What’s the reason?

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WHY is our council, in its infinite wisdom, putting a bus lane from Plantation Drive to Princess Drive?

I only trust they will limit, as other towns do, the times for the buses, for example 7.30am to 10.30am and 4.30pm to 6.30pm.

Could they please explain the reason for this sudden imposition?

Keith N Gray, Boroughbridge Road, York.

 

• R WALTON of the Boroughbridge Road area queried (Letters, November 13) the wisdom of creating 500-metre long inbound bus lanes along the A59 corridor.

These are part of the priority measures for services from the planned Poppleton Bar Park&Ride service.

Your correspondent may not appreciate that these bus lanes will also act as bus ‘‘gates’’ and operate in a similar manner tothose on the Hull Road from Grimston Bar.

When a bus enters the lane, its specially-fitted transponder will begin to halt vehicles in the adjoining lane by turning new traffic lights to red alongside the bus lane’s exit.

Then, parallel bus-only traffic lights will change to green at the bus lane exit, allowing the bus to jump the queue of cars etc.

A series of these queue relocation gates will ensure that the bus journey time becomes competitive with that of the car.

It will encourage drivers approaching the city to use the P&R service. Citywide these already remove more than seven million car journeys a year from the city centre, creating better travel conditions for those living more locally.

Paul Hepworth, Windmill Rise, Holgate, York.

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11:53am Thu 15 Nov 12

sheps lad says...

Won't bother you Paul as you'll be on your bike!
Won't bother you Paul as you'll be on your bike! sheps lad
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12:12pm Thu 15 Nov 12

pedalling paul says...

...& I'll be pedalling along behind him, hopefully sailing past fewer cars as more drivers take the P&R option.
...& I'll be pedalling along behind him, hopefully sailing past fewer cars as more drivers take the P&R option. pedalling paul
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12:13pm Thu 15 Nov 12

sheps lad says...

Have you got a tandem?
Have you got a tandem? sheps lad
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12:18pm Thu 15 Nov 12

Mr Udigawa says...

sheps lad wrote:
Have you got a tandem?
If he's sailing it's probably a a pedalo.
[quote][p][bold]sheps lad[/bold] wrote: Have you got a tandem?[/p][/quote]If he's sailing it's probably a a pedalo. Mr Udigawa
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12:33pm Thu 15 Nov 12

ZachCohen says...

All the busses along hull road don't use the bus lane as it is too slow! Agree that it should be time specific otherwise it would be another waste of money from our council.
All the busses along hull road don't use the bus lane as it is too slow! Agree that it should be time specific otherwise it would be another waste of money from our council. ZachCohen
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1:31pm Thu 15 Nov 12

roclank2000 says...

Without cameras to monitor York bus lanes, they are able to be freely used by all motorists and I'd like to invite all to join me in using them (as I do each day).

Some rules are made to be broken.
Without cameras to monitor York bus lanes, they are able to be freely used by all motorists and I'd like to invite all to join me in using them (as I do each day). Some rules are made to be broken. roclank2000
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1:32pm Thu 15 Nov 12

TobyBarrett says...

@Zach
I've seen a few people say this, but whenever I've been on Hull Road at busy times the buses have all been using the bus lane and sailing past queues of stationary traffic. Or are you referring to the short section opposite B&Q?
@Zach I've seen a few people say this, but whenever I've been on Hull Road at busy times the buses have all been using the bus lane and sailing past queues of stationary traffic. Or are you referring to the short section opposite B&Q? TobyBarrett
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11:46pm Thu 15 Nov 12

roadwars says...

"creating better travel conditions for those living more locally." really?

P&R is useless for those living within a 2 mile radius of the city centre, it disrupts traffic flow creating the queues that it is then able to cut in front of (along with the local busses that then stop and block the road creating further queues)...

Let's hope they don't let taxis use the lanes as thier personal undertaking lane with no speed limit (as they have with certain other inbound routes).

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for cycling and walking into town, but not every journey is into town (and not everybody can cycle or walk), in fact most of my journeys are the other way meaning that I have to drive these routes on my return.
"creating better travel conditions for those living more locally." really? P&R is useless for those living within a 2 mile radius of the city centre, it disrupts traffic flow creating the queues that it is then able to cut in front of (along with the local busses that then stop and block the road creating further queues)... Let's hope they don't let taxis use the lanes as thier personal undertaking lane with no speed limit (as they have with certain other inbound routes). Don't get me wrong, I'm all for cycling and walking into town, but not every journey is into town (and not everybody can cycle or walk), in fact most of my journeys are the other way meaning that I have to drive these routes on my return. roadwars
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1:52am Fri 16 Nov 12

strangebuttrue? says...

Amazing isn’t it that PP gets his usual column to put the minority point across in glowing terms in the bias press. If you write it in the terms which it actually is, as roadwars has, you won’t get a look in. I know I have tried before. Imagine if it had been written as it is - The bus lane is there to create queues along the whole of Boroughbridge road so that when the bus comes along and jumps the queue which has been deliberately created, it gives the impression that it is faster to travel by bus encouraging people to use this horrendous and time consuming form of transport. You will also note that this bus lane will narrow the road so that any traffic turning right at any of the junctions will hold up the whole road this is another cunning queue forming tactic to make you get out of your car and catch the bus. To make the bus journey time competitive with the car cars will be slowed down all along Boroughbridge Road and eventually Poppelton Road as well. So let’s face it folks you are going to be forced out of your cars or you are going to sit in traffic all day the choice is yours as no one cares that the economy will suffer your health will suffer along with the people living along these polluted routes. So get up an hour earlier, get out walk round on the un-gritted slippery pavements or in the pouring rain and wind stand at a bus stop for 20 mins hoping something suitable turns up get on the bus have the pleasure of someone else’s Ipod squeaking away in your ear for 20 mins or perhaps a group of not so quite European students may be your pleasure if you time it well, whilst you stop start your way to some place you don’t want to be, having been fleeced of half an hours pay for the privilege, then out again to face the elements to get to where you are going wringing wet through hair all over or if it’s icy perhaps with a broken wrist or ankle and then you can look forward to the return journey and don’t even think about stopping off on the way back to support your local shops as this will add a second wait into the equation or a longer walk in the rain. So let’s see that in the press NO CHANCE.
Amazing isn’t it that PP gets his usual column to put the minority point across in glowing terms in the bias press. If you write it in the terms which it actually is, as roadwars has, you won’t get a look in. I know I have tried before. Imagine if it had been written as it is - The bus lane is there to create queues along the whole of Boroughbridge road so that when the bus comes along and jumps the queue which has been deliberately created, it gives the impression that it is faster to travel by bus encouraging people to use this horrendous and time consuming form of transport. You will also note that this bus lane will narrow the road so that any traffic turning right at any of the junctions will hold up the whole road this is another cunning queue forming tactic to make you get out of your car and catch the bus. To make the bus journey time competitive with the car cars will be slowed down all along Boroughbridge Road and eventually Poppelton Road as well. So let’s face it folks you are going to be forced out of your cars or you are going to sit in traffic all day the choice is yours as no one cares that the economy will suffer your health will suffer along with the people living along these polluted routes. So get up an hour earlier, get out walk round on the un-gritted slippery pavements or in the pouring rain and wind stand at a bus stop for 20 mins hoping something suitable turns up get on the bus have the pleasure of someone else’s Ipod squeaking away in your ear for 20 mins or perhaps a group of not so quite European students may be your pleasure if you time it well, whilst you stop start your way to some place you don’t want to be, having been fleeced of half an hours pay for the privilege, then out again to face the elements to get to where you are going wringing wet through hair all over or if it’s icy perhaps with a broken wrist or ankle and then you can look forward to the return journey and don’t even think about stopping off on the way back to support your local shops as this will add a second wait into the equation or a longer walk in the rain. So let’s see that in the press NO CHANCE. strangebuttrue?
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7:41am Fri 16 Nov 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Amazing isn’t it that PP gets his usual column to put the minority point across in glowing terms in the bias press. If you write it in the terms which it actually is

Um, the two letters represent both sides.

If you feel so strongly, write in yourself and tell your truth.
If they don't publish you then maybe you have a point re: bias.
[quote]Amazing isn’t it that PP gets his usual column to put the minority point across in glowing terms in the bias press. If you write it in the terms which it actually is[/quote] Um, the two letters represent both sides. If you feel so strongly, write in yourself and tell your truth. If they don't publish you then maybe you have a point re: bias. Buzz Light-year
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9:10am Fri 16 Nov 12

pedalling paul says...

roclank2000 wrote:
Without cameras to monitor York bus lanes, they are able to be freely used by all motorists and I'd like to invite all to join me in using them (as I do each day).

Some rules are made to be broken.
I note that the Coppergate rising bollard is planned to be replaced by ANPR cameras, so the technology does exist to create automatic fines for misuse.

Pointless for car etc. drivers to misuse the planned A59 bus lanes, as only buses (& taxis?) have the on-board technology that triggers their bus "gate" traffic lights to green at the bus lane's exit.
[quote][p][bold]roclank2000[/bold] wrote: Without cameras to monitor York bus lanes, they are able to be freely used by all motorists and I'd like to invite all to join me in using them (as I do each day). Some rules are made to be broken.[/p][/quote]I note that the Coppergate rising bollard is planned to be replaced by ANPR cameras, so the technology does exist to create automatic fines for misuse. Pointless for car etc. drivers to misuse the planned A59 bus lanes, as only buses (& taxis?) have the on-board technology that triggers their bus "gate" traffic lights to green at the bus lane's exit. pedalling paul
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12:37pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Sillybillies says...

If you feel so strongly, write in yourself and tell your truth.
If they don't publish you then maybe you have a point re: bias.

It appears that he has -
strangebuttrue? says...
1:52am Fri 16 Nov 12
Amazing isn’t it that PP gets his usual column to put the minority point across in glowing terms in the bias press. If you write it in the terms which it actually is, as roadwars has, you won’t get a look in. I know I have tried before. ............
[quote]If you feel so strongly, write in yourself and tell your truth. If they don't publish you then maybe you have a point re: bias.[/quote] It appears that he has - [quote]strangebuttrue? says... 1:52am Fri 16 Nov 12 Amazing isn’t it that PP gets his usual column to put the minority point across in glowing terms in the bias press. If you write it in the terms which it actually is, as roadwars has, you won’t get a look in. I know I have tried before. ............[/quote] Sillybillies
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12:38pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Sillybillies says...

If you feel so strongly, write in yourself and tell your truth.
If they don't publish you then maybe you have a point re: bias.

It appears that he has -
strangebuttrue? says...
1:52am Fri 16 Nov 12
Amazing isn’t it that PP gets his usual column to put the minority point across in glowing terms in the bias press. If you write it in the terms which it actually is, as roadwars has, you won’t get a look in. I know I have tried before. ............
[quote]If you feel so strongly, write in yourself and tell your truth. If they don't publish you then maybe you have a point re: bias.[/quote] It appears that he has - [quote]strangebuttrue? says... 1:52am Fri 16 Nov 12 Amazing isn’t it that PP gets his usual column to put the minority point across in glowing terms in the bias press. If you write it in the terms which it actually is, as roadwars has, you won’t get a look in. I know I have tried before. ............[/quote] Sillybillies
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1:49pm Fri 16 Nov 12

HOWSHAM says...

Nice to be able to give a little praise to the Council and its bus lane implimentation, well at least when it doesn't effect you.I note Mr H lives in Windmill Rise a dead end that has now bus lanes and in fact not a lot of traffic.
I come out of Plantation Drive every day on to B'bridge Road and it is bad enough to get out even before the bus lanes are put in place.
Park and Ride doesn't work for the majority of road users and the bus lanes will just make traffic flow worse.
Yet another huge waste of money.
Nice to be able to give a little praise to the Council and its bus lane implimentation, well at least when it doesn't effect you.I note Mr H lives in Windmill Rise a dead end that has now bus lanes and in fact not a lot of traffic. I come out of Plantation Drive every day on to B'bridge Road and it is bad enough to get out even before the bus lanes are put in place. Park and Ride doesn't work for the majority of road users and the bus lanes will just make traffic flow worse. Yet another huge waste of money. HOWSHAM
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7:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12

strangebuttrue? says...

Sillybillies wrote:
If you feel so strongly, write in yourself and tell your truth.
If they don't publish you then maybe you have a point re: bias.

It appears that he has -
strangebuttrue? says...
1:52am Fri 16 Nov 12
Amazing isn’t it that PP gets his usual column to put the minority point across in glowing terms in the bias press. If you write it in the terms which it actually is, as roadwars has, you won’t get a look in. I know I have tried before. ............
You think 5 lines verses PPs half column is balance then? And I have written in several times.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]If you feel so strongly, write in yourself and tell your truth. If they don't publish you then maybe you have a point re: bias.[/quote] It appears that he has - [quote]strangebuttrue? says... 1:52am Fri 16 Nov 12 Amazing isn’t it that PP gets his usual column to put the minority point across in glowing terms in the bias press. If you write it in the terms which it actually is, as roadwars has, you won’t get a look in. I know I have tried before. ............[/quote][/p][/quote]You think 5 lines verses PPs half column is balance then? And I have written in several times. strangebuttrue?
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12:55pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Sillybillies says...

You think 5 lines verses PPs half column is balance then? And I have written in several times.

Read it through again, I'm actually backing you! I agree there is no balance, the Press might as well give Hepworth a weekly column.
[quote]You think 5 lines verses PPs half column is balance then? And I have written in several times.[/quote] Read it through again, I'm actually backing you! I agree there is no balance, the Press might as well give Hepworth a weekly column. Sillybillies
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1:12pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Stevie D says...

The big advantage for anyone living in the west of York who uses the A59 is that the P&R will reduce congestion by replacing hundreds of cars with a handful of buses. You may not get to use those buses yourself, but you will benefit from much less traffic on the roads!
The big advantage for anyone living in the west of York who uses the A59 is that the P&R will reduce congestion by replacing hundreds of cars with a handful of buses. You may not get to use those buses yourself, but you will benefit from much less traffic on the roads! Stevie D
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8:41pm Sat 17 Nov 12

strangebuttrue? says...

Sillybillies wrote:
You think 5 lines verses PPs half column is balance then? And I have written in several times.

Read it through again, I'm actually backing you! I agree there is no balance, the Press might as well give Hepworth a weekly column.
Apologies Sillybillies I picked up the wrong item to quote I was of course referring to the comment made by Buzz Light-year and had noted that you were correcting him by pointing out that I had already stated in my original post that I had written in to the press and not been published because I say it as I see it.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]You think 5 lines verses PPs half column is balance then? And I have written in several times.[/quote] Read it through again, I'm actually backing you! I agree there is no balance, the Press might as well give Hepworth a weekly column.[/p][/quote]Apologies Sillybillies I picked up the wrong item to quote I was of course referring to the comment made by Buzz Light-year and had noted that you were correcting him by pointing out that I had already stated in my original post that I had written in to the press and not been published because I say it as I see it. strangebuttrue?
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9:58pm Sat 17 Nov 12

Buzz Light-year says...

strangebuttrue? wrote:
Sillybillies wrote:
You think 5 lines verses PPs half column is balance then? And I have written in several times.
Read it through again, I'm actually backing you! I agree there is no balance, the Press might as well give Hepworth a weekly column.
Apologies Sillybillies I picked up the wrong item to quote I was of course referring to the comment made by Buzz Light-year and had noted that you were correcting him by pointing out that I had already stated in my original post that I had written in to the press and not been published because I say it as I see it.
Aye say it as you see it. Perhaps it's your style rather than your content which stops you being published.
[quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]You think 5 lines verses PPs half column is balance then? And I have written in several times.[/quote] Read it through again, I'm actually backing you! I agree there is no balance, the Press might as well give Hepworth a weekly column.[/p][/quote]Apologies Sillybillies I picked up the wrong item to quote I was of course referring to the comment made by Buzz Light-year and had noted that you were correcting him by pointing out that I had already stated in my original post that I had written in to the press and not been published because I say it as I see it.[/p][/quote]Aye say it as you see it. Perhaps it's your style rather than your content which stops you being published. Buzz Light-year
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4:20am Tue 20 Nov 12

Magicman! says...

bus lanes with traffic-light controlled exits are too slow, this is why both Hull Road and Malton Road regularly have buses going along in the normal traffic lane (in addition to the Malton Road one having sunk near Elmfield Ave where the buses have to wait because the lights don't begin their change sequence until the bus has got to the stop line and put the handbrake on).... unless there is a junction that a mini-roundabout isn't suitable for, bus lanes should be freeflow with a give way line and signage over the normal traffic lane so cars have to give way to buses emerging from the bus lane without the need to communistical dominating traffic lights dictating when everybody should stop.
bus lanes with traffic-light controlled exits are too slow, this is why both Hull Road and Malton Road regularly have buses going along in the normal traffic lane (in addition to the Malton Road one having sunk near Elmfield Ave where the buses have to wait because the lights don't begin their change sequence until the bus has got to the stop line and put the handbrake on).... unless there is a junction that a mini-roundabout isn't suitable for, bus lanes should be freeflow with a give way line and signage over the normal traffic lane so cars have to give way to buses emerging from the bus lane without the need to communistical dominating traffic lights dictating when everybody should stop. Magicman!
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4:23am Tue 20 Nov 12

Magicman! says...

pedalling paul wrote:
roclank2000 wrote:
Without cameras to monitor York bus lanes, they are able to be freely used by all motorists and I'd like to invite all to join me in using them (as I do each day).

Some rules are made to be broken.
I note that the Coppergate rising bollard is planned to be replaced by ANPR cameras, so the technology does exist to create automatic fines for misuse.

Pointless for car etc. drivers to misuse the planned A59 bus lanes, as only buses (& taxis?) have the on-board technology that triggers their bus "gate" traffic lights to green at the bus lane's exit.
Not the case on Malton Road or Tadcaster Road, as these lights are controlled by the loop sensors buried in the road surface.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roclank2000[/bold] wrote: Without cameras to monitor York bus lanes, they are able to be freely used by all motorists and I'd like to invite all to join me in using them (as I do each day). Some rules are made to be broken.[/p][/quote]I note that the Coppergate rising bollard is planned to be replaced by ANPR cameras, so the technology does exist to create automatic fines for misuse. Pointless for car etc. drivers to misuse the planned A59 bus lanes, as only buses (& taxis?) have the on-board technology that triggers their bus "gate" traffic lights to green at the bus lane's exit.[/p][/quote]Not the case on Malton Road or Tadcaster Road, as these lights are controlled by the loop sensors buried in the road surface. Magicman!
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12:37pm Wed 21 Nov 12

barry rennison says...

roadwars wrote:
"creating better travel conditions for those living more locally." really? P&R is useless for those living within a 2 mile radius of the city centre, it disrupts traffic flow creating the queues that it is then able to cut in front of (along with the local busses that then stop and block the road creating further queues)... Let's hope they don't let taxis use the lanes as thier personal undertaking lane with no speed limit (as they have with certain other inbound routes). Don't get me wrong, I'm all for cycling and walking into town, but not every journey is into town (and not everybody can cycle or walk), in fact most of my journeys are the other way meaning that I have to drive these routes on my return.
I still think the answer is the train we have an excellent train system into York which only needs people with foresite and the political will to build park and rides alongside to allow trains to bring tourists and workers into York without adding to the problem of heavy traffic by using hundreds of park and ride bus journeys every day. The Poppleton one is a prime example already having an underused station.
[quote][p][bold]roadwars[/bold] wrote: "creating better travel conditions for those living more locally." really? P&R is useless for those living within a 2 mile radius of the city centre, it disrupts traffic flow creating the queues that it is then able to cut in front of (along with the local busses that then stop and block the road creating further queues)... Let's hope they don't let taxis use the lanes as thier personal undertaking lane with no speed limit (as they have with certain other inbound routes). Don't get me wrong, I'm all for cycling and walking into town, but not every journey is into town (and not everybody can cycle or walk), in fact most of my journeys are the other way meaning that I have to drive these routes on my return.[/p][/quote]I still think the answer is the train we have an excellent train system into York which only needs people with foresite and the political will to build park and rides alongside to allow trains to bring tourists and workers into York without adding to the problem of heavy traffic by using hundreds of park and ride bus journeys every day. The Poppleton one is a prime example already having an underused station. barry rennison
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1:15pm Wed 21 Nov 12

barry rennison says...

Magicman! wrote:
bus lanes with traffic-light controlled exits are too slow, this is why both Hull Road and Malton Road regularly have buses going along in the normal traffic lane (in addition to the Malton Road one having sunk near Elmfield Ave where the buses have to wait because the lights don't begin their change sequence until the bus has got to the stop line and put the handbrake on).... unless there is a junction that a mini-roundabout isn't suitable for, bus lanes should be freeflow with a give way line and signage over the normal traffic lane so cars have to give way to buses emerging from the bus lane without the need to communistical dominating traffic lights dictating when everybody should stop.
If you think park and ride buses will cause problems at Plantation Drive just wait untill they arrive at the newly altered traffic lights at Blossom street where they are to blend in ( I use the term loosely)with the Askham Bar park and ride buses>
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: bus lanes with traffic-light controlled exits are too slow, this is why both Hull Road and Malton Road regularly have buses going along in the normal traffic lane (in addition to the Malton Road one having sunk near Elmfield Ave where the buses have to wait because the lights don't begin their change sequence until the bus has got to the stop line and put the handbrake on).... unless there is a junction that a mini-roundabout isn't suitable for, bus lanes should be freeflow with a give way line and signage over the normal traffic lane so cars have to give way to buses emerging from the bus lane without the need to communistical dominating traffic lights dictating when everybody should stop.[/p][/quote]If you think park and ride buses will cause problems at Plantation Drive just wait untill they arrive at the newly altered traffic lights at Blossom street where they are to blend in ( I use the term loosely)with the Askham Bar park and ride buses> barry rennison
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