Deplorable service

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First bus operator did not provide any service around York during Boxing Day which I think is deplorable on a day which is very busy for the retail trade, the tourist trade, sporting events, the general public wanting to get out and about after Christmas Day and not least, those people who needed to get to work.

Think of the implications for those people without personal transport who had to make a journey for one reason or another.

While transport for York is constantly in the City Council’s view, perhaps now is the time for the City of York Council, the Chamber of Commerce, York Tourist Board, and other interested parties to start calling the shots and make strong representations to First to give the city a bus service worthy of York’s status.

If they cannot do it, there must be a worthy competitor to First somewhere out there.

Gerald Haughton, Lords Moor Lane, Strensall, York.

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8:54am Mon 31 Dec 12

MadHaxMan says...

Small correction. I believe First operated the three Park and Ride services on Boxing Day.
Small correction. I believe First operated the three Park and Ride services on Boxing Day. MadHaxMan
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10:46am Mon 31 Dec 12

Funnyian says...

Between First York and Transdev they have York tied up and seems like no one can make a justifiable complaint against either companies could we suggest that someone looks very closely at the transport procurement process or am I hitting a raw nerve once again
Between First York and Transdev they have York tied up and seems like no one can make a justifiable complaint against either companies could we suggest that someone looks very closely at the transport procurement process or am I hitting a raw nerve once again Funnyian
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11:22am Mon 31 Dec 12

oswaldcobblepot says...

You will find most bus companies do not offer a service or will reduce the number of services over Christmas Day/Boxing Day. This is the way it has been for many many years as I am sure you will know.
I understand what you are saying about people not being able to get to work and I agree, but in terms of yourself and other shoppers out on Boxing Day I would say do you really need to trawl around shops then? Are you seriously that desperate for bargains? Maybe if people like yourself didn't shop on boxing day the stores wouldn't have to open and the poor shopkeepers (like the bus drivers) can have an extra well deserved day off.
But that won't happen because couldn't be bothered to buy an extra pint of milk two days before.
You will find most bus companies do not offer a service or will reduce the number of services over Christmas Day/Boxing Day. This is the way it has been for many many years as I am sure you will know. I understand what you are saying about people not being able to get to work and I agree, but in terms of yourself and other shoppers out on Boxing Day I would say do you really need to trawl around shops then? Are you seriously that desperate for bargains? Maybe if people like yourself didn't shop on boxing day the stores wouldn't have to open and the poor shopkeepers (like the bus drivers) can have an extra well deserved day off. But that won't happen because couldn't be bothered to buy an extra pint of milk two days before. oswaldcobblepot
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11:41am Mon 31 Dec 12

amike says...

MadHaxMan wrote:
Small correction. I believe First operated the three Park and Ride services on Boxing Day.
Yes and one wonders how much this 'free service' cost. with a manager at each of the three depots as well as the drivers.

Why didn't the council change a token fare to offset some of the cost and provide capital for more services?
[quote][p][bold]MadHaxMan[/bold] wrote: Small correction. I believe First operated the three Park and Ride services on Boxing Day.[/p][/quote]Yes and one wonders how much this 'free service' cost. with a manager at each of the three depots as well as the drivers. Why didn't the council change a token fare to offset some of the cost and provide capital for more services? amike
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12:46pm Mon 31 Dec 12

pedalling paul says...

Blame Maggie...she deregulated the buses!
Blame Maggie...she deregulated the buses! pedalling paul
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12:52pm Mon 31 Dec 12

sparkseffect says...

The simple fact is that hardly anybody would use the buses on Boxing Day anyway - except for Park and Ride services which are aimed at car users. West Yorkshire ran a basic service on Christmas Day until 1969, by which time hardly anybody was using it; Boxing Day services staggered on for several more years with fewer people using them each year. I worked on the otherwise busy 1 and 8 routes on the last day of full weekday services on New Year's Day (in 1978) and saw less than half a dozen passengers in the first three hours. Extra buses for late night shopping fell by the wayside - again, except for Park and Ride - about 12 years ago because not enough people were using them. Today, just look at Monk's Cross - most of their customers arrive by car because it's more convenient to carry heavy and bulky items that way, especially when the family car is available because it's a bank holiday. Yes, it's a problem for those who don't have a car but it's also a sign of the times.
The simple fact is that hardly anybody would use the buses on Boxing Day anyway - except for Park and Ride services which are aimed at car users. West Yorkshire ran a basic service on Christmas Day until 1969, by which time hardly anybody was using it; Boxing Day services staggered on for several more years with fewer people using them each year. I worked on the otherwise busy 1 and 8 routes on the last day of full weekday services on New Year's Day (in 1978) and saw less than half a dozen passengers in the first three hours. Extra buses for late night shopping fell by the wayside - again, except for Park and Ride - about 12 years ago because not enough people were using them. Today, just look at Monk's Cross - most of their customers arrive by car because it's more convenient to carry heavy and bulky items that way, especially when the family car is available because it's a bank holiday. Yes, it's a problem for those who don't have a car but it's also a sign of the times. sparkseffect
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1:22pm Mon 31 Dec 12

goatman says...

Somebody should pull down that "10 minute service" bull that is posted up in every number 1 bus. Both last hursday and Friday I had to wait in excess of twenty minutes in Haxby for an early afternoon bus. And "frequent intervals" should not mean two buses nose to tail in each direction as I noticed this lunchtime.

Pah!
Somebody should pull down that "10 minute service" bull that is posted up in every number 1 bus. Both last hursday and Friday I had to wait in excess of twenty minutes in Haxby for an early afternoon bus. And "frequent intervals" should not mean two buses nose to tail in each direction as I noticed this lunchtime. Pah! goatman
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4:22pm Mon 31 Dec 12

jackhigh says...

Yes P/P, but Maggie allowed you to carry on travelling on trains anywhere anytime for FREE
Yes P/P, but Maggie allowed you to carry on travelling on trains anywhere anytime for FREE jackhigh
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6:16pm Mon 31 Dec 12

pedalling paul says...

jackhigh wrote:
Yes P/P, but Maggie allowed you to carry on travelling on trains anywhere anytime for FREE
Moi...? Free trains rides? Must be one of my dopplegangers!
[quote][p][bold]jackhigh[/bold] wrote: Yes P/P, but Maggie allowed you to carry on travelling on trains anywhere anytime for FREE[/p][/quote]Moi...? Free trains rides? Must be one of my dopplegangers! pedalling paul
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7:41pm Mon 31 Dec 12

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

pedalling paul wrote:
jackhigh wrote:
Yes P/P, but Maggie allowed you to carry on travelling on trains anywhere anytime for FREE
Moi...? Free trains rides? Must be one of my dopplegangers!
And still feels he can lecture others on choice of transport.


What a hypocrite.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jackhigh[/bold] wrote: Yes P/P, but Maggie allowed you to carry on travelling on trains anywhere anytime for FREE[/p][/quote]Moi...? Free trains rides? Must be one of my dopplegangers![/p][/quote]And still feels he can lecture others on choice of transport. What a hypocrite. NoNewsIsGoodNews
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10:44pm Mon 31 Dec 12

ColdAsChristmas says...

I see rail fares have gone up by more than inflation yet again as they do every year. Add to this a sparse bus service and there is only one answer, more cars.
The only question remains is how do people without private transport get about without costing a fortune or freezing to death at a bus stop?
I see rail fares have gone up by more than inflation yet again as they do every year. Add to this a sparse bus service and there is only one answer, more cars. The only question remains is how do people without private transport get about without costing a fortune or freezing to death at a bus stop? ColdAsChristmas
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2:46am Tue 1 Jan 13

Magicman! says...

goatman wrote:
Somebody should pull down that "10 minute service" bull that is posted up in every number 1 bus. Both last hursday and Friday I had to wait in excess of twenty minutes in Haxby for an early afternoon bus. And "frequent intervals" should not mean two buses nose to tail in each direction as I noticed this lunchtime.

Pah!
"at frequent intervals" is First's spin on reality, which is "We'll show up whenever we can be ar$ed to, you still have to use our service so we don't care".
[quote][p][bold]goatman[/bold] wrote: Somebody should pull down that "10 minute service" bull that is posted up in every number 1 bus. Both last hursday and Friday I had to wait in excess of twenty minutes in Haxby for an early afternoon bus. And "frequent intervals" should not mean two buses nose to tail in each direction as I noticed this lunchtime. Pah![/p][/quote]"at frequent intervals" is First's spin on reality, which is "We'll show up whenever we can be ar$ed to, you still have to use our service so we don't care". Magicman!
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3:01am Tue 1 Jan 13

Magicman! says...

sparkseffect wrote:
The simple fact is that hardly anybody would use the buses on Boxing Day anyway - except for Park and Ride services which are aimed at car users. West Yorkshire ran a basic service on Christmas Day until 1969, by which time hardly anybody was using it; Boxing Day services staggered on for several more years with fewer people using them each year. I worked on the otherwise busy 1 and 8 routes on the last day of full weekday services on New Year's Day (in 1978) and saw less than half a dozen passengers in the first three hours. Extra buses for late night shopping fell by the wayside - again, except for Park and Ride - about 12 years ago because not enough people were using them. Today, just look at Monk's Cross - most of their customers arrive by car because it's more convenient to carry heavy and bulky items that way, especially when the family car is available because it's a bank holiday. Yes, it's a problem for those who don't have a car but it's also a sign of the times.
Also look at the bus service to Monks Cross, and by 'service' I mean the ACTUAL bus service used by locals and so this excludes the P&R.... the number 12:- it starts later than it used to, only goes twice an hour, and the last bus out there leaves the city centre at 4.40pm. If Stagecoach can run a bus leaving Keswick in the Lake DIstrict going off to Lancaster later than that why can't a simple 2 mile run from a shopping outlet with a 24 hour supermarket run a bit later?
Compare it to the number 6 - this is "every 10 minutes" and runs on until midnight. Both the 6 and 12 run from the city centre to a retail park via a sizeable council estate - yet Monks Cross gets a raw deal... and THAT is why most people arrive there by car. When First got rid of the evening services a year or two ago and cut it back to the last bus leaving MX at 5pm, the amount of cars arriving at the retail park at christmas time went up by about 40% compared to the previous year's christmas car-based shoppers.
To be honest, shopping and using the bus in York is appauling... the designer outlet shuts at 6pm latest, so any ideas of shopping in the city centre then going out to the outlet for a couple hours more shopping and then a drink and a bit to eat before going home are out of the window (this is a common routine for people visiting Sheffield & Meadowhall or Manchester & Trafford Centre); Monks Cross has no buses serving any areas of proper housing after 4.30pm, with the P&R dying off at 8pm for those who work at the shops but living in the city, whilst those who work in the supermarkets on 'lates' have no bus home at all; and at Clifton Moor it is only the central area that has a bus service to the city centre, and this serves a bus stop that is undersized thus forcing many waiting people to have to stand whilst waiting - the East section gets an hourly bus service that calls at stops behind the shops because the whole centre has been built the completely wrong way round - whilst the West section has no buses going anywhere near it at all. I think a rising bollard should be installed in Hurricane Way / Manor Drive so that buses can go from Clifton Moor along there to bypass the congested bypass and then go along the A19 and either Leeman Road or Holgate to the city centre - I bet it'd be quicker than the current route which gets stuck in congestion at Clifton Moorgate and from Crichton avenue bridge all the way to the theatre.


Other places have had Boxing Day bus services... in Workington (cumbria) a local volunteer group has bene running a bus service for several years using a preserved Leyland National.... in West Yorkshire there have been several Boxing Day buses, as well as in Newcastle and Manchester, and even in Hull. York's bus network is still pretty backward compared to a lot of other places.... we don't even have a bus station for Gods sake!
[quote][p][bold]sparkseffect[/bold] wrote: The simple fact is that hardly anybody would use the buses on Boxing Day anyway - except for Park and Ride services which are aimed at car users. West Yorkshire ran a basic service on Christmas Day until 1969, by which time hardly anybody was using it; Boxing Day services staggered on for several more years with fewer people using them each year. I worked on the otherwise busy 1 and 8 routes on the last day of full weekday services on New Year's Day (in 1978) and saw less than half a dozen passengers in the first three hours. Extra buses for late night shopping fell by the wayside - again, except for Park and Ride - about 12 years ago because not enough people were using them. Today, just look at Monk's Cross - most of their customers arrive by car because it's more convenient to carry heavy and bulky items that way, especially when the family car is available because it's a bank holiday. Yes, it's a problem for those who don't have a car but it's also a sign of the times.[/p][/quote]Also look at the bus service to Monks Cross, and by 'service' I mean the ACTUAL bus service used by locals and so this excludes the P&R.... the number 12:- it starts later than it used to, only goes twice an hour, and the last bus out there leaves the city centre at 4.40pm. If Stagecoach can run a bus leaving Keswick in the Lake DIstrict going off to Lancaster later than that why can't a simple 2 mile run from a shopping outlet with a 24 hour supermarket run a bit later? Compare it to the number 6 - this is "every 10 minutes" and runs on until midnight. Both the 6 and 12 run from the city centre to a retail park via a sizeable council estate - yet Monks Cross gets a raw deal... and THAT is why most people arrive there by car. When First got rid of the evening services a year or two ago and cut it back to the last bus leaving MX at 5pm, the amount of cars arriving at the retail park at christmas time went up by about 40% compared to the previous year's christmas car-based shoppers. To be honest, shopping and using the bus in York is appauling... the designer outlet shuts at 6pm latest, so any ideas of shopping in the city centre then going out to the outlet for a couple hours more shopping and then a drink and a bit to eat before going home are out of the window (this is a common routine for people visiting Sheffield & Meadowhall or Manchester & Trafford Centre); Monks Cross has no buses serving any areas of proper housing after 4.30pm, with the P&R dying off at 8pm for those who work at the shops but living in the city, whilst those who work in the supermarkets on 'lates' have no bus home at all; and at Clifton Moor it is only the central area that has a bus service to the city centre, and this serves a bus stop that is undersized thus forcing many waiting people to have to stand whilst waiting - the East section gets an hourly bus service that calls at stops behind the shops because the whole centre has been built the completely wrong way round - whilst the West section has no buses going anywhere near it at all. I think a rising bollard should be installed in Hurricane Way / Manor Drive so that buses can go from Clifton Moor along there to bypass the congested bypass and then go along the A19 and either Leeman Road or Holgate to the city centre - I bet it'd be quicker than the current route which gets stuck in congestion at Clifton Moorgate and from Crichton avenue bridge all the way to the theatre. Other places have had Boxing Day bus services... in Workington (cumbria) a local volunteer group has bene running a bus service for several years using a preserved Leyland National.... in West Yorkshire there have been several Boxing Day buses, as well as in Newcastle and Manchester, and even in Hull. York's bus network is still pretty backward compared to a lot of other places.... we don't even have a bus station for Gods sake! Magicman!
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12:46am Wed 2 Jan 13

jake777 says...

Give me one good reason why bus drivers are not allowed in your eyes to have two days off with thier family at christmas, the selfish people that cant stay at home for two days, well all I can say to you is walk, years ago shops didnt open over the chritsmas period but people are so selfish and greedy these days its all me me me, well walk walk walk if you need to shop that badly.
Give me one good reason why bus drivers are not allowed in your eyes to have two days off with thier family at christmas, the selfish people that cant stay at home for two days, well all I can say to you is walk, years ago shops didnt open over the chritsmas period but people are so selfish and greedy these days its all me me me, well walk walk walk if you need to shop that badly. jake777
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12:48am Wed 2 Jan 13

jake777 says...

Funnyian wrote:
Between First York and Transdev they have York tied up and seems like no one can make a justifiable complaint against either companies could we suggest that someone looks very closely at the transport procurement process or am I hitting a raw nerve once again
another brain dead idiot who knows nothing about buses grow a pair !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Funnyian[/bold] wrote: Between First York and Transdev they have York tied up and seems like no one can make a justifiable complaint against either companies could we suggest that someone looks very closely at the transport procurement process or am I hitting a raw nerve once again[/p][/quote]another brain dead idiot who knows nothing about buses grow a pair !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jake777
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3:48am Thu 3 Jan 13

Magicman! says...

jake777 wrote:
Give me one good reason why bus drivers are not allowed in your eyes to have two days off with thier family at christmas, the selfish people that cant stay at home for two days, well all I can say to you is walk, years ago shops didnt open over the chritsmas period but people are so selfish and greedy these days its all me me me, well walk walk walk if you need to shop that badly.
Because times have moved on and other people have had this privelege removed from them. Anybody who works in a shop being one of them. M&S was open on Boxing Day for the first time this year, with a lot of their employees having to work at least 6 hours that day in addition to a similar work day on Christmas Eve. This is the same story in other cities too, and workers in such buisnesses don't have the transport to get to work as bus and train drivers try to cling on to what are now archaic traditions. What happens if you live in Strensall and have to work Boxing Day at a shop in the city centre, with your shift starting at 8am? get a taxi? Firstly, that means taxi drivers are working on Boxing Day, which reinforces my point that other people have to work then, but also in having to use a taxi on such a day you will be charged extra in addition to the fact the taxi fare from strensall would be quite high anyway - so you'd be looking at 2-3 hours of wages being spent on a taxi fare for one journey only. Would you like spending that amount of money you've worked for on a day you don't even want to work on simply because somebody else thinks they have the God-given right to not work that day?
Have you walked from Huntington to the city centre, nevermind Strensall? and what about people living in Tadcaster who had to work in York on Boxing Day? would you expect them to walk 10 miles each way just becasue you think you should not have to work? And yet you are accusing other people of being selfish because they have to go out on Boxing Day - take a good look at yourself man and reconsider your viewpoint.
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: Give me one good reason why bus drivers are not allowed in your eyes to have two days off with thier family at christmas, the selfish people that cant stay at home for two days, well all I can say to you is walk, years ago shops didnt open over the chritsmas period but people are so selfish and greedy these days its all me me me, well walk walk walk if you need to shop that badly.[/p][/quote]Because times have moved on and other people have had this privelege removed from them. Anybody who works in a shop being one of them. M&S was open on Boxing Day for the first time this year, with a lot of their employees having to work at least 6 hours that day in addition to a similar work day on Christmas Eve. This is the same story in other cities too, and workers in such buisnesses don't have the transport to get to work as bus and train drivers try to cling on to what are now archaic traditions. What happens if you live in Strensall and have to work Boxing Day at a shop in the city centre, with your shift starting at 8am? get a taxi? Firstly, that means taxi drivers are working on Boxing Day, which reinforces my point that other people have to work then, but also in having to use a taxi on such a day you will be charged extra in addition to the fact the taxi fare from strensall would be quite high anyway - so you'd be looking at 2-3 hours of wages being spent on a taxi fare for one journey only. Would you like spending that amount of money you've worked for on a day you don't even want to work on simply because somebody else thinks they have the God-given right to not work that day? Have you walked from Huntington to the city centre, nevermind Strensall? and what about people living in Tadcaster who had to work in York on Boxing Day? would you expect them to walk 10 miles each way just becasue you think you should not have to work? And yet you are accusing other people of being selfish because they have to go out on Boxing Day - take a good look at yourself man and reconsider your viewpoint. Magicman!
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3:20pm Sat 5 Jan 13

TT says...

Magicman! wrote:
jake777 wrote:
Give me one good reason why bus drivers are not allowed in your eyes to have two days off with thier family at christmas, the selfish people that cant stay at home for two days, well all I can say to you is walk, years ago shops didnt open over the chritsmas period but people are so selfish and greedy these days its all me me me, well walk walk walk if you need to shop that badly.
Because times have moved on and other people have had this privelege removed from them. Anybody who works in a shop being one of them. M&S was open on Boxing Day for the first time this year, with a lot of their employees having to work at least 6 hours that day in addition to a similar work day on Christmas Eve. This is the same story in other cities too, and workers in such buisnesses don't have the transport to get to work as bus and train drivers try to cling on to what are now archaic traditions. What happens if you live in Strensall and have to work Boxing Day at a shop in the city centre, with your shift starting at 8am? get a taxi? Firstly, that means taxi drivers are working on Boxing Day, which reinforces my point that other people have to work then, but also in having to use a taxi on such a day you will be charged extra in addition to the fact the taxi fare from strensall would be quite high anyway - so you'd be looking at 2-3 hours of wages being spent on a taxi fare for one journey only. Would you like spending that amount of money you've worked for on a day you don't even want to work on simply because somebody else thinks they have the God-given right to not work that day?
Have you walked from Huntington to the city centre, nevermind Strensall? and what about people living in Tadcaster who had to work in York on Boxing Day? would you expect them to walk 10 miles each way just becasue you think you should not have to work? And yet you are accusing other people of being selfish because they have to go out on Boxing Day - take a good look at yourself man and reconsider your viewpoint.
I know of someone in London (a nurse) who had to pay to go to work on Boxing Day. The taxi fare was more than she earned for her 12 hour shift. That is why transport workers should work over the holidays ,
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: Give me one good reason why bus drivers are not allowed in your eyes to have two days off with thier family at christmas, the selfish people that cant stay at home for two days, well all I can say to you is walk, years ago shops didnt open over the chritsmas period but people are so selfish and greedy these days its all me me me, well walk walk walk if you need to shop that badly.[/p][/quote]Because times have moved on and other people have had this privelege removed from them. Anybody who works in a shop being one of them. M&S was open on Boxing Day for the first time this year, with a lot of their employees having to work at least 6 hours that day in addition to a similar work day on Christmas Eve. This is the same story in other cities too, and workers in such buisnesses don't have the transport to get to work as bus and train drivers try to cling on to what are now archaic traditions. What happens if you live in Strensall and have to work Boxing Day at a shop in the city centre, with your shift starting at 8am? get a taxi? Firstly, that means taxi drivers are working on Boxing Day, which reinforces my point that other people have to work then, but also in having to use a taxi on such a day you will be charged extra in addition to the fact the taxi fare from strensall would be quite high anyway - so you'd be looking at 2-3 hours of wages being spent on a taxi fare for one journey only. Would you like spending that amount of money you've worked for on a day you don't even want to work on simply because somebody else thinks they have the God-given right to not work that day? Have you walked from Huntington to the city centre, nevermind Strensall? and what about people living in Tadcaster who had to work in York on Boxing Day? would you expect them to walk 10 miles each way just becasue you think you should not have to work? And yet you are accusing other people of being selfish because they have to go out on Boxing Day - take a good look at yourself man and reconsider your viewpoint.[/p][/quote]I know of someone in London (a nurse) who had to pay to go to work on Boxing Day. The taxi fare was more than she earned for her 12 hour shift. That is why transport workers should work over the holidays , TT
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3:20pm Sat 5 Jan 13

TT says...

Magicman! wrote:
jake777 wrote:
Give me one good reason why bus drivers are not allowed in your eyes to have two days off with thier family at christmas, the selfish people that cant stay at home for two days, well all I can say to you is walk, years ago shops didnt open over the chritsmas period but people are so selfish and greedy these days its all me me me, well walk walk walk if you need to shop that badly.
Because times have moved on and other people have had this privelege removed from them. Anybody who works in a shop being one of them. M&S was open on Boxing Day for the first time this year, with a lot of their employees having to work at least 6 hours that day in addition to a similar work day on Christmas Eve. This is the same story in other cities too, and workers in such buisnesses don't have the transport to get to work as bus and train drivers try to cling on to what are now archaic traditions. What happens if you live in Strensall and have to work Boxing Day at a shop in the city centre, with your shift starting at 8am? get a taxi? Firstly, that means taxi drivers are working on Boxing Day, which reinforces my point that other people have to work then, but also in having to use a taxi on such a day you will be charged extra in addition to the fact the taxi fare from strensall would be quite high anyway - so you'd be looking at 2-3 hours of wages being spent on a taxi fare for one journey only. Would you like spending that amount of money you've worked for on a day you don't even want to work on simply because somebody else thinks they have the God-given right to not work that day?
Have you walked from Huntington to the city centre, nevermind Strensall? and what about people living in Tadcaster who had to work in York on Boxing Day? would you expect them to walk 10 miles each way just becasue you think you should not have to work? And yet you are accusing other people of being selfish because they have to go out on Boxing Day - take a good look at yourself man and reconsider your viewpoint.
I know of someone in London (a nurse) who had to pay to go to work on Boxing Day. The taxi fare was more than she earned for her 12 hour shift. That is why transport workers should work over the holidays ,
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: Give me one good reason why bus drivers are not allowed in your eyes to have two days off with thier family at christmas, the selfish people that cant stay at home for two days, well all I can say to you is walk, years ago shops didnt open over the chritsmas period but people are so selfish and greedy these days its all me me me, well walk walk walk if you need to shop that badly.[/p][/quote]Because times have moved on and other people have had this privelege removed from them. Anybody who works in a shop being one of them. M&S was open on Boxing Day for the first time this year, with a lot of their employees having to work at least 6 hours that day in addition to a similar work day on Christmas Eve. This is the same story in other cities too, and workers in such buisnesses don't have the transport to get to work as bus and train drivers try to cling on to what are now archaic traditions. What happens if you live in Strensall and have to work Boxing Day at a shop in the city centre, with your shift starting at 8am? get a taxi? Firstly, that means taxi drivers are working on Boxing Day, which reinforces my point that other people have to work then, but also in having to use a taxi on such a day you will be charged extra in addition to the fact the taxi fare from strensall would be quite high anyway - so you'd be looking at 2-3 hours of wages being spent on a taxi fare for one journey only. Would you like spending that amount of money you've worked for on a day you don't even want to work on simply because somebody else thinks they have the God-given right to not work that day? Have you walked from Huntington to the city centre, nevermind Strensall? and what about people living in Tadcaster who had to work in York on Boxing Day? would you expect them to walk 10 miles each way just becasue you think you should not have to work? And yet you are accusing other people of being selfish because they have to go out on Boxing Day - take a good look at yourself man and reconsider your viewpoint.[/p][/quote]I know of someone in London (a nurse) who had to pay to go to work on Boxing Day. The taxi fare was more than she earned for her 12 hour shift. That is why transport workers should work over the holidays , TT
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3:20pm Sat 5 Jan 13

TT says...

Magicman! wrote:
jake777 wrote:
Give me one good reason why bus drivers are not allowed in your eyes to have two days off with thier family at christmas, the selfish people that cant stay at home for two days, well all I can say to you is walk, years ago shops didnt open over the chritsmas period but people are so selfish and greedy these days its all me me me, well walk walk walk if you need to shop that badly.
Because times have moved on and other people have had this privelege removed from them. Anybody who works in a shop being one of them. M&S was open on Boxing Day for the first time this year, with a lot of their employees having to work at least 6 hours that day in addition to a similar work day on Christmas Eve. This is the same story in other cities too, and workers in such buisnesses don't have the transport to get to work as bus and train drivers try to cling on to what are now archaic traditions. What happens if you live in Strensall and have to work Boxing Day at a shop in the city centre, with your shift starting at 8am? get a taxi? Firstly, that means taxi drivers are working on Boxing Day, which reinforces my point that other people have to work then, but also in having to use a taxi on such a day you will be charged extra in addition to the fact the taxi fare from strensall would be quite high anyway - so you'd be looking at 2-3 hours of wages being spent on a taxi fare for one journey only. Would you like spending that amount of money you've worked for on a day you don't even want to work on simply because somebody else thinks they have the God-given right to not work that day?
Have you walked from Huntington to the city centre, nevermind Strensall? and what about people living in Tadcaster who had to work in York on Boxing Day? would you expect them to walk 10 miles each way just becasue you think you should not have to work? And yet you are accusing other people of being selfish because they have to go out on Boxing Day - take a good look at yourself man and reconsider your viewpoint.
I know of someone in London (a nurse) who had to pay to go to work on Boxing Day. The taxi fare was more than she earned for her 12 hour shift. That is why transport workers should work over the holidays ,
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: Give me one good reason why bus drivers are not allowed in your eyes to have two days off with thier family at christmas, the selfish people that cant stay at home for two days, well all I can say to you is walk, years ago shops didnt open over the chritsmas period but people are so selfish and greedy these days its all me me me, well walk walk walk if you need to shop that badly.[/p][/quote]Because times have moved on and other people have had this privelege removed from them. Anybody who works in a shop being one of them. M&S was open on Boxing Day for the first time this year, with a lot of their employees having to work at least 6 hours that day in addition to a similar work day on Christmas Eve. This is the same story in other cities too, and workers in such buisnesses don't have the transport to get to work as bus and train drivers try to cling on to what are now archaic traditions. What happens if you live in Strensall and have to work Boxing Day at a shop in the city centre, with your shift starting at 8am? get a taxi? Firstly, that means taxi drivers are working on Boxing Day, which reinforces my point that other people have to work then, but also in having to use a taxi on such a day you will be charged extra in addition to the fact the taxi fare from strensall would be quite high anyway - so you'd be looking at 2-3 hours of wages being spent on a taxi fare for one journey only. Would you like spending that amount of money you've worked for on a day you don't even want to work on simply because somebody else thinks they have the God-given right to not work that day? Have you walked from Huntington to the city centre, nevermind Strensall? and what about people living in Tadcaster who had to work in York on Boxing Day? would you expect them to walk 10 miles each way just becasue you think you should not have to work? And yet you are accusing other people of being selfish because they have to go out on Boxing Day - take a good look at yourself man and reconsider your viewpoint.[/p][/quote]I know of someone in London (a nurse) who had to pay to go to work on Boxing Day. The taxi fare was more than she earned for her 12 hour shift. That is why transport workers should work over the holidays , TT
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1:06am Tue 8 Jan 13

jake777 says...

Magicman! wrote:
jake777 wrote:
Give me one good reason why bus drivers are not allowed in your eyes to have two days off with thier family at christmas, the selfish people that cant stay at home for two days, well all I can say to you is walk, years ago shops didnt open over the chritsmas period but people are so selfish and greedy these days its all me me me, well walk walk walk if you need to shop that badly.
Because times have moved on and other people have had this privelege removed from them. Anybody who works in a shop being one of them. M&S was open on Boxing Day for the first time this year, with a lot of their employees having to work at least 6 hours that day in addition to a similar work day on Christmas Eve. This is the same story in other cities too, and workers in such buisnesses don't have the transport to get to work as bus and train drivers try to cling on to what are now archaic traditions. What happens if you live in Strensall and have to work Boxing Day at a shop in the city centre, with your shift starting at 8am? get a taxi? Firstly, that means taxi drivers are working on Boxing Day, which reinforces my point that other people have to work then, but also in having to use a taxi on such a day you will be charged extra in addition to the fact the taxi fare from strensall would be quite high anyway - so you'd be looking at 2-3 hours of wages being spent on a taxi fare for one journey only. Would you like spending that amount of money you've worked for on a day you don't even want to work on simply because somebody else thinks they have the God-given right to not work that day?
Have you walked from Huntington to the city centre, nevermind Strensall? and what about people living in Tadcaster who had to work in York on Boxing Day? would you expect them to walk 10 miles each way just becasue you think you should not have to work? And yet you are accusing other people of being selfish because they have to go out on Boxing Day - take a good look at yourself man and reconsider your viewpoint.
no need to cos I am not a mindless or spineless selfish person that thinks all shops should be open on bank holidays, if you worked on boxing day then thats up to you if you dont have the balls to say no then dont expect others to do what you do.no body can force you to work on a bank holiday.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: Give me one good reason why bus drivers are not allowed in your eyes to have two days off with thier family at christmas, the selfish people that cant stay at home for two days, well all I can say to you is walk, years ago shops didnt open over the chritsmas period but people are so selfish and greedy these days its all me me me, well walk walk walk if you need to shop that badly.[/p][/quote]Because times have moved on and other people have had this privelege removed from them. Anybody who works in a shop being one of them. M&S was open on Boxing Day for the first time this year, with a lot of their employees having to work at least 6 hours that day in addition to a similar work day on Christmas Eve. This is the same story in other cities too, and workers in such buisnesses don't have the transport to get to work as bus and train drivers try to cling on to what are now archaic traditions. What happens if you live in Strensall and have to work Boxing Day at a shop in the city centre, with your shift starting at 8am? get a taxi? Firstly, that means taxi drivers are working on Boxing Day, which reinforces my point that other people have to work then, but also in having to use a taxi on such a day you will be charged extra in addition to the fact the taxi fare from strensall would be quite high anyway - so you'd be looking at 2-3 hours of wages being spent on a taxi fare for one journey only. Would you like spending that amount of money you've worked for on a day you don't even want to work on simply because somebody else thinks they have the God-given right to not work that day? Have you walked from Huntington to the city centre, nevermind Strensall? and what about people living in Tadcaster who had to work in York on Boxing Day? would you expect them to walk 10 miles each way just becasue you think you should not have to work? And yet you are accusing other people of being selfish because they have to go out on Boxing Day - take a good look at yourself man and reconsider your viewpoint.[/p][/quote]no need to cos I am not a mindless or spineless selfish person that thinks all shops should be open on bank holidays, if you worked on boxing day then thats up to you if you dont have the balls to say no then dont expect others to do what you do.no body can force you to work on a bank holiday. jake777
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1:09am Tue 8 Jan 13

jake777 says...

TT wrote:
Magicman! wrote:
jake777 wrote:
Give me one good reason why bus drivers are not allowed in your eyes to have two days off with thier family at christmas, the selfish people that cant stay at home for two days, well all I can say to you is walk, years ago shops didnt open over the chritsmas period but people are so selfish and greedy these days its all me me me, well walk walk walk if you need to shop that badly.
Because times have moved on and other people have had this privelege removed from them. Anybody who works in a shop being one of them. M&S was open on Boxing Day for the first time this year, with a lot of their employees having to work at least 6 hours that day in addition to a similar work day on Christmas Eve. This is the same story in other cities too, and workers in such buisnesses don't have the transport to get to work as bus and train drivers try to cling on to what are now archaic traditions. What happens if you live in Strensall and have to work Boxing Day at a shop in the city centre, with your shift starting at 8am? get a taxi? Firstly, that means taxi drivers are working on Boxing Day, which reinforces my point that other people have to work then, but also in having to use a taxi on such a day you will be charged extra in addition to the fact the taxi fare from strensall would be quite high anyway - so you'd be looking at 2-3 hours of wages being spent on a taxi fare for one journey only. Would you like spending that amount of money you've worked for on a day you don't even want to work on simply because somebody else thinks they have the God-given right to not work that day?
Have you walked from Huntington to the city centre, nevermind Strensall? and what about people living in Tadcaster who had to work in York on Boxing Day? would you expect them to walk 10 miles each way just becasue you think you should not have to work? And yet you are accusing other people of being selfish because they have to go out on Boxing Day - take a good look at yourself man and reconsider your viewpoint.
I know of someone in London (a nurse) who had to pay to go to work on Boxing Day. The taxi fare was more than she earned for her 12 hour shift. That is why transport workers should work over the holidays ,
I would love to see you go and drive a bus on boxing day. never happen .
[quote][p][bold]TT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: Give me one good reason why bus drivers are not allowed in your eyes to have two days off with thier family at christmas, the selfish people that cant stay at home for two days, well all I can say to you is walk, years ago shops didnt open over the chritsmas period but people are so selfish and greedy these days its all me me me, well walk walk walk if you need to shop that badly.[/p][/quote]Because times have moved on and other people have had this privelege removed from them. Anybody who works in a shop being one of them. M&S was open on Boxing Day for the first time this year, with a lot of their employees having to work at least 6 hours that day in addition to a similar work day on Christmas Eve. This is the same story in other cities too, and workers in such buisnesses don't have the transport to get to work as bus and train drivers try to cling on to what are now archaic traditions. What happens if you live in Strensall and have to work Boxing Day at a shop in the city centre, with your shift starting at 8am? get a taxi? Firstly, that means taxi drivers are working on Boxing Day, which reinforces my point that other people have to work then, but also in having to use a taxi on such a day you will be charged extra in addition to the fact the taxi fare from strensall would be quite high anyway - so you'd be looking at 2-3 hours of wages being spent on a taxi fare for one journey only. Would you like spending that amount of money you've worked for on a day you don't even want to work on simply because somebody else thinks they have the God-given right to not work that day? Have you walked from Huntington to the city centre, nevermind Strensall? and what about people living in Tadcaster who had to work in York on Boxing Day? would you expect them to walk 10 miles each way just becasue you think you should not have to work? And yet you are accusing other people of being selfish because they have to go out on Boxing Day - take a good look at yourself man and reconsider your viewpoint.[/p][/quote]I know of someone in London (a nurse) who had to pay to go to work on Boxing Day. The taxi fare was more than she earned for her 12 hour shift. That is why transport workers should work over the holidays ,[/p][/quote]I would love to see you go and drive a bus on boxing day. never happen . jake777
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