Foie gras could be banned in ground-breaking move
YORK could become one of the first cities in the world to ban the food delicacy foie gras, if councillors back a pioneering motion later this week.
City of York councillors will be asked to pass a motion calling on shops and restaurants to stop selling the dish on cruelty grounds.
The motion, tabled by Labour councillor Paul Blanchard, has received international backing from animal rights groups, and Chicago, where its sale is already banned.
Foie gras is the liver of a duck or goose that has been fattened by force-feeding. Protestors claim it is cruel to animals. Its production is already banned in Britain, but there is no law against its sale or consumption.
Coun Blanchard said: "It is a brutal practice, the
production of which has rightly been outlawed in Britain. But we are still one of the biggest importers of foie gras from France, and until that stops, the torture of these birds is on all our consciences."
Last year, foie gras was banned in Chicago after a groundbreaking campaign.
Joe Moore, Alderman of the 49th Ward of Chicago, said: "If the City of York Council passes this motion, it will make a
profound moral statement against cruelty, and send a powerful message that it upholds the values of a civilised and humane
society."
According to Compassion In World Farming, the ducks and geese have a pipe forced down their necks, pumping food into them up to three times a day.
By the time they are slaughtered, their livers will have swollen to about ten times their normal size. They can
suffer from internal
bleeding and have
problems walking and breathing, the charity says.
Marie-Claire Macintosh, of the charity, said: "We applaud the City of York Council in its pioneering efforts to get foie gras banned on cruelty grounds. The method to produce this delicacy' is brutal and inherently cruel and has no place in a civilised society."
Coun Blanchard's motion calls the council to declare "this intolerably cruel and painful practice is unnecessary and should end."
The motion has the
backing of other Labour councillors, and York Green Party. It urges the city to "do as much as
reasonably possible to
discourage or prohibit the sale of foie gras within the authority area".
Coun Blanchard, who wants a free vote on the issue, said: "I have been asked why I am trying to address this issue when we are confronted with so many more pressing issues like crime and transport.
"I also readily accept there is much injustice afflicted upon humans that far outweigh cruelty to animals.
"However, that there are greater wrongs in the world should not require us to turn a blind eye to other cruelties when they are exposed."
9:38am Tuesday 23rd January 2007
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CommentPosted by: Marvin on 9:46am Tue 23 Jan 07
Absolutely. This type of monstrosity has no place in a civilised society. It is an evil disgusting industry + you have to be concerned about the sanity of anyone who works in that vile industry.
Absolutely. This type of monstrosity has no place in a civilised society. It is an evil disgusting industry + you have to be concerned about the sanity of anyone who works in that vile industry.
Posted by: Money wasters on 10:04am Tue 23 Jan 07
I can't believe this! while I agree that this is a cruel industry, what on earth has it got to do with the council if people chose to eat or serve up this food, it's called freedome of choice. York council, get a grip of yourselves and do what you were put in post to do, look after the resident's needs not wasting time and money making more and more ridiculous pointless decisions
I can't believe this! while I agree that this is a cruel industry, what on earth has it got to do with the council if people chose to eat or serve up this food, it's called freedome of choice. York council, get a grip of yourselves and do what you were put in post to do, look after the resident's needs not wasting time and money making more and more ridiculous pointless decisions
Posted by: Marvin on 10:22am Tue 23 Jan 07
Its called morals. You could say the same about a lot of things that councils or governments decide to do, such as making murder, rape or theft illegal in the case of the latter. Someone somewhere has to make decisions and I applaud the council for once.
Its called morals. You could say the same about a lot of things that councils or governments decide to do, such as making murder, rape or theft illegal in the case of the latter. Someone somewhere has to make decisions and I applaud the council for once.
Posted by: Sarah on 10:27am Tue 23 Jan 07
By bringing this cruel practice to the public's attention, York Council is giving people the choice to do the right thing. Cruelty like this goes unchallenged too often in modern society!
By bringing this cruel practice to the public's attention, York Council is giving people the choice to do the right thing. Cruelty like this goes unchallenged too often in modern society!
Posted by: Dave on 10:30am Tue 23 Jan 07
Well said Sarah, I doubt the public are even aware of the horrific truth behind this disgusting product.
Well said Sarah, I doubt the public are even aware of the horrific truth behind this disgusting product.
Posted by: C on 10:31am Tue 23 Jan 07
I had no idea this process took place, its absolutely disgusting - i will never buy or eat it again !
I had no idea this process took place, its absolutely disgusting - i will never buy or eat it again !
Posted by: Psi on 10:40am Tue 23 Jan 07
I agree totally that Councils, as a first tier of government, need to look at items like this and make an informed decision.
What may be important to remember is if you go down this route then you have to have a consistent approach. North Yorkshire has the highest cruelty rate on pets by owners than any other county, is something going to be done about that? Do we ban veal, perhaps. What about Grouse and Pheasant which are maimed and wounded in the shoot.
I would say yes to a proven systematic approach but don't pick and choose what you are going to legislate about to make a noame for yourself or put the City on the map. This will cause more discontent and prove a sham for those involved.
I agree totally that Councils, as a first tier of government, need to look at items like this and make an informed decision.
What may be important to remember is if you go down this route then you have to have a consistent approach. North Yorkshire has the highest cruelty rate on pets by owners than any other county, is something going to be done about that? Do we ban veal, perhaps. What about Grouse and Pheasant which are maimed and wounded in the shoot.
I would say yes to a proven systematic approach but don't pick and choose what you are going to legislate about to make a noame for yourself or put the City on the map. This will cause more discontent and prove a sham for those involved.
Posted by: Rubbish on 10:48am Tue 23 Jan 07
Pie in the sky, how do they expect to be able to stop supermarkets selling it?
I don't think they can.
Pie in the sky, how do they expect to be able to stop supermarkets selling it?
I don't think they can.
Posted by: Tom on 10:53am Tue 23 Jan 07
Absolutely ridiculous. Does this mean I'll have to go and eat in Leeds if I want foie gras? That'll help the York economy!
The local council has no right interfering like this - if people don't want to eat foie gras in a restaurant they don't have to - no-one is force-feeding it to them.
Absolutely ridiculous. Does this mean I'll have to go and eat in Leeds if I want foie gras? That'll help the York economy!
The local council has no right interfering like this - if people don't want to eat foie gras in a restaurant they don't have to - no-one is force-feeding it to them.
Posted by: Marvin on 10:53am Tue 23 Jan 07
I think veal crates were banned weren't they? As for shooting grouse and pheasants, pity the idiots who think this is fun haven't got better things to do with their time rather than pit their wits against beautiful, harmless birds. Although in many cases I guess they are trying to outwit creatures with a considerably superior intelligence.
I think veal crates were banned weren't they? As for shooting grouse and pheasants, pity the idiots who think this is fun haven't got better things to do with their time rather than pit their wits against beautiful, harmless birds. Although in many cases I guess they are trying to outwit creatures with a considerably superior intelligence.
Posted by: Jo on 10:57am Tue 23 Jan 07
if people knew how it was made it wouldnt need to be banned cos anyone with any degree of conscience wouldnt eat it. those who do should be given a supervision order.
if people knew how it was made it wouldnt need to be banned cos anyone with any degree of conscience wouldnt eat it. those who do should be given a supervision order.
Posted by: Julie on 11:01am Tue 23 Jan 07
The York Council has no powers to act independently on this, even assuming that there were some farms producing Foie Gras in the area.
If he wants to ban restuarants and shops from selling it, then he might at least check whether any currently do. Not exactly the staple diet of most York residents - New Labour lovies excepted of course.
But the Council will it seems be discussing its record in providing public services, the threat to our local health services and the City's housing problems - so we must have at least some sensible Councillors .
The York Council has no powers to act independently on this, even assuming that there were some farms producing Foie Gras in the area.
If he wants to ban restuarants and shops from selling it, then he might at least check whether any currently do. Not exactly the staple diet of most York residents - New Labour lovies excepted of course.
But the Council will it seems be discussing its record in providing public services, the threat to our local health services and the City's housing problems - so we must have at least some sensible Councillors .
Posted by: hungry on 11:01am Tue 23 Jan 07
When are they gonna ban lamb, pork, beef, venison, veal, and even chicken for that matter. Its all the same thing, animals killed for food. People should have a choice if they want to eat it or not.
When are they gonna ban lamb, pork, beef, venison, veal, and even chicken for that matter. Its all the same thing, animals killed for food. People should have a choice if they want to eat it or not.
Posted by: Mary T. on 11:05am Tue 23 Jan 07
its the cruelty aspect. if you cannot see that force-feeding ducks and geese til their livers burst is unneccessary and cruel then you have no place in a civilised society. as you rightly say its not the staple diet of most people, probably something eaten by the toffs most of which are pig ignorant and cannot read anyway so haven't a clue how it gets on their plates.
its the cruelty aspect. if you cannot see that force-feeding ducks and geese til their livers burst is unneccessary and cruel then you have no place in a civilised society. as you rightly say its not the staple diet of most people, probably something eaten by the toffs most of which are pig ignorant and cannot read anyway so haven't a clue how it gets on their plates.
Posted by: Bob on 11:09am Tue 23 Jan 07
Foie gras [bold]is[/bold] served in York retaurants. The Lime House, Middlethorpe Hall, and the Blue Bicycle all serve it. My only problem with the ban is that it's delicious.
Foie gras
is served in York retaurants. The Lime House, Middlethorpe Hall, and the Blue Bicycle all serve it. My only problem with the ban is that it's delicious.
Posted by: bob on 11:16am Tue 23 Jan 07
ban sale of vegetables! the cruelty they experience to be fattened up then chopped down at their prime.
ban sale of vegetables! the cruelty they experience to be fattened up then chopped down at their prime.
Posted by: Marvin on 11:24am Tue 23 Jan 07
you are an idiot bob, a complete and utter imbecile. you're one of those thoroughly irritating people who thinks they're funny but they're not.
you are an idiot bob, a complete and utter imbecile. you're one of those thoroughly irritating people who thinks they're funny but they're not.
Posted by: J on 11:27am Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote]it upholds the values of a civilised and humane society."[/quote]
Haha has he been in out on a Friday in York? Me thinks the council has more serious matters to be dealing with than Foie Gras.
it upholds the values of a civilised and humane society."
Haha has he been in out on a Friday in York? Me thinks the council has more serious matters to be dealing with than Foie Gras.
Posted by: md on 11:28am Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote]its the cruelty aspect. if you cannot see that force-feeding ducks and geese til their livers burst is unneccessary and cruel then you have no place in a civilised society[/quote]
SO basically it is only cruel if they are fed to bursting point, but the act of killing cows, sheep etc. with a single bullet is ok, or slaughtering chickens with a snap? Foie gras is not something I'd eat, but if others wish to it is their choice. If you start banning one thing because it is cruel then you have to ban all meat as, at the end of the day, all animals die to create this. BTW I am a meat eater.
its the cruelty aspect. if you cannot see that force-feeding ducks and geese til their livers burst is unneccessary and cruel then you have no place in a civilised society
SO basically it is only cruel if they are fed to bursting point, but the act of killing cows, sheep etc. with a single bullet is ok, or slaughtering chickens with a snap? Foie gras is not something I'd eat, but if others wish to it is their choice. If you start banning one thing because it is cruel then you have to ban all meat as, at the end of the day, all animals die to create this. BTW I am a meat eater.
Posted by: Cllr Paul Blanchard on 11:30am Tue 23 Jan 07
"Money wasters" has it wrong. The torture of animals is not a matter of personal choice. I am not trying to ban steak or hamburgers here. To produce foie gras animals are tortured. Wrong is wrong.
There is nothing wrong with taking a stand on the issues you care about. Like "C" says, they didn't even know about this cruel practice, and so the campaign is already doing some good in terms of raising awareness of this cruel practice.
"PSI" says why don't we try to ban veal et al. He has a point, but politics is the art of the possible, and if you try to campaign on too many issues at once you end up weakening your whole message and then nothing gets done. Everyone has to start somewhere, and this is a good start as far as I am concerned. As for “making a name for myself” – well, as you can see, with an issue like this, it is likely to turn as many voters off me as it will make them like me. It's quite simple really - you campaign on issues like this because you feel passionate about it, and for no other reason. This is a democracy. My job is to highlight an issue and then the public then debates them. I am not imposing the ban on anyone, I am only suggesting one and asking what people think.
"Rubbish" questions whether you can actually stop supermarkets selling it. Of course you can. The law on this at the moment is stupid anyway - we can't make foie gras in the UK as it's too cruel, and yet by allowing it to be sold, we create demand for it, and thus animals still end up suffering, albeit in other countries. It’s inconsistent. We should have a blanket ban on the sale of foie gras to put the law back on the right track. We are still one of the biggest importers of foie gras from France, and until that stops, the torture of these birds is on all our consciences. The demand creates the supply.
“Tom” says it will not help the York economy if he has to travel to Leeds to eat it. Well, that argument simply ignores the complete cruelty to the animals – should they suffer intolerably, simply to provide an extra option on the menu of a few exclusive restaurants in York?
“Julie” says that foie gras is “not exactly the staple diet of most York residents” and she is right. In politics, you have to stick up for what you believe in and show leadership on the issues you care about. We need to bring this sickening practice to the attention of everyone. That's what I am doing here, and I see nothing wrong with that. The next stage of the campaign is to persuade the Government to ban the sale of foie gras throughout the UK. But until then, we’re sending out the message: York does not tolerate cruelty to animals.
I have been asked why I am trying to address this issue when we are confronted with so many more pressing issues like crime and transport. I also readily accept that there is much injustice afflicted upon humans that far outweigh cruelty to animals. However, that there are greater wrongs in the world should not require us to turn a blind eye to other cruelties when they are exposed. Justice is not a finite commodity, and nor is kindness. Where we find wrongs done to animals, it’s no excuse to say that more important wrongs are done to humans, so let’s ignore it. As I said eralier, if something is wrong, it’s wrong.
"Money wasters" has it wrong. The torture of animals is not a matter of personal choice. I am not trying to ban steak or hamburgers here. To produce foie gras animals are tortured. Wrong is wrong.
There is nothing wrong with taking a stand on the issues you care about. Like "C" says, they didn't even know about this cruel practice, and so the campaign is already doing some good in terms of raising awareness of this cruel practice.
"PSI" says why don't we try to ban veal et al. He has a point, but politics is the art of the possible, and if you try to campaign on too many issues at once you end up weakening your whole message and then nothing gets done. Everyone has to start somewhere, and this is a good start as far as I am concerned. As for “making a name for myself” – well, as you can see, with an issue like this, it is likely to turn as many voters off me as it will make them like me. It's quite simple really - you campaign on issues like this because you feel passionate about it, and for no other reason. This is a democracy. My job is to highlight an issue and then the public then debates them. I am not imposing the ban on anyone, I am only suggesting one and asking what people think.
"Rubbish" questions whether you can actually stop supermarkets selling it. Of course you can. The law on this at the moment is stupid anyway - we can't make foie gras in the UK as it's too cruel, and yet by allowing it to be sold, we create demand for it, and thus animals still end up suffering, albeit in other countries. It’s inconsistent. We should have a blanket ban on the sale of foie gras to put the law back on the right track. We are still one of the biggest importers of foie gras from France, and until that stops, the torture of these birds is on all our consciences. The demand creates the supply.
“Tom” says it will not help the York economy if he has to travel to Leeds to eat it. Well, that argument simply ignores the complete cruelty to the animals – should they suffer intolerably, simply to provide an extra option on the menu of a few exclusive restaurants in York?
“Julie” says that foie gras is “not exactly the staple diet of most York residents” and she is right. In politics, you have to stick up for what you believe in and show leadership on the issues you care about. We need to bring this sickening practice to the attention of everyone. That's what I am doing here, and I see nothing wrong with that. The next stage of the campaign is to persuade the Government to ban the sale of foie gras throughout the UK. But until then, we’re sending out the message: York does not tolerate cruelty to animals.
I have been asked why I am trying to address this issue when we are confronted with so many more pressing issues like crime and transport. I also readily accept that there is much injustice afflicted upon humans that far outweigh cruelty to animals. However, that there are greater wrongs in the world should not require us to turn a blind eye to other cruelties when they are exposed. Justice is not a finite commodity, and nor is kindness. Where we find wrongs done to animals, it’s no excuse to say that more important wrongs are done to humans, so let’s ignore it. As I said eralier, if something is wrong, it’s wrong.
Posted by: Chris on 11:31am Tue 23 Jan 07
The problem with this is where do you draw the line.
Battery Chickens are just as badly treated but a ban on cheap chicken would cause many problems to people who couldnt afford the free range stuff. I think if you are going to ban one thing on cruelty grounds you have to go the whole way.
To be honest there's more important things going on that concern me more than people eating fois gras.
And unfortunately it is delicious.
The problem with this is where do you draw the line.
Battery Chickens are just as badly treated but a ban on cheap chicken would cause many problems to people who couldnt afford the free range stuff. I think if you are going to ban one thing on cruelty grounds you have to go the whole way.
To be honest there's more important things going on that concern me more than people eating fois gras.
And unfortunately it is delicious.
Posted by: John on 11:52am Tue 23 Jan 07
What is wrong with shooting pheasants and Grouse to Eat ?
I'ts certainly less cruel than large scale production and closer to our original 'hunter gatherer' roots.
Marvin if only everyone was lucky enough to be able to choose which industry to be in - some people due to economic reasons can't so don't question peoples sanity or call people idiots - you sound quite idiotic to me.
What is wrong with shooting pheasants and Grouse to Eat ?
I'ts certainly less cruel than large scale production and closer to our original 'hunter gatherer' roots.
Marvin if only everyone was lucky enough to be able to choose which industry to be in - some people due to economic reasons can't so don't question peoples sanity or call people idiots - you sound quite idiotic to me.
Posted by: David on 12:05pm Tue 23 Jan 07
I haven't eaten foie gras since I learned how it's produced.
That said, it's not the council's job to tell us what we can or can't eat.
I haven't eaten foie gras since I learned how it's produced.
That said, it's not the council's job to tell us what we can or can't eat.
Posted by: jay on 12:11pm Tue 23 Jan 07
I don't care if they ban foie gras. It's a food that LOOKS like cat food, smells worse, and causes unimaginable cruelty to ducks/geese to produce it. It doesn't even taste very good and it's terribly unhealthy.
The EU talks a good game about being civilised but why they haven't banned foie gras production/sales is beyond me. If we're going to pretend to be more moral than the rest of the world perhaps we should start holding ourselves to a higher standard.
I don't care if they ban foie gras. It's a food that LOOKS like cat food, smells worse, and causes unimaginable cruelty to ducks/geese to produce it. It doesn't even taste very good and it's terribly unhealthy.
The EU talks a good game about being civilised but why they haven't banned foie gras production/sales is beyond me. If we're going to pretend to be more moral than the rest of the world perhaps we should start holding ourselves to a higher standard.
Posted by: Tm on 12:20pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote][bold]Tom[/bold] wrote:
Absolutely ridiculous. Does this mean I'll have to go and eat in Leeds if I want foie gras? That'll help the York economy! The local council has no right interfering like this - if people don't want to eat foie gras in a restaurant they don't have to - no-one is force-feeding it to them.[/quote] No but the restauant will still have the fois gras in stock incase someone wants to, which means the cruelty is still going on, i have only tried fois gras once, i did afterwards find out what it was and i did enjoy it it was lovely, but i would not go out of my way to find some to eat as i think it is horrific what happens to the birds, I am certainly not a veggie, most of my diet is meat but i do believe in killing an animal humaely!apparently the liver actually bursts while the bird is still alive...food for thought.
Tom wrote:
Absolutely ridiculous. Does this mean I'll have to go and eat in Leeds if I want foie gras? That'll help the York economy! The local council has no right interfering like this - if people don't want to eat foie gras in a restaurant they don't have to - no-one is force-feeding it to them.
No but the restauant will still have the fois gras in stock incase someone wants to, which means the cruelty is still going on, i have only tried fois gras once, i did afterwards find out what it was and i did enjoy it it was lovely, but i would not go out of my way to find some to eat as i think it is horrific what happens to the birds, I am certainly not a veggie, most of my diet is meat but i do believe in killing an animal humaely!apparently the liver actually bursts while the bird is still alive...food for thought.
Posted by: Counter on 12:21pm Tue 23 Jan 07
More frickin ignorance.
Not all foie gras is produced in this way - there are 'humane' methods to make this product which do not involve force-feeding.
This is just an excuse for meat-eaters to feel a little less bad about themselves. It's denial of the fact that like it or not, a lot of our meat is produced in ways that we would feel are inhumane or cruel. Especially bacon, the most popular.
More frickin ignorance.
Not all foie gras is produced in this way - there are 'humane' methods to make this product which do not involve force-feeding.
This is just an excuse for meat-eaters to feel a little less bad about themselves. It's denial of the fact that like it or not, a lot of our meat is produced in ways that we would feel are inhumane or cruel. Especially bacon, the most popular.
Posted by: Marvin on 12:26pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Don't get me wrong md, I certainly don't support slaughtering lambs or chickens either! However, even though I disagree with the practice, I can see that the cruelty involved in foie gras production is nothing short of brutal.
Interesting to see that J and Chris think there are 'more important issues' than the torture of animals. How about one of you volunteer to have a pipe stuck down your throat and be force fed until your livers burst and then make your point? How about doing this in Parliament Square on a Saturday afternoon so all can see? Don't fancy it? Thought not.
Paul Blanchard you are a hero and good luck with this. You have my vote and my family's votes guaranteed in May.
Don't get me wrong md, I certainly don't support slaughtering lambs or chickens either! However, even though I disagree with the practice, I can see that the cruelty involved in foie gras production is nothing short of brutal.
Interesting to see that J and Chris think there are 'more important issues' than the torture of animals. How about one of you volunteer to have a pipe stuck down your throat and be force fed until your livers burst and then make your point? How about doing this in Parliament Square on a Saturday afternoon so all can see? Don't fancy it? Thought not.
Paul Blanchard you are a hero and good luck with this. You have my vote and my family's votes guaranteed in May.
Posted by: J on 12:35pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Despite his long reply He still hasn't clarified under which laws he has the power to stop this and uses the very weak and childish arguement that the current law is stupid. Whilst he may well disagree with the law he appears to be making statements that are un-enforcable without a legislative change which is not the same as York saying it is going to ban the product.
Despite his long reply He still hasn't clarified under which laws he has the power to stop this and uses the very weak and childish arguement that the current law is stupid. Whilst he may well disagree with the law he appears to be making statements that are un-enforcable without a legislative change which is not the same as York saying it is going to ban the product.
Posted by: Tm on 12:36pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote][bold]Counter[/bold] wrote:
More frickin ignorance. Not all foie gras is produced in this way - there are 'humane' methods to make this product which do not involve force-feeding. This is just an excuse for meat-eaters to feel a little less bad about themselves. It's denial of the fact that like it or not, a lot of our meat is produced in ways that we would feel are inhumane or cruel. Especially bacon, the most popular.[/quote] Exactly so this is why they are trying to make people aware of it and to get it in place, i am a meat eater but i do not eat things that i believe to have been made by treating animals inhumanely, it is up to people who like urself supposedly know how to bring it our attention, i would never stop eating meat because an animal is killed for it, e.g. a shot to the head, because its natural, its what people have done throughout history but if it is done cruelly then i disagree with it
Counter wrote:
More frickin ignorance. Not all foie gras is produced in this way - there are 'humane' methods to make this product which do not involve force-feeding. This is just an excuse for meat-eaters to feel a little less bad about themselves. It's denial of the fact that like it or not, a lot of our meat is produced in ways that we would feel are inhumane or cruel. Especially bacon, the most popular.
Exactly so this is why they are trying to make people aware of it and to get it in place, i am a meat eater but i do not eat things that i believe to have been made by treating animals inhumanely, it is up to people who like urself supposedly know how to bring it our attention, i would never stop eating meat because an animal is killed for it, e.g. a shot to the head, because its natural, its what people have done throughout history but if it is done cruelly then i disagree with it
Posted by: yorkie on 12:37pm Tue 23 Jan 07
how do you qualify to be the one(s)to determine which animals should die and how they should be killed? the most inhumane is rats, the poison slowly destroys their internal organs over a number of days before dying! but this is generally acceptable, i would never be so arrogant as to think i could choose one species over another.
OR
is this another long game have labour found a 3 or 4 year old xmas party menu for the liberals containing foie gras and will 'expose' them in due course.
how do you qualify to be the one(s)to determine which animals should die and how they should be killed? the most inhumane is rats, the poison slowly destroys their internal organs over a number of days before dying! but this is generally acceptable, i would never be so arrogant as to think i could choose one species over another.
OR
is this another long game have labour found a 3 or 4 year old xmas party menu for the liberals containing foie gras and will 'expose' them in due course.
Posted by: Marvin on 12:40pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Unless you are some legal expert 'J' I would tend to think Cllr Blanchard has done a bit more research into this than you have?
From an ethical, rather than a legal viewpoint, how can we sell something in this country that we have deemed is too cruel to produce ourselves? Typical case of letting someone do our dirty work for us.
Unless you are some legal expert 'J' I would tend to think Cllr Blanchard has done a bit more research into this than you have?
From an ethical, rather than a legal viewpoint, how can we sell something in this country that we have deemed is too cruel to produce ourselves? Typical case of letting someone do our dirty work for us.
Posted by: steve h on 12:41pm Tue 23 Jan 07
crap sports facilities,pathetic run down swimming baths,overpriced car parking, overbearing arrogant lib dem councillors who don t give a **** about the residents but we ve nipped the foie gras problem in the bud so i consider my council tax well spent.
crap sports facilities,pathetic run down swimming baths,overpriced car parking, overbearing arrogant lib dem councillors who don t give a **** about the residents but we ve nipped the foie gras problem in the bud so i consider my council tax well spent.
Posted by: Joe on 12:46pm Tue 23 Jan 07
i'd say that pain, suffering and torture are a little more important than silly sports facilities or swimming pools or whether its £2 or £3 to park your wretched car.
i'd say that pain, suffering and torture are a little more important than silly sports facilities or swimming pools or whether its £2 or £3 to park your wretched car.
Posted by: Rubbish on 12:49pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote]Posted by: Rubbish on 10:48am today
Pie in the sky, how do they expect to be able to stop supermarkets selling it?
I don't think they can.
Posted by: J on 12:35pm today
Despite his long reply He still hasn't clarified under which laws he has the power to stop this and uses the very weak and childish arguement that the current law is stupid. Whilst he may well disagree with the law he appears to be making statements that are un-enforcable without a legislative change which is not the same as York saying it is going to ban the product.
Despite his long reply He still hasn't clarified under which laws he has the power to stop this and uses the very weak and childish arguement that the current law is stupid. Whilst he may well disagree with the law he appears to be making statements that are un-enforcable without a legislative change which is not the same as York saying it is going to ban the product.
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Well Coun Blanchard, under what legislation are you going to ban it, please. Truth is, you can't and the whole story is attention seeking (diverting?) hot air.
Posted by: Rubbish on 10:48am today
Pie in the sky, how do they expect to be able to stop supermarkets selling it?
I don't think they can.
Posted by: J on 12:35pm today
Despite his long reply He still hasn't clarified under which laws he has the power to stop this and uses the very weak and childish arguement that the current law is stupid. Whilst he may well disagree with the law he appears to be making statements that are un-enforcable without a legislative change which is not the same as York saying it is going to ban the product.
Despite his long reply He still hasn't clarified under which laws he has the power to stop this and uses the very weak and childish arguement that the current law is stupid. Whilst he may well disagree with the law he appears to be making statements that are un-enforcable without a legislative change which is not the same as York saying it is going to ban the product.
Well Coun Blanchard, under what legislation are you going to ban it, please. Truth is, you can't and the whole story is attention seeking (diverting?) hot air.
Posted by: me on 12:52pm Tue 23 Jan 07
I'd prefer they banned **** like macdonalds or burger king then fois gras.
Both of those two have been responsible for more animal cruelty and deforestation then some posh resteraunt who wants to serve some silly dish.
I'd prefer they banned **** like macdonalds or burger king then fois gras.
Both of those two have been responsible for more animal cruelty and deforestation then some posh resteraunt who wants to serve some silly dish.
Posted by: Corrupt local govenment on 12:54pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote][bold]C[/bold] wrote:
I had no idea this process took place, its absolutely disgusting - i will never buy or eat it again ![/quote] You are an idiot if you don’t know what you are eating.
C wrote:
I had no idea this process took place, its absolutely disgusting - i will never buy or eat it again !
You are an idiot if you don’t know what you are eating.
Posted by: sr on 1:00pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Foi Gras is lovely. I eat it all the time when in France. The council has no right to interfere with our eating habits apart from the health and safety aspect. Just another **** pc and big brother is watching you view. Let us get on with what we have a choice of. Council, mind your own business!!!
Foi Gras is lovely. I eat it all the time when in France. The council has no right to interfere with our eating habits apart from the health and safety aspect. Just another **** pc and big brother is watching you view. Let us get on with what we have a choice of. Council, mind your own business!!!
Posted by: Rubbish on 1:00pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote]Posted by: Marvin on 12:40pm today
Unless you are some legal expert 'J' I would tend to think Cllr Blanchard has done a bit more research into this than you have? [/quote]
Like to bet? Can somebody enlighten us as to under which leglislation fois gras can be banned, please?
Posted by: Marvin on 12:40pm today
Unless you are some legal expert 'J' I would tend to think Cllr Blanchard has done a bit more research into this than you have?
Like to bet? Can somebody enlighten us as to under which leglislation fois gras can be banned, please?
Posted by: Money wasters on 1:03pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote][bold]steve h[/bold] wrote:
crap sports facilities,pathetic run down swimming baths,overpriced car parking, overbearing arrogant lib dem councillors who don t give a **** about the residents but we ve nipped the foie gras problem in the bud so i consider my council tax well spent.[/quote] Nail on the head Steve, well said!
steve h wrote:
crap sports facilities,pathetic run down swimming baths,overpriced car parking, overbearing arrogant lib dem councillors who don t give a **** about the residents but we ve nipped the foie gras problem in the bud so i consider my council tax well spent.
Nail on the head Steve, well said!
Posted by: Pte Frazer on 1:05pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Ever since they let peasants into the town hall we have been doomed.
Ever since they let peasants into the town hall we have been doomed.
Posted by: The Scientist on 1:10pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Most foie gras is produced in a brutal manner to supply a high demand, but I can't see how it's any worse than the treatment of battery hens though, and that's something that goes on in this country and could be banned. The ultimate choice lies with the consumer; everyone can help in influencing food production by getting off their backsides and making a difference with their own actions as consumers.
PS - foie gras is lovely though.
Most foie gras is produced in a brutal manner to supply a high demand, but I can't see how it's any worse than the treatment of battery hens though, and that's something that goes on in this country and could be banned. The ultimate choice lies with the consumer; everyone can help in influencing food production by getting off their backsides and making a difference with their own actions as consumers.
PS - foie gras is lovely though.
Posted by: DavidJ on 1:10pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Typical labour nothing changes spin.
Cllr Blanchard cannot ban the sale of fois gras or anything else for that matter. If this is the best we have to hope for as a replacement for our current brain dead council then god help us.
Big mistake for labour - with all the real problems the city has is this really the best headline Clown Blanchard and his team could come up with!!
Typical labour nothing changes spin.
Cllr Blanchard cannot ban the sale of fois gras or anything else for that matter. If this is the best we have to hope for as a replacement for our current brain dead council then god help us.
Big mistake for labour - with all the real problems the city has is this really the best headline Clown Blanchard and his team could come up with!!
Posted by: Ettienne on 1:53pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Whilst they're at it, why don't they try to ban halal or kosher meat? Do uou know how those animals are killed? Not very nice having your throat cut and bleeding to death. Oh, but such a ban would be seen as racist wouldn't it. Mustn't have that.
Whilst they're at it, why don't they try to ban halal or kosher meat? Do uou know how those animals are killed? Not very nice having your throat cut and bleeding to death. Oh, but such a ban would be seen as racist wouldn't it. Mustn't have that.
Posted by: DavidJ on 2:09pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Good point Ettienne - Our interfering but ineffective labour lot are unlikely to do anything that might upset some of their core voters. Any discussion around issues like that would bring the loony left mafia down on you quicker than you could say double standards gerrymandering
Good point Ettienne - Our interfering but ineffective labour lot are unlikely to do anything that might upset some of their core voters. Any discussion around issues like that would bring the loony left mafia down on you quicker than you could say double standards gerrymandering
Posted by: Champagne Socialist on 2:14pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Taste of things to come I'm afraid. Labour likes banning things and with only a few months to go before the smoking ban they will be already on the lookout for ideas of what to ban next. Can I suggest they ban stealth taxes or maybe just Gordon Brown in general!
Taste of things to come I'm afraid. Labour likes banning things and with only a few months to go before the smoking ban they will be already on the lookout for ideas of what to ban next. Can I suggest they ban stealth taxes or maybe just Gordon Brown in general!
Posted by: yorkie on 2:20pm Tue 23 Jan 07
yeh well said ettienne, i'd back you on that one, or do labour have a selective policy covering this, we know you are reading so answer blanchard.
yeh well said ettienne, i'd back you on that one, or do labour have a selective policy covering this, we know you are reading so answer blanchard.
Posted by: lynne on 2:41pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[bold]bold[/bold] Bonjour Ms Blanchard -Thanks for the joke ( re banning the sale of foie gras ) just remembered why I left York for the Sth of France !!! I could not park in the city , re-cycling was non-existant , dirty streets , anti-social behaviuor on the rise ,increasing council tax bills , failing social care ,closure of elderly accomodation units , in all not much to shout about . But you believe that banning a product will benefit York ? You are a local councillor who should be spending your time and the councils money on improving the city - please tell us how many of the people that voted for you have asked you to put this ban into place.
Get off your hobby horse and work for a living .
Bonjour Ms Blanchard -Thanks for the joke ( re banning the sale of foie gras ) just remembered why I left York for the Sth of France !!! I could not park in the city , re-cycling was non-existant , dirty streets , anti-social behaviuor on the rise ,increasing council tax bills , failing social care ,closure of elderly accomodation units , in all not much to shout about . But you believe that banning a product will benefit York ? You are a local councillor who should be spending your time and the councils money on improving the city - please tell us how many of the people that voted for you have asked you to put this ban into place.
Get off your hobby horse and work for a living .
Posted by: Marvin on 3:06pm Tue 23 Jan 07
How some of you sleep at night knowing the suffering and misery needed to feed your fat selfish bellies is beyond me. I would personally like to ram food down your throats with a pipe til your livers burst, as its probably the only way to teach the ignorant. But then again I imagine some of you stick enough food down your gullets anyway without even needing pipes or brutality.
A typical selfish attitude, don't care about misery and pain, just as long as you get your grub. Some of you posting on here should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves.
How some of you sleep at night knowing the suffering and misery needed to feed your fat selfish bellies is beyond me. I would personally like to ram food down your throats with a pipe til your livers burst, as its probably the only way to teach the ignorant. But then again I imagine some of you stick enough food down your gullets anyway without even needing pipes or brutality.
A typical selfish attitude, don't care about misery and pain, just as long as you get your grub. Some of you posting on here should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves.
Posted by: Beth on 3:29pm Tue 23 Jan 07
So are they going to ban Danish bacon next?
They treat their pigs a lot worse then veal calves and use farming practises banned in this country, which is why the bacon is so cheap.
The trouble is that applies to most imported and cheap meat, so where does it end?
So are they going to ban Danish bacon next?
They treat their pigs a lot worse then veal calves and use farming practises banned in this country, which is why the bacon is so cheap.
The trouble is that applies to most imported and cheap meat, so where does it end?
Posted by: T on 3:34pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Has anyone noticed how we are all arguing about a delicassy that we take forgranted we can afford and the advertisement in the middle of the page is about starving people who can hardly afford to stay alive...hmm either The Press is incredibly insensitive or they are taking the mickey out of everyone they know will write on here demanding their right to eat whatever they want.
Has anyone noticed how we are all arguing about a delicassy that we take forgranted we can afford and the advertisement in the middle of the page is about starving people who can hardly afford to stay alive...hmm either The Press is incredibly insensitive or they are taking the mickey out of everyone they know will write on here demanding their right to eat whatever they want.
Posted by: richard on 4:03pm Tue 23 Jan 07
To echo what a lot of people have already said. Under what law or legislation does this so called moral watchdog think they can ban Fois Gras? Who is this councillor to tell us what we can or cannot eat. Should or Should not eat. Do I force people to eat ribeye steaks just because i love them. Or force people not to eat celery purely because i think it is disgusting. Yes, Fois Gras maybe a little outdated manufacturing process. But bear inmind that all meat we eat is farmed. This means we force animals to fatten and mature before they natually would.
As already has been mentioned. Does the council of York have nothing better to spend money on in York. What about how dirty or city is? What about the poor road conditions? What about the lack of investment in bringing jobs to the city(other than call centre or tourism).
Surely York Council and any of its representatives should get their own house in order before attempting to tell law abiding tax payers what we should eat. I agree with one comment previously...ban Mcdonalds or Burgerking which are damaging humans health. Whats more important. Health of a duck or a human?
I think i may follow Lynn and move to France. York city council are being to irritate me no end and no doubt they'll be putting up the council tax again this year.
To echo what a lot of people have already said. Under what law or legislation does this so called moral watchdog think they can ban Fois Gras? Who is this councillor to tell us what we can or cannot eat. Should or Should not eat. Do I force people to eat ribeye steaks just because i love them. Or force people not to eat celery purely because i think it is disgusting. Yes, Fois Gras maybe a little outdated manufacturing process. But bear inmind that all meat we eat is farmed. This means we force animals to fatten and mature before they natually would.
As already has been mentioned. Does the council of York have nothing better to spend money on in York. What about how dirty or city is? What about the poor road conditions? What about the lack of investment in bringing jobs to the city(other than call centre or tourism).
Surely York Council and any of its representatives should get their own house in order before attempting to tell law abiding tax payers what we should eat. I agree with one comment previously...ban Mcdonalds or Burgerking which are damaging humans health. Whats more important. Health of a duck or a human?
I think i may follow Lynn and move to France. York city council are being to irritate me no end and no doubt they'll be putting up the council tax again this year.
Posted by: Vegetarian on 4:10pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Why do you all want to kill animals anyhow? You can obtain all the necessary nutrients by other more humane methods.
Why do you all want to kill animals anyhow? You can obtain all the necessary nutrients by other more humane methods.
Posted by: meat lover on 4:16pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote][bold]Vegetarian[/bold] wrote:
Why do you all want to kill animals anyhow? You can obtain all the necessary nutrients by other more humane methods.[/quote] do you want to share my nice bacon sarnie....lovely bit of pig.
dry cured too lurvlyyyyy.
Vegetarian wrote:
Why do you all want to kill animals anyhow? You can obtain all the necessary nutrients by other more humane methods.
do you want to share my nice bacon sarnie....lovely bit of pig.
dry cured too lurvlyyyyy.
Posted by: meat eater on 4:20pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote][bold]Vegetarian[/bold] wrote:
Why do you all want to kill animals anyhow? You can obtain all the necessary nutrients by other more humane methods.[/quote] Because they taste nice and its called the food chain. Its a natural part of being alive. When I'm lower down the food chain than, cows, pigs, lambs, chickens, deer and panda i will stop eating them.
Vegetarian wrote:
Why do you all want to kill animals anyhow? You can obtain all the necessary nutrients by other more humane methods.
Because they taste nice and its called the food chain. Its a natural part of being alive. When I'm lower down the food chain than, cows, pigs, lambs, chickens, deer and panda i will stop eating them.
Posted by: richard on 4:26pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote][bold]Vegetarian[/bold] wrote:
Why do you all want to kill animals anyhow? You can obtain all the necessary nutrients by other more humane methods.[/quote] Rubbish! We eat meat because we can. DO NOT tell others what they can and cannot eat. Do I suggest all vegetarians should give up lentils?? I think not. Accept our values! because we couldn't care less about yours
Vegetarian wrote:
Why do you all want to kill animals anyhow? You can obtain all the necessary nutrients by other more humane methods.
Rubbish! We eat meat because we can. DO NOT tell others what they can and cannot eat. Do I suggest all vegetarians should give up lentils?? I think not. Accept our values! because we couldn't care less about yours
Posted by: richard on 4:29pm Tue 23 Jan 07
incidently if we're at the top of the food chain, why can't we eat panda and gorilla?
incidently if we're at the top of the food chain, why can't we eat panda and gorilla?
Posted by: Joyce on 4:31pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote][bold]Money wasters[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]steve h[/bold] wrote: crap sports facilities,pathetic run down swimming baths,overpriced car parking, overbearing arrogant lib dem councillors who don t give a **** about the residents but we ve nipped the foie gras problem in the bud so i consider my council tax well spent.[/quote] Nail on the head Steve, well said![/quote] Blanchard is a member of the Labour opposition on the Council.
Kick Labour off the Council altogether in May if you don't want them to waste your money.
Money wasters wrote:
steve h wrote: crap sports facilities,pathetic run down swimming baths,overpriced car parking, overbearing arrogant lib dem councillors who don t give a **** about the residents but we ve nipped the foie gras problem in the bud so i consider my council tax well spent.
Nail on the head Steve, well said!
Blanchard is a member of the Labour opposition on the Council.
Kick Labour off the Council altogether in May if you don't want them to waste your money.
Posted by: Allan Ashworth on 4:33pm Tue 23 Jan 07
"Money Waster" is not living in the real world. Should we all not be in favour of banning cruelty - and this one is so easy to do.
"Money Waster" is not living in the real world. Should we all not be in favour of banning cruelty - and this one is so easy to do.
Posted by: ALD on 4:36pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Regardless of the merits or otherwise of foie gras I am certain that the Council Chamber is not the place to discuss this. Cllr Blanchard has the right to his opinion but his and other Councillor's time could and should be better spent in addressing mor pressing issues such as the poorer Council Tax settlement from the Government and the better use of available resources for the benefit of the older members of the City and other in need of social security services.
Regardless of the merits or otherwise of foie gras I am certain that the Council Chamber is not the place to discuss this. Cllr Blanchard has the right to his opinion but his and other Councillor's time could and should be better spent in addressing mor pressing issues such as the poorer Council Tax settlement from the Government and the better use of available resources for the benefit of the older members of the City and other in need of social security services.
Posted by: Donald Trump on 4:40pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Gorilla is tough (unless you eat the baby) and Panda is a bit too fatty for me (best if you cook it slowly with a Osprey egg up its arse.
Gorilla is tough (unless you eat the baby) and Panda is a bit too fatty for me (best if you cook it slowly with a Osprey egg up its arse.
Posted by: Rambler on 4:53pm Tue 23 Jan 07
I dont believe the local government is banning yet another food group, if people were that appaled the resteraunts would make no profit from selling it. This should be a matter of personal choice, most people are aware on how this is made and on the same point they are aware that it is one of the best kinds of liver to be used in many products.
I dont believe the local government is banning yet another food group, if people were that appaled the resteraunts would make no profit from selling it. This should be a matter of personal choice, most people are aware on how this is made and on the same point they are aware that it is one of the best kinds of liver to be used in many products.
Posted by: meat lover on 4:56pm Tue 23 Jan 07
ive never had gorilla,would like to try some,doubt tescos will have them.
badgers nice,b astards to find though...and i just love a bit of beaver...spit roasted is best
ive never had gorilla,would like to try some,doubt tescos will have them.
badgers nice,b astards to find though...and i just love a bit of beaver...spit roasted is best
Posted by: Vegetarian on 4:57pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Few of you macho meat eaters would have the guts to kill the animals yourself. Thank your lucky stars for Tesco's and the little red meaningless packages that ease your consciences.
Meat means suffering.
Meat means Murder.
Well done York Council!
Few of you macho meat eaters would have the guts to kill the animals yourself. Thank your lucky stars for Tesco's and the little red meaningless packages that ease your consciences.
Meat means suffering.
Meat means Murder.
Well done York Council!
Posted by: Charlie Croaker on 5:03pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Meat means “the flesh of an animal that is considered edible, especially a mammal or bird”
Since Little Mr Tony Bliar took away all our guns we have to thank Tesco’s for providing us with so much choice. BTW meat lover the rare animals are in the “Tesco’s Finest” isle. Very reasonable prices too. Split roast beaver mmmmm,
Meat means “the flesh of an animal that is considered edible, especially a mammal or bird”
Since Little Mr Tony Bliar took away all our guns we have to thank Tesco’s for providing us with so much choice. BTW meat lover the rare animals are in the “Tesco’s Finest” isle. Very reasonable prices too. Split roast beaver mmmmm,
Posted by: Vegetarian on 5:09pm Tue 23 Jan 07
From Right Charlie;
[quote]Meat means “the flesh of an animal that is considered edible, especially a mammal or bird”[/quote]
Well I never! We didn't know that did we kids?
From Right Charlie;
Meat means “the flesh of an animal that is considered edible, especially a mammal or bird”
Well I never! We didn't know that did we kids?
Posted by: meat lover on 5:11pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote][bold]Vegetarian[/bold] wrote:
Few of you macho meat eaters would have the guts to kill the animals yourself. Thank your lucky stars for Tesco's and the little red meaningless packages that ease your consciences. Meat means suffering. Meat means Murder. Well done York Council! [/quote] so why do we have canine teeth then?not to chew on lentils thats for sure.
black pudding.....lovely.....rare steak dripping in blood...yum....the smell of piggy sizzling in the pan...divine.
meat is murder....what you going to do about it??????
Vegetarian wrote:
Few of you macho meat eaters would have the guts to kill the animals yourself. Thank your lucky stars for Tesco's and the little red meaningless packages that ease your consciences. Meat means suffering. Meat means Murder. Well done York Council!
so why do we have canine teeth then?not to chew on lentils thats for sure.
black pudding.....lovely.....rare steak dripping in blood...yum....the smell of piggy sizzling in the pan...divine.
meat is murder....what you going to do about it??????
Posted by: Money wasters on 5:12pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Once had Guinea Pig in Peru, was lovely, bit rare though, bit of blood left on the plate.
Once had Guinea Pig in Peru, was lovely, bit rare though, bit of blood left on the plate.
Posted by: Vegetarian on 5:20pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote]what you going to do about it??????[/quote]
1)Not get wound up by imbeciles
2)Refuse to eat any type of meat
3)Not get mad cow disease like Yoooooooo!
what you going to do about it??????
1)Not get wound up by imbeciles
2)Refuse to eat any type of meat
3)Not get mad cow disease like Yoooooooo!
Posted by: Geoff on 5:23pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Just what has foie gras got to do with the running of York council.
They are elected to operate the City of York on our behalf, not to go off on some fashionable tangent.
If Mr Blanchard wants to change the eating habits of people then he should use it as his ticket to Westminster.
This has absolutley bugg4r-all to do with York Council!
What a way to spend our rates?
Just what has foie gras got to do with the running of York council.
They are elected to operate the City of York on our behalf, not to go off on some fashionable tangent.
If Mr Blanchard wants to change the eating habits of people then he should use it as his ticket to Westminster.
This has absolutley bugg4r-all to do with York Council!
What a way to spend our rates?
Posted by: edwina on 5:25pm Tue 23 Jan 07
that is excatly why I moved to France. to escape petty minded timewasting councils. if you dont like it or how it is produced dont eat it . its that simple. vegetarians do it all the time.
that is excatly why I moved to France. to escape petty minded timewasting councils. if you dont like it or how it is produced dont eat it . its that simple. vegetarians do it all the time.
Posted by: puppy love on 5:25pm Tue 23 Jan 07
candian geese are very sumptious,plenty about too.
ive got a recipe book on rare foods.
id like to try doggy while spit roasting a beaver.
candian geese are very sumptious,plenty about too.
ive got a recipe book on rare foods.
id like to try doggy while spit roasting a beaver.
Posted by: Geoff on 5:28pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote][bold]Vegetarian[/bold] wrote:
Few of you macho meat eaters would have the guts to kill the animals yourself. Thank your lucky stars for Tesco's and the little red meaningless packages that ease your consciences. Meat means suffering. Meat means Murder. Well done York Council! [/quote] Typical of a veggie. You're really saying "I don't eat meat and because of that, you can't eat meat either!"
It's no coincidence that when visiting veggies come we HAVE to provide them with veggie food, but when we visit veggies we HAVE to eat veggie food!
Don't preach, you haven't earned the right!
Vegetarian wrote:
Few of you macho meat eaters would have the guts to kill the animals yourself. Thank your lucky stars for Tesco's and the little red meaningless packages that ease your consciences. Meat means suffering. Meat means Murder. Well done York Council!
Typical of a veggie. You're really saying "I don't eat meat and because of that, you can't eat meat either!"
It's no coincidence that when visiting veggies come we HAVE to provide them with veggie food, but when we visit veggies we HAVE to eat veggie food!
Don't preach, you haven't earned the right!
Posted by: J on 5:33pm Tue 23 Jan 07
It doesn't have anything to do with York council but it has an awful lot to do with him being a member of Compassion in World Farming, something they failed to mention in the article but is quite easily found on the York council website and his own self promotion. Should he really be wasting the time and resources of the council to promote something that he clearly has a vested interest in when the majority of York residents would like him to deal with the more pressing issues, housing, jobs, transport, crime or are they too difficult?
It doesn't have anything to do with York council but it has an awful lot to do with him being a member of Compassion in World Farming, something they failed to mention in the article but is quite easily found on the York council website and his own self promotion. Should he really be wasting the time and resources of the council to promote something that he clearly has a vested interest in when the majority of York residents would like him to deal with the more pressing issues, housing, jobs, transport, crime or are they too difficult?
Posted by: Vegetarian on 5:46pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote]It's no coincidence that when visiting veggies come we HAVE to provide them with veggie food, but when we visit veggies we HAVE to eat veggie food![/quote]
Geoff, you should be grateful they visit - saves you killing another intelligent animal unnecessarily!
And what gave you the right to preach to me?
You are just like the rest of the ignorant carnivores who go on eating dead animals because their fathers did the same. Well it's about time you engaged your brain and worked it out for yourself. Read into in, look at the benefits and only then make the sarcastic comments.
It's no coincidence that when visiting veggies come we HAVE to provide them with veggie food, but when we visit veggies we HAVE to eat veggie food!
Geoff, you should be grateful they visit - saves you killing another intelligent animal unnecessarily!
And what gave you the right to preach to me?
You are just like the rest of the ignorant carnivores who go on eating dead animals because their fathers did the same. Well it's about time you engaged your brain and worked it out for yourself. Read into in, look at the benefits and only then make the sarcastic comments.
Posted by: Jacko on 5:54pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote]saves you killing another intelligent animal unnecessarily![/quote]
The only reason i eat Tuna is 'cos of all the Dolphin in it!
saves you killing another intelligent animal unnecessarily!
The only reason i eat Tuna is 'cos of all the Dolphin in it!
Posted by: Geoff on 5:55pm Tue 23 Jan 07
There you go again Vegetarian, preaching again!
Put another record on.
There you go again Vegetarian, preaching again!
Put another record on.
Posted by: steve h on 6:19pm Tue 23 Jan 07
i wasn t saying that blanchard is a lib-dem but he s just about as much use and as for joe belittling my comment about sports facilities etc. i d suggest that they are a sight more relevant to the residents than foie gras.i for one wouldn t miss it if i never had it again but it s my right to decide.
i wasn t saying that blanchard is a lib-dem but he s just about as much use and as for joe belittling my comment about sports facilities etc. i d suggest that they are a sight more relevant to the residents than foie gras.i for one wouldn t miss it if i never had it again but it s my right to decide.
Posted by: Louise on 6:31pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote][bold]Vegetarian[/bold] wrote:
[quote]what you going to do about it??????[/quote]
1)Not get wound up by imbeciles
2)Refuse to eat any type of meat
3)Not get mad cow disease like Yoooooooo![/quote] Veggies have died of mad cow disease too you know!
But on the subject of meat - I applaud the banning of this vile dish, it's time that the suffering of poultry was highlighted, all too often all we hear about is the inhumanity of the veal crate because calves are more visually appealing than hens, duck and geese. People who condemn the eating of veal are always happy to eat chicken and battery eggs.
I enjoy veal - calves are reared better, transported and slaughtered alot more humanely than any bird is.
Vegetarian wrote:
what you going to do about it??????
1)Not get wound up by imbeciles
2)Refuse to eat any type of meat
3)Not get mad cow disease like Yoooooooo!
Veggies have died of mad cow disease too you know!
But on the subject of meat - I applaud the banning of this vile dish, it's time that the suffering of poultry was highlighted, all too often all we hear about is the inhumanity of the veal crate because calves are more visually appealing than hens, duck and geese. People who condemn the eating of veal are always happy to eat chicken and battery eggs.
I enjoy veal - calves are reared better, transported and slaughtered alot more humanely than any bird is.
Posted by: Charlie Croaker on 6:39pm Tue 23 Jan 07
I bet vegetarians taste like ****. Saying that I would try one. How are they cooked?
I bet vegetarians taste like ****. Saying that I would try one. How are they cooked?
Posted by: meat is nice on 6:41pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote][bold]Jacko[/bold] wrote:
[quote]saves you killing another intelligent animal unnecessarily![/quote] The only reason i eat Tuna is 'cos of all the Dolphin in it![/quote] deep fried flipper,sounds yummy.
Jacko wrote:
saves you killing another intelligent animal unnecessarily!
The only reason i eat Tuna is 'cos of all the Dolphin in it!
deep fried flipper,sounds yummy.
Posted by: Hannibal Lecter on 6:44pm Tue 23 Jan 07
[quote][bold]Charlie Croaker[/bold] wrote:
I bet vegetarians taste like ****. Saying that I would try one. How are they cooked?[/quote] nah i wouldnt touch a veggie,they are so full of s hit
Charlie Croaker wrote:
I bet vegetarians taste like ****. Saying that I would try one. How are they cooked?
nah i wouldnt touch a veggie,they are so full of s hit
Posted by: meat eater on 6:49pm Tue 23 Jan 07
As of 2006 only 200 people have died worldwide of variant CJD. How many died in Iraq this week?
I suggest we start eating war mongering politicians.
As of 2006 only 200 people have died worldwide of variant CJD. How many died in Iraq this week?
I suggest we start eating war mongering politicians.
Posted by: Chevalier on 7:11pm Tue 23 Jan 07
I suppose horse will be off the menu next?
I suppose horse will be off the menu next?
Posted by: Ricky on 7:41pm Tue 23 Jan 07
It's a simple move to ban the sale of foie gras as the British government deemed the production of foie gras so abhorrent that it banned the practice, unfortunately like fur the sale of the product has been allowed to continue.
In matters such as these when the plain facts point to incredible cruelty to animals, and people are unwilling to give up this practice because they take some form of dubious pleasure from suffering, then it should be stopped by other means.
It's a simple move to ban the sale of foie gras as the British government deemed the production of foie gras so abhorrent that it banned the practice, unfortunately like fur the sale of the product has been allowed to continue.
In matters such as these when the plain facts point to incredible cruelty to animals, and people are unwilling to give up this practice because they take some form of dubious pleasure from suffering, then it should be stopped by other means.
Posted by: divine comment on 9:12pm Tue 23 Jan 07
never had the stuff. Prefer crab sticks.
Anyway, has Sentamu got a view point.
Bet he has!!!
never had the stuff. Prefer crab sticks.
Anyway, has Sentamu got a view point.
Bet he has!!!
Posted by: Big Jonny Sentamu on 9:22pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Bless you my children.
My sincere apologies for not giving my divine views sooner, alas I was having poached swan for my supper.
In answer to the above points, I can confirm that, mine and the Lord aboves view point, is one of total agreement with the belovered council.
The children should live on loaves and fishes, with the ocassional cheese straw. Amen.
Bless you my children.
My sincere apologies for not giving my divine views sooner, alas I was having poached swan for my supper.
In answer to the above points, I can confirm that, mine and the Lord aboves view point, is one of total agreement with the belovered council.
The children should live on loaves and fishes, with the ocassional cheese straw. Amen.
Posted by: Cllr Paul Blanchard on 9:27pm Tue 23 Jan 07
I see I have started a "robust" debate here. I have already addressed most of the previous comments re: haven't I got anything better to do, doesn't York have enough problems, mind my own business etc. So I don't propose to answer those again - those that still disagree with me are likely to continue to do so at this stage. The two unanswered questions to my mind are (1) what legal power does the council have to do this, and (2) why am I wasting the council's money. Well, (1) I would ask you to read the actual motion to Full Council which:
"resolves:
---> to instruct the Chief Executive to write to Ben Bradshaw MP, Minister of State responsible for Animal Welfare, informing him of this motion and asking for the production and sale of foie gras to be banned in the UK
---> to do as much as reasonably possible to discourage or prohibit the sale of foie gras within the authority area, whether in shops or restaurants”
So as you can see I have left it up to the local government lawyers to decide on how to best implement the spirit of the motion. The main thing is to use our full council meeting to debate - and raise awareness of – this terrible problem. Think global, but act local. It is, after all, the local democratic forum for councillors to raise issues of concern. I have the perfect right to do that whether you disagree with me or not.
As for (2) "costing the council money" - well, Full Council takes place every two months and is there to debate motions which are put forward. This is just one motion of many. Officers are salaried to advise on and implement any enacted motions, so this will not 'cost' the council any more money at all, whether agreed upon or not.
I see I have started a "robust" debate here. I have already addressed most of the previous comments re: haven't I got anything better to do, doesn't York have enough problems, mind my own business etc. So I don't propose to answer those again - those that still disagree with me are likely to continue to do so at this stage. The two unanswered questions to my mind are (1) what legal power does the council have to do this, and (2) why am I wasting the council's money. Well, (1) I would ask you to read the actual motion to Full Council which:
"resolves:
---> to instruct the Chief Executive to write to Ben Bradshaw MP, Minister of State responsible for Animal Welfare, informing him of this motion and asking for the production and sale of foie gras to be banned in the UK
---> to do as much as reasonably possible to discourage or prohibit the sale of foie gras within the authority area, whether in shops or restaurants”
So as you can see I have left it up to the local government lawyers to decide on how to best implement the spirit of the motion. The main thing is to use our full council meeting to debate - and raise awareness of – this terrible problem. Think global, but act local. It is, after all, the local democratic forum for councillors to raise issues of concern. I have the perfect right to do that whether you disagree with me or not.
As for (2) "costing the council money" - well, Full Council takes place every two months and is there to debate motions which are put forward. This is just one motion of many. Officers are salaried to advise on and implement any enacted motions, so this will not 'cost' the council any more money at all, whether agreed upon or not.
Posted by: J on 10:39pm Tue 23 Jan 07
For those interested to read about foie gras not written by animal rights representatives have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras
For those interested to read about foie gras not written by animal rights representatives have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras
Posted by: Martin on 11:58pm Tue 23 Jan 07
Oh ****, no more foie gras and tomato sauce sandwiches.
Oh ****, no more foie gras and tomato sauce sandwiches.
Posted by: Thomas Westgard on 2:18am Wed 24 Jan 07
What in God's name is my local alderman doing, interfering in York's local politics? Tell him to put down the phone and come fix my damned potholes!
What in God's name is my local alderman doing, interfering in York's local politics? Tell him to put down the phone and come fix my damned potholes!
Posted by: gene on 5:15am Wed 24 Jan 07
Thank you to councillor Paul Blanchard for promoting compassion and working to stop intolerable cruelty. Animal abuse, such as the force feeding of birds to make foie gras, can not be tolerated in a society that values compassion.
Thank you to councillor Paul Blanchard for promoting compassion and working to stop intolerable cruelty. Animal abuse, such as the force feeding of birds to make foie gras, can not be tolerated in a society that values compassion.
Posted by: Franco-File on 8:51am Wed 24 Jan 07
Its quite obvious that the vast majority of those who commented above, have absolutely no idea of how the geese and ducks used to produce foie gras, are actually treated.
Yet another example of letting people who have no 'knowledge' of the subject make descisions affecting the minority- remember fox hunting?
Its quite obvious that the vast majority of those who commented above, have absolutely no idea of how the geese and ducks used to produce foie gras, are actually treated.
Yet another example of letting people who have no 'knowledge' of the subject make descisions affecting the minority- remember fox hunting?
Posted by: T on 9:31am Wed 24 Jan 07
[quote][bold]Vegetarian[/bold] wrote:
[quote]what you going to do about it??????[/quote] 1)Not get wound up by imbeciles 2)Refuse to eat any type of meat 3)Not get mad cow disease like Yoooooooo![/quote] Hands up who's had mad cow disease, i sure havent. eating meat is natural and when the supermarkets stop selling it i will go out and kill it myself yes! Because every veggie i know looks like they are aneamic and about to snap! You probably do too! Stop trying to make people eat what you want them to, no-body cares what your opinions on the matter are because we are big enough and old enough to make our own.
Vegetarian wrote:
what you going to do about it??????
1)Not get wound up by imbeciles 2)Refuse to eat any type of meat 3)Not get mad cow disease like Yoooooooo!
Hands up who's had mad cow disease, i sure havent. eating meat is natural and when the supermarkets stop selling it i will go out and kill it myself yes! Because every veggie i know looks like they are aneamic and about to snap! You probably do too! Stop trying to make people eat what you want them to, no-body cares what your opinions on the matter are because we are big enough and old enough to make our own.
Posted by: rob on 9:50am Wed 24 Jan 07
[quote][bold]Vegetarian[/bold] wrote:
[quote]what you going to do about it??????[/quote] 1)Not get wound up by imbeciles 2)Refuse to eat any type of meat 3)Not get mad cow disease like Yoooooooo![/quote] That's your choice, but who are you to tell us what we can and can't eat?
Vegetarian wrote:
what you going to do about it??????
1)Not get wound up by imbeciles 2)Refuse to eat any type of meat 3)Not get mad cow disease like Yoooooooo!
That's your choice, but who are you to tell us what we can and can't eat?
Posted by: MuscleMan on 10:38am Wed 24 Jan 07
T - what do you mean that every veggie is anaemic and looks like they are about to snap? - How do you explain this then -that 50% of American Olympic Atheletes are vegetarian ? - it is in fact quite easy to explain, cos they know that is a MUCH healthier diet, which gives their bodies more energy, not less, and doesn't clog their arteries with fatty deposits. - think about it, why do meat eaters get so defensive? maybe because they know they are in the wrong perhaps?
T - what do you mean that every veggie is anaemic and looks like they are about to snap? - How do you explain this then -that 50% of American Olympic Atheletes are vegetarian ? - it is in fact quite easy to explain, cos they know that is a MUCH healthier diet, which gives their bodies more energy, not less, and doesn't clog their arteries with fatty deposits. - think about it, why do meat eaters get so defensive? maybe because they know they are in the wrong perhaps?
Posted by: J on 10:53am Wed 24 Jan 07
[quote][bold]MuscleMan[/bold] wrote:
T - what do you mean that every veggie is anaemic and looks like they are about to snap? - How do you explain this then -that 50% of American Olympic Atheletes are vegetarian ? - it is in fact quite easy to explain, cos they know that is a MUCH healthier diet, which gives their bodies more energy, not less, and doesn't clog their arteries with fatty deposits. - think about it, why do meat eaters get so defensive? maybe because they know they are in the wrong perhaps?[/quote] Is it becuase they are pumped full of drugs from Balco and then during the 1988 Olympics the body governing drug testing hid the facts that over 100 atheletes should have been banned but got away with it? But thats ok as long as no animals died.
They get defensive becuase like pretty much everyone they are sick to death of being lectured on how to live their lives by the nanny state, do gooders and tree huggers.
