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LIKE the majority of people, I would suspect, I feel the election of a police commissioner has been badly handled, unnecessary and is a general waste of time. Only the wealthy or those with financial backers could stand in this election. It is decidedly undemocratic.

That said, the election is taking place whether we like it or not, and as a councillor I take crime and antisocial behaviour very seriously. North Yorkshire has one of the lowest crime rates in the country – we live in a safe place – but 40 per cent of that crime is visited on the city of York. That’s why I shall be voting in this election, because I would rather see someone local to York elected who knows about crime problems in York rather than someone from the back of beyond.

Ruth Potter is a councillor in York. She’s not a member of my party, and is not someone I agree with about everything. However, she is knowledgeable as a member of the North Yorkshire Police Authority and I believe she will support local policing and local organisations like the Safer York Partnership. Vote for Ruth Potter for Police Commissioner on Thursday.

Dave Taylor, Green Party councillor for Fishergate, New Walk Terrace, York.

• I HAVE been following the issues of elected police commissioners closely and feel strongly against the election of a commissioner who is a member of a political party. I won’t be voting for either the Conservative or Labour candidate, but I will be letting them know my opinion.

I’ll ‘spoil’ my ballot paper. I’ll write on it that I strongly disapprove of a party-political commissioner and think this whole process has been a huge waste of money which could have been put into frontline policing or other under-funded services.

Not attending the voting station won’t register... it will just be called a low turnout. However, if large numbers of ballots have a message saying why a vote hasn’t been cast, that will be recorded, and that will send a clear message to whomsoever thought of this badly thought-out scheme. We may not be in time to stop this nonsense, but we can voice our opinions.

John Cossham, Hull Road, York.

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1:00pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Sillybillies says...

However, she is knowledgeable as a member of the North Yorkshire Police Authority

Which allowed a disgraced and discredited Chief Constable to remain in office when he should have been sacked.
[quote]However, she is knowledgeable as a member of the North Yorkshire Police Authority [/quote] Which allowed a disgraced and discredited Chief Constable to remain in office when he should have been sacked. Sillybillies
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1:15pm Tue 13 Nov 12

bolero says...

I can't wait for Thursday when I shall exercise my right ,not to vote.
I can't wait for Thursday when I shall exercise my right ,not to vote. bolero
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1:31pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Von_Dutch says...

John Cossham you're very naive. Have you ever been at an election count? Your "essay" you are intending to put on your spoilt ballot won't get read - It will simply get glanced at by the lowly paid clerk and put in the spoilt pile. There will be no 'recording' of your message.
John Cossham you're very naive. Have you ever been at an election count? Your "essay" you are intending to put on your spoilt ballot won't get read - It will simply get glanced at by the lowly paid clerk and put in the spoilt pile. There will be no 'recording' of your message. Von_Dutch
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5:38pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Micklegate says...

Von_Dutch wrote:
John Cossham you're very naive. Have you ever been at an election count? Your "essay" you are intending to put on your spoilt ballot won't get read - It will simply get glanced at by the lowly paid clerk and put in the spoilt pile. There will be no 'recording' of your message.
Yes he has been to lots as a candidate as time and time again people have rejected him, not that it stops his huge bulging ego spouting off
[quote][p][bold]Von_Dutch[/bold] wrote: John Cossham you're very naive. Have you ever been at an election count? Your "essay" you are intending to put on your spoilt ballot won't get read - It will simply get glanced at by the lowly paid clerk and put in the spoilt pile. There will be no 'recording' of your message.[/p][/quote]Yes he has been to lots as a candidate as time and time again people have rejected him, not that it stops his huge bulging ego spouting off Micklegate
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10:02pm Tue 13 Nov 12

John Cossham says...

Micklegate wrote:
Von_Dutch wrote:
John Cossham you're very naive. Have you ever been at an election count? Your "essay" you are intending to put on your spoilt ballot won't get read - It will simply get glanced at by the lowly paid clerk and put in the spoilt pile. There will be no 'recording' of your message.
Yes he has been to lots as a candidate as time and time again people have rejected him, not that it stops his huge bulging ego spouting off
Hahaha... yes, I've stood in lots of elections and, therefore, Von Dutch, I can quite categorically tell you that you are wrong.

Spoiled ballots HAVE to be agreed by all candidates. They have to look at ALL of them. When I've stood, all the candidates (and sometimes agents) crowd round and the election officer goes through them one by one, so we see crosses in more than one box, sometimes numbers (a la Proportional Representation) and more often a message for us, the candidates. Nearly always, it is obvious that the ballot is deliberately defaced, but sometimes we decide that the vote belongs to one or other of the candidates.

So, when the candidates have to look through a huge pile of 'we think this was a complete waste of money and you're going to get paid £100,000 which should be spent on front-line policing' they WILL understand the strength of feeling.

Micklegate, do you know which party I stand for and do you know which ward I stand in? Look at the past results. Do you REALLY think a 'paper candidate' Green is going to beat a Labour Party candidate supported by a vast party machine in a staunch Labour ward?

I never expect to win. I stand to give people choice, to show that low carbon lifestyles are possible, fun, wholesome and the way forward for the future. I stand to get Green policies into the media, where history has shown that other parties have taken them up. I may have an ego, but standing in elections is about much bigger stuff than me. It's actually about you, your neighbours, family, friends, offspring. For me, Green Party policies are also taking into account your grandchildren's grandchildren's quality of life. After all, the human race isn't going to die out for quite a while, and future generations deserve a nice planet just like you do.
[quote][p][bold]Micklegate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Von_Dutch[/bold] wrote: John Cossham you're very naive. Have you ever been at an election count? Your "essay" you are intending to put on your spoilt ballot won't get read - It will simply get glanced at by the lowly paid clerk and put in the spoilt pile. There will be no 'recording' of your message.[/p][/quote]Yes he has been to lots as a candidate as time and time again people have rejected him, not that it stops his huge bulging ego spouting off[/p][/quote]Hahaha... yes, I've stood in lots of elections and, therefore, Von Dutch, I can quite categorically tell you that you are wrong. Spoiled ballots HAVE to be agreed by all candidates. They have to look at ALL of them. When I've stood, all the candidates (and sometimes agents) crowd round and the election officer goes through them one by one, so we see crosses in more than one box, sometimes numbers (a la Proportional Representation) and more often a message for us, the candidates. Nearly always, it is obvious that the ballot is deliberately defaced, but sometimes we decide that the vote belongs to one or other of the candidates. So, when the candidates have to look through a huge pile of 'we think this was a complete waste of money and you're going to get paid £100,000 which should be spent on front-line policing' they WILL understand the strength of feeling. Micklegate, do you know which party I stand for and do you know which ward I stand in? Look at the past results. Do you REALLY think a 'paper candidate' Green is going to beat a Labour Party candidate supported by a vast party machine in a staunch Labour ward? I never expect to win. I stand to give people choice, to show that low carbon lifestyles are possible, fun, wholesome and the way forward for the future. I stand to get Green policies into the media, where history has shown that other parties have taken them up. I may have an ego, but standing in elections is about much bigger stuff than me. It's actually about you, your neighbours, family, friends, offspring. For me, Green Party policies are also taking into account your grandchildren's grandchildren's quality of life. After all, the human race isn't going to die out for quite a while, and future generations deserve a nice planet just like you do. John Cossham
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10:17pm Tue 13 Nov 12

Sillybillies says...

Yes he has been to lots as a candidate as time and time again people have rejected him, not that it stops his huge bulging ego spouting off

So it seems.
[quote]Yes he has been to lots as a candidate as time and time again people have rejected him, not that it stops his huge bulging ego spouting off[/quote] So it seems. Sillybillies
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10:38pm Tue 13 Nov 12

John Cossham says...

Sillybillies wrote:
Yes he has been to lots as a candidate as time and time again people have rejected him, not that it stops his huge bulging ego spouting off

So it seems.
At least I'm a good communicator!

And I'm rarely rude towards people. And I use my real name.

If you or anyone wishes to attack me, then firstly don't have cowardly pseudonyms and secondly pick on something which we can get our teeth into, not facile froth like the above.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]Yes he has been to lots as a candidate as time and time again people have rejected him, not that it stops his huge bulging ego spouting off[/quote] So it seems.[/p][/quote]At least I'm a good communicator! And I'm rarely rude towards people. And I use my real name. If you or anyone wishes to attack me, then firstly don't have cowardly pseudonyms and secondly pick on something which we can get our teeth into, not facile froth like the above. John Cossham
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