the biggest con in history. Below freezing all day in York today, yes I know it's Winter but this is well below the January average while the warming is supposed to be accelerating. How is the Arctic supposed to melt at this rate? Top up your pension with carbon credits anyone? ColdAsChristmas
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