TV ambush on the PM was unethical (From York Press)

The PM handled it magnificently? His comments on gay people are considered by some an attempt to misdirect attention from the guilty and onto gay people in the community in general.

ps. Happy 2nd Anniversary, Millbank Tower (where the Tory scum reside) We'll be hopefully coming down to say "Hi" on the 21st, the day set for #Demo2012 which the NUS has set, (although I'll personally be on the ULU/NCAFC march under the message that was democratically voted in, that the NUS don't seem to be following)

YSTClinguist wrote:
The PM handled it magnificently? His comments on gay people are considered by some an attempt to misdirect attention from the guilty and onto gay people in the community in general.

ps. Happy 2nd Anniversary, Millbank Tower (where the Tory scum reside) We'll be hopefully coming down to say "Hi" on the 21st, the day set for #Demo2012 which the NUS has set, (although I'll personally be on the ULU/NCAFC march under the message that was democratically voted in, that the NUS don't seem to be following)

Hope you shower first before traveling down there you bigot

The PM handled it magnificently? His comments on gay people are considered by some an attempt to misdirect attention from the guilty and onto gay people in the community in general.

ps. Happy 2nd Anniversary, Millbank Tower (where the Tory scum reside) We'll be hopefully coming down to say "Hi" on the 21st, the day set for #Demo2012 which the NUS has set, (although I'll personally be on the ULU/NCAFC march under the message that was democratically voted in, that the NUS don't seem to be following)

Is this available in English?

The most important danger now to be faced full on by the PM; that police, victims and the media are not frightened off revealing the full extent of the experiences of far too many people, now adults, who are living with their memories, still unanswered. A mistake has been made, apologized for and acknowledged.

It must not be allowed to drown the issue or push it into the long grass. We owe it to the safety of young generations now and in the future to clear this up fully and expose those WHO REALLY WERE GUILTY, whoever they were or are now.

I can't believe these two letters.
What sort of sheep do we have around us?

He's the PM. He heads the Tory party. He is accountable for his party's reputation.
Why shouldn't people ask questions of him that he doesn't expect?
Are we saying that we want all our politicians to be scripted and rehearsed when interviewed?
Why don't we do away with freedom altogether?


Cameron has got some great big stinking brass neck for playing the poor victim in all this.

"Oh I shouldn't have been put in that position"

Really? Why don't you ask what sort of position nurses, the police force and the disabled (to name but a few) are in thanks to you David?

Hypocrite.

I think it's the Banks' fault.

Buzz Light-year wrote:
I can't believe these two letters.
What sort of sheep do we have around us?

He's the PM. He heads the Tory party. He is accountable for his party's reputation.
Why shouldn't people ask questions of him that he doesn't expect?
Are we saying that we want all our politicians to be scripted and rehearsed when interviewed?
Why don't we do away with freedom altogether?


Cameron has got some great big stinking brass neck for playing the poor victim in all this.

"Oh I shouldn't have been put in that position"

Really? Why don't you ask what sort of position nurses, the police force and the disabled (to name but a few) are in thanks to you David?

Hypocrite.

Read this about the mysterious 'minimum wage plus £0.01/ph' jobs that have just appeared from a private company that look like they may be for replacing the 750 NHS Direct staffers who were sacked by email.

Oops, the link might be in order: http://eoin-clarke.b
logspot.co.uk/2012/1
1/minimum-wage-job-a
dvert-to-hire.html

Here's what the Childrens' commissioner for Wales had to say; from an Gardian article today. .............

He said: "These people are approaching me because they don't yet want to go to the police or the authorities." Most simply wanted to be listened to, he said. "They want to have their voices heard, they want people to understand what happened to them." He said what happened in the 1970s and 1980s in north Wales was a consequence of children and young people not being listened to.

The children's commissioner said the victims' memories were "as clear as if it happened yesterday". "We say it's historical but actually it's alive. This is not an archaeological dig, we're talking to people for whom this is terribly alive. People are incredibly emotional – we've had tears, anger, relief.

"They're saying, I've waited 30 years to have this opportunity. I've also had conversations with people going through that emotion but handling that through humour, finding release through humour and asking me if it's inappropriate to have that response. Of course it's not."

Victims have continued to tell tales to the media of abuse, beatings and torture at the homes. One described to the Guardian being regularly whipped with a thin stick while he was naked in the showers at Bryn Estyn.

Another told how staff would fondle the private parts of adolescent boys. Both said they did not even think of this as sexual abuse at the time. "That was normal life to us, it was just how it was," said one of the men.

"I was beaten up, tortured, they beat you up bad," he said. The victim, who asked not to be named, had been in and out of jail after leaving Bryn Estyn. He now keeps out of trouble by staying at home. "I haven't been out for 10 years."

Towler said it was important to consider how these sorts of stories would affect children and young people today.

"If you're a young person in care now picking all this up think what it must be like for them.

Serves Cameron right for opting for soft interviews on daytime TV. He should be facing Humphries and Paxman not Schofield.

I'm no fan of Cameron but he was right to encourage those with evidence to go the police. Child abuse allegations are a matter for trained police officers who specialise in dealing with these sort of offenders and bringing them to justice. If the police investigation indicates party failures and cover-ups then of course the party should be held accountable, but it is not a politicians job to investigate every malicious rumour that appears on the internet.

He should make them directly answerable to him until the whole thing is properly dealt with. It is that important.

Cameron put himself in the public spotlight when he decided he wanted to be a politician and a prime minister. If he can't face public scrutiny he should resign.

As much as I loathe Cameron, this was a cheap and cringe-inspiring piece of television. What was Schoffield thinking of? There are doubtless internet sites claiming the cabinet are all aliens from the planet Zog, doesn't make it true.

`that is exactly the point. The truth has to be rooted out and those guilty severely punished, then and now.

Where Cameron went wrong was to link paedophilia with homosexuality - they are completely different.
The churches stance on homosexuality doesn't help, but they seem blind to the message they are sending out by barring homosexuals from senior positions within their ranks.

their is nothing new in all this....
this seems like an establishment cover up.....
a book was written in 1995 called the bigest secret in which jimmy sa"vile" was outed as a procurer/abuser of children for the elites.
named in that book was_______also ___________amongst other high ranking world elites, was any legal action taken then......no.
so why is action taken now?

the media seem to be trying to stop this rising up/down the ranks, trying to keep it contained to celebrity when all the facts point to a massive peadophile ring within the very heart of the establishment.



read the biggest secret it is very relevant to the world we live in today....

The "Biggest secret" is written by that well known nutter David Icke -

David Vaughan Icke (or IKE, born 29 April 1952) is a British writer. Describing himself as the most controversial speaker in the world, he is the author of 19 books and has attracted a global following that cuts across the political spectrum. His 533-page The Biggest Secret (1999) has been called "the Rosetta Stone for conspiracy junkies."
Icke was a well-known BBC television sports presenter and spokesman for the Green Party, when in 1990 a psychic told him he was a healer who had been placed on Earth for a purpose, and that the spirit world was going to pass messages to him so he could educate others. In March 1991 he held a press conference to announce that he was a "Son of the Godhead" – a phrase he said later the media had misunderstood – and the following month told the BBC's Terry Wogan show that the world would soon be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes.

Now read all about the individual whose fairytale Newsnight based the McAlpine smear on -

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2231212/Steven-Messh
am-Astonishing-story
-BBC-DIDNT-tell-trou
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Not exactly reliable is he?

Gay people are definately not an issue in this situation. They are being crudely used to draw attention from those involved and their connections.

The crimes that hundreds now feel they can come out and talk about, having not been listened to before. Dehumanizing, organized sexual abuse against them as children while they were in 'care' homes. That is the issue which has blighted their lives to adulthood. They have never been listened to before and frightened off talking about it.

There has been a case of mistaken identity by such a boy, many years later, admitted by him and apologized for. Reading what happened back then, it can be understood. It was very upsetting for the named Lord and his family.

His Lordship couldn't be blamed if he sought compensation from journalists and their employers who went with the unproved story.

I would suggest a far more significant course of action which would be more rewarding. Use my experience to make it better for those children who were there and suffered terribly. That is what I hope I could do in the same situation.

@ J Beisly the same can be said for anything coming out of a politicians mouth

Sillybillies wrote:
The "Biggest secret" is written by that well known nutter David Icke -

David Vaughan Icke (or IKE, born 29 April 1952) is a British writer. Describing himself as the most controversial speaker in the world, he is the author of 19 books and has attracted a global following that cuts across the political spectrum. His 533-page The Biggest Secret (1999) has been called "the Rosetta Stone for conspiracy junkies."
Icke was a well-known BBC television sports presenter and spokesman for the Green Party, when in 1990 a psychic told him he was a healer who had been placed on Earth for a purpose, and that the spirit world was going to pass messages to him so he could educate others. In March 1991 he held a press conference to announce that he was a "Son of the Godhead" – a phrase he said later the media had misunderstood – and the following month told the BBC's Terry Wogan show that the world would soon be devastated by tidal waves and earthquakes.

Now read all about the individual whose fairytale Newsnight based the McAlpine smear on -

http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

2231212/Steven-Messh

am-Astonishing-story

-BBC-DIDNT-tell-trou

bled-star-witness.ht

ml

Not exactly reliable is he?

david icke is a well known nutter is he, not that well known, i didnt know.
i used to think he was because i was told to think that.
then i read some of his books and then realised he was far from a nutter.
what do you base your opinion on, perhaps you have read many of his books, seen him on tour perhaps or perhaps like me thats what you were told to think..
come on lad... grow up.

Even AndyD wrote:
As much as I loathe Cameron, this was a cheap and cringe-inspiring piece of television. What was Schoffield thinking of? There are doubtless internet sites claiming the cabinet are all aliens from the planet Zog, doesn't make it true.

Oh, so you 'loathe' the Prime Minister, do you ?

Bet you'll be reaffirming that you are not a Labour supporter next ?

The story in York is that the 'f' in fiji was put there because of reasons you missed in your birdsong broadcast. Failing to indentify with ones true identity on matters political is the answer you are looking for. Be more mindful of how transparent your hidden agenda is to those who you attack !

I am afraid any relationship with the media carries risks. A fact Mr Cameron should appreciate more than most bearing in mind his PR background not to mention his 'contacts' with the Murdoch Empire.

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Even AndyD wrote: As much as I loathe Cameron, this was a cheap and cringe-inspiring piece of television. What was Schoffield thinking of? There are doubtless internet sites claiming the cabinet are all aliens from the planet Zog, doesn't make it true.

Oh, so you 'loathe' the Prime Minister, do you ? Bet you'll be reaffirming that you are not a Labour supporter next ? The story in York is that the 'f' in fiji was put there because of reasons you missed in your birdsong broadcast. Failing to indentify with ones true identity on matters political is the answer you are looking for. Be more mindful of how transparent your hidden agenda is to those who you attack !

Everything is so binary for you isn't it?

Loathe Cameron = labour supporter.
Disagree with you = hate an architect of this parish.
Etc.

What else?
Don't like Eastenders = in love with Dierdre?
Anti war = in love with Saddam?

What a skewed vision of the world.

Buzz Light-year wrote:

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:

Even AndyD wrote: As much as I loathe Cameron, this was a cheap and cringe-inspiring piece of television. What was Schoffield thinking of? There are doubtless internet sites claiming the cabinet are all aliens from the planet Zog, doesn't make it true.

Oh, so you 'loathe' the Prime Minister, do you ? Bet you'll be reaffirming that you are not a Labour supporter next ? The story in York is that the 'f' in fiji was put there because of reasons you missed in your birdsong broadcast. Failing to indentify with ones true identity on matters political is the answer you are looking for. Be more mindful of how transparent your hidden agenda is to those who you attack !

Everything is so binary for you isn't it? Loathe Cameron = labour supporter. Disagree with you = hate an architect of this parish. Etc. What else? Don't like Eastenders = in love with Dierdre? Anti war = in love with Saddam? What a skewed vision of the world.

The point was that AndyD pretends to be something he is not.

I don't pretend that, 'black is white' or vice versa, but, I'm not a fifty shades of grey kinda guy either ? !!!!

actually, I'm surprised with all the splinters he has in his rear end (from sitting on the fence) that he actually came out with the loathe Cameron admission. Maybe he's decided on a more honest approach ? Hope so.

Fools and ghouls, eh ? ;-)

david icke is a well known nutter is he, not that well known, i didnt know.
i used to think he was because i was told to think that.
then i read some of his books and then realised he was far from a nutter.
what do you base your opinion on, perhaps you have read many of his books, seen him on tour perhaps or perhaps like me thats what you were told to think..
come on lad... grow up.

His theory that the Royal Family are alien reptiles was a bit of a give-away!