10 reasons why the Lendal Bridge trial failed

York Press: 10 reasons why the Lendal Bridge trial failed 10 reasons why the Lendal Bridge trial failed

The Lendal Bridge trial has been axed. And not before time, say critics. As soon as the trial was announced, it sparked a wave of controversy. So what went wrong?

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York Press:

1 - Right from day 1, the signs sparked controversy. Some referred only to August 27, there was concern tourists wouldn’t know which bridge was Lendal Bridge, and there were many claims the earlier signs in particular were unclear or liable to being obscured by buses or lorries.

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York Press: Visit York

2 - Tens of thousands of tourists were fined, potentially damaging York’s reputation as a tourist city. Visit York voiced major concerns, and many tourists wrote to The Press saying they would not come back.

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York Press: Today marks the half-way point in the controversial Lendal Bridge trial

3 - The “restricted access” message painted on the road was unclear and did not specify which traffic was banned, or when, said critics.

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York Press: Skoda Citigo sat nav

4 - SatNav companies were unwilling to adapt their systems to warn of the restriction, until and unless it became permanent, meaning many drivers were directed to the bridge before they knew of the restriction.

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York Press: Congestion on Skeldergate Bridge, York.

5 - Many felt the restriction simply moved congestion elsewhere, leading to tailbacks on other roads around the city.

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York Press: Catching a Park&Ride bus in the centre of York

6 - The benefit for bus passengers was unconvincing – a report in February said seven of York’s ten Park&Ride services were actually taking longer than before the trial.

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York Press: Frank Wood

7 - Businesses reacted angrily to the move, saying they had suffered. York Retail Forum said there had been a “distinct downturn” in city-centre trade.

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York Press: Secret Agents Academy for Spies

8 - Previously-secret emails released under the Freedom of Information Act showed confusion within the council throughout the trial

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York Press: Push for stop sign at 'dangerous' junction to cut accidents

9 - A bodyblow to the project came when traffic adjudicator Stephen Knapp said the council had “no power” to issue fines on the bridge.

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York Press: Croydon residents told: no vote, no voice, no excuse

10 - In the end, electoral considerations became a key factor – Labour councillors told The Press they feared the move could cost them the next election. Hours later, the scheme was axed.

>> Not convinced it was all that bad? Here are 10 arguments FOR the trial.

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3:06pm Wed 9 Apr 14

pbrowne2009@live.co.uk says...

10 - In the end, electoral considerations became a key factor – Labour councillors told The Press they feared the move could cost them the next election. Hours later, the scheme was axed.

IT COST YOU THE NEXT ELECTION WHEN YOU ANNOUNCED THE SCHEME.
10 - In the end, electoral considerations became a key factor – Labour councillors told The Press they feared the move could cost them the next election. Hours later, the scheme was axed. IT COST YOU THE NEXT ELECTION WHEN YOU ANNOUNCED THE SCHEME. pbrowne2009@live.co.uk
  • Score: 51

4:25pm Wed 9 Apr 14

strangebuttrue? says...

After all of the bullying tactics used by the council to stop York residents using cars in the city which preceded this bridge closure the Liberals had already lost one election and the Labour councillors (or are they green councillors) had already lost the next election. The Lendal Bridge closure just brought out the sheer anger and frustration already being felt by the majority and resulted in many who would not normally have complained to do just that.
After all of the bullying tactics used by the council to stop York residents using cars in the city which preceded this bridge closure the Liberals had already lost one election and the Labour councillors (or are they green councillors) had already lost the next election. The Lendal Bridge closure just brought out the sheer anger and frustration already being felt by the majority and resulted in many who would not normally have complained to do just that. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 35

6:55pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Coverpoint25 says...

Many moons ago our forefathers used their planning, skills and effort to make transportation around our beautiful city easier by building bridges to ensure the passage of goods and people was as efficient as possible.
This simple fact appears to have been missed by the politicians who seek to impose their dogma on the people.
Hopefully the people of York will remind said politicians who they serve when it comes ballot time.
Many moons ago our forefathers used their planning, skills and effort to make transportation around our beautiful city easier by building bridges to ensure the passage of goods and people was as efficient as possible. This simple fact appears to have been missed by the politicians who seek to impose their dogma on the people. Hopefully the people of York will remind said politicians who they serve when it comes ballot time. Coverpoint25
  • Score: 28

7:19pm Wed 9 Apr 14

vax2002 says...

The Damage that has been done to Yorks tourist trade will take years to put right.
The cities reputation is in tatters as a tourist spot.
The story has already reached all corners of the globe.
Only when councillors thought their noses might be pushed from the trough did they act.
The electorate are stupid, this agree with, but not quite that stupid.

If they re-elect this lot again, they will get the council they deserve.
The Damage that has been done to Yorks tourist trade will take years to put right. The cities reputation is in tatters as a tourist spot. The story has already reached all corners of the globe. Only when councillors thought their noses might be pushed from the trough did they act. The electorate are stupid, this agree with, but not quite that stupid. If they re-elect this lot again, they will get the council they deserve. vax2002
  • Score: 28

5:15am Thu 10 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

And for the second time in their tenure, this council has bowed under pressure from an all-too-vocal motoring brigade.

Perhaps if junctions around the diversionary route had been improved first so as to provide extra capacity there, then the impact of the bridge closure would have been a bit less.
But even now, now that people know fines aren't being issued, traffic around the rail station has already increased in the last 2 days - and so right in time for the easter weekend when York will get an influx of tourists both from the UK and overseas, tourists will step off the coach at the memorial gardens, or out of the train station, and be greeted with a line of bumper-to-bumper traffic. Lovely.
And for the second time in their tenure, this council has bowed under pressure from an all-too-vocal motoring brigade. Perhaps if junctions around the diversionary route had been improved first so as to provide extra capacity there, then the impact of the bridge closure would have been a bit less. But even now, now that people know fines aren't being issued, traffic around the rail station has already increased in the last 2 days - and so right in time for the easter weekend when York will get an influx of tourists both from the UK and overseas, tourists will step off the coach at the memorial gardens, or out of the train station, and be greeted with a line of bumper-to-bumper traffic. Lovely. Magicman!
  • Score: -20

6:12am Thu 10 Apr 14

Lindhead Music says...

So are we still expected to pay outstanding fines?
So are we still expected to pay outstanding fines? Lindhead Music
  • Score: 7

9:35am Thu 10 Apr 14

Brianbevan1 says...

On the Lendal Bridge fiasco,very few have mentioned the pollution caused by the extra traffic on the East side of the city where I live. This has caused sore throats and respiratory problems in many residents I have spoken to.
I wrote to Counsellor Merritt to ask for his help to eliminate the problem,a month later I received a reply saying we would have to wait until the end of the trial when all the results have come in but what good are statistics when peoples health is involved.
On the Lendal Bridge fiasco,very few have mentioned the pollution caused by the extra traffic on the East side of the city where I live. This has caused sore throats and respiratory problems in many residents I have spoken to. I wrote to Counsellor Merritt to ask for his help to eliminate the problem,a month later I received a reply saying we would have to wait until the end of the trial when all the results have come in but what good are statistics when peoples health is involved. Brianbevan1
  • Score: 11

12:18pm Thu 10 Apr 14

York2000 says...

11 The Press have been happy to let their website become 'Bicker about the Council Here Please Website.'
11 The Press have been happy to let their website become 'Bicker about the Council Here Please Website.' York2000
  • Score: -6

12:28pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Mister Matosis says...

Does anyone know the consequences of not paying the fine? Just curious as to whether the council have actually attempted to prosecute against any non-payers.
Does anyone know the consequences of not paying the fine? Just curious as to whether the council have actually attempted to prosecute against any non-payers. Mister Matosis
  • Score: 2

1:01pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Teabag1 says...

Our council are utter buffoons these fines need to be refunded
Our council are utter buffoons these fines need to be refunded Teabag1
  • Score: 7

1:01pm Thu 10 Apr 14

joelwithatleast6characters says...

Well lets look forward to the boom time for local business as customers flock to drive up to the cash register to buy overpriced rubbish. And we can only hope that the millions of tourists who have said they will not return to the city because they can't drive up the minster steps do in fact stay away as they sound like their needs might be better catered for elsewhere, perhaps a service station on the A19 might be more to their liking?
And as the Press so diligently 'reported' yesterday, all these cyclists are a menace who threaten the very lives of all they go near.

A victory for common sense says I!
Well lets look forward to the boom time for local business as customers flock to drive up to the cash register to buy overpriced rubbish. And we can only hope that the millions of tourists who have said they will not return to the city because they can't drive up the minster steps do in fact stay away as they sound like their needs might be better catered for elsewhere, perhaps a service station on the A19 might be more to their liking? And as the Press so diligently 'reported' yesterday, all these cyclists are a menace who threaten the very lives of all they go near. A victory for common sense says I! joelwithatleast6characters
  • Score: 0

4:05pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Cheeky face says...

I know someone who ignored the PCN and other follow ups.
No threat of court action recently!

To be honest Coppergate has probably taken a back seat. But the signs leading to that street need to be better.

I do not think anyone has had an honest reply to testing questions on either location. They appear to spoil apologies with excuses!
I know someone who ignored the PCN and other follow ups. No threat of court action recently! To be honest Coppergate has probably taken a back seat. But the signs leading to that street need to be better. I do not think anyone has had an honest reply to testing questions on either location. They appear to spoil apologies with excuses! Cheeky face
  • Score: -1

4:13pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Cheeky face says...

Brian,

Quite right - air quality has worsened in Foss Islands rd, the old cattle market area, and Prices Lane. Presumably the stats will be accurate. BUT LET'S NOT FORGET STATISTICAL INFORMATION IS A CONDUIT TO DISTORT FACTS! e.g Stats say so many thousand drivers transgressed over Lendal Bridge during the days the restriction was working. Some taxis got multiple letters and even more visitors got 2 or more PCNs during a week's break!

Dare they try again without help?

Can tax payers demand via FOI all so far undisclosed information?
Brian, Quite right - air quality has worsened in Foss Islands rd, the old cattle market area, and Prices Lane. Presumably the stats will be accurate. BUT LET'S NOT FORGET STATISTICAL INFORMATION IS A CONDUIT TO DISTORT FACTS! e.g Stats say so many thousand drivers transgressed over Lendal Bridge during the days the restriction was working. Some taxis got multiple letters and even more visitors got 2 or more PCNs during a week's break! Dare they try again without help? Can tax payers demand via FOI all so far undisclosed information? Cheeky face
  • Score: 3

4:40pm Thu 10 Apr 14

petesmuk says...

Teabag1 wrote:
Our council are utter buffoons these fines need to be refunded
Sorry to surprise you Teabag1 but ALL councils are buffoons. Unfortunately, buffoons are the only people who tend to stand for election.
[quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Our council are utter buffoons these fines need to be refunded[/p][/quote]Sorry to surprise you Teabag1 but ALL councils are buffoons. Unfortunately, buffoons are the only people who tend to stand for election. petesmuk
  • Score: 3

5:40pm Thu 10 Apr 14

RoseD says...

Brianbevan1 wrote:
On the Lendal Bridge fiasco,very few have mentioned the pollution caused by the extra traffic on the East side of the city where I live. This has caused sore throats and respiratory problems in many residents I have spoken to.
I wrote to Counsellor Merritt to ask for his help to eliminate the problem,a month later I received a reply saying we would have to wait until the end of the trial when all the results have come in but what good are statistics when peoples health is involved.
Exactly. I began to have headaches, nausea and other reactions (similar to when forced to inhale second hand ciggie smoke) at my own HOME, which is only 1 metre from the street. We had to close our windows even though late August and into Sept was still pretty nice.

Tiresome stats about 'a woman who died' on Gillygate were bandied about, and if this isn't Urban Legend or Merrett propaganda, that is sad, but how about the many, many, many more residents exposed to the increase of smog in FAR more areas? No one lives on Lendal Bridge and not as many folks live on Gillygate as live along the other 80% of the 'Ring' Road.

Displacing traffic does not REDUCE it, it merely effs more ppl up.

Put through a congestion charge, £100 a year to drive through or even near York, and the residents and tradesmen who must do so will pay, and the rest won't. Only those with actual DLA or etc can get a reduction, and that aint me: I have a range of health issues and don't receive any financial help, nor do I work, but even so, the £100 would be almost what I paid for the missed train (£64) and the two taxis (£17 total).

And taxis in York are dreadful. They park wantonly in Blue Badge bays and are often quite nasty. A taxi driver smashed up my car at 2 am, parked on the side of my one way street. He hit it so hard the car was sent 10 ft forward, even with the handbrake on. YES Taxis should pay the £100 too.
[quote][p][bold]Brianbevan1[/bold] wrote: On the Lendal Bridge fiasco,very few have mentioned the pollution caused by the extra traffic on the East side of the city where I live. This has caused sore throats and respiratory problems in many residents I have spoken to. I wrote to Counsellor Merritt to ask for his help to eliminate the problem,a month later I received a reply saying we would have to wait until the end of the trial when all the results have come in but what good are statistics when peoples health is involved.[/p][/quote]Exactly. I began to have headaches, nausea and other reactions (similar to when forced to inhale second hand ciggie smoke) at my own HOME, which is only 1 metre from the street. We had to close our windows even though late August and into Sept was still pretty nice. Tiresome stats about 'a woman who died' on Gillygate were bandied about, and if this isn't Urban Legend or Merrett propaganda, that is sad, but how about the many, many, many more residents exposed to the increase of smog in FAR more areas? No one lives on Lendal Bridge and not as many folks live on Gillygate as live along the other 80% of the 'Ring' Road. Displacing traffic does not REDUCE it, it merely effs more ppl up. Put through a congestion charge, £100 a year to drive through or even near York, and the residents and tradesmen who must do so will pay, and the rest won't. Only those with actual DLA or etc can get a reduction, and that aint me: I have a range of health issues and don't receive any financial help, nor do I work, but even so, the £100 would be almost what I paid for the missed train (£64) and the two taxis (£17 total). And taxis in York are dreadful. They park wantonly in Blue Badge bays and are often quite nasty. A taxi driver smashed up my car at 2 am, parked on the side of my one way street. He hit it so hard the car was sent 10 ft forward, even with the handbrake on. YES Taxis should pay the £100 too. RoseD
  • Score: 3

5:48pm Thu 10 Apr 14

jake777 says...

Cheeky face wrote:
I know someone who ignored the PCN and other follow ups.
No threat of court action recently!

To be honest Coppergate has probably taken a back seat. But the signs leading to that street need to be better.

I do not think anyone has had an honest reply to testing questions on either location. They appear to spoil apologies with excuses!
You go on about coppergate locals have know for over 50 years that cars are not permiitted during the day, so stop balling over it and get on with your life.
[quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: I know someone who ignored the PCN and other follow ups. No threat of court action recently! To be honest Coppergate has probably taken a back seat. But the signs leading to that street need to be better. I do not think anyone has had an honest reply to testing questions on either location. They appear to spoil apologies with excuses![/p][/quote]You go on about coppergate locals have know for over 50 years that cars are not permiitted during the day, so stop balling over it and get on with your life. jake777
  • Score: 1

6:49pm Thu 10 Apr 14

bolero says...

The only perceivable difference it has made to bus services is the fact that they now have longer waiting times at various points throughout the city and at the termini.
The only perceivable difference it has made to bus services is the fact that they now have longer waiting times at various points throughout the city and at the termini. bolero
  • Score: 0

6:56pm Thu 10 Apr 14

swh1963 says...

Magicman! wrote:
And for the second time in their tenure, this council has bowed under pressure from an all-too-vocal motoring brigade.

Perhaps if junctions around the diversionary route had been improved first so as to provide extra capacity there, then the impact of the bridge closure would have been a bit less.
But even now, now that people know fines aren't being issued, traffic around the rail station has already increased in the last 2 days - and so right in time for the easter weekend when York will get an influx of tourists both from the UK and overseas, tourists will step off the coach at the memorial gardens, or out of the train station, and be greeted with a line of bumper-to-bumper traffic. Lovely.
I drove in on the A1036 this morning towards Heworth. 'A line of bumper to bumper' traffic held up by the New Lane right turn and a bus lane next to it that remained vacant (except for a taxi!) throughout the time I edged forward. Why? Because anti-car dogmatists can't come up with a sensible plan that actually works and because public transport is infrequent (in this case non existent), inconvenient and expensive. Until I hear problem solving not proselytising from the anti car brigade I'm sticking with my own solutions to getting around.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: And for the second time in their tenure, this council has bowed under pressure from an all-too-vocal motoring brigade. Perhaps if junctions around the diversionary route had been improved first so as to provide extra capacity there, then the impact of the bridge closure would have been a bit less. But even now, now that people know fines aren't being issued, traffic around the rail station has already increased in the last 2 days - and so right in time for the easter weekend when York will get an influx of tourists both from the UK and overseas, tourists will step off the coach at the memorial gardens, or out of the train station, and be greeted with a line of bumper-to-bumper traffic. Lovely.[/p][/quote]I drove in on the A1036 this morning towards Heworth. 'A line of bumper to bumper' traffic held up by the New Lane right turn and a bus lane next to it that remained vacant (except for a taxi!) throughout the time I edged forward. Why? Because anti-car dogmatists can't come up with a sensible plan that actually works and because public transport is infrequent (in this case non existent), inconvenient and expensive. Until I hear problem solving not proselytising from the anti car brigade I'm sticking with my own solutions to getting around. swh1963
  • Score: -2

8:02pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

I for one am extremely relieved that the council have been brought to heel and forced to abandon the Lendal Bridge restrictions by the Government Traffic Adjudicator, and not by the council listening to business and residents concerns as stated in the lie that JA told the Look North presenter.
It seems to me that there are a lot of selfish residents that only care about their own little piece of York City centre, and think that everyone should abandon their car in favour of either cycling or jumping on a bus!.
Some even keep spouting their dogmatic rethoric about gridlock and carmageddon if we don't live our lives as they do, which to me is the height of selfishness.
I will honestly say that I have only two modes of transport, one is my car - I am a single occupancy driver - and the other is I walk, and my chosen mode of transport is dependent on where I am heading for at that particular time.
It is clear to me that there is not much chance of the A1237 being improved in my lifetime by dualing and building flyovers in place of the roundabouts, which would logically take a lot of traffic out of the city, but again there is the same old dogmatic rethoric spouted by the likes of pp/Hepworth that improving capacity will only lead an increase in unnecessary journeys.
So I will not be converted from my belief and will continue to use my chosen forms of transport just like swh1963 said.
I for one am extremely relieved that the council have been brought to heel and forced to abandon the Lendal Bridge restrictions by the Government Traffic Adjudicator, and not by the council listening to business and residents concerns as stated in the lie that JA told the Look North presenter. It seems to me that there are a lot of selfish residents that only care about their own little piece of York City centre, and think that everyone should abandon their car in favour of either cycling or jumping on a bus!. Some even keep spouting their dogmatic rethoric about gridlock and carmageddon if we don't live our lives as they do, which to me is the height of selfishness. I will honestly say that I have only two modes of transport, one is my car - I am a single occupancy driver - and the other is I walk, and my chosen mode of transport is dependent on where I am heading for at that particular time. It is clear to me that there is not much chance of the A1237 being improved in my lifetime by dualing and building flyovers in place of the roundabouts, which would logically take a lot of traffic out of the city, but again there is the same old dogmatic rethoric spouted by the likes of pp/Hepworth that improving capacity will only lead an increase in unnecessary journeys. So I will not be converted from my belief and will continue to use my chosen forms of transport just like swh1963 said. Igiveinthen
  • Score: 1

8:02pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Dave Ruddock says...

now the bridge fiasco is comming to and end HOPE ALEXANDER and MARRETS are too
now the bridge fiasco is comming to and end HOPE ALEXANDER and MARRETS are too Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 3

8:48pm Thu 10 Apr 14

ouseswimmer says...

When it comes to air quality and the bogus council claims regarding any improvement then consider this. The pollution monitoring stations are located in historically poor pollution places. The location of the traffic jams during the trial which would have poor pollution levels had no monitors whatsoever. Whereas the ones being used for this trial had reduced traffic and therefore less pollution. The Council claim this to be an improvement but as any fool will know if journey times are longer then there is more pollution its just not being monitored.
When it comes to air quality and the bogus council claims regarding any improvement then consider this. The pollution monitoring stations are located in historically poor pollution places. The location of the traffic jams during the trial which would have poor pollution levels had no monitors whatsoever. Whereas the ones being used for this trial had reduced traffic and therefore less pollution. The Council claim this to be an improvement but as any fool will know if journey times are longer then there is more pollution its just not being monitored. ouseswimmer
  • Score: 3

11:27am Mon 14 Apr 14

Archangle6rose says...

Brianbevan1 wrote:
On the Lendal Bridge fiasco,very few have mentioned the pollution caused by the extra traffic on the East side of the city where I live. This has caused sore throats and respiratory problems in many residents I have spoken to.
I wrote to Counsellor Merritt to ask for his help to eliminate the problem,a month later I received a reply saying we would have to wait until the end of the trial when all the results have come in but what good are statistics when peoples health is involved.
First Light Greetings Brianbevan1. The most smartest people in the world have readied the BIBLE for thousands of years to find out the meaning & just what is happening in that little city Jerusalem. They also wanted to know how they trafficked their people around the BLBLE. Then one simple shepherd boy comes with a rock & sling, then wins the whole world. U may call him David are Jesus. U Brianbevan1 have used the Sling of your mouth to make me see what is going on in YORK. It was a trial, purposed to "C" what the effects would be on the people; IN ORDER that what happens here may bring about a more permanent solution to a more bigger problem that effects york as a whole.
WARNING: This is the views of a uneducated person !
Farewell.
[quote][p][bold]Brianbevan1[/bold] wrote: On the Lendal Bridge fiasco,very few have mentioned the pollution caused by the extra traffic on the East side of the city where I live. This has caused sore throats and respiratory problems in many residents I have spoken to. I wrote to Counsellor Merritt to ask for his help to eliminate the problem,a month later I received a reply saying we would have to wait until the end of the trial when all the results have come in but what good are statistics when peoples health is involved.[/p][/quote]First Light Greetings Brianbevan1. The most smartest people in the world have readied the BIBLE for thousands of years to find out the meaning & just what is happening in that little city Jerusalem. They also wanted to know how they trafficked their people around the BLBLE. Then one simple shepherd boy comes with a rock & sling, then wins the whole world. U may call him David are Jesus. U Brianbevan1 have used the Sling of your mouth to make me see what is going on in YORK. It was a trial, purposed to "C" what the effects would be on the people; IN ORDER that what happens here may bring about a more permanent solution to a more bigger problem that effects york as a whole. WARNING: This is the views of a uneducated person ! Farewell. Archangle6rose
  • Score: 0

1:25pm Sun 27 Apr 14

CaroleBaines says...

The fines and signage were a complete fiasco. I'd suggest this article stretches credulity elsewhere and makes guesses rather than using facts. For example, footfall seems to have been okay and I didn't notice congestion was significantly worse elsewhere. Bootham, for example, was much quieter.
Press not doing itself much good for those who suggest it is right wing and largely the tool of business/advertisers in York.
The fines and signage were a complete fiasco. I'd suggest this article stretches credulity elsewhere and makes guesses rather than using facts. For example, footfall seems to have been okay and I didn't notice congestion was significantly worse elsewhere. Bootham, for example, was much quieter. Press not doing itself much good for those who suggest it is right wing and largely the tool of business/advertisers in York. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 2

3:23pm Sun 27 Apr 14

CaroleBaines says...

Take it back. Just spotted ten reasons for 'balance'. Apologies.
Take it back. Just spotted ten reasons for 'balance'. Apologies. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 0

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