Less pollution is spurious reason for 20mph zones

Less pollution is spurious reason for 20mph zones

Less pollution is spurious reason for 20mph zones

First published in Letters by

COUNCILLOR Anna Semlyen states (Letters, December 6) that 20mph limits are safer, quieter and less polluting.

Less polluting? Nonsense. Any modern car needs to be in third gear to achieve 20mph.

This will mean the engine using far more fuel than doing 30mph in top gear.

Inescapable fact – so how is this less polluting?

I do not dispute 20mph limits are safer. I’m not opposed to them and would support them.

However, it is time the protagonists stopped using spurious arguments.

Personally, I think before we go to 20mph it’s time we had more police presence and speed cameras to enforce the 30mph limits. There’s some more wishful thinking.

C Brian Ledger, Horseman Close, Copmanthorpe, York.

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12:20pm Wed 12 Dec 12

ColdAsChristmas says...

Absolutely right, this will generally just mean a higher revving engine. Why not better enforce the limits already in place?
The biggest argument however has to be the cost of these measures. I hope Cllr Semlyen will be footing the bill and not expect the public purse to pay up for her silly ideas.
Absolutely right, this will generally just mean a higher revving engine. Why not better enforce the limits already in place? The biggest argument however has to be the cost of these measures. I hope Cllr Semlyen will be footing the bill and not expect the public purse to pay up for her silly ideas. ColdAsChristmas
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2:21pm Wed 12 Dec 12

PKH says...

NYP shave said they will not police the 20 limit, therefore does this means drivers will be able to exceed 30 mph with impunity, if so this will make 20 zones even less safe.
NYP shave said they will not police the 20 limit, therefore does this means drivers will be able to exceed 30 mph with impunity, if so this will make 20 zones even less safe. PKH
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4:01pm Wed 12 Dec 12

ColdAsChristmas says...

PKH, there is no fixed penalty for 20mph, therefore one would have to exceed 30mph to receive a ticket, unless there were an army of police out there taking evidence to present to court. Somehow I don't think so. Another big waste of public money.
PKH, there is no fixed penalty for 20mph, therefore one would have to exceed 30mph to receive a ticket, unless there were an army of police out there taking evidence to present to court. Somehow I don't think so. Another big waste of public money. ColdAsChristmas
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5:05pm Wed 12 Dec 12

yorkshirelad says...

If you are in the right gear for your speed, the revs can be kept similar can't they?

I suspect the scheme is designed as an 'I will if you will' scheme to encourage us all the stick to lower speeds in residential side streets. Safer for vulnerable road users, pedestrians and children playing...quieter and generally more pleasant for people living in those streets.

Just because you might be able to get away with it doesn't make breaking the law a good thing to do. Otherwise it's the same mentality as the thug spraying a bus shelter with graffitti.

Most of the more sociable people in the community will go along with this...even some who realise that not personally agreeing with a law isn't an excuse to break it. The rest will take their chances and may get their comeuppance in an accident investigation.

Not good, but there are always people who feel the law doesn't apply to them.

Despite all the huff and puff most of us realise that we haven't been driving above 20mph in residential side streets anyway.

Get used to it...it's happening across the UK and really there are bigger things to get all worked up about.
If you are in the right gear for your speed, the revs can be kept similar can't they? I suspect the scheme is designed as an 'I will if you will' scheme to encourage us all the stick to lower speeds in residential side streets. Safer for vulnerable road users, pedestrians and children playing...quieter and generally more pleasant for people living in those streets. Just because you might be able to get away with it doesn't make breaking the law a good thing to do. Otherwise it's the same mentality as the thug spraying a bus shelter with graffitti. Most of the more sociable people in the community will go along with this...even some who realise that not personally agreeing with a law isn't an excuse to break it. The rest will take their chances and may get their comeuppance in an accident investigation. Not good, but there are always people who feel the law doesn't apply to them. Despite all the huff and puff most of us realise that we haven't been driving above 20mph in residential side streets anyway. Get used to it...it's happening across the UK and really there are bigger things to get all worked up about. yorkshirelad
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10:53pm Wed 12 Dec 12

bolero says...

And there are better and more important things to spend OUR money on. Drop it once and for all.
And there are better and more important things to spend OUR money on. Drop it once and for all. bolero
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12:26am Thu 13 Dec 12

Viper_7 says...

I'd agree.
Sure vehicles vary, but at low speeds generally we are looking at low gears thus, heavy engine breaking (more fuel used to maintain speed).
Looking at, higher revs (more fuel used and more noise)
Also looking at greater wear and tear, which adds increased emissions in the long run with regard to maintenance/longevit
y.
I know in my own vehicle at 20, I'm either over revving in 2nd, and labouring the engine in 3rd. Resulting in circa 25mpg. At 30mph it's around 30mpg. 50mph seeing around 55mpg.

It may just be me, but in built up areas, generally I see passing through traffic respecting the limits and instead see locals pulling out, and blasting through their locality as if it's ok as they live there.

Sure - totally agree with the safety aspect, but please please stop trying to supplement your argument with lower emissions and reduced noise, in the real world it's not the case.
I'd agree. Sure vehicles vary, but at low speeds generally we are looking at low gears thus, heavy engine breaking (more fuel used to maintain speed). Looking at, higher revs (more fuel used and more noise) Also looking at greater wear and tear, which adds increased emissions in the long run with regard to maintenance/longevit y. I know in my own vehicle at 20, I'm either over revving in 2nd, and labouring the engine in 3rd. Resulting in circa 25mpg. At 30mph it's around 30mpg. 50mph seeing around 55mpg. It may just be me, but in built up areas, generally I see passing through traffic respecting the limits and instead see locals pulling out, and blasting through their locality as if it's ok as they live there. Sure - totally agree with the safety aspect, but please please stop trying to supplement your argument with lower emissions and reduced noise, in the real world it's not the case. Viper_7
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12:27am Thu 13 Dec 12

anistasia says...

If it's taking you longer to get somewhere your using more fuel it's like been stuck in a traffic jam with your engine running.I am all in favour of lowering deaths on the roads.if the 20mph goes through hope motorists can claim for damage cars.20mph outside schools and play parks good idea most of the groves is 20mph the side streets but no not Huntington road , Haxby road and the one past the hospital 30 is low enough except near the parks.
If it's taking you longer to get somewhere your using more fuel it's like been stuck in a traffic jam with your engine running.I am all in favour of lowering deaths on the roads.if the 20mph goes through hope motorists can claim for damage cars.20mph outside schools and play parks good idea most of the groves is 20mph the side streets but no not Huntington road , Haxby road and the one past the hospital 30 is low enough except near the parks. anistasia
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1:27am Thu 13 Dec 12

strangebuttrue? says...

yorkshirelad says...
"Despite all the huff and puff most of us realise that we haven't been driving above 20mph in residential side streets anyway."

So why are you huffing and puffing and getting all worked up along with all the other minority campaigners to waste all this money which could be spent on say - care for the elderly when we are all doing below 20mph anyway.
yorkshirelad says... "Despite all the huff and puff most of us realise that we haven't been driving above 20mph in residential side streets anyway." So why are you huffing and puffing and getting all worked up along with all the other minority campaigners to waste all this money which could be spent on say - care for the elderly when we are all doing below 20mph anyway. strangebuttrue?
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8:33pm Thu 13 Dec 12

PKH says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
If you are in the right gear for your speed, the revs can be kept similar can't they?

I suspect the scheme is designed as an 'I will if you will' scheme to encourage us all the stick to lower speeds in residential side streets. Safer for vulnerable road users, pedestrians and children playing...quieter and generally more pleasant for people living in those streets.

Just because you might be able to get away with it doesn't make breaking the law a good thing to do. Otherwise it's the same mentality as the thug spraying a bus shelter with graffitti.

Most of the more sociable people in the community will go along with this...even some who realise that not personally agreeing with a law isn't an excuse to break it. The rest will take their chances and may get their comeuppance in an accident investigation.

Not good, but there are always people who feel the law doesn't apply to them.

Despite all the huff and puff most of us realise that we haven't been driving above 20mph in residential side streets anyway.

Get used to it...it's happening across the UK and really there are bigger things to get all worked up about.
Bishopthorpe Road is NOT a side street, yet it is now a 20 mph area, but the road is that wide that if you drive at 20 it seems more like 5-10mph !!!
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: If you are in the right gear for your speed, the revs can be kept similar can't they? I suspect the scheme is designed as an 'I will if you will' scheme to encourage us all the stick to lower speeds in residential side streets. Safer for vulnerable road users, pedestrians and children playing...quieter and generally more pleasant for people living in those streets. Just because you might be able to get away with it doesn't make breaking the law a good thing to do. Otherwise it's the same mentality as the thug spraying a bus shelter with graffitti. Most of the more sociable people in the community will go along with this...even some who realise that not personally agreeing with a law isn't an excuse to break it. The rest will take their chances and may get their comeuppance in an accident investigation. Not good, but there are always people who feel the law doesn't apply to them. Despite all the huff and puff most of us realise that we haven't been driving above 20mph in residential side streets anyway. Get used to it...it's happening across the UK and really there are bigger things to get all worked up about.[/p][/quote]Bishopthorpe Road is NOT a side street, yet it is now a 20 mph area, but the road is that wide that if you drive at 20 it seems more like 5-10mph !!! PKH
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11:20pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Viper_7 says...

anistasia wrote:
If it's taking you longer to get somewhere your using more fuel it's like been stuck in a traffic jam with your engine running.I am all in favour of lowering deaths on the roads.if the 20mph goes through hope motorists can claim for damage cars.20mph outside schools and play parks good idea most of the groves is 20mph the side streets but no not Huntington road , Haxby road and the one past the hospital 30 is low enough except near the parks.
Officer, I had to drive at 150mph to get home quickly before I ran out of fuel.
[quote][p][bold]anistasia[/bold] wrote: If it's taking you longer to get somewhere your using more fuel it's like been stuck in a traffic jam with your engine running.I am all in favour of lowering deaths on the roads.if the 20mph goes through hope motorists can claim for damage cars.20mph outside schools and play parks good idea most of the groves is 20mph the side streets but no not Huntington road , Haxby road and the one past the hospital 30 is low enough except near the parks.[/p][/quote]Officer, I had to drive at 150mph to get home quickly before I ran out of fuel. Viper_7
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