Poverty views give food for thought (From York Press)

Oh dear Mr Jones, what an embarrassing letter. Stewards comments where far worse and more insulting than anything thrown at him.

Interesting Mr Wareham – I must be of a similar age to you, but see things so differently. For all the talk of the current hard times we are going through I can still take a step back and look around me at a world which is so much more prosperous and better off than in those days after the war. We have come a long way since then. Yes there is a divide between rich and poor, but I’m sure that existed to very much the same extent then as it does now.

Are people happier now than they were then? I don’t suppose there’s much difference. I suspect that all through history the human being has been capable of creating happiness out of any degree of adversity.

What strikes me most when I read the many letters and comments on the subject of poverty in this newspaper is not the degree of destitution that exists in our society, but the amount of bitterness, greed and envy that seems to consume so many people. Perhaps it is that that we need to address.

The Great Buda wrote:
Oh dear Mr Jones, what an embarrassing letter. Stewards comments where far worse and more insulting than anything thrown at him.

Don't exaggerate. His comments were not aimed at an individual, and were misquoted. Anyone who has looked into this story will see that it was a stitch-up. Coun Simpson-Laing has boasted on Twitter that she prompted/provoked the comments, and then no doubt tipped off Gavin Aitchison. Giving it the front page adds weight to the already rife suspicions that Labour councillors are manipulating the Press unfairly. It stinks !

COUN Chris Steward’s criticism of food banks has drawn predictable condemnation, but it is a sad reflection that many website comments were personally abusive.

This was unwarranted and the individuals who post such remarks should remember that the Conservative group does not have a monopoly on weight problems. Coun Steward makes a valid point which deserves to be debated properly. Plenty of “poor” people seem to have no difficulty in keeping up a significant intake of cigarettes and booze. If their priorities were different they might not need to visit the food bank.

John Jones, Sand Hutton Manor, York.

• Editor’s note: The abusive comments were removed from the website.

Well said John Jones, and I applaud the Press for removing the abusive comments.

@Tony Wareham, yes all those things were brought in by Labour, envisioned by a Liberal, but all governments are, at the heart, the same.

It might be worth considering the risk of a 'French Revolution' in England after the two Wars, the rich and elite who had sent so many of our men to their deaths, and cost our societies families so much, which could have led to those same rich and elite being dragged in the streets and killed.

Society will not do that today though, even as they watch all these things being taken away from them, and a return to pre-war conditions, of inequality in housing, education and wages, healthcare and pensions few will benefit from. The apathy that has been sewn in society for so long, carefully crafted by buzzwords amongst those who misguidedly support the rich and elite, even though they aren't one of them, those who think they are middle class, yet aren't really.

Are there any poor people in Britain? I thought Nanny took care of everyone.

I mean sure, there are a handful of homeless people in most cities.

They always seem to have a dog.

Strange.

Chris Steward's comments were indeed worse than anything aimed at him
He threw false generalisations at and dismissed a whole section of society.

Incidentally he has openly admitted on Twitter his comments were stupid.

It looks like people are using the personal insults to distract from the real debate, from what he really said.


Funny that comments on Mr Steward's body shape are so unnacceptable but it's ok to constantly call jma1982 "fat controller" and TSL "sideshow bob"

How does that work then?
Oh yeah partisan blinkered double standards.

We either call everyone names or no-one.

Politics is a nasty business.

I find Mr Jones comments totally abusive so presumably they will be withdrawn. How dare he sit in his manor and condemn those who are in need. Where is his proof to substantiate what is being alleged? We will never forget the wholesale fraudulent expenses claims by MPs on all sides and at least there was plenty proof of their wrong doings and they can never be denied. No doubt it is still going on although I can't prove it. But that doesn't matter does it?

bolero wrote:
I find Mr Jones comments totally abusive so presumably they will be withdrawn. How dare he sit in his manor and condemn those who are in need. Where is his proof to substantiate what is being alleged? We will never forget the wholesale fraudulent expenses claims by MPs on all sides and at least there was plenty proof of their wrong doings and they can never be denied. No doubt it is still going on although I can't prove it. But that doesn't matter does it?

He deserves his manor - he worked for it, and started with nowt. Envious left-wingers would take it away from him in taxes if they could, because they don't like hard work, and would rather have the rich subsidise them.

Message to the left - get off your backsides, graft, and make your own money !

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Coun Stewards made a shameful error of judgement, let us not compound that shame by trying to defending his words. Tribal politics aside, Steward was wrong. I sincerely hope he has the character to admit it and apologise.

So what. A few badly chosen words, taken completely out of context, and blown up out of proportion by the media, with more than a little help from Labour councillors trying to distract attention from the harm they have done in York. Who has caused more damage ? Certainly not Coun Steward, who's words did nothing more than offend a few over-sensitive left wingers. On the other hand this Labour Council have wasted enough money to feed thousands. What is more important ? Looking after the needy in York or spending £600,000 on road signs for the 20mph policy, or £1.4million on new desks and chairs for the new offices, or £1m on new computers, or £600,000 making five year old James Street offices open plan ?

It's time that Yorkmpeople realised who is doing the real harm in York, instead of the wild goose chase aimed at Coun Stewards twitter outburst.

What a farce !

perplexed wrote:
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Coun Stewards made a shameful error of judgement, let us not compound that shame by trying to defending his words. Tribal politics aside, Steward was wrong. I sincerely hope he has the character to admit it and apologise.

Who really cares what Coun Steward says ?

What power and influence does he have, and what damage has he done ?

Time to pay attention to the spendthrift, wasteful policies that James Alexander and his band are forcing on York.

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
So what. A few badly chosen words, taken completely out of context, and blown up out of proportion by the media, with more than a little help from Labour councillors trying to distract attention from the harm they have done in York. Who has caused more damage ? Certainly not Coun Steward, who's words did nothing more than offend a few over-sensitive left wingers. On the other hand this Labour Council have wasted enough money to feed thousands. What is more important ? Looking after the needy in York or spending £600,000 on road signs for the 20mph policy, or £1.4million on new desks and chairs for the new offices, or £1m on new computers, or £600,000 making five year old James Street offices open plan ?

It's time that Yorkmpeople realised who is doing the real harm in York, instead of the wild goose chase aimed at Coun Stewards twitter outburst.

What a farce !

Personally, I would not consider myself a 'leftie' let alone an over sensitive one! The only farce here is your rather crude attempt to pretend that Coun Steward did not make an error of judgement and cause great offence!

This of course in no way detracts from the terrible mistakes made by our present council. But all your 'conspiracy theories' and righteous anger, do not make up up for the fact that Coun Steward got it wrong!

If you believe that the Conservatives are the only credible alternative to Labour in York, this is not the way to prove it to the electorate!

Buzz Light-year wrote:
Chris Steward's comments were indeed worse than anything aimed at him
He threw false generalisations at and dismissed a whole section of society.

Incidentally he has openly admitted on Twitter his comments were stupid.

It looks like people are using the personal insults to distract from the real debate, from what he really said.


Funny that comments on Mr Steward's body shape are so unnacceptable but it's ok to constantly call jma1982 "fat controller" and TSL "sideshow bob"

How does that work then?
Oh yeah partisan blinkered double standards.

We either call everyone names or no-one.

Politics is a nasty business.

I see that you tweeted Coun Alexander about the disallowing of comments on the letters criticising his pledge to increase housing provision in 2013. He says he has no control over what the Press do, so why do the Press do this, yet allow comments on controversial stories or letters about conservative councillors ?

One rule for James Alexander and another for the rest - a clear case of political bias and media manipulation, without a doubt.

perplexed wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
So what. A few badly chosen words, taken completely out of context, and blown up out of proportion by the media, with more than a little help from Labour councillors trying to distract attention from the harm they have done in York. Who has caused more damage ? Certainly not Coun Steward, who's words did nothing more than offend a few over-sensitive left wingers. On the other hand this Labour Council have wasted enough money to feed thousands. What is more important ? Looking after the needy in York or spending £600,000 on road signs for the 20mph policy, or £1.4million on new desks and chairs for the new offices, or £1m on new computers, or £600,000 making five year old James Street offices open plan ?

It's time that Yorkmpeople realised who is doing the real harm in York, instead of the wild goose chase aimed at Coun Stewards twitter outburst.

What a farce !

Personally, I would not consider myself a 'leftie' let alone an over sensitive one! The only farce here is your rather crude attempt to pretend that Coun Steward did not make an error of judgement and cause great offence!

This of course in no way detracts from the terrible mistakes made by our present council. But all your 'conspiracy theories' and righteous anger, do not make up up for the fact that Coun Steward got it wrong!

If you believe that the Conservatives are the only credible alternative to Labour in York, this is not the way to prove it to the electorate!

I didn't pretend that he didn't make an error of judgement - he clearly did, and said so. I said that it has been taken out of context and blown out of proportion, which it has.

I didn't say that the conservatives are a credible alternative either.

Stop twisting things and making false presumptions.

I said that this is being used as a distraction by Labour councillors and their supporters, to draw attention away from their mismanagement, flawed policies and wasteful spending.

Try and defend them on their performance, rather than going off at a tangent.

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Buzz Light-year wrote: Chris Steward's comments were indeed worse than anything aimed at him He threw false generalisations at and dismissed a whole section of society. Incidentally he has openly admitted on Twitter his comments were stupid. It looks like people are using the personal insults to distract from the real debate, from what he really said. Funny that comments on Mr Steward's body shape are so unnacceptable but it's ok to constantly call jma1982 "fat controller" and TSL "sideshow bob" How does that work then? Oh yeah partisan blinkered double standards. We either call everyone names or no-one. Politics is a nasty business.

I see that you tweeted Coun Alexander about the disallowing of comments on the letters criticising his pledge to increase housing provision in 2013. He says he has no control over what the Press do, so why do the Press do this, yet allow comments on controversial stories or letters about conservative councillors ? One rule for James Alexander and another for the rest - a clear case of political bias and media manipulation, without a doubt.

Well, not being as partisan as you I'm not as ready to jump to "without a doubt" and make wild claims so easily.

It is a confusing situation though.

jma1982 did say he has no editorial control - well duh! Only people on the payroll have editorial control. I recognise a fob off a mile away.

The question isn't control, it's influence.
Any one of us can lobby, email, text, tweet and blog about The Press with our concerns about what is written about us. Not all of us have the same sway.
My Twitter question on that remains ignored by jma1982.

Only the decision makers know why the decisions are made.

I mean, who knows? Let's just say for an example that The Press are actually anti-labour... What if they deliberately censor debate to make it look like jma1982 is responsible for shutting it down? Cast him in a tyrannical role?

Politics is a nasty business. A good home for the paranoid.

Mr Laverack's last letter positively encouraged criticism and here's this one and no-one can say anything for good or bad, champagne or soda. (Oops champagne sorry captain! Wait no I'm not)



So Pimpernel, now you've seen my new Twitter feed, will you finally acknowledge that I'm as apolitical as I claim?

I don't even know why I'm getting myself so involved in local politics. It's nasty.
I care for freedom. For people and for speech.

Richard Feynman wrote:
Are there any poor people in Britain? I thought Nanny took care of everyone.

I mean sure, there are a handful of homeless people in most cities.

They always seem to have a dog.

Strange.

If I was at rock bottom and all alone I would want a dog. They are far more loving, forgiving and reliable than many humans.

Come to think of it so is the ebola virus.

Buzz

You know as well as I do that the Press are not anti-Labour, and they have not disallowed comments on jma1982 stories/letters of their own accord. They have been persuaded to do tgis and it amounts to jma1982 acting like a dictator. End of.

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

bolero wrote:
I find Mr Jones comments totally abusive so presumably they will be withdrawn. How dare he sit in his manor and condemn those who are in need. Where is his proof to substantiate what is being alleged? We will never forget the wholesale fraudulent expenses claims by MPs on all sides and at least there was plenty proof of their wrong doings and they can never be denied. No doubt it is still going on although I can't prove it. But that doesn't matter does it?

He deserves his manor - he worked for it, and started with nowt. Envious left-wingers would take it away from him in taxes if they could, because they don't like hard work, and would rather have the rich subsidise them.

Message to the left - get off your backsides, graft, and make your own money !

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Well, we will be seeing you in a few years as the next Tory leader then, you've already passed the "out of touch with normal people" test, congratulations.

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

perplexed wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
So what. A few badly chosen words, taken completely out of context, and blown up out of proportion by the media, with more than a little help from Labour councillors trying to distract attention from the harm they have done in York. Who has caused more damage ? Certainly not Coun Steward, who's words did nothing more than offend a few over-sensitive left wingers. On the other hand this Labour Council have wasted enough money to feed thousands. What is more important ? Looking after the needy in York or spending £600,000 on road signs for the 20mph policy, or £1.4million on new desks and chairs for the new offices, or £1m on new computers, or £600,000 making five year old James Street offices open plan ?

It's time that Yorkmpeople realised who is doing the real harm in York, instead of the wild goose chase aimed at Coun Stewards twitter outburst.

What a farce !

Personally, I would not consider myself a 'leftie' let alone an over sensitive one! The only farce here is your rather crude attempt to pretend that Coun Steward did not make an error of judgement and cause great offence!

This of course in no way detracts from the terrible mistakes made by our present council. But all your 'conspiracy theories' and righteous anger, do not make up up for the fact that Coun Steward got it wrong!

If you believe that the Conservatives are the only credible alternative to Labour in York, this is not the way to prove it to the electorate!

I didn't pretend that he didn't make an error of judgement - he clearly did, and said so. I said that it has been taken out of context and blown out of proportion, which it has.

I didn't say that the conservatives are a credible alternative either.

Stop twisting things and making false presumptions.

I said that this is being used as a distraction by Labour councillors and their supporters, to draw attention away from their mismanagement, flawed policies and wasteful spending.

Try and defend them on their performance, rather than going off at a tangent.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

As far as going off at a tangent, pimpernel you can 'bend it like beckham'.

You may remember, it was your good self who first introduced to the post one of your many 'conspiracy' theories concerning both the Labour Council and the press.

While such contributions offer an 'amusing' distraction to the nitty gritty of daily life, the lack of evidence speaks for itself.

Labour will have to answer for their mismanagement of the council, Coun Steward will have to answer for his stupidity!

perplexed wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

perplexed wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote: So what. A few badly chosen words, taken completely out of context, and blown up out of proportion by the media, with more than a little help from Labour councillors trying to distract attention from the harm they have done in York. Who has caused more damage ? Certainly not Coun Steward, who's words did nothing more than offend a few over-sensitive left wingers. On the other hand this Labour Council have wasted enough money to feed thousands. What is more important ? Looking after the needy in York or spending £600,000 on road signs for the 20mph policy, or £1.4million on new desks and chairs for the new offices, or £1m on new computers, or £600,000 making five year old James Street offices open plan ? It's time that Yorkmpeople realised who is doing the real harm in York, instead of the wild goose chase aimed at Coun Stewards twitter outburst. What a farce !

Personally, I would not consider myself a 'leftie' let alone an over sensitive one! The only farce here is your rather crude attempt to pretend that Coun Steward did not make an error of judgement and cause great offence! This of course in no way detracts from the terrible mistakes made by our present council. But all your 'conspiracy theories' and righteous anger, do not make up up for the fact that Coun Steward got it wrong! If you believe that the Conservatives are the only credible alternative to Labour in York, this is not the way to prove it to the electorate!

I didn't pretend that he didn't make an error of judgement - he clearly did, and said so. I said that it has been taken out of context and blown out of proportion, which it has. I didn't say that the conservatives are a credible alternative either. Stop twisting things and making false presumptions. I said that this is being used as a distraction by Labour councillors and their supporters, to draw attention away from their mismanagement, flawed policies and wasteful spending. Try and defend them on their performance, rather than going off at a tangent.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! As far as going off at a tangent, pimpernel you can 'bend it like beckham'. You may remember, it was your good self who first introduced to the post one of your many 'conspiracy' theories concerning both the Labour Council and the press. While such contributions offer an 'amusing' distraction to the nitty gritty of daily life, the lack of evidence speaks for itself. Labour will have to answer for their mismanagement of the council, Coun Steward will have to answer for his stupidity!

Yes, but, a few badly chosen words hurt only the over-sensitive left-wing whingers, but, the actions of the Labour Council's mismanagement and wasteful spending cost York residents and deprive those in need.

The people of York will forgive and forget Coun Steward's misquoted tweet, but, they will remember James Alexander's dictatorial and disastrous leadership at the next election, and vote for any of the other parties or independants. Labour have used York as a party political stick to beat the coalition, and it will be their undoing. James Alexander and Kersten England have looked after themselves and their politics, not the interests of York and it's residents.

Magicman! wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

bolero wrote: I find Mr Jones comments totally abusive so presumably they will be withdrawn. How dare he sit in his manor and condemn those who are in need. Where is his proof to substantiate what is being alleged? We will never forget the wholesale fraudulent expenses claims by MPs on all sides and at least there was plenty proof of their wrong doings and they can never be denied. No doubt it is still going on although I can't prove it. But that doesn't matter does it?

He deserves his manor - he worked for it, and started with nowt. Envious left-wingers would take it away from him in taxes if they could, because they don't like hard work, and would rather have the rich subsidise them. Message to the left - get off your backsides, graft, and make your own money !

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Well, we will be seeing you in a few years as the next Tory leader then, you've already passed the "out of touch with normal people" test, congratulations.

Normal, hardworking people aspire to be successful and admire self-made men like John Jones. Lazy left-wing whingers are just envious, bitter losers, who use the plight of the poor as an excuse to con the electorate. It's all so transparent. If you want a successful economy, back those who know how to make money and provide jobs, not the Labour losers who waste money and then blame everyone else for the mess they cause.

Scarlet Pimpernel is typical of all politicians. They will talk utter drivel until the cows come home and defend one another until they're blue in the face. Truth however does not enter into their arguments at all. I will repeat my reminder about the proven false expenses claims made by members of all the corrupt parties and how any one of them or those of their ilk can seriously criticise anyone for whatever reason is just beyond belief.

Normal, hardworking people aspire to be successful and admire self-made men like John Jones. Lazy left-wing whingers are just envious, bitter losers, who use the plight of the poor as an excuse to con the electorate.

Then, if these labour losers become successful and self-made all of a sudden you call them champagne socialists and hypocrites for being left wing and having money.

You are the worst kind of raving partisan zealot, Pimpernel.

Politics is a nasty business.

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Magicman! wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

bolero wrote: I find Mr Jones comments totally abusive so presumably they will be withdrawn. How dare he sit in his manor and condemn those who are in need. Where is his proof to substantiate what is being alleged? We will never forget the wholesale fraudulent expenses claims by MPs on all sides and at least there was plenty proof of their wrong doings and they can never be denied. No doubt it is still going on although I can't prove it. But that doesn't matter does it?

He deserves his manor - he worked for it, and started with nowt. Envious left-wingers would take it away from him in taxes if they could, because they don't like hard work, and would rather have the rich subsidise them. Message to the left - get off your backsides, graft, and make your own money !

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Well, we will be seeing you in a few years as the next Tory leader then, you've already passed the "out of touch with normal people" test, congratulations.

Normal, hardworking people aspire to be successful and admire self-made men like John Jones. Lazy left-wing whingers are just envious, bitter losers, who use the plight of the poor as an excuse to con the electorate. It's all so transparent. If you want a successful economy, back those who know how to make money and provide jobs, not the Labour losers who waste money and then blame everyone else for the mess they cause.

Pimpernel, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but it is only an opinion! Crude charactertures of local politicians and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories do not support the facts.

It is fact of life that not everyone shares the same opinion, disparaging those who disagree with you only undermines your point. I believe that Coun Steward made a terrible judgement call and will answer for it. Comments like, 'lazy left- wing whingers' are actually rather sad. James Alexander must be laughing thanks to this positive PR you are affording him!

perplexed wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Magicman! wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

bolero wrote: I find Mr Jones comments totally abusive so presumably they will be withdrawn. How dare he sit in his manor and condemn those who are in need. Where is his proof to substantiate what is being alleged? We will never forget the wholesale fraudulent expenses claims by MPs on all sides and at least there was plenty proof of their wrong doings and they can never be denied. No doubt it is still going on although I can't prove it. But that doesn't matter does it?

He deserves his manor - he worked for it, and started with nowt. Envious left-wingers would take it away from him in taxes if they could, because they don't like hard work, and would rather have the rich subsidise them. Message to the left - get off your backsides, graft, and make your own money !

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Well, we will be seeing you in a few years as the next Tory leader then, you've already passed the "out of touch with normal people" test, congratulations.

Normal, hardworking people aspire to be successful and admire self-made men like John Jones. Lazy left-wing whingers are just envious, bitter losers, who use the plight of the poor as an excuse to con the electorate. It's all so transparent. If you want a successful economy, back those who know how to make money and provide jobs, not the Labour losers who waste money and then blame everyone else for the mess they cause.

Pimpernel, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but it is only an opinion! Crude charactertures of local politicians and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories do not support the facts.

It is fact of life that not everyone shares the same opinion, disparaging those who disagree with you only undermines your point. I believe that Coun Steward made a terrible judgement call and will answer for it. Comments like, 'lazy left- wing whingers' are actually rather sad. James Alexander must be laughing thanks to this positive PR you are affording him!

Like I said, it's about deeds not words. I judge councillors on what their policies deliver.

Positive PR for JA ? I doubt it.

Unsubstantiated conspiracy theories ? What do you call closing Beckfield Lane tip because it saves £60,000, then spending £600,000 on 20mph signage ? Spending £1.4million on desks and chairs. Spending £1m on new computers. Spending £600,000 refurbishing five-ear old offices. All very beneficial to York residents at a time when cuts are causing hardship, NOT !

Buzz Light-year wrote:

Normal, hardworking people aspire to be successful and admire self-made men like John Jones. Lazy left-wing whingers are just envious, bitter losers, who use the plight of the poor as an excuse to con the electorate.

Then, if these labour losers become successful and self-made all of a sudden you call them champagne socialists and hypocrites for being left wing and having money.

You are the worst kind of raving partisan zealot, Pimpernel.

Politics is a nasty business.

I'm not a politician. I tell the truth, and don't fiddle. I work hard, pay my taxes, and have struggled at times, and I will blame any politician of any party where they are to blame. The biggest liars, cheats and hypocrits are from the Labour party, but, these traits are not exclusive to that party. There are some honest trustworthy politicians but few are from the Labour party.

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

perplexed wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Magicman! wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

bolero wrote: I find Mr Jones comments totally abusive so presumably they will be withdrawn. How dare he sit in his manor and condemn those who are in need. Where is his proof to substantiate what is being alleged? We will never forget the wholesale fraudulent expenses claims by MPs on all sides and at least there was plenty proof of their wrong doings and they can never be denied. No doubt it is still going on although I can't prove it. But that doesn't matter does it?

He deserves his manor - he worked for it, and started with nowt. Envious left-wingers would take it away from him in taxes if they could, because they don't like hard work, and would rather have the rich subsidise them. Message to the left - get off your backsides, graft, and make your own money !

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Well, we will be seeing you in a few years as the next Tory leader then, you've already passed the "out of touch with normal people" test, congratulations.

Normal, hardworking people aspire to be successful and admire self-made men like John Jones. Lazy left-wing whingers are just envious, bitter losers, who use the plight of the poor as an excuse to con the electorate. It's all so transparent. If you want a successful economy, back those who know how to make money and provide jobs, not the Labour losers who waste money and then blame everyone else for the mess they cause.

Pimpernel, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but it is only an opinion! Crude charactertures of local politicians and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories do not support the facts.

It is fact of life that not everyone shares the same opinion, disparaging those who disagree with you only undermines your point. I believe that Coun Steward made a terrible judgement call and will answer for it. Comments like, 'lazy left- wing whingers' are actually rather sad. James Alexander must be laughing thanks to this positive PR you are affording him!

Like I said, it's about deeds not words. I judge councillors on what their policies deliver.

Positive PR for JA ? I doubt it.

Unsubstantiated conspiracy theories ? What do you call closing Beckfield Lane tip because it saves £60,000, then spending £600,000 on 20mph signage ? Spending £1.4million on desks and chairs. Spending £1m on new computers. Spending £600,000 refurbishing five-ear old offices. All very beneficial to York residents at a time when cuts are causing hardship, NOT !

Where is your evidence of Labour councillors manipulating the Press unfairly? Have you approached the Press Complaints Commission to look into your 'theories', it would be a welcome break after Leveson?

No one I am sure would argue with your point about Council excesses, but your attempts to dismiss other peoples opinions with rather crude disparaging remarks, tend to undermine your argument. Personal vilification of those differ in opinion to yourself is a huge disincentive when it comes to getting people on side and in that sense you are doing JA no harm at all!

You are however right about one thing, it is deeds not words which count, a lesson for us all I think.

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Buzz Light-year wrote:

Normal, hardworking people aspire to be successful and admire self-made men like John Jones. Lazy left-wing whingers are just envious, bitter losers, who use the plight of the poor as an excuse to con the electorate.

Then, if these labour losers become successful and self-made all of a sudden you call them champagne socialists and hypocrites for being left wing and having money. You are the worst kind of raving partisan zealot, Pimpernel. Politics is a nasty business.

I'm not a politician. I tell the truth, and don't fiddle. I work hard, pay my taxes, and have struggled at times, and I will blame any politician of any party where they are to blame. The biggest liars, cheats and hypocrits are from the Labour party, but, these traits are not exclusive to that party. There are some honest trustworthy politicians but few are from the Labour party.

Total guff. Laughable guff.

Who said you were a politician?

I seem to remember one of your many banned alter egos, Duck in the Hedge probably, I remember that one simply spewing forth the words "blue blue blue" in some discussion or other.

Don't make us laugh Pimpernel.
Don't insult our intelligence and our capacity to remember.

You're a zealot.
You despise me, you disagree with me on everything but you are more than willing to pal up with me when it looks like I might be able to serve your political agenda.
Snake.

Politics is a nasty business.

Buzz Light-year wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Buzz Light-year wrote:

Normal, hardworking people aspire to be successful and admire self-made men like John Jones. Lazy left-wing whingers are just envious, bitter losers, who use the plight of the poor as an excuse to con the electorate.

Then, if these labour losers become successful and self-made all of a sudden you call them champagne socialists and hypocrites for being left wing and having money. You are the worst kind of raving partisan zealot, Pimpernel. Politics is a nasty business.

I'm not a politician. I tell the truth, and don't fiddle. I work hard, pay my taxes, and have struggled at times, and I will blame any politician of any party where they are to blame. The biggest liars, cheats and hypocrits are from the Labour party, but, these traits are not exclusive to that party. There are some honest trustworthy politicians but few are from the Labour party.

Total guff. Laughable guff.

Who said you were a politician?

I seem to remember one of your many banned alter egos, Duck in the Hedge probably, I remember that one simply spewing forth the words "blue blue blue" in some discussion or other.

Don't make us laugh Pimpernel.
Don't insult our intelligence and our capacity to remember.

You're a zealot.
You despise me, you disagree with me on everything but you are more than willing to pal up with me when it looks like I might be able to serve your political agenda.
Snake.

Politics is a nasty business.

You have a poor memory and suffer from paranoia.

Buzz

I have agreed with you when you have been right, but not when you were wrong. I have not tried to 'pal up' with you I have been honest, open, and consistent. I do not despise you, and I am not a snake, so please do not confuse me with the nest of vipers at City of York Council.

In time, you will discover who the biggest vipers are, and when you do
, I ask you to expose them and the wrongs that they do.

You are barking up the wrong tree, trying to demonise or discredit me.

Pimpernel.

No-one is trying to demonise or discredit you.
I'm responding appropriately to your guff.

Agreeing with me when I'm right and not when I'm wrong?
Like I said, you mean when I concur with your agenda.
Your opinions are your opinions. It's pretty arrogant to assume you're always right and others are only right when you agree.

Who needs memory when there's a search box?

Buzz Light-year wrote:
Pimpernel. No-one is trying to demonise or discredit you. I'm responding appropriately to your guff. Agreeing with me when I'm right and not when I'm wrong? Like I said, you mean when I concur with your agenda. Your opinions are your opinions. It's pretty arrogant to assume you're always right and others are only right when you agree. Who needs memory when there's a search box?

Use the search box and find the alleged 'blue, blue, blue' comment then !

I await to hear from you as to when I wrote this ?

At 9.12pm on Sun 6 Jan 2013, Buzz LightYear wrote;
"I seem to remember one of your many banned alter egos, Duck in the Hedge probably, I remember that one simply spewing forth the words "blue blue blue" in some discussion or other.

Don't make us laugh Pimpernel.
Don't insult our intelligence and our capacity to remember.

I'm waiting for you to use the search engine, and prove that your memory is as good as you say it is.

Give me the date of the comment when I said this, and quote the passage verbatim, please.

....or, did you just make it up, and hope that no one would challenge you ?

You know I didn't make it up.

There's loads of classic Thorn in Side Duck in Hedge Crabtree quotes to be had.

Guess it's hard to remember what so many alter egos said?

Buzz Light-year wrote:
You know I didn't make it up.

There's loads of classic Thorn in Side Duck in Hedge Crabtree quotes to be had.

Guess it's hard to remember what so many alter egos said?

I do not recall ever writing that, so yes, I do think that you made it up !

Prove it, or apologise !

Apologise? Just like you and "the gang" always do?

More chance of seeing me in a live webcast three-way with Gail Platt and Boris Johnson tbh.

Buzz Light-year wrote:
Apologise? Just like you and "the gang" always do? More chance of seeing me in a live webcast three-way with Gail Platt and Boris Johnson tbh.

Ah ha, thought so - you can't find it, because it never existed - you made it up !

Never mind, your credibility is damaged, and the lack of an apology just makes you look a bad loser, with a bad memory !

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Buzz Light-year wrote: Apologise? Just like you and "the gang" always do? More chance of seeing me in a live webcast three-way with Gail Platt and Boris Johnson tbh.

Ah ha, thought so - you can't find it, because it never existed - you made it up ! Never mind, your credibility is damaged, and the lack of an apology just makes you look a bad loser, with a bad memory !

Dude, listen to yourself.
You're almost as embarrassing a self parody as Paul.

"Your credibility is damaged" - Really? Who with? The millions of readers perusing this four day old online fish wrapper?
Just you then. I don't care what you think of me.
I don't care what any readers think of me. I just have my say here. Like it says on the tin.

FYI I was paraphrasing, you didn't exactly say "blue blue blue" but you did answer several comments including the words "blue" and words like "all the way" You know it's true.
There's nothing worse than a liar. Apart from maybe someone who can't apologise. And then demands apologies from others.

I'd love to search this site over years worth of your many alter egos and repetitive dogma but woah look at that! OMG that paint is DRYING!

Buzz Light-year wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Buzz Light-year wrote: Apologise? Just like you and "the gang" always do? More chance of seeing me in a live webcast three-way with Gail Platt and Boris Johnson tbh.

Ah ha, thought so - you can't find it, because it never existed - you made it up ! Never mind, your credibility is damaged, and the lack of an apology just makes you look a bad loser, with a bad memory !

Dude, listen to yourself.
You're almost as embarrassing a self parody as Paul.

"Your credibility is damaged" - Really? Who with? The millions of readers perusing this four day old online fish wrapper?
Just you then. I don't care what you think of me.
I don't care what any readers think of me. I just have my say here. Like it says on the tin.

FYI I was paraphrasing, you didn't exactly say "blue blue blue" but you did answer several comments including the words "blue" and words like "all the way" You know it's true.
There's nothing worse than a liar. Apart from maybe someone who can't apologise. And then demands apologies from others.

I'd love to search this site over years worth of your many alter egos and repetitive dogma but woah look at that! OMG that paint is DRYING!

..........and your point is ?

BTW, I AM NOT a liar !!!!