High-speed rail hope for York Central

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YORK could be in line for a multimillion-pound windfall to kick-start a major development following the high-speed rail announcement, according to a city MP.

Hugh Bayley, MP for York Central, said connecting the East Coast Mainline near York to the high-speed link strengthened the case for the York Central development site, next to York station.

In a Commons debate, he called upon the Government to encourage investment in the site and safeguard land to build additional platforms for High Speed trains.

In reply, Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin said: “One of the things that we want to look at with this project is how we get regeneration in areas. This should open up huge potential, especially around station sites, for the north to benefit from connections with the rest of the country.”

Mr Bayley said: “York is one of the most interconnected stations in the north of England and it is best placed to act as an interchange for the whole region.

“I want High Speed 2 to build new platforms at York and York Central is ideally placed to accommodate these. The York Central site is huge and it provides enormous opportunities for York’s continued economic development.

“If York becomes the key interchange between High Speed trains and other rail services, it will benefit the whole region by boosting economic growth.”

Mr Bayley also plans to write to Business Secretary Vince Cable to support an application by City of York Council to the Government’s critical infrastructure investment fund.

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12:24pm Wed 30 Jan 13

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Big problem: any tracks that go through the York Central site will have to be curved. Curved to such an extent that the HS2 trains can't be accommodated. For the same reason GNER's Eurostar trains stopped at York - because they couldn't go any further north because the bends on the track were too acute. Other than a terminal station for HS2 trains (which would be unjustifiable with Leeds New Lane just 25 miles away), York Central just can't accommodate them. It isn't the right shape.
Big problem: any tracks that go through the York Central site will have to be curved. Curved to such an extent that the HS2 trains can't be accommodated. For the same reason GNER's Eurostar trains stopped at York - because they couldn't go any further north because the bends on the track were too acute. Other than a terminal station for HS2 trains (which would be unjustifiable with Leeds New Lane just 25 miles away), York Central just can't accommodate them. It isn't the right shape. Ignatius Lumpopo
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12:27pm Wed 30 Jan 13

roskoboskovic says...

there s that word again.COULD.
there s that word again.COULD. roskoboskovic
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12:48pm Wed 30 Jan 13

bob the builder says...

...why bother with York - no industry, low employment, lack of investment when Leeds is 20 miles away with all of that and more?
...why bother with York - no industry, low employment, lack of investment when Leeds is 20 miles away with all of that and more? bob the builder
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1:48pm Wed 30 Jan 13

KAT1965 says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
Big problem: any tracks that go through the York Central site will have to be curved. Curved to such an extent that the HS2 trains can't be accommodated. For the same reason GNER's Eurostar trains stopped at York - because they couldn't go any further north because the bends on the track were too acute. Other than a terminal station for HS2 trains (which would be unjustifiable with Leeds New Lane just 25 miles away), York Central just can't accommodate them. It isn't the right shape.
I think you will find it was more to do with power issues. The coaches were designed to be used on the very curvy tracks in South London which were impossible for HST stock to use.
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: Big problem: any tracks that go through the York Central site will have to be curved. Curved to such an extent that the HS2 trains can't be accommodated. For the same reason GNER's Eurostar trains stopped at York - because they couldn't go any further north because the bends on the track were too acute. Other than a terminal station for HS2 trains (which would be unjustifiable with Leeds New Lane just 25 miles away), York Central just can't accommodate them. It isn't the right shape.[/p][/quote]I think you will find it was more to do with power issues. The coaches were designed to be used on the very curvy tracks in South London which were impossible for HST stock to use. KAT1965
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2:02pm Wed 30 Jan 13

eboracum says...

It was nothing to do power issues, except for the power of the dummies at the DOT who refused to let two Eurostars pass each other on King Edward Bridge, Newcastle, thus scuppering any movement north of York!
It was nothing to do power issues, except for the power of the dummies at the DOT who refused to let two Eurostars pass each other on King Edward Bridge, Newcastle, thus scuppering any movement north of York! eboracum
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5:33pm Wed 30 Jan 13

yorkborn66 says...

bob the builder wrote:
...why bother with York - no industry, low employment, lack of investment when Leeds is 20 miles away with all of that and more?
Hate to agree , but yep that’s a fact
[quote][p][bold]bob the builder[/bold] wrote: ...why bother with York - no industry, low employment, lack of investment when Leeds is 20 miles away with all of that and more?[/p][/quote]Hate to agree , but yep that’s a fact yorkborn66
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8:59pm Wed 30 Jan 13

PinzaC55 says...

"“I want High Speed 2 to build new platforms at York and York Central is ideally placed to accommodate these. The York Central site is huge and it provides enormous opportunities for York’s continued economic development."

I would suggest that Hugh Bayley knows nothing about railways and since the plans aren't at any stage of firmness yet, what he "wants" is utterly irrelevant.
"“I want High Speed 2 to build new platforms at York and York Central is ideally placed to accommodate these. The York Central site is huge and it provides enormous opportunities for York’s continued economic development." I would suggest that Hugh Bayley knows nothing about railways and since the plans aren't at any stage of firmness yet, what he "wants" is utterly irrelevant. PinzaC55
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2:51am Thu 31 Jan 13

Magicman! says...

eboracum wrote:
It was nothing to do power issues, except for the power of the dummies at the DOT who refused to let two Eurostars pass each other on King Edward Bridge, Newcastle, thus scuppering any movement north of York!
But there was the High Level Bridge, and that did get used every now and then... in the early days of GNER's Eurostar's they did go through York before they got stuck on the Leeds rut. I know because on a week-long visit to see family in the Anglia region I ended up on the still-white Eurostar going southbound, and going north I was on the GNER liveried one... so both did see use through York.

I have to show similar skepticism for HS2 platforms through York though. HS2 needs straight tracks in order to still be fast. To do that through York would either mean the HS2 station would be out at Knapton and the route would take out a lot of Poppleton village, or have the route run parallel to the ECML until Copmanthorpe at which point it goes in a tunnel under the whole city, complete with subterrainian station (which would therefore void the need for HS2 platforms at the Central site), and trains not resurfacing until the A1237. The Manchester spur of HS2 will go through a 7.5 mile long tunnel from Manchester Airport until Ardwick, and having a tunnel under York would likely be a little bit shorter than this one.
[quote][p][bold]eboracum[/bold] wrote: It was nothing to do power issues, except for the power of the dummies at the DOT who refused to let two Eurostars pass each other on King Edward Bridge, Newcastle, thus scuppering any movement north of York![/p][/quote]But there was the High Level Bridge, and that did get used every now and then... in the early days of GNER's Eurostar's they did go through York before they got stuck on the Leeds rut. I know because on a week-long visit to see family in the Anglia region I ended up on the still-white Eurostar going southbound, and going north I was on the GNER liveried one... so both did see use through York. I have to show similar skepticism for HS2 platforms through York though. HS2 needs straight tracks in order to still be fast. To do that through York would either mean the HS2 station would be out at Knapton and the route would take out a lot of Poppleton village, or have the route run parallel to the ECML until Copmanthorpe at which point it goes in a tunnel under the whole city, complete with subterrainian station (which would therefore void the need for HS2 platforms at the Central site), and trains not resurfacing until the A1237. The Manchester spur of HS2 will go through a 7.5 mile long tunnel from Manchester Airport until Ardwick, and having a tunnel under York would likely be a little bit shorter than this one. Magicman!
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5:53am Thu 31 Jan 13

the butler says...

If this system is to be truly high speed then it would have to be mag-lev, which would require new track, another thing I would have to be encased in perspex glass for safety reasons.
Not a chance that it will be built in our time,
If this system is to be truly high speed then it would have to be mag-lev, which would require new track, another thing I would have to be encased in perspex glass for safety reasons. Not a chance that it will be built in our time, the butler
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9:02am Thu 31 Jan 13

xtc says...

We won't get it soon on news other night davenport Cameron said its going to be 5 or more years away but I agree why bother yorks got nothing to offer now!
We won't get it soon on news other night davenport Cameron said its going to be 5 or more years away but I agree why bother yorks got nothing to offer now! xtc
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4:27pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Stan2Attention says...

The plan is to take the new line all the way to Church Fenton so that trains can use the East Coast main line northwards to York and beyond. What a shame they didn't check if the trains could get through York before drawing up their plans. They'll be kicking themselves when they read the comments on here.
The plan is to take the new line all the way to Church Fenton so that trains can use the East Coast main line northwards to York and beyond. What a shame they didn't check if the trains could get through York before drawing up their plans. They'll be kicking themselves when they read the comments on here. Stan2Attention
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