Social justice or selfish hypocrisy? (From York Press)
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Social justice or selfish hypocrisy?
5:41pm Friday 28th December 2012 in Letters By Reader's letter
I WOULD like to hear the views of all York Labour councillors and others who say they are Socialists on the issue of Arthur Scargill and the dispute with his former employers.
The former NUM president enjoys a comfortable retirement with a substantial Barnsley home, pension, car and generous perks.
Yet on top of this he expects the dwindling number of “comrades” in his Trade Union to have their subscriptions used to pay £33,000 annual rent for Mr Scargill to enjoy (for life) free exclusive use of a London Barbican flat in a capital city where there is an affordable housing crisis worse than in York.
Is this what social justice looks like? Or is this a disgraceful display of selfish hypocrisy?
We would all like to know.
Matthew Laverack, Lord Mayor’s Walk, York.
Comments(17)
fulfordphilosopher
says...
6:50pm Fri 28 Dec 12
Government ministers tell us "we are all in it together". Selfish hypocrisy
has no political boundaries
fulfordphilosopher
says...
6:51pm Fri 28 Dec 12
Government ministers tell us "we are all in it together". Selfish hypocrisy
has no political boundaries
Buzz Light-year
says...
9:03pm Fri 28 Dec 12
I WOULD like to hear the views of all York Labour councillors and others ... We would all like to know.
Answers on a postcard please.
Nine bottles of champagne for the best offering.
capt spaulding
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9:14pm Fri 28 Dec 12
Buzz Light-year wrote:Buzz theres only 8 cos I nicked one at a landlord bash. Sorry mate
I WOULD like to hear the views of all York Labour councillors and others ... We would all like to know.
Answers on a postcard please.
Nine bottles of champagne for the best offering.
pedalling paul
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10:38pm Fri 28 Dec 12
Silver
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1:09am Sat 29 Dec 12
capt spaulding wrote:Also you won't be able to put your opinion on anything involving the labour councillors on this site. Really wish we could have commented on the whole private decisions
Buzz Light-year wrote:Buzz theres only 8 cos I nicked one at a landlord bash. Sorry mate
I WOULD like to hear the views of all York Labour councillors and others ... We would all like to know.
Answers on a postcard please.
Nine bottles of champagne for the best offering.
http://www.yorkpress
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As it does seem the opposite of a democracy
CynicaloldGit
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8:18am Sat 29 Dec 12
Scargill wasn't even a member and even stood against Labour with his democratic labour party.
He was as much against Nu Labour as our resident right winghers on here.
There hasn't been a real Labour party since the death of John Smith. so why does the letter writer try to make political mischief from a dispute between the NUM and yon Scargill.
Now, if the letter writer wanted to ask how all the party councillors felt about the ongoing expenses issue in Westminster, then I suspect we'd get some very interesting comments on here
perplexed
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9:54am Sat 29 Dec 12
I have little or no time for our present Council but if this contrived nonsense is the best Matthew Laverack can come up with, ironically he may well end up being their best secret weapon!
capt spaulding
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10:42am Sat 29 Dec 12
Silver wrote:Democracy ? York City Council ?
capt spaulding wrote:Also you won't be able to put your opinion on anything involving the labour councillors on this site. Really wish we could have commented on the whole private decisions
Buzz Light-year wrote:Buzz theres only 8 cos I nicked one at a landlord bash. Sorry mate
I WOULD like to hear the views of all York Labour councillors and others ... We would all like to know.
Answers on a postcard please.
Nine bottles of champagne for the best offering.
http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/10128892
.Council_chiefs_defe
nd_private_decisions
/
As it does seem the opposite of a democracy
Its an alien concept.
But come the day of the ballot box !
ak7274
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1:52pm Sat 29 Dec 12
We will get the same old same old we always get with very few exceptions that marginally alter the demographics.
People vote as they always have, because they are either fiercely loyal to a party or because they are too apathetic about the political process.
Buzz Light-year
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2:07pm Sat 29 Dec 12
capt spaulding wrote:As if the pub industry doesn't have enough to cope with already without having to suffer the irony of building lobbyists going round beating up publicans with expensive booze bottles.
Buzz Light-year wrote:Buzz theres only 8 cos I nicked one at a landlord bash. Sorry mateI WOULD like to hear the views of all York Labour councillors and others ... We would all like to know.Answers on a postcard please. Nine bottles of champagne for the best offering.
Should you really be owning up to that in public captain?
capt spaulding
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2:16pm Sat 29 Dec 12
Ah well happy days.
Hmm Landlord bash ? I had a gathering of housing landlords more to mind, but hey you have stirred a memory or two, I think we alternated from the Cow to the cats whiskers. But that was probably monday night. Rialto now , how sad.
capt spaulding
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2:17pm Sat 29 Dec 12
ak7274 wrote:Sadly I think your right.
Come the day of the ballot box? HO HO HO.
We will get the same old same old we always get with very few exceptions that marginally alter the demographics.
People vote as they always have, because they are either fiercely loyal to a party or because they are too apathetic about the political process.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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12:50pm Sun 30 Dec 12
CynicaloldGit wrote:All peas in a pod, despite you pleading otherwise.
But what has it got to do with the Labour Party? Scargill wasn't even a member and even stood against Labour with his democratic labour party. He was as much against Nu Labour as our resident right winghers on here. There hasn't been a real Labour party since the death of John Smith. so why does the letter writer try to make political mischief from a dispute between the NUM and yon Scargill. Now, if the letter writer wanted to ask how all the party councillors felt about the ongoing expenses issue in Westminster, then I suspect we'd get some very interesting comments on here
Silver
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10:47pm Sun 30 Dec 12
capt spaulding wrote:duci novo, similis duci seneci
ak7274 wrote:Sadly I think your right.
Come the day of the ballot box? HO HO HO.
We will get the same old same old we always get with very few exceptions that marginally alter the demographics.
People vote as they always have, because they are either fiercely loyal to a party or because they are too apathetic about the political process.
CynicaloldGit
says...
4:52pm Mon 31 Dec 12
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:I'm not pleading anything, I detest ALL politicians, I've yet to find one who can even lie straight in be.
CynicaloldGit wrote:All peas in a pod, despite you pleading otherwise.
But what has it got to do with the Labour Party? Scargill wasn't even a member and even stood against Labour with his democratic labour party. He was as much against Nu Labour as our resident right winghers on here. There hasn't been a real Labour party since the death of John Smith. so why does the letter writer try to make political mischief from a dispute between the NUM and yon Scargill. Now, if the letter writer wanted to ask how all the party councillors felt about the ongoing expenses issue in Westminster, then I suspect we'd get some very interesting comments on here
However, I also hate people who seek to use any and every oppotuninty to divide and conquer.
As I've stated on many occasions here and elsewhere, why do people think Labout was socialist.
The reason therewas a hung parliament was because no one could tell the difference.
Scargill was thrown out of the Labour party, as was another man I despise, G Galloway..........bu
t they were thrown out because they had the temerity to say what I have just said...Labout was not socialist, had nothing to do with Scargill, so why try to imply that they did. Scargill deserved to loose his fight with his Union, but that had nothing to do with Labour or the supreme soviet or the Chinese communist party, it was a union matter and that is fact.
yorkshirelad says...
6:35pm Fri 28 Dec 12
Wasn't this a technical legal dispute about contract?
Isn't it up to the NUM to decide the contract terms of it's leader (and then up to lawyers to thrash it out if these are disputed) ?
A rather weak attempt to link this rather techie story to local party politics.