Bus loss concern (From York Press)

The only reason why it was withdrawn as it didn't get used

The only reason why it was withdrawn as it didn't get used

If it was First there would be an outcry on here, you know, the usual profits before passengers blah blah blah! as it is Transdev it is okay it was underused anyway. Standardsx2!

Tragic Man! wrote:
If it was First there would be an outcry on here, you know, the usual profits before passengers blah blah blah! as it is Transdev it is okay it was underused anyway. Standardsx2!

Well it was unused Hardly anybody used it as like 1 or 2 people most days and maybe once every month five people would use it but it simply couldn't terminate there as it was consistantly late and no body used it

oh thats okay then, but if First were running this and had made this decision would it be okay?

There were calls for the route instead to be extended to form a 'centrelink' type service connecting Clifton Moor, Monks Cross, the University, and the Designer Outlet all together, and with the time to get from fulford to the designer outlet it'd only have required one extra vehicle and there'd have been enough timetable padding to counteract late running. Seeing the 44 now has 3 additional buses on the route then having another on the 20 wouldn't have caused much trouble.... The main problem is the frequency of the service - yes Transdev took a subsidised service and is now running it without any subsidy thus reducing burden on the council, but perhaps a 6 month trial into running a service every 30 minutes between the University and Clifton Moor could be in order? A more regular calling pattern results in more people using the service simply because it fits in more with their lifestyle (I've said this too about First services like the 12 to monks cross) - and it's obviously working on the 44. We've seen Transpennine trains increase in frequency and now pretty much every train is full and standing which means it has gained popularity; Stagecoach took a flailing bus service from Chesterfield to Sheffield and over a period of a year or two increased the frequency from one bus every 120 minutes to one every 30 minutes and now the double deckers they use are always full up... if you run a service where people want to go and as often as people want it to go then the people will come, it's just a case of tapping into supressed demand.

Plus if the service had been extended to the designer outlet it would have been used by people on fulford road who simply didn't want to be ripped off by the P&R fares.

Magicman! wrote:
There were calls for the route instead to be extended to form a 'centrelink' type service connecting Clifton Moor, Monks Cross, the University, and the Designer Outlet all together, and with the time to get from fulford to the designer outlet it'd only have required one extra vehicle and there'd have been enough timetable padding to counteract late running. Seeing the 44 now has 3 additional buses on the route then having another on the 20 wouldn't have caused much trouble.... The main problem is the frequency of the service - yes Transdev took a subsidised service and is now running it without any subsidy thus reducing burden on the council, but perhaps a 6 month trial into running a service every 30 minutes between the University and Clifton Moor could be in order? A more regular calling pattern results in more people using the service simply because it fits in more with their lifestyle (I've said this too about First services like the 12 to monks cross) - and it's obviously working on the 44. We've seen Transpennine trains increase in frequency and now pretty much every train is full and standing which means it has gained popularity; Stagecoach took a flailing bus service from Chesterfield to Sheffield and over a period of a year or two increased the frequency from one bus every 120 minutes to one every 30 minutes and now the double deckers they use are always full up... if you run a service where people want to go and as often as people want it to go then the people will come, it's just a case of tapping into supressed demand.

Plus if the service had been extended to the designer outlet it would have been used by people on fulford road who simply didn't want to be ripped off by the P&R fares.

lol, so you are saying that someone like me who lives on Fulford Rd would give up a very frequent 8-10 min service so I can "plan" my life round the hourly 20. I would happily pay the higher fare for the regular headway, oh by the way in the bus industry we use the term headway, not frequency,

I have never heard anything about the need for this "centrelink" rubbish.

The 24/26/35/36 are cheaper to The P&R anyway and 24/26 comes every 30 mins

Tragic Man! wrote:

Magicman! wrote:
There were calls for the route instead to be extended to form a 'centrelink' type service connecting Clifton Moor, Monks Cross, the University, and the Designer Outlet all together, and with the time to get from fulford to the designer outlet it'd only have required one extra vehicle and there'd have been enough timetable padding to counteract late running. Seeing the 44 now has 3 additional buses on the route then having another on the 20 wouldn't have caused much trouble.... The main problem is the frequency of the service - yes Transdev took a subsidised service and is now running it without any subsidy thus reducing burden on the council, but perhaps a 6 month trial into running a service every 30 minutes between the University and Clifton Moor could be in order? A more regular calling pattern results in more people using the service simply because it fits in more with their lifestyle (I've said this too about First services like the 12 to monks cross) - and it's obviously working on the 44. We've seen Transpennine trains increase in frequency and now pretty much every train is full and standing which means it has gained popularity; Stagecoach took a flailing bus service from Chesterfield to Sheffield and over a period of a year or two increased the frequency from one bus every 120 minutes to one every 30 minutes and now the double deckers they use are always full up... if you run a service where people want to go and as often as people want it to go then the people will come, it's just a case of tapping into supressed demand.

Plus if the service had been extended to the designer outlet it would have been used by people on fulford road who simply didn't want to be ripped off by the P&R fares.

lol, so you are saying that someone like me who lives on Fulford Rd would give up a very frequent 8-10 min service so I can "plan" my life round the hourly 20. I would happily pay the higher fare for the regular headway, oh by the way in the bus industry we use the term headway, not frequency,

I have never heard anything about the need for this "centrelink" rubbish.

You are an idiot it would be a good idea for it to go to the Designer outlet and i am a Resident of Osbaldwick and use the Service 20 Very ofern and hardly ever use service only on Sundays if I need to go out or simply if I just need to go to York but in the week when 20 connected to 19B/19L I used 20 then them to York as it was cheaper and Now when I Go out I always use 20 and other Transdev route I only use first If I am Going somewhere were Transdev Don't go but 20 is very good and use 415 or 42 or even better 24/26 or 35/36

Think about money these days everything is becoming more and more expensive and 7 is for P&R really

Headway, Frequency same thing and when people from Bus company's replay to Letters/emails about frequency problems they never use headway you complete Idiot I want to know what part of bus industry you work for and were you work.

Calm down its only a bus service!
I worked in the Industry for over 30 years, LT, United Transport, BET,NBC, Stagecoach, Go Ahead.

bicky98 wrote:

Tragic Man! wrote:

Magicman! wrote:
There were calls for the route instead to be extended to form a 'centrelink' type service connecting Clifton Moor, Monks Cross, the University, and the Designer Outlet all together, and with the time to get from fulford to the designer outlet it'd only have required one extra vehicle and there'd have been enough timetable padding to counteract late running. Seeing the 44 now has 3 additional buses on the route then having another on the 20 wouldn't have caused much trouble.... The main problem is the frequency of the service - yes Transdev took a subsidised service and is now running it without any subsidy thus reducing burden on the council, but perhaps a 6 month trial into running a service every 30 minutes between the University and Clifton Moor could be in order? A more regular calling pattern results in more people using the service simply because it fits in more with their lifestyle (I've said this too about First services like the 12 to monks cross) - and it's obviously working on the 44. We've seen Transpennine trains increase in frequency and now pretty much every train is full and standing which means it has gained popularity; Stagecoach took a flailing bus service from Chesterfield to Sheffield and over a period of a year or two increased the frequency from one bus every 120 minutes to one every 30 minutes and now the double deckers they use are always full up... if you run a service where people want to go and as often as people want it to go then the people will come, it's just a case of tapping into supressed demand.

Plus if the service had been extended to the designer outlet it would have been used by people on fulford road who simply didn't want to be ripped off by the P&R fares.

lol, so you are saying that someone like me who lives on Fulford Rd would give up a very frequent 8-10 min service so I can "plan" my life round the hourly 20. I would happily pay the higher fare for the regular headway, oh by the way in the bus industry we use the term headway, not frequency,

I have never heard anything about the need for this "centrelink" rubbish.

You are an idiot it would be a good idea for it to go to the Designer outlet and i am a Resident of Osbaldwick and use the Service 20 Very ofern and hardly ever use service only on Sundays if I need to go out or simply if I just need to go to York but in the week when 20 connected to 19B/19L I used 20 then them to York as it was cheaper and Now when I Go out I always use 20 and other Transdev route I only use first If I am Going somewhere were Transdev Don't go but 20 is very good and use 415 or 42 or even better 24/26 or 35/36

Think about money these days everything is becoming more and more expensive and 7 is for P&R really

Clearly you have missed the point, I pay to use the 7 for the convenience and reliability and will continue to do so. Getting personal and refering to me and an idiot for doing so does nothing for healthy debate.