Traders told to remove roadside notices advertising lifestyle event

York Press: Richard Keast, of Astek Garden Design with Paul Smith and Laura Thompson, of Quartz Travel, with a York Lifestyle board in Malton Road Richard Keast, of Astek Garden Design with Paul Smith and Laura Thompson, of Quartz Travel, with a York Lifestyle board in Malton Road

INDEPENDENT businesses said they are disappointed at the lack of support for York firms after being made to take down signs.

The group of 14 businesses is addressing the challenging retail environment by putting on York Lifestyle 2013, an exhibition to promote local independent retailers, while also raising money for brain injury charity York House.

The group put up about 30 signs around the York outer ring road and at places where people are often waiting in traffic to advertise York Lifestyle 2013, which takes place on February 2 and 3.

But complaints led City of York Council to demand the signs be taken down. The traders were ordered to take them down by today or pay £75 per sign as the council would remove them.

Richard Keast, owner of Astek Garden Design, one of the exhibitors at York Lifestyle 2013, which will take place at Dean’s Garden Centre in Stockton Lane, said: “We are disappointed because we feel like local businesses in York aren’t supporting an idea that’s good for local businesses and the economy.

“It’s not for a single salesperson; it’s a joint event that’s good for businesses in York and the signs would only be up for two weeks.”

Paul Smith, managing director of Quartz Travel, which is also taking part in the exhibition said signs were often put up at the roadside to advertise all sorts of things, from village fairs, election campaigns and the York800 festivities.

“We thought it was a good way of promoting a local independent event,” he said. “Why can’t we as independent retailers for a few weeks do the same to help not only our cause but charity at the same time?”

A spokeswoman for City of York Council said it was sympathetic to the traders and understood they wanted to promote the event. However, she said putting up signs on council-owned land was flyposting and was not allowed.

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7:59am Wed 23 Jan 13

AnotherPointofView says...

You will find hundreds of signs on the roads around York. Why is the Council choosing to make a fight on this case? It should prosecute everyone it finds or not bother.
You will find hundreds of signs on the roads around York. Why is the Council choosing to make a fight on this case? It should prosecute everyone it finds or not bother. AnotherPointofView

8:05am Wed 23 Jan 13

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

It's about time that the council took a leaf out of their own book on this issue, and remove the advertising signs on all the roundabouts on the ring road, which are a complete eyesore.
It's about time that the council took a leaf out of their own book on this issue, and remove the advertising signs on all the roundabouts on the ring road, which are a complete eyesore. NoNewsIsGoodNews

8:16am Wed 23 Jan 13

Mulgrave says...

NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
It's about time that the council took a leaf out of their own book on this issue, and remove the advertising signs on all the roundabouts on the ring road, which are a complete eyesore.
Absolutely, council tax payers could be on the hook for tens of thousands if there is an injury or worse due to someone reading the adverts and not the road.
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: It's about time that the council took a leaf out of their own book on this issue, and remove the advertising signs on all the roundabouts on the ring road, which are a complete eyesore.[/p][/quote]Absolutely, council tax payers could be on the hook for tens of thousands if there is an injury or worse due to someone reading the adverts and not the road. Mulgrave

8:45am Wed 23 Jan 13

yorkborn66 says...

But complaints led City of York Council to demand the signs be taken down. The traders were ordered to take them down by today or pay £75 per sign, as the council would remove them.

Nice little earner for the council then.
But complaints led City of York Council to demand the signs be taken down. The traders were ordered to take them down by today or pay £75 per sign, as the council would remove them. Nice little earner for the council then. yorkborn66

9:11am Wed 23 Jan 13

titfortat says...

What a blatent and cheap way of using the Press for a non story which has provided free advertising for this event. At the end of the day this group have broken the law -FACT. No doubt the Council were trying hard to work with the business but sounds like they saw an easy way to publicise their event by selling out to the press. These businessmen know what they are doing so why do they think they should be above the law?
What a blatent and cheap way of using the Press for a non story which has provided free advertising for this event. At the end of the day this group have broken the law -FACT. No doubt the Council were trying hard to work with the business but sounds like they saw an easy way to publicise their event by selling out to the press. These businessmen know what they are doing so why do they think they should be above the law? titfortat

9:15am Wed 23 Jan 13

old_geezer says...

Obviously there can't be a free-for-all, but couldn't the council have a signage booking system for for particular events, and fine organisers if they're not removed within the following week?
Obviously there can't be a free-for-all, but couldn't the council have a signage booking system for for particular events, and fine organisers if they're not removed within the following week? old_geezer

9:17am Wed 23 Jan 13

sjzl says...

Sounds like the council have tried to work with these people and asked them to take down the signs before actually charging anyone. Flyposting is illegal and if everyone was allowed to do it there would be ugly posters like this all over. It's unfair on businesses that advertise legally, yet somehow this lot have turned this into positive publicity for themselves.. Is this really what passes for news these days.

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/9582667.
Barber_facing_court_
bill_over_illegal_si
gns/
Sounds like the council have tried to work with these people and asked them to take down the signs before actually charging anyone. Flyposting is illegal and if everyone was allowed to do it there would be ugly posters like this all over. It's unfair on businesses that advertise legally, yet somehow this lot have turned this into positive publicity for themselves.. Is this really what passes for news these days. http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/9582667. Barber_facing_court_ bill_over_illegal_si gns/ sjzl

9:27am Wed 23 Jan 13

Garrowby Turnoff says...

titfortat wrote:
What a blatent and cheap way of using the Press for a non story which has provided free advertising for this event. At the end of the day this group have broken the law -FACT. No doubt the Council were trying hard to work with the business but sounds like they saw an easy way to publicise their event by selling out to the press. These businessmen know what they are doing so why do they think they should be above the law?
Enterprising I'd say. Times are tough for small businesses.

Good luck with the exhibition on... when was it... Oh yes 2nd and 3rd February at Deans Garden Centre, Stockton Lane. That's Deans Garden Centre, Stockton Lane on 2nd and 3rd February.
[quote][p][bold]titfortat[/bold] wrote: What a blatent and cheap way of using the Press for a non story which has provided free advertising for this event. At the end of the day this group have broken the law -FACT. No doubt the Council were trying hard to work with the business but sounds like they saw an easy way to publicise their event by selling out to the press. These businessmen know what they are doing so why do they think they should be above the law?[/p][/quote]Enterprising I'd say. Times are tough for small businesses. Good luck with the exhibition on... when was it... Oh yes 2nd and 3rd February at Deans Garden Centre, Stockton Lane. That's Deans Garden Centre, Stockton Lane on 2nd and 3rd February. Garrowby Turnoff

9:28am Wed 23 Jan 13

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

What gets me over this advertising lark is, who gets to decide what what see and what we don't see, as I said earlier, it's ok for the council to put ad boards on all the roundabouts along the ring road because they are obviously being paid handsomely for them, but if somebody was to put their own sign up it would be classed as flyposting?

Double standards as usual.
What gets me over this advertising lark is, who gets to decide what what see and what we don't see, as I said earlier, it's ok for the council to put ad boards on all the roundabouts along the ring road because they are obviously being paid handsomely for them, but if somebody was to put their own sign up it would be classed as flyposting? Double standards as usual. NoNewsIsGoodNews

9:46am Wed 23 Jan 13

bob the builder says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
You will find hundreds of signs on the roads around York. Why is the Council choosing to make a fight on this case? It should prosecute everyone it finds or not bother.
Exactly, but the council can put what they like on every other lampost on Tadcaster Road leave them to get tattered, and hanging by one fixing for years! There is always a plethora of signs attached to fencing opposite York College but as it's privately owned nothing is done. I also notice by the A59 Poppleton Roundabout and up to Clifton Moor there are always signs stuck in the council owned verge yet nothing is removed, is this because a nearby councillor has a financial interest in them?
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: You will find hundreds of signs on the roads around York. Why is the Council choosing to make a fight on this case? It should prosecute everyone it finds or not bother.[/p][/quote]Exactly, but the council can put what they like on every other lampost on Tadcaster Road leave them to get tattered, and hanging by one fixing for years! There is always a plethora of signs attached to fencing opposite York College but as it's privately owned nothing is done. I also notice by the A59 Poppleton Roundabout and up to Clifton Moor there are always signs stuck in the council owned verge yet nothing is removed, is this because a nearby councillor has a financial interest in them? bob the builder

10:02am Wed 23 Jan 13

Big Bad Wolf says...

Is it pure coincidence that the press are carrying an advert for this event?
I just clicked on the letters page and the advert fills the screen....

If I were a suspicious sort I'd think this story was all about advertising the event.
Is it pure coincidence that the press are carrying an advert for this event? I just clicked on the letters page and the advert fills the screen.... If I were a suspicious sort I'd think this story was all about advertising the event. Big Bad Wolf

10:02am Wed 23 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
It's about time that the council took a leaf out of their own book on this issue, and remove the advertising signs on all the roundabouts on the ring road, which are a complete eyesore.
The signs on the roundabouts are paid for on a rent basis to the council.
Not cheap either so you can understand if the advertisers complain when someone does the same for free.
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: It's about time that the council took a leaf out of their own book on this issue, and remove the advertising signs on all the roundabouts on the ring road, which are a complete eyesore.[/p][/quote]The signs on the roundabouts are paid for on a rent basis to the council. Not cheap either so you can understand if the advertisers complain when someone does the same for free. capt spaulding

10:06am Wed 23 Jan 13

capt spaulding says...

Lets not forget also that
the famous one a k a
Tezza
Plaggy Terry
Terry Smith
Cassic Cutz
Demon Barber of this Parish
Was indeed prosecuted for this very same advertising.
Lets not forget also that the famous one a k a Tezza Plaggy Terry Terry Smith Cassic Cutz Demon Barber of this Parish Was indeed prosecuted for this very same advertising. capt spaulding

10:19am Wed 23 Jan 13

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

capt spaulding wrote:
NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
It's about time that the council took a leaf out of their own book on this issue, and remove the advertising signs on all the roundabouts on the ring road, which are a complete eyesore.
The signs on the roundabouts are paid for on a rent basis to the council.
Not cheap either so you can understand if the advertisers complain when someone does the same for free.
So going back to my point of, who gets to decide what we see or don't see.
It would seem that the council decide but only if you stuff their pockets full of cash.
[quote][p][bold]capt spaulding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: It's about time that the council took a leaf out of their own book on this issue, and remove the advertising signs on all the roundabouts on the ring road, which are a complete eyesore.[/p][/quote]The signs on the roundabouts are paid for on a rent basis to the council. Not cheap either so you can understand if the advertisers complain when someone does the same for free.[/p][/quote]So going back to my point of, who gets to decide what we see or don't see. It would seem that the council decide but only if you stuff their pockets full of cash. NoNewsIsGoodNews

10:20am Wed 23 Jan 13

sortyorkout says...

I totally agree with the removal of these signs. There are far too many now littering our streets. If you want to advertise an event, may I suggest you go via the AA who will install (and take down afterwards) yellow signs along the main routes into York. Yes, there is a small charge but it's not as much as the £75 per sign you will be charged if you leave the council to take these down.
I totally agree with the removal of these signs. There are far too many now littering our streets. If you want to advertise an event, may I suggest you go via the AA who will install (and take down afterwards) yellow signs along the main routes into York. Yes, there is a small charge but it's not as much as the £75 per sign you will be charged if you leave the council to take these down. sortyorkout

10:29am Wed 23 Jan 13

pedalling paul says...

There is a percetion that signs other than road traffic ones can distract road users and cause collisions. If that happens, someone will end up in an even bigger legal pickle......
There is a percetion that signs other than road traffic ones can distract road users and cause collisions. If that happens, someone will end up in an even bigger legal pickle...... pedalling paul

10:29am Wed 23 Jan 13

roskoboskovic says...

the councillors would be well advised to take a walk around the city centre and see the number of empty and run down properties before they start penalising businesses for showing some initiative.isn t that the way of jobsworths the world over though,give them a smidgeon of authority and by god they ll use it.
the councillors would be well advised to take a walk around the city centre and see the number of empty and run down properties before they start penalising businesses for showing some initiative.isn t that the way of jobsworths the world over though,give them a smidgeon of authority and by god they ll use it. roskoboskovic

10:31am Wed 23 Jan 13

A user says...

Same in Selby. I put one up but it got removed without me knowing! Councils are happy to take our money but not so eager to help us!
Same in Selby. I put one up but it got removed without me knowing! Councils are happy to take our money but not so eager to help us! A user

10:41am Wed 23 Jan 13

jasonsaxo says...

titfortat wrote:
What a blatent and cheap way of using the Press for a non story which has provided free advertising for this event. At the end of the day this group have broken the law -FACT. No doubt the Council were trying hard to work with the business but sounds like they saw an easy way to publicise their event by selling out to the press. These businessmen know what they are doing so why do they think they should be above the law?
I am led to believe that the business' involved in this exhibition have spent several thousands of pounds in promoting this event with most of the local media, helping boost the local economy and keeping people in jobs. If local Independent Business' are not given opportunities to develop we will lose them and have no High Street left especiially the way all the Nationals are going into administration at the moment. We will only be left with the Internet to buy from. I am also aware that the council have not been involved with this event whatsoever. They seem not to have followed proper procedure in asking for these signs to be taken down either. This suggests a total lack of co-operation on their behalf. I also think that people are forgetting that the event is also to raise awareness and much needed funds for two local charities - York House and York Against Cancer. There is also a saying about "The Law" making reference to it as some kind of donkey!!!
[quote][p][bold]titfortat[/bold] wrote: What a blatent and cheap way of using the Press for a non story which has provided free advertising for this event. At the end of the day this group have broken the law -FACT. No doubt the Council were trying hard to work with the business but sounds like they saw an easy way to publicise their event by selling out to the press. These businessmen know what they are doing so why do they think they should be above the law?[/p][/quote]I am led to believe that the business' involved in this exhibition have spent several thousands of pounds in promoting this event with most of the local media, helping boost the local economy and keeping people in jobs. If local Independent Business' are not given opportunities to develop we will lose them and have no High Street left especiially the way all the Nationals are going into administration at the moment. We will only be left with the Internet to buy from. I am also aware that the council have not been involved with this event whatsoever. They seem not to have followed proper procedure in asking for these signs to be taken down either. This suggests a total lack of co-operation on their behalf. I also think that people are forgetting that the event is also to raise awareness and much needed funds for two local charities - York House and York Against Cancer. There is also a saying about "The Law" making reference to it as some kind of donkey!!! jasonsaxo

10:42am Wed 23 Jan 13

jasonsaxo says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
the councillors would be well advised to take a walk around the city centre and see the number of empty and run down properties before they start penalising businesses for showing some initiative.isn t that the way of jobsworths the world over though,give them a smidgeon of authority and by god they ll use it.
I am led to believe that the business' involved in this exhibition have spent several thousands of pounds in promoting this event with most of the local media, helping boost the local economy and keeping people in jobs. If local Independent Business' are not given opportunities to develop we will lose them and have no High Street left especiially the way all the Nationals are going into administration at the moment. We will only be left with the Internet to buy from. I am also aware that the council have not been involved with this event whatsoever. They seem not to have followed proper procedure in asking for these signs to be taken down either. This suggests a total lack of co-operation on their behalf. I also think that people are forgetting that the event is also to raise awareness and much needed funds for two local charities - York House and York Against Cancer. There is also a saying about "The Law" making reference to it as some kind of donkey!!!
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: the councillors would be well advised to take a walk around the city centre and see the number of empty and run down properties before they start penalising businesses for showing some initiative.isn t that the way of jobsworths the world over though,give them a smidgeon of authority and by god they ll use it.[/p][/quote]I am led to believe that the business' involved in this exhibition have spent several thousands of pounds in promoting this event with most of the local media, helping boost the local economy and keeping people in jobs. If local Independent Business' are not given opportunities to develop we will lose them and have no High Street left especiially the way all the Nationals are going into administration at the moment. We will only be left with the Internet to buy from. I am also aware that the council have not been involved with this event whatsoever. They seem not to have followed proper procedure in asking for these signs to be taken down either. This suggests a total lack of co-operation on their behalf. I also think that people are forgetting that the event is also to raise awareness and much needed funds for two local charities - York House and York Against Cancer. There is also a saying about "The Law" making reference to it as some kind of donkey!!! jasonsaxo

10:44am Wed 23 Jan 13

jasonsaxo says...

NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
What gets me over this advertising lark is, who gets to decide what what see and what we don't see, as I said earlier, it's ok for the council to put ad boards on all the roundabouts along the ring road because they are obviously being paid handsomely for them, but if somebody was to put their own sign up it would be classed as flyposting?

Double standards as usual.
Why don't the council introduce a temporary fee? As far as I am aware this option does not exist. But I am happy to be enlightened!!
[quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: What gets me over this advertising lark is, who gets to decide what what see and what we don't see, as I said earlier, it's ok for the council to put ad boards on all the roundabouts along the ring road because they are obviously being paid handsomely for them, but if somebody was to put their own sign up it would be classed as flyposting? Double standards as usual.[/p][/quote]Why don't the council introduce a temporary fee? As far as I am aware this option does not exist. But I am happy to be enlightened!! jasonsaxo

10:47am Wed 23 Jan 13

jasonsaxo says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
You will find hundreds of signs on the roads around York. Why is the Council choosing to make a fight on this case? It should prosecute everyone it finds or not bother.
Exactly. It seems that the most influential can get things done if it is in their interest without proper process. Corruption on a local political level me-thinks.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: You will find hundreds of signs on the roads around York. Why is the Council choosing to make a fight on this case? It should prosecute everyone it finds or not bother.[/p][/quote]Exactly. It seems that the most influential can get things done if it is in their interest without proper process. Corruption on a local political level me-thinks. jasonsaxo

10:50am Wed 23 Jan 13

jasonsaxo says...

sjzl wrote:
Sounds like the council have tried to work with these people and asked them to take down the signs before actually charging anyone. Flyposting is illegal and if everyone was allowed to do it there would be ugly posters like this all over. It's unfair on businesses that advertise legally, yet somehow this lot have turned this into positive publicity for themselves.. Is this really what passes for news these days.

http://www.yorkpress

.co.uk/news/9582667.

Barber_facing_court_

bill_over_illegal_si

gns/
The council have not tried to work with this group of Independent Retailers. They have simply responded to complaints by what would seem to be jelaous competitors who have no business enterprise.
It is news because here we have some business' doing something very different and trying to promote it in such difficult times. Yet they are being harrased for an event for charity. The signs are also only temporary.
[quote][p][bold]sjzl[/bold] wrote: Sounds like the council have tried to work with these people and asked them to take down the signs before actually charging anyone. Flyposting is illegal and if everyone was allowed to do it there would be ugly posters like this all over. It's unfair on businesses that advertise legally, yet somehow this lot have turned this into positive publicity for themselves.. Is this really what passes for news these days. http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/9582667. Barber_facing_court_ bill_over_illegal_si gns/[/p][/quote]The council have not tried to work with this group of Independent Retailers. They have simply responded to complaints by what would seem to be jelaous competitors who have no business enterprise. It is news because here we have some business' doing something very different and trying to promote it in such difficult times. Yet they are being harrased for an event for charity. The signs are also only temporary. jasonsaxo

10:53am Wed 23 Jan 13

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...

jasonsaxo wrote:
NoNewsIsGoodNews wrote:
What gets me over this advertising lark is, who gets to decide what what see and what we don't see, as I said earlier, it's ok for the council to put ad boards on all the roundabouts along the ring road because they are obviously being paid handsomely for them, but if somebody was to put their own sign up it would be classed as flyposting?

Double standards as usual.
Why don't the council introduce a temporary fee? As far as I am aware this option does not exist. But I am happy to be enlightened!!
Sorry Jason, are you asking me the answer to that question? because if you are then I haven't got a clue?
[quote][p][bold]jasonsaxo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NoNewsIsGoodNews[/bold] wrote: What gets me over this advertising lark is, who gets to decide what what see and what we don't see, as I said earlier, it's ok for the council to put ad boards on all the roundabouts along the ring road because they are obviously being paid handsomely for them, but if somebody was to put their own sign up it would be classed as flyposting? Double standards as usual.[/p][/quote]Why don't the council introduce a temporary fee? As far as I am aware this option does not exist. But I am happy to be enlightened!![/p][/quote]Sorry Jason, are you asking me the answer to that question? because if you are then I haven't got a clue? NoNewsIsGoodNews

12:28pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Hank E Panky says...

Naughty people fixing signs to posts etc. You should get a few horses and put signs round their necks - they will stand for days at the roadside and nobody will move them.
Naughty people fixing signs to posts etc. You should get a few horses and put signs round their necks - they will stand for days at the roadside and nobody will move them. Hank E Panky

12:34pm Wed 23 Jan 13

titfortat says...

Big Bad Wolf wrote:
Is it pure coincidence that the press are carrying an advert for this event? I just clicked on the letters page and the advert fills the screen.... If I were a suspicious sort I'd think this story was all about advertising the event.
Great point and very pertinent. Something fishy with this tale me thinks!
[quote][p][bold]Big Bad Wolf[/bold] wrote: Is it pure coincidence that the press are carrying an advert for this event? I just clicked on the letters page and the advert fills the screen.... If I were a suspicious sort I'd think this story was all about advertising the event.[/p][/quote]Great point and very pertinent. Something fishy with this tale me thinks! titfortat

12:54pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Riverdeep says...

Typical of York Council - In my opinion they are weak, lazy and reactive.
It's about time they got pro-active with their responsibilities instead of allowing others to push their buttons.
The city is awash with illegal signs and now they want to single out an enterprising group that want to do something good for the local economy & charities in challenging economic times.
Shame on you York Council.
Typical of York Council - In my opinion they are weak, lazy and reactive. It's about time they got pro-active with their responsibilities instead of allowing others to push their buttons. The city is awash with illegal signs and now they want to single out an enterprising group that want to do something good for the local economy & charities in challenging economic times. Shame on you York Council. Riverdeep

1:06pm Wed 23 Jan 13

maybejustmaybe says...

Whatever happened to the crackdown on 'A' boards in the city centre? They seem to be getting out of hand again.
Whatever happened to the crackdown on 'A' boards in the city centre? They seem to be getting out of hand again. maybejustmaybe

2:09pm Wed 23 Jan 13

alfie says...

Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice.
Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice. alfie

2:10pm Wed 23 Jan 13

A Northerner in Pembrokeshire says...

Wow .. so many comments on this story... To me I think its a good thing that the group are trying to push themselves forward and using any means to get their message out! So many traders have their signs up and around the city, so why should this be any different.... and why not flag it up to The Press when they have to be taken down? Its a method of getting the awareness out that is open to many people... just not everyone chooses to use it... Good on them and good luck with the event I say!
Wow .. so many comments on this story... To me I think its a good thing that the group are trying to push themselves forward and using any means to get their message out! So many traders have their signs up and around the city, so why should this be any different.... and why not flag it up to The Press when they have to be taken down? Its a method of getting the awareness out that is open to many people... just not everyone chooses to use it... Good on them and good luck with the event I say! A Northerner in Pembrokeshire

2:11pm Wed 23 Jan 13

A Northerner in Pembrokeshire says...

alfie wrote:
Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice.
A lifestyle exhibition? what more do you need to know ha ha ! How much details would you like to see on their signs!
[quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice.[/p][/quote]A lifestyle exhibition? what more do you need to know ha ha ! How much details would you like to see on their signs! A Northerner in Pembrokeshire

2:39pm Wed 23 Jan 13

mjr119 says...

Am I missing something? These signs are bang out of order.

If a business tries to help itself by not paying PAYE or by doing 'cash jobs', they are rightly deemed a disgrace.

If you put signs up on land that doesn't belong to you, you should either pay for it or not put them there in the first place.

Placing signage anywhere other than your own premises costs money. Deal with it.
Am I missing something? These signs are bang out of order. If a business tries to help itself by not paying PAYE or by doing 'cash jobs', they are rightly deemed a disgrace. If you put signs up on land that doesn't belong to you, you should either pay for it or not put them there in the first place. Placing signage anywhere other than your own premises costs money. Deal with it. mjr119

3:29pm Wed 23 Jan 13

south bronx red 2 says...

Pay for proper advertising.
I see tat strune all over Britain.
Lamp posts are not advert posts.
If they are "handy" make an offer to pay who owns them.
Pay for proper advertising. I see tat strune all over Britain. Lamp posts are not advert posts. If they are "handy" make an offer to pay who owns them. south bronx red 2

3:48pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Lifeis4living says...

Seriously !! Is this really fair considering that all of these employers are employing lots of people ..Having been made redundant from Jessops Id rather my employers get of their backsides and do something about their business than sit back on the Laurels. at least initiative has been used to help all their businesses to surive these very tough climates.. I am all having a job which im struggling to find than worring about a bill board.
Seriously !! Is this really fair considering that all of these employers are employing lots of people ..Having been made redundant from Jessops Id rather my employers get of their backsides and do something about their business than sit back on the Laurels. at least initiative has been used to help all their businesses to surive these very tough climates.. I am all having a job which im struggling to find than worring about a bill board. Lifeis4living

3:49pm Wed 23 Jan 13

bigbrotherseye says...

My My what an interesting debate.
Can I say it truly sickens me when all of you small minded biggotts have nothing else better to do that try and ruin small business chance of growth.
Millions of pounds per year are paid to York Council in tax that is earned by the business, so surely the should have the right to advertise.
I think personally you all need to get a grip! instead of curtain twitching go out there and look for the real in justice, under age drinkers, smokers, vandals, petty criminals, or offer your support to a charity rather than trying to destroy hard working individuals who are trying to make a difference in there community and to the people who wish to share there products and services.
You obviously are to narrow minded to see what is good in this area and only see the negatives. I am sure if it was your own family, sons, daughters etc trying to make it work in todays current climate you would back them 100% . so dig deep, look for that community spirit, close your curtains and either put up or shut up!! thank you.
My My what an interesting debate. Can I say it truly sickens me when all of you small minded biggotts have nothing else better to do that try and ruin small business chance of growth. Millions of pounds per year are paid to York Council in tax that is earned by the business, so surely the should have the right to advertise. I think personally you all need to get a grip! instead of curtain twitching go out there and look for the real in justice, under age drinkers, smokers, vandals, petty criminals, or offer your support to a charity rather than trying to destroy hard working individuals who are trying to make a difference in there community and to the people who wish to share there products and services. You obviously are to narrow minded to see what is good in this area and only see the negatives. I am sure if it was your own family, sons, daughters etc trying to make it work in todays current climate you would back them 100% . so dig deep, look for that community spirit, close your curtains and either put up or shut up!! thank you. bigbrotherseye

4:02pm Wed 23 Jan 13

mjr119 says...

bigbrotherseye wrote:
My My what an interesting debate.
Can I say it truly sickens me when all of you small minded biggotts have nothing else better to do that try and ruin small business chance of growth.
Millions of pounds per year are paid to York Council in tax that is earned by the business, so surely the should have the right to advertise.
I think personally you all need to get a grip! instead of curtain twitching go out there and look for the real in justice, under age drinkers, smokers, vandals, petty criminals, or offer your support to a charity rather than trying to destroy hard working individuals who are trying to make a difference in there community and to the people who wish to share there products and services.
You obviously are to narrow minded to see what is good in this area and only see the negatives. I am sure if it was your own family, sons, daughters etc trying to make it work in todays current climate you would back them 100% . so dig deep, look for that community spirit, close your curtains and either put up or shut up!! thank you.
The point is, we could all do lots of good for people and increase the profitability of our businesses if we didn't obey the law.

I pay council tax - am I alright putting a vegetable patch in the verge outside my neighbour's house? It wouldn't harm anyone, would reduce my outgoings and provide my children with healthy food.

Am I alright to put my excess rubbish in the public bin opposite me? I pay my council tax after all.

As is the case with this story, unless everyone is able to do it or I've paid extra for the privilege - doing as you please to suit your own ends isn't an acceptable way to carry on.

As a side point - how you are drawing any similarities between underage smokers and illegal advertising?
[quote][p][bold]bigbrotherseye[/bold] wrote: My My what an interesting debate. Can I say it truly sickens me when all of you small minded biggotts have nothing else better to do that try and ruin small business chance of growth. Millions of pounds per year are paid to York Council in tax that is earned by the business, so surely the should have the right to advertise. I think personally you all need to get a grip! instead of curtain twitching go out there and look for the real in justice, under age drinkers, smokers, vandals, petty criminals, or offer your support to a charity rather than trying to destroy hard working individuals who are trying to make a difference in there community and to the people who wish to share there products and services. You obviously are to narrow minded to see what is good in this area and only see the negatives. I am sure if it was your own family, sons, daughters etc trying to make it work in todays current climate you would back them 100% . so dig deep, look for that community spirit, close your curtains and either put up or shut up!! thank you.[/p][/quote]The point is, we could all do lots of good for people and increase the profitability of our businesses if we didn't obey the law. I pay council tax - am I alright putting a vegetable patch in the verge outside my neighbour's house? It wouldn't harm anyone, would reduce my outgoings and provide my children with healthy food. Am I alright to put my excess rubbish in the public bin opposite me? I pay my council tax after all. As is the case with this story, unless everyone is able to do it or I've paid extra for the privilege - doing as you please to suit your own ends isn't an acceptable way to carry on. As a side point - how you are drawing any similarities between underage smokers and illegal advertising? mjr119

4:06pm Wed 23 Jan 13

jasonsaxo says...

titfortat wrote:
Big Bad Wolf wrote:
Is it pure coincidence that the press are carrying an advert for this event? I just clicked on the letters page and the advert fills the screen.... If I were a suspicious sort I'd think this story was all about advertising the event.
Great point and very pertinent. Something fishy with this tale me thinks!
In case people had not noticed, The Press are "supporting" this event, and good on them. Someone in this city, in fact the country, needs to support Independent Retailers. Otherwise we will all buy everything from Tesco's on-line.
[quote][p][bold]titfortat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Big Bad Wolf[/bold] wrote: Is it pure coincidence that the press are carrying an advert for this event? I just clicked on the letters page and the advert fills the screen.... If I were a suspicious sort I'd think this story was all about advertising the event.[/p][/quote]Great point and very pertinent. Something fishy with this tale me thinks![/p][/quote]In case people had not noticed, The Press are "supporting" this event, and good on them. Someone in this city, in fact the country, needs to support Independent Retailers. Otherwise we will all buy everything from Tesco's on-line. jasonsaxo

4:10pm Wed 23 Jan 13

jasonsaxo says...

Riverdeep wrote:
Typical of York Council - In my opinion they are weak, lazy and reactive.
It's about time they got pro-active with their responsibilities instead of allowing others to push their buttons.
The city is awash with illegal signs and now they want to single out an enterprising group that want to do something good for the local economy & charities in challenging economic times.
Shame on you York Council.
Great points Riverdeep. Something needs to be done to stimulate our economy and it looks like it is to be local Independent Retailers whio have taken up the gauntlet. We are after all a "nation of shopkeepers".
[quote][p][bold]Riverdeep[/bold] wrote: Typical of York Council - In my opinion they are weak, lazy and reactive. It's about time they got pro-active with their responsibilities instead of allowing others to push their buttons. The city is awash with illegal signs and now they want to single out an enterprising group that want to do something good for the local economy & charities in challenging economic times. Shame on you York Council.[/p][/quote]Great points Riverdeep. Something needs to be done to stimulate our economy and it looks like it is to be local Independent Retailers whio have taken up the gauntlet. We are after all a "nation of shopkeepers". jasonsaxo

4:14pm Wed 23 Jan 13

jasonsaxo says...

A Northerner in Pembrokeshire wrote:
Wow .. so many comments on this story... To me I think its a good thing that the group are trying to push themselves forward and using any means to get their message out! So many traders have their signs up and around the city, so why should this be any different.... and why not flag it up to The Press when they have to be taken down? Its a method of getting the awareness out that is open to many people... just not everyone chooses to use it... Good on them and good luck with the event I say!
That is the attitude this country needs more of rather. As opposed to trying to pull the rug from under those who are prepared to make a difference for us all. Good luck to them too.
[quote][p][bold]A Northerner in Pembrokeshire[/bold] wrote: Wow .. so many comments on this story... To me I think its a good thing that the group are trying to push themselves forward and using any means to get their message out! So many traders have their signs up and around the city, so why should this be any different.... and why not flag it up to The Press when they have to be taken down? Its a method of getting the awareness out that is open to many people... just not everyone chooses to use it... Good on them and good luck with the event I say![/p][/quote]That is the attitude this country needs more of rather. As opposed to trying to pull the rug from under those who are prepared to make a difference for us all. Good luck to them too. jasonsaxo

4:21pm Wed 23 Jan 13

jasonsaxo says...

mjr119 wrote:
Am I missing something? These signs are bang out of order.

If a business tries to help itself by not paying PAYE or by doing 'cash jobs', they are rightly deemed a disgrace.

If you put signs up on land that doesn't belong to you, you should either pay for it or not put them there in the first place.

Placing signage anywhere other than your own premises costs money. Deal with it.
Perhaps you are!!! The signs are to promote an exhibition that will raise the profile of the business' involved admittedly but also raise much needed funds for local charities York Against Cancer and York House Ventures. So these are not simply business' promoting themselves to sell their products / services.
[quote][p][bold]mjr119[/bold] wrote: Am I missing something? These signs are bang out of order. If a business tries to help itself by not paying PAYE or by doing 'cash jobs', they are rightly deemed a disgrace. If you put signs up on land that doesn't belong to you, you should either pay for it or not put them there in the first place. Placing signage anywhere other than your own premises costs money. Deal with it.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you are!!! The signs are to promote an exhibition that will raise the profile of the business' involved admittedly but also raise much needed funds for local charities York Against Cancer and York House Ventures. So these are not simply business' promoting themselves to sell their products / services. jasonsaxo

4:42pm Wed 23 Jan 13

A Northerner in Pembrokeshire says...

For me reading this... Yes there is a point that the signs should not be used if there is a law against it. HOWEVER they are by many businesses, events etc. used regularly on a frequent basis.

The question that is lacking here is if it is one rule for one then it should be the same for everyone.

Why was this particular signage flagged up in the way it was?

I support this exhibition, though not the signage, but I can see why the traders decided to use them when every other Tom Dick and Harry seem to get away with it day after day!

Good luck to them! And council be more consistent! I think that is the real issue here!
For me reading this... Yes there is a point that the signs should not be used if there is a law against it. HOWEVER they are by many businesses, events etc. used regularly on a frequent basis. The question that is lacking here is if it is one rule for one then it should be the same for everyone. Why was this particular signage flagged up in the way it was? I support this exhibition, though not the signage, but I can see why the traders decided to use them when every other Tom Dick and Harry seem to get away with it day after day! Good luck to them! And council be more consistent! I think that is the real issue here! A Northerner in Pembrokeshire

4:46pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Big Bad Wolf says...

jasonsaxo wrote:
mjr119 wrote:
Am I missing something? These signs are bang out of order.

If a business tries to help itself by not paying PAYE or by doing 'cash jobs', they are rightly deemed a disgrace.

If you put signs up on land that doesn't belong to you, you should either pay for it or not put them there in the first place.

Placing signage anywhere other than your own premises costs money. Deal with it.
Perhaps you are!!! The signs are to promote an exhibition that will raise the profile of the business' involved admittedly but also raise much needed funds for local charities York Against Cancer and York House Ventures. So these are not simply business' promoting themselves to sell their products / services.
You seem to have an great deal to say on this subject Jason, you have added a comment to each post on here...

Are you maybe something to do with the organisation of the event perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]jasonsaxo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mjr119[/bold] wrote: Am I missing something? These signs are bang out of order. If a business tries to help itself by not paying PAYE or by doing 'cash jobs', they are rightly deemed a disgrace. If you put signs up on land that doesn't belong to you, you should either pay for it or not put them there in the first place. Placing signage anywhere other than your own premises costs money. Deal with it.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you are!!! The signs are to promote an exhibition that will raise the profile of the business' involved admittedly but also raise much needed funds for local charities York Against Cancer and York House Ventures. So these are not simply business' promoting themselves to sell their products / services.[/p][/quote]You seem to have an great deal to say on this subject Jason, you have added a comment to each post on here... Are you maybe something to do with the organisation of the event perhaps? Big Bad Wolf

4:56pm Wed 23 Jan 13

alfie says...

A Northerner in Pembrokeshire wrote:
alfie wrote:
Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice.
A lifestyle exhibition? what more do you need to know ha ha ! How much details would you like to see on their signs!
I take it you have something to do with this then? Again what is a lifestyle exhibition it could be anything it means nothing to me without reading the above it could have been an exhibition on outdoor pursuits part of a healthy lifestyle, it also makes me think of double glazing. Perhaps next time you/they need to invest a bit more in who does the marketing/advertisin
g as something you can see clearly does not always appear so to others, its what you call thinking outside the box.
[quote][p][bold]A Northerner in Pembrokeshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice.[/p][/quote]A lifestyle exhibition? what more do you need to know ha ha ! How much details would you like to see on their signs![/p][/quote]I take it you have something to do with this then? Again what is a lifestyle exhibition it could be anything it means nothing to me without reading the above it could have been an exhibition on outdoor pursuits part of a healthy lifestyle, it also makes me think of double glazing. Perhaps next time you/they need to invest a bit more in who does the marketing/advertisin g as something you can see clearly does not always appear so to others, its what you call thinking outside the box. alfie

4:57pm Wed 23 Jan 13

y0rkshir3lass says...

I'm going to assume that those who are responding negatively to this story do not support local independents and would rather put their money towards 'money grabbing nationals' who very rarely care about the individual customer? At least these guys are trying to do something good for the local economy and local businesses or would people rather see another increase in unemployment in North Yorkshire?
I'm going to assume that those who are responding negatively to this story do not support local independents and would rather put their money towards 'money grabbing nationals' who very rarely care about the individual customer? At least these guys are trying to do something good for the local economy and local businesses or would people rather see another increase in unemployment in North Yorkshire? y0rkshir3lass

5:07pm Wed 23 Jan 13

A Northerner in Pembrokeshire says...

alfie wrote:
A Northerner in Pembrokeshire wrote:
alfie wrote:
Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice.
A lifestyle exhibition? what more do you need to know ha ha ! How much details would you like to see on their signs!
I take it you have something to do with this then? Again what is a lifestyle exhibition it could be anything it means nothing to me without reading the above it could have been an exhibition on outdoor pursuits part of a healthy lifestyle, it also makes me think of double glazing. Perhaps next time you/they need to invest a bit more in who does the marketing/advertisin

g as something you can see clearly does not always appear so to others, its what you call thinking outside the box.
I'm not involved with the event, being based in Pembrokeshire...

However to me lifestyle means health issues, home improvements, furniture and all many of things surrounding it. An exhibition of Lifestyle to me would mean a taster from each of those topics... But the URL on the site could provide further information.

Why do you always have to think outside the box.. sometimes the simplest method is the best.....and I think the signs do the job needed rather than trying to give all the information over it communicates the essentials in a timely fashion rather than over complicating it... these are roadside signs after all...
[quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Northerner in Pembrokeshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice.[/p][/quote]A lifestyle exhibition? what more do you need to know ha ha ! How much details would you like to see on their signs![/p][/quote]I take it you have something to do with this then? Again what is a lifestyle exhibition it could be anything it means nothing to me without reading the above it could have been an exhibition on outdoor pursuits part of a healthy lifestyle, it also makes me think of double glazing. Perhaps next time you/they need to invest a bit more in who does the marketing/advertisin g as something you can see clearly does not always appear so to others, its what you call thinking outside the box.[/p][/quote]I'm not involved with the event, being based in Pembrokeshire... However to me lifestyle means health issues, home improvements, furniture and all many of things surrounding it. An exhibition of Lifestyle to me would mean a taster from each of those topics... But the URL on the site could provide further information. Why do you always have to think outside the box.. sometimes the simplest method is the best.....and I think the signs do the job needed rather than trying to give all the information over it communicates the essentials in a timely fashion rather than over complicating it... these are roadside signs after all... A Northerner in Pembrokeshire

5:12pm Wed 23 Jan 13

alfie says...

A Northerner in Pembrokeshire wrote:
alfie wrote:
A Northerner in Pembrokeshire wrote:
alfie wrote:
Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice.
A lifestyle exhibition? what more do you need to know ha ha ! How much details would you like to see on their signs!
I take it you have something to do with this then? Again what is a lifestyle exhibition it could be anything it means nothing to me without reading the above it could have been an exhibition on outdoor pursuits part of a healthy lifestyle, it also makes me think of double glazing. Perhaps next time you/they need to invest a bit more in who does the marketing/advertisin


g as something you can see clearly does not always appear so to others, its what you call thinking outside the box.
I'm not involved with the event, being based in Pembrokeshire...

However to me lifestyle means health issues, home improvements, furniture and all many of things surrounding it. An exhibition of Lifestyle to me would mean a taster from each of those topics... But the URL on the site could provide further information.

Why do you always have to think outside the box.. sometimes the simplest method is the best.....and I think the signs do the job needed rather than trying to give all the information over it communicates the essentials in a timely fashion rather than over complicating it... these are roadside signs after all...
Your not listening I just told you my opinion on what I thought it looked like, I am not against advertising boards but my opinion is the board means absolutely nothing to me, when I said thinking outside the box I mean thinking what it looks like through the eyes of others who do not know what it is. I am sure I am not the only one.
[quote][p][bold]A Northerner in Pembrokeshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Northerner in Pembrokeshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice.[/p][/quote]A lifestyle exhibition? what more do you need to know ha ha ! How much details would you like to see on their signs![/p][/quote]I take it you have something to do with this then? Again what is a lifestyle exhibition it could be anything it means nothing to me without reading the above it could have been an exhibition on outdoor pursuits part of a healthy lifestyle, it also makes me think of double glazing. Perhaps next time you/they need to invest a bit more in who does the marketing/advertisin g as something you can see clearly does not always appear so to others, its what you call thinking outside the box.[/p][/quote]I'm not involved with the event, being based in Pembrokeshire... However to me lifestyle means health issues, home improvements, furniture and all many of things surrounding it. An exhibition of Lifestyle to me would mean a taster from each of those topics... But the URL on the site could provide further information. Why do you always have to think outside the box.. sometimes the simplest method is the best.....and I think the signs do the job needed rather than trying to give all the information over it communicates the essentials in a timely fashion rather than over complicating it... these are roadside signs after all...[/p][/quote]Your not listening I just told you my opinion on what I thought it looked like, I am not against advertising boards but my opinion is the board means absolutely nothing to me, when I said thinking outside the box I mean thinking what it looks like through the eyes of others who do not know what it is. I am sure I am not the only one. alfie

5:17pm Wed 23 Jan 13

mjr119 says...

y0rkshir3lass wrote:
I'm going to assume that those who are responding negatively to this story do not support local independents and would rather put their money towards 'money grabbing nationals' who very rarely care about the individual customer? At least these guys are trying to do something good for the local economy and local businesses or would people rather see another increase in unemployment in North Yorkshire?
Yes, I am Barry Tesco.

I would be all for the signs if all local businesses were allocated a space where they could advertise free of charge.

But that isn't the case - so some businesses that the p*** and others operate legally.

Equally, the charity angle is a diversion. At least one of the businesses involved in this event uses the same methods - indeed, some of their boards are out at present.
[quote][p][bold]y0rkshir3lass[/bold] wrote: I'm going to assume that those who are responding negatively to this story do not support local independents and would rather put their money towards 'money grabbing nationals' who very rarely care about the individual customer? At least these guys are trying to do something good for the local economy and local businesses or would people rather see another increase in unemployment in North Yorkshire?[/p][/quote]Yes, I am Barry Tesco. I would be all for the signs if all local businesses were allocated a space where they could advertise free of charge. But that isn't the case - so some businesses that the p*** and others operate legally. Equally, the charity angle is a diversion. At least one of the businesses involved in this event uses the same methods - indeed, some of their boards are out at present. mjr119

5:21pm Wed 23 Jan 13

jasonsaxo says...

alfie wrote:
A Northerner in Pembrokeshire wrote:
alfie wrote:
Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice.
A lifestyle exhibition? what more do you need to know ha ha ! How much details would you like to see on their signs!
I take it you have something to do with this then? Again what is a lifestyle exhibition it could be anything it means nothing to me without reading the above it could have been an exhibition on outdoor pursuits part of a healthy lifestyle, it also makes me think of double glazing. Perhaps next time you/they need to invest a bit more in who does the marketing/advertisin

g as something you can see clearly does not always appear so to others, its what you call thinking outside the box.
There is only so much you can put on a sign as people either drive by or are seeing it from a distance. I take it you do not buy The Press but make use of this free service instead. If you did buy the Press you would have seen a supplement in The Press yesterday all about the exhibition, exhibitors and charity. There have also been adverts on this website too. But because these are local business' they do not have the advertising budgets of the big nationals so cannot make more people aware of what they are trying to do.
[quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Northerner in Pembrokeshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice.[/p][/quote]A lifestyle exhibition? what more do you need to know ha ha ! How much details would you like to see on their signs![/p][/quote]I take it you have something to do with this then? Again what is a lifestyle exhibition it could be anything it means nothing to me without reading the above it could have been an exhibition on outdoor pursuits part of a healthy lifestyle, it also makes me think of double glazing. Perhaps next time you/they need to invest a bit more in who does the marketing/advertisin g as something you can see clearly does not always appear so to others, its what you call thinking outside the box.[/p][/quote]There is only so much you can put on a sign as people either drive by or are seeing it from a distance. I take it you do not buy The Press but make use of this free service instead. If you did buy the Press you would have seen a supplement in The Press yesterday all about the exhibition, exhibitors and charity. There have also been adverts on this website too. But because these are local business' they do not have the advertising budgets of the big nationals so cannot make more people aware of what they are trying to do. jasonsaxo

5:22pm Wed 23 Jan 13

A Northerner in Pembrokeshire says...

alfie wrote:
A Northerner in Pembrokeshire wrote:
alfie wrote:
A Northerner in Pembrokeshire wrote:
alfie wrote:
Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice.
A lifestyle exhibition? what more do you need to know ha ha ! How much details would you like to see on their signs!
I take it you have something to do with this then? Again what is a lifestyle exhibition it could be anything it means nothing to me without reading the above it could have been an exhibition on outdoor pursuits part of a healthy lifestyle, it also makes me think of double glazing. Perhaps next time you/they need to invest a bit more in who does the marketing/advertisin



g as something you can see clearly does not always appear so to others, its what you call thinking outside the box.
I'm not involved with the event, being based in Pembrokeshire...

However to me lifestyle means health issues, home improvements, furniture and all many of things surrounding it. An exhibition of Lifestyle to me would mean a taster from each of those topics... But the URL on the site could provide further information.

Why do you always have to think outside the box.. sometimes the simplest method is the best.....and I think the signs do the job needed rather than trying to give all the information over it communicates the essentials in a timely fashion rather than over complicating it... these are roadside signs after all...
Your not listening I just told you my opinion on what I thought it looked like, I am not against advertising boards but my opinion is the board means absolutely nothing to me, when I said thinking outside the box I mean thinking what it looks like through the eyes of others who do not know what it is. I am sure I am not the only one.
Sorry Alfie, it appears I misread your comment in a different way to what you intended. It read (to me) in a different way to what you seem to have intended.

I agree that the board will mean different things to different people, and I'm sure others will have your view that it is not informative enough to them, where as others will think it communicates the message clearly.

That's one of the tricky things about marketing I suppose, things have different meanings to different people...
[quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Northerner in Pembrokeshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Northerner in Pembrokeshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice.[/p][/quote]A lifestyle exhibition? what more do you need to know ha ha ! How much details would you like to see on their signs![/p][/quote]I take it you have something to do with this then? Again what is a lifestyle exhibition it could be anything it means nothing to me without reading the above it could have been an exhibition on outdoor pursuits part of a healthy lifestyle, it also makes me think of double glazing. Perhaps next time you/they need to invest a bit more in who does the marketing/advertisin g as something you can see clearly does not always appear so to others, its what you call thinking outside the box.[/p][/quote]I'm not involved with the event, being based in Pembrokeshire... However to me lifestyle means health issues, home improvements, furniture and all many of things surrounding it. An exhibition of Lifestyle to me would mean a taster from each of those topics... But the URL on the site could provide further information. Why do you always have to think outside the box.. sometimes the simplest method is the best.....and I think the signs do the job needed rather than trying to give all the information over it communicates the essentials in a timely fashion rather than over complicating it... these are roadside signs after all...[/p][/quote]Your not listening I just told you my opinion on what I thought it looked like, I am not against advertising boards but my opinion is the board means absolutely nothing to me, when I said thinking outside the box I mean thinking what it looks like through the eyes of others who do not know what it is. I am sure I am not the only one.[/p][/quote]Sorry Alfie, it appears I misread your comment in a different way to what you intended. It read (to me) in a different way to what you seem to have intended. I agree that the board will mean different things to different people, and I'm sure others will have your view that it is not informative enough to them, where as others will think it communicates the message clearly. That's one of the tricky things about marketing I suppose, things have different meanings to different people... A Northerner in Pembrokeshire

5:24pm Wed 23 Jan 13

alfie says...

jasonsaxo wrote:
alfie wrote:
A Northerner in Pembrokeshire wrote:
alfie wrote:
Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice.
A lifestyle exhibition? what more do you need to know ha ha ! How much details would you like to see on their signs!
I take it you have something to do with this then? Again what is a lifestyle exhibition it could be anything it means nothing to me without reading the above it could have been an exhibition on outdoor pursuits part of a healthy lifestyle, it also makes me think of double glazing. Perhaps next time you/they need to invest a bit more in who does the marketing/advertisin


g as something you can see clearly does not always appear so to others, its what you call thinking outside the box.
There is only so much you can put on a sign as people either drive by or are seeing it from a distance. I take it you do not buy The Press but make use of this free service instead. If you did buy the Press you would have seen a supplement in The Press yesterday all about the exhibition, exhibitors and charity. There have also been adverts on this website too. But because these are local business' they do not have the advertising budgets of the big nationals so cannot make more people aware of what they are trying to do.
"people either drive by or are seeing it from a distance" You've hit the nail on the head the logo is to faint and random.
[quote][p][bold]jasonsaxo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Northerner in Pembrokeshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: Personally I dont think the sign explained much about what the event is and so I would have ignored it anyway however a nice juicy spot in press should suffice.[/p][/quote]A lifestyle exhibition? what more do you need to know ha ha ! How much details would you like to see on their signs![/p][/quote]I take it you have something to do with this then? Again what is a lifestyle exhibition it could be anything it means nothing to me without reading the above it could have been an exhibition on outdoor pursuits part of a healthy lifestyle, it also makes me think of double glazing. Perhaps next time you/they need to invest a bit more in who does the marketing/advertisin g as something you can see clearly does not always appear so to others, its what you call thinking outside the box.[/p][/quote]There is only so much you can put on a sign as people either drive by or are seeing it from a distance. I take it you do not buy The Press but make use of this free service instead. If you did buy the Press you would have seen a supplement in The Press yesterday all about the exhibition, exhibitors and charity. There have also been adverts on this website too. But because these are local business' they do not have the advertising budgets of the big nationals so cannot make more people aware of what they are trying to do.[/p][/quote]"people either drive by or are seeing it from a distance" You've hit the nail on the head the logo is to faint and random. alfie

5:29pm Wed 23 Jan 13

jasonsaxo says...

Big Bad Wolf wrote:
jasonsaxo wrote:
mjr119 wrote:
Am I missing something? These signs are bang out of order.

If a business tries to help itself by not paying PAYE or by doing 'cash jobs', they are rightly deemed a disgrace.

If you put signs up on land that doesn't belong to you, you should either pay for it or not put them there in the first place.

Placing signage anywhere other than your own premises costs money. Deal with it.
Perhaps you are!!! The signs are to promote an exhibition that will raise the profile of the business' involved admittedly but also raise much needed funds for local charities York Against Cancer and York House Ventures. So these are not simply business' promoting themselves to sell their products / services.
You seem to have an great deal to say on this subject Jason, you have added a comment to each post on here...

Are you maybe something to do with the organisation of the event perhaps?
It is a subject I am very passionate about. I strongly disagree with the monopolies that the likes of Tesco et al have and the service that follows. How the government allows this to happen is beyond me (maybe not actually). I would rather see more local shops supported by local people with better quality products and services. The money then stays local rather than being syphoned out of our economy to The Cayman Isles or wherever. If that makes me something to do with the event then so be it.
[quote][p][bold]Big Bad Wolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonsaxo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mjr119[/bold] wrote: Am I missing something? These signs are bang out of order. If a business tries to help itself by not paying PAYE or by doing 'cash jobs', they are rightly deemed a disgrace. If you put signs up on land that doesn't belong to you, you should either pay for it or not put them there in the first place. Placing signage anywhere other than your own premises costs money. Deal with it.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you are!!! The signs are to promote an exhibition that will raise the profile of the business' involved admittedly but also raise much needed funds for local charities York Against Cancer and York House Ventures. So these are not simply business' promoting themselves to sell their products / services.[/p][/quote]You seem to have an great deal to say on this subject Jason, you have added a comment to each post on here... Are you maybe something to do with the organisation of the event perhaps?[/p][/quote]It is a subject I am very passionate about. I strongly disagree with the monopolies that the likes of Tesco et al have and the service that follows. How the government allows this to happen is beyond me (maybe not actually). I would rather see more local shops supported by local people with better quality products and services. The money then stays local rather than being syphoned out of our economy to The Cayman Isles or wherever. If that makes me something to do with the event then so be it. jasonsaxo

5:30pm Wed 23 Jan 13

A Northerner in Pembrokeshire says...

Alfie... in your opinion... I think the Logo is creative and effective. But that is my opinion :)
Alfie... in your opinion... I think the Logo is creative and effective. But that is my opinion :) A Northerner in Pembrokeshire

5:37pm Wed 23 Jan 13

jasonsaxo says...

mjr119 wrote:
y0rkshir3lass wrote:
I'm going to assume that those who are responding negatively to this story do not support local independents and would rather put their money towards 'money grabbing nationals' who very rarely care about the individual customer? At least these guys are trying to do something good for the local economy and local businesses or would people rather see another increase in unemployment in North Yorkshire?
Yes, I am Barry Tesco.

I would be all for the signs if all local businesses were allocated a space where they could advertise free of charge.

But that isn't the case - so some businesses that the p*** and others operate legally.

Equally, the charity angle is a diversion. At least one of the businesses involved in this event uses the same methods - indeed, some of their boards are out at present.
I appreciate your points in regard to support for local business but I think it somewhat harsh that you see the charity angle as a diversion. Have you looked at the work York House do? And the work York Against Cancer do needs no introduction.
[quote][p][bold]mjr119[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]y0rkshir3lass[/bold] wrote: I'm going to assume that those who are responding negatively to this story do not support local independents and would rather put their money towards 'money grabbing nationals' who very rarely care about the individual customer? At least these guys are trying to do something good for the local economy and local businesses or would people rather see another increase in unemployment in North Yorkshire?[/p][/quote]Yes, I am Barry Tesco. I would be all for the signs if all local businesses were allocated a space where they could advertise free of charge. But that isn't the case - so some businesses that the p*** and others operate legally. Equally, the charity angle is a diversion. At least one of the businesses involved in this event uses the same methods - indeed, some of their boards are out at present.[/p][/quote]I appreciate your points in regard to support for local business but I think it somewhat harsh that you see the charity angle as a diversion. Have you looked at the work York House do? And the work York Against Cancer do needs no introduction. jasonsaxo

5:42pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Lufc85 says...

Disappointing to see negative comments and a lack of support when we should be celebrating York businesses taking a brave step to work together in what is currently a difficult economic climate.

Great to hear business owners looking to grow while supporting local charities within the region

Good luck to all involved and I hope to hear positive feedback from the event.
Disappointing to see negative comments and a lack of support when we should be celebrating York businesses taking a brave step to work together in what is currently a difficult economic climate. Great to hear business owners looking to grow while supporting local charities within the region Good luck to all involved and I hope to hear positive feedback from the event. Lufc85

5:44pm Wed 23 Jan 13

mjr119 says...

jasonsaxo wrote:
mjr119 wrote:
y0rkshir3lass wrote:
I'm going to assume that those who are responding negatively to this story do not support local independents and would rather put their money towards 'money grabbing nationals' who very rarely care about the individual customer? At least these guys are trying to do something good for the local economy and local businesses or would people rather see another increase in unemployment in North Yorkshire?
Yes, I am Barry Tesco.

I would be all for the signs if all local businesses were allocated a space where they could advertise free of charge.

But that isn't the case - so some businesses that the p*** and others operate legally.

Equally, the charity angle is a diversion. At least one of the businesses involved in this event uses the same methods - indeed, some of their boards are out at present.
I appreciate your points in regard to support for local business but I think it somewhat harsh that you see the charity angle as a diversion. Have you looked at the work York House do? And the work York Against Cancer do needs no introduction.
You're missing my point. You cannot claim that as there is a charity angle to an event it absolves all those involved from acting in a lawful manner.

All these charities do wonderful work - maybe you could all pay for advertising space at the side of the road and the council could distribute the funds among the charities? If that was what was happening, I would happily back it.
[quote][p][bold]jasonsaxo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mjr119[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]y0rkshir3lass[/bold] wrote: I'm going to assume that those who are responding negatively to this story do not support local independents and would rather put their money towards 'money grabbing nationals' who very rarely care about the individual customer? At least these guys are trying to do something good for the local economy and local businesses or would people rather see another increase in unemployment in North Yorkshire?[/p][/quote]Yes, I am Barry Tesco. I would be all for the signs if all local businesses were allocated a space where they could advertise free of charge. But that isn't the case - so some businesses that the p*** and others operate legally. Equally, the charity angle is a diversion. At least one of the businesses involved in this event uses the same methods - indeed, some of their boards are out at present.[/p][/quote]I appreciate your points in regard to support for local business but I think it somewhat harsh that you see the charity angle as a diversion. Have you looked at the work York House do? And the work York Against Cancer do needs no introduction.[/p][/quote]You're missing my point. You cannot claim that as there is a charity angle to an event it absolves all those involved from acting in a lawful manner. All these charities do wonderful work - maybe you could all pay for advertising space at the side of the road and the council could distribute the funds among the charities? If that was what was happening, I would happily back it. mjr119

7:13pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Funnyian says...

Give them a chance, someone comes up with a great idea like this the along comes York powers that be and tries their best to spoil it, what is it because private companies want to try and promote their trades or the council aren’t getting a cut!
Well York traders you have my support
Give them a chance, someone comes up with a great idea like this the along comes York powers that be and tries their best to spoil it, what is it because private companies want to try and promote their trades or the council aren’t getting a cut! Well York traders you have my support Funnyian

8:07pm Wed 23 Jan 13

wigwamman says...

Blimey! I've come to this late. It strikes me that the Council are giving this event far from a level playing field. Am I the only one who remembers signs for Selby Game Fair, Stamp Fairs, Castle Howard Events, Malton Food Festival decorating York for lengthy periods.
Blimey! I've come to this late. It strikes me that the Council are giving this event far from a level playing field. Am I the only one who remembers signs for Selby Game Fair, Stamp Fairs, Castle Howard Events, Malton Food Festival decorating York for lengthy periods. wigwamman

8:08pm Wed 23 Jan 13

wigwamman says...

Blimey! I've come to this late. It strikes me that the Council are giving this event far from a level playing field. Am I the only one who remembers signs for Selby Game Fair, Stamp Fairs, Castle Howard Events, Malton Food Festival decorating York for lengthy periods.
Blimey! I've come to this late. It strikes me that the Council are giving this event far from a level playing field. Am I the only one who remembers signs for Selby Game Fair, Stamp Fairs, Castle Howard Events, Malton Food Festival decorating York for lengthy periods. wigwamman

8:27pm Wed 23 Jan 13

wigwamman says...

A user wrote:
Same in Selby. I put one up but it got removed without me knowing! Councils are happy to take our money but not so eager to help us!
When is fly posting not fly posting? When you pay £3000 for a permanent metal sign in a roundabout - so no issue there about distracting drivers?

Clearly councils want to keep that easy money coming in & want to extract £75/sign.

So the issue is money, not policy or the beauty of the urban lanscape.

Some cities like to tell visitors what's on, so why not advertise events on officially sanctioned panels on the main routes into the city. The precedent is there already with brown tourist signs pointing out permanent destinations. Most brown signs are paid for by businesses - I wonder if that's the case in York for the really big ones. Follow the money!
[quote][p][bold]A user[/bold] wrote: Same in Selby. I put one up but it got removed without me knowing! Councils are happy to take our money but not so eager to help us![/p][/quote]When is fly posting not fly posting? When you pay £3000 for a permanent metal sign in a roundabout - so no issue there about distracting drivers? Clearly councils want to keep that easy money coming in & want to extract £75/sign. So the issue is money, not policy or the beauty of the urban lanscape. Some cities like to tell visitors what's on, so why not advertise events on officially sanctioned panels on the main routes into the city. The precedent is there already with brown tourist signs pointing out permanent destinations. Most brown signs are paid for by businesses - I wonder if that's the case in York for the really big ones. Follow the money! wigwamman

9:29pm Wed 23 Jan 13

MouseHouse says...

These signs are a nuisance. Before the event they are advertising they are a danger to road users, they are unsightly but I guess they do have a purpose. However many of these are left to blow around and rot for weeks after the event.

It's about time 'business' paid its way - if they want to put these signs up, pay up.
These signs are a nuisance. Before the event they are advertising they are a danger to road users, they are unsightly but I guess they do have a purpose. However many of these are left to blow around and rot for weeks after the event. It's about time 'business' paid its way - if they want to put these signs up, pay up. MouseHouse

11:42pm Wed 23 Jan 13

south bronx red 2 says...

bigbrotherseye wrote:
My My what an interesting debate.
Can I say it truly sickens me when all of you small minded biggotts have nothing else better to do that try and ruin small business chance of growth.
Millions of pounds per year are paid to York Council in tax that is earned by the business, so surely the should have the right to advertise.
I think personally you all need to get a grip! instead of curtain twitching go out there and look for the real in justice, under age drinkers, smokers, vandals, petty criminals, or offer your support to a charity rather than trying to destroy hard working individuals who are trying to make a difference in there community and to the people who wish to share there products and services.
You obviously are to narrow minded to see what is good in this area and only see the negatives. I am sure if it was your own family, sons, daughters etc trying to make it work in todays current climate you would back them 100% . so dig deep, look for that community spirit, close your curtains and either put up or shut up!! thank you.
Biggots ?
Oddball.
Flypostering anywhere you like is against the law.
Maybe we should all just pick and choose what rules we follow. Sadsack
[quote][p][bold]bigbrotherseye[/bold] wrote: My My what an interesting debate. Can I say it truly sickens me when all of you small minded biggotts have nothing else better to do that try and ruin small business chance of growth. Millions of pounds per year are paid to York Council in tax that is earned by the business, so surely the should have the right to advertise. I think personally you all need to get a grip! instead of curtain twitching go out there and look for the real in justice, under age drinkers, smokers, vandals, petty criminals, or offer your support to a charity rather than trying to destroy hard working individuals who are trying to make a difference in there community and to the people who wish to share there products and services. You obviously are to narrow minded to see what is good in this area and only see the negatives. I am sure if it was your own family, sons, daughters etc trying to make it work in todays current climate you would back them 100% . so dig deep, look for that community spirit, close your curtains and either put up or shut up!! thank you.[/p][/quote]Biggots ? Oddball. Flypostering anywhere you like is against the law. Maybe we should all just pick and choose what rules we follow. Sadsack south bronx red 2

11:53pm Wed 23 Jan 13

titfortat says...

Classic - this group have got more publicity than they can have imagined possible from this story. basically they broke the law but saw a chance to get the Press to write a piece for them. bear in mind the Press are supporting this event officially. also the charity angle is a farce - they are holding a raffle at the event which I can't imagine will raise too much! these are business people who have seen a quick and easy way to publicise the event. I don't blame them - but the the council are getting serious stick here for just abiding by the law. Do we really want a deluge of fly posting blighting our lovely city? At least we know the council are actually doing something to keep this city clear of these ugly signs etc. Also - who would take these signs down after the even t? I doubt very much the organisers would!
Classic - this group have got more publicity than they can have imagined possible from this story. basically they broke the law but saw a chance to get the Press to write a piece for them. bear in mind the Press are supporting this event officially. also the charity angle is a farce - they are holding a raffle at the event which I can't imagine will raise too much! these are business people who have seen a quick and easy way to publicise the event. I don't blame them - but the the council are getting serious stick here for just abiding by the law. Do we really want a deluge of fly posting blighting our lovely city? At least we know the council are actually doing something to keep this city clear of these ugly signs etc. Also - who would take these signs down after the even t? I doubt very much the organisers would! titfortat

12:02am Thu 24 Jan 13

Garrowby Turnoff says...

Don't forget...

2 -3 Feb, Deans Garden Centre

LOL
Don't forget... 2 -3 Feb, Deans Garden Centre LOL Garrowby Turnoff

1:48am Thu 24 Jan 13

inthesticks says...

Big Bad Wolf wrote:
Is it pure coincidence that the press are carrying an advert for this event?
I just clicked on the letters page and the advert fills the screen....

If I were a suspicious sort I'd think this story was all about advertising the event.
You need Adblock.
Just a thought while reading these posts - do the political parties pay for the thousands of posters they attach to lampposts etc during election campaigns?
[quote][p][bold]Big Bad Wolf[/bold] wrote: Is it pure coincidence that the press are carrying an advert for this event? I just clicked on the letters page and the advert fills the screen.... If I were a suspicious sort I'd think this story was all about advertising the event.[/p][/quote]You need Adblock. Just a thought while reading these posts - do the political parties pay for the thousands of posters they attach to lampposts etc during election campaigns? inthesticks

1:57am Thu 24 Jan 13

Magicman! says...

Here is the simple reason behind why the council ordered the signs to be removed: because the 'proper avenues' were not take to erect the signs... the 'proper avenues' are to request permission to erect the signage, if the council agree then a set charge is issued, the charge is paid and then the signs go up... but because the traders didn't give any money to the council, the council have got the hump and have ordered the signs to be removed. No pockets lined, no signs laddie!
Here is the simple reason behind why the council ordered the signs to be removed: because the 'proper avenues' were not take to erect the signs... the 'proper avenues' are to request permission to erect the signage, if the council agree then a set charge is issued, the charge is paid and then the signs go up... but because the traders didn't give any money to the council, the council have got the hump and have ordered the signs to be removed. No pockets lined, no signs laddie! Magicman!

10:13am Thu 24 Jan 13

wigwamman says...

Temporary road-side signs are only one part of the story. Next time you drive through York consider the urban landscape. In a half mile stretch just count how many metal posts there are holding road signs. Mostly one sign per post. Simple things like signs sharing posts, or signs on street lamp posts would reduce clutter and improve visual amenity (and reduce costs and obstruction to pedestrians). How many road signs could actually be binned? Also try driving along Hull road today & you'll see over 40 "To Let" signs in half a mile. Yes they may have "deemed consent" but that doesn't make them any less intrusive.
The bottom line is that the council will happily spend your tax ££ erecting signs without thinking how to minimise cost, obstruction or visual blight, whilst selectively applying the rules to temporary road-side signs.
Temporary road-side signs are only one part of the story. Next time you drive through York consider the urban landscape. In a half mile stretch just count how many metal posts there are holding road signs. Mostly one sign per post. Simple things like signs sharing posts, or signs on street lamp posts would reduce clutter and improve visual amenity (and reduce costs and obstruction to pedestrians). How many road signs could actually be binned? Also try driving along Hull road today & you'll see over 40 "To Let" signs in half a mile. Yes they may have "deemed consent" but that doesn't make them any less intrusive. The bottom line is that the council will happily spend your tax ££ erecting signs without thinking how to minimise cost, obstruction or visual blight, whilst selectively applying the rules to temporary road-side signs. wigwamman

10:24am Thu 24 Jan 13

jasonsaxo says...

mjr119 wrote:
jasonsaxo wrote:
mjr119 wrote:
y0rkshir3lass wrote:
I'm going to assume that those who are responding negatively to this story do not support local independents and would rather put their money towards 'money grabbing nationals' who very rarely care about the individual customer? At least these guys are trying to do something good for the local economy and local businesses or would people rather see another increase in unemployment in North Yorkshire?
Yes, I am Barry Tesco.

I would be all for the signs if all local businesses were allocated a space where they could advertise free of charge.

But that isn't the case - so some businesses that the p*** and others operate legally.

Equally, the charity angle is a diversion. At least one of the businesses involved in this event uses the same methods - indeed, some of their boards are out at present.
I appreciate your points in regard to support for local business but I think it somewhat harsh that you see the charity angle as a diversion. Have you looked at the work York House do? And the work York Against Cancer do needs no introduction.
You're missing my point. You cannot claim that as there is a charity angle to an event it absolves all those involved from acting in a lawful manner.

All these charities do wonderful work - maybe you could all pay for advertising space at the side of the road and the council could distribute the funds among the charities? If that was what was happening, I would happily back it.
I like you idea. I would like to think that the business' involved would like that but I fear the council would want to fill their coffers.
[quote][p][bold]mjr119[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasonsaxo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mjr119[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]y0rkshir3lass[/bold] wrote: I'm going to assume that those who are responding negatively to this story do not support local independents and would rather put their money towards 'money grabbing nationals' who very rarely care about the individual customer? At least these guys are trying to do something good for the local economy and local businesses or would people rather see another increase in unemployment in North Yorkshire?[/p][/quote]Yes, I am Barry Tesco. I would be all for the signs if all local businesses were allocated a space where they could advertise free of charge. But that isn't the case - so some businesses that the p*** and others operate legally. Equally, the charity angle is a diversion. At least one of the businesses involved in this event uses the same methods - indeed, some of their boards are out at present.[/p][/quote]I appreciate your points in regard to support for local business but I think it somewhat harsh that you see the charity angle as a diversion. Have you looked at the work York House do? And the work York Against Cancer do needs no introduction.[/p][/quote]You're missing my point. You cannot claim that as there is a charity angle to an event it absolves all those involved from acting in a lawful manner. All these charities do wonderful work - maybe you could all pay for advertising space at the side of the road and the council could distribute the funds among the charities? If that was what was happening, I would happily back it.[/p][/quote]I like you idea. I would like to think that the business' involved would like that but I fear the council would want to fill their coffers. jasonsaxo

10:27am Thu 24 Jan 13

A Northerner in Pembrokeshire says...

I'm amazed by the amount of interest this issue has caused... for what a few people on here have classed as a non news item.. it is certainly causing interest...
I'm amazed by the amount of interest this issue has caused... for what a few people on here have classed as a non news item.. it is certainly causing interest... A Northerner in Pembrokeshire

2:57pm Thu 24 Jan 13

jasonsaxo says...

A Northerner in Pembrokeshire wrote:
I'm amazed by the amount of interest this issue has caused... for what a few people on here have classed as a non news item.. it is certainly causing interest...
Funny that!!!
[quote][p][bold]A Northerner in Pembrokeshire[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed by the amount of interest this issue has caused... for what a few people on here have classed as a non news item.. it is certainly causing interest...[/p][/quote]Funny that!!! jasonsaxo

3:52pm Thu 24 Jan 13

bigbrotherseye says...

south bronx red 2 wrote:
bigbrotherseye wrote:
My My what an interesting debate.
Can I say it truly sickens me when all of you small minded biggotts have nothing else better to do that try and ruin small business chance of growth.
Millions of pounds per year are paid to York Council in tax that is earned by the business, so surely the should have the right to advertise.
I think personally you all need to get a grip! instead of curtain twitching go out there and look for the real in justice, under age drinkers, smokers, vandals, petty criminals, or offer your support to a charity rather than trying to destroy hard working individuals who are trying to make a difference in there community and to the people who wish to share there products and services.
You obviously are to narrow minded to see what is good in this area and only see the negatives. I am sure if it was your own family, sons, daughters etc trying to make it work in todays current climate you would back them 100% . so dig deep, look for that community spirit, close your curtains and either put up or shut up!! thank you.
Biggots ?
Oddball.
Flypostering anywhere you like is against the law.
Maybe we should all just pick and choose what rules we follow. Sadsack
law is law and that people do understand, not all truly simple as yourself.
You really do not have no argument,
I feel your point is wasted re marketing laws.
Im sure you enjoy every print, and offer on your supermarket pull outs, and go spend your pennies with the big guys.
People like yourself need to try understand that the local business struggle in this day and age. You should try respect that, rather than try make yourself feel big by putting the little people down!
[quote][p][bold]south bronx red 2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigbrotherseye[/bold] wrote: My My what an interesting debate. Can I say it truly sickens me when all of you small minded biggotts have nothing else better to do that try and ruin small business chance of growth. Millions of pounds per year are paid to York Council in tax that is earned by the business, so surely the should have the right to advertise. I think personally you all need to get a grip! instead of curtain twitching go out there and look for the real in justice, under age drinkers, smokers, vandals, petty criminals, or offer your support to a charity rather than trying to destroy hard working individuals who are trying to make a difference in there community and to the people who wish to share there products and services. You obviously are to narrow minded to see what is good in this area and only see the negatives. I am sure if it was your own family, sons, daughters etc trying to make it work in todays current climate you would back them 100% . so dig deep, look for that community spirit, close your curtains and either put up or shut up!! thank you.[/p][/quote]Biggots ? Oddball. Flypostering anywhere you like is against the law. Maybe we should all just pick and choose what rules we follow. Sadsack[/p][/quote]law is law and that people do understand, not all truly simple as yourself. You really do not have no argument, I feel your point is wasted re marketing laws. Im sure you enjoy every print, and offer on your supermarket pull outs, and go spend your pennies with the big guys. People like yourself need to try understand that the local business struggle in this day and age. You should try respect that, rather than try make yourself feel big by putting the little people down! bigbrotherseye

4:00pm Thu 24 Jan 13

bigbrotherseye says...

I think the real issue here is a "size issue" big people" (or what they like to call themselves) trying to put the small person down.
Throughout history all local stores have displayed there own advertising, and promoted the cause in anyway possible.
York being a typical city of culture should embrace the local business man rather then put him down.
I am sure you all recive your daily/weekly supermarket pull outs through your door with discounts and offers, and I am sure a large percentage of you use these vouchers for money off your shopping. I bet you dont write to the supermarkets and tell them to stop promoting themselves, because then your the "small guy". Take a breather have a look in the mirror and have a word with yourself.
These business are your neighbors, they support your community, they assist were required for those with limited means. and again I repeat myself If it was your Son or Daughter setting up shop I am also pretty confident you would walk round town with a sandwich board strapped to your back!
I think the real issue here is a "size issue" big people" (or what they like to call themselves) trying to put the small person down. Throughout history all local stores have displayed there own advertising, and promoted the cause in anyway possible. York being a typical city of culture should embrace the local business man rather then put him down. I am sure you all recive your daily/weekly supermarket pull outs through your door with discounts and offers, and I am sure a large percentage of you use these vouchers for money off your shopping. I bet you dont write to the supermarkets and tell them to stop promoting themselves, because then your the "small guy". Take a breather have a look in the mirror and have a word with yourself. These business are your neighbors, they support your community, they assist were required for those with limited means. and again I repeat myself If it was your Son or Daughter setting up shop I am also pretty confident you would walk round town with a sandwich board strapped to your back! bigbrotherseye

4:05pm Thu 24 Jan 13

bigbrotherseye says...

mjr119 wrote:
Am I missing something? These signs are bang out of order.

If a business tries to help itself by not paying PAYE or by doing 'cash jobs', they are rightly deemed a disgrace.

If you put signs up on land that doesn't belong to you, you should either pay for it or not put them there in the first place.

Placing signage anywhere other than your own premises costs money. Deal with it.
Last time I checked all business including the small business paid tax some more than others.
I also thought UK was a free country and our government appreciate people expressing themselves.
I think the business have dealt with it in a fair way!
[quote][p][bold]mjr119[/bold] wrote: Am I missing something? These signs are bang out of order. If a business tries to help itself by not paying PAYE or by doing 'cash jobs', they are rightly deemed a disgrace. If you put signs up on land that doesn't belong to you, you should either pay for it or not put them there in the first place. Placing signage anywhere other than your own premises costs money. Deal with it.[/p][/quote]Last time I checked all business including the small business paid tax some more than others. I also thought UK was a free country and our government appreciate people expressing themselves. I think the business have dealt with it in a fair way! bigbrotherseye

4:45pm Thu 24 Jan 13

wigwamman says...

Returning to the question of money. This clearly has to be at heart of the council's policy. Today on the roundabout where Haxby Road meets the northern York ring road there are 3 (possibly 4 - but i was keeping my eyes on the road!) metal signs advertising businesses for which the council makes a healthy profit. The fact that the council is happy to sell signs on roadabouts surely undermines any "safety" arguments about drivers being distracted by road side signs
Returning to the question of money. This clearly has to be at heart of the council's policy. Today on the roundabout where Haxby Road meets the northern York ring road there are 3 (possibly 4 - but i was keeping my eyes on the road!) metal signs advertising businesses for which the council makes a healthy profit. The fact that the council is happy to sell signs on roadabouts surely undermines any "safety" arguments about drivers being distracted by road side signs wigwamman

5:04pm Thu 24 Jan 13

mjr119 says...

bigbrotherseye wrote:
mjr119 wrote:
Am I missing something? These signs are bang out of order.

If a business tries to help itself by not paying PAYE or by doing 'cash jobs', they are rightly deemed a disgrace.

If you put signs up on land that doesn't belong to you, you should either pay for it or not put them there in the first place.

Placing signage anywhere other than your own premises costs money. Deal with it.
Last time I checked all business including the small business paid tax some more than others.
I also thought UK was a free country and our government appreciate people expressing themselves.
I think the business have dealt with it in a fair way!
It's not about big businesses and small businesses.

It's about doing things properly and in a sustainable way (not environmentally, but in that you can keep on doing it).

If you are reliant on an illegal activity to boost your sales, then the writing is on the wall.

I don't particularly care about the signage, but if these signs create additional revenue, then the space they occupy is worth something. Therefore, I want these businesses to pay for it, so that the money can be put back in to the pot to pay for other things that the council has to cover that don't generate revenue.

What about the people who run local advertising businesses - does this not put their livelihoods in jeopardy?
[quote][p][bold]bigbrotherseye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mjr119[/bold] wrote: Am I missing something? These signs are bang out of order. If a business tries to help itself by not paying PAYE or by doing 'cash jobs', they are rightly deemed a disgrace. If you put signs up on land that doesn't belong to you, you should either pay for it or not put them there in the first place. Placing signage anywhere other than your own premises costs money. Deal with it.[/p][/quote]Last time I checked all business including the small business paid tax some more than others. I also thought UK was a free country and our government appreciate people expressing themselves. I think the business have dealt with it in a fair way![/p][/quote]It's not about big businesses and small businesses. It's about doing things properly and in a sustainable way (not environmentally, but in that you can keep on doing it). If you are reliant on an illegal activity to boost your sales, then the writing is on the wall. I don't particularly care about the signage, but if these signs create additional revenue, then the space they occupy is worth something. Therefore, I want these businesses to pay for it, so that the money can be put back in to the pot to pay for other things that the council has to cover that don't generate revenue. What about the people who run local advertising businesses - does this not put their livelihoods in jeopardy? mjr119

5:15pm Thu 24 Jan 13

MouseHouse says...

wigwamman wrote:
Returning to the question of money. This clearly has to be at heart of the council's policy. Today on the roundabout where Haxby Road meets the northern York ring road there are 3 (possibly 4 - but i was keeping my eyes on the road!) metal signs advertising businesses for which the council makes a healthy profit. The fact that the council is happy to sell signs on roadabouts surely undermines any "safety" arguments about drivers being distracted by road side signs
Not entirely. Correctly installed signs should be strong enough to withstand wear and tear from the weather etc. Bits of cardboard held on by cable ties or rope are not and hence the signs end up blowing into the carriageway.

We end up with litter that the taxpayer ends up paying to have removed. We end up with hazards that taxpaers end up paying to remove, whilst the capitalists that put the signs up avoid their repsonsibilities. As usual.
[quote][p][bold]wigwamman[/bold] wrote: Returning to the question of money. This clearly has to be at heart of the council's policy. Today on the roundabout where Haxby Road meets the northern York ring road there are 3 (possibly 4 - but i was keeping my eyes on the road!) metal signs advertising businesses for which the council makes a healthy profit. The fact that the council is happy to sell signs on roadabouts surely undermines any "safety" arguments about drivers being distracted by road side signs[/p][/quote]Not entirely. Correctly installed signs should be strong enough to withstand wear and tear from the weather etc. Bits of cardboard held on by cable ties or rope are not and hence the signs end up blowing into the carriageway. We end up with litter that the taxpayer ends up paying to have removed. We end up with hazards that taxpaers end up paying to remove, whilst the capitalists that put the signs up avoid their repsonsibilities. As usual. MouseHouse

5:19pm Thu 24 Jan 13

A Northerner in Pembrokeshire says...

MouseHouse wrote:
wigwamman wrote:
Returning to the question of money. This clearly has to be at heart of the council's policy. Today on the roundabout where Haxby Road meets the northern York ring road there are 3 (possibly 4 - but i was keeping my eyes on the road!) metal signs advertising businesses for which the council makes a healthy profit. The fact that the council is happy to sell signs on roadabouts surely undermines any "safety" arguments about drivers being distracted by road side signs
Not entirely. Correctly installed signs should be strong enough to withstand wear and tear from the weather etc. Bits of cardboard held on by cable ties or rope are not and hence the signs end up blowing into the carriageway.

We end up with litter that the taxpayer ends up paying to have removed. We end up with hazards that taxpaers end up paying to remove, whilst the capitalists that put the signs up avoid their repsonsibilities. As usual.
But looking at the picture of the sign this story is about that doesn't seem to be the case. They seem like durable signs, able to withstand the elements for the short time they were meant to be up ( 2 weeks was it?)

It also seems to be attached to the post quite robustly, I think I see some screws infact, so I don't think that is the issue in this case....
[quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wigwamman[/bold] wrote: Returning to the question of money. This clearly has to be at heart of the council's policy. Today on the roundabout where Haxby Road meets the northern York ring road there are 3 (possibly 4 - but i was keeping my eyes on the road!) metal signs advertising businesses for which the council makes a healthy profit. The fact that the council is happy to sell signs on roadabouts surely undermines any "safety" arguments about drivers being distracted by road side signs[/p][/quote]Not entirely. Correctly installed signs should be strong enough to withstand wear and tear from the weather etc. Bits of cardboard held on by cable ties or rope are not and hence the signs end up blowing into the carriageway. We end up with litter that the taxpayer ends up paying to have removed. We end up with hazards that taxpaers end up paying to remove, whilst the capitalists that put the signs up avoid their repsonsibilities. As usual.[/p][/quote]But looking at the picture of the sign this story is about that doesn't seem to be the case. They seem like durable signs, able to withstand the elements for the short time they were meant to be up ( 2 weeks was it?) It also seems to be attached to the post quite robustly, I think I see some screws infact, so I don't think that is the issue in this case.... A Northerner in Pembrokeshire

1:42pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Chrido81 says...

Unsanctioned advertising which takes up space that other businesses might already have paid for does seem a little out of order.

Without getting into the ethics of CYC's advertising policy, the potential to disadvantage other businesses is there, regardless of what they are trying to advertise. The rules are there regardless of whether they are right, and they must be adhered to!
Unsanctioned advertising which takes up space that other businesses might already have paid for does seem a little out of order. Without getting into the ethics of CYC's advertising policy, the potential to disadvantage other businesses is there, regardless of what they are trying to advertise. The rules are there regardless of whether they are right, and they must be adhered to! Chrido81

1:57pm Fri 25 Jan 13

wigwamman says...

1) Rules that are clearly not right should be challenged & changed & not slavishly followed just because they are the rules.

2) Everyone should be equal in the eyes of the law - which in this case is not so.
It's apparent that the rules have been selectively enforced on the organisers of the York Lifestyle Exhibition.
1) Rules that are clearly not right should be challenged & changed & not slavishly followed just because they are the rules. 2) Everyone should be equal in the eyes of the law - which in this case is not so. It's apparent that the rules have been selectively enforced on the organisers of the York Lifestyle Exhibition. wigwamman

7:28pm Sat 26 Jan 13

south bronx red 2 says...

bigbrotherseye wrote:
south bronx red 2 wrote:
bigbrotherseye wrote:
My My what an interesting debate.
Can I say it truly sickens me when all of you small minded biggotts have nothing else better to do that try and ruin small business chance of growth.
Millions of pounds per year are paid to York Council in tax that is earned by the business, so surely the should have the right to advertise.
I think personally you all need to get a grip! instead of curtain twitching go out there and look for the real in justice, under age drinkers, smokers, vandals, petty criminals, or offer your support to a charity rather than trying to destroy hard working individuals who are trying to make a difference in there community and to the people who wish to share there products and services.
You obviously are to narrow minded to see what is good in this area and only see the negatives. I am sure if it was your own family, sons, daughters etc trying to make it work in todays current climate you would back them 100% . so dig deep, look for that community spirit, close your curtains and either put up or shut up!! thank you.
Biggots ?
Oddball.
Flypostering anywhere you like is against the law.
Maybe we should all just pick and choose what rules we follow. Sadsack
law is law and that people do understand, not all truly simple as yourself.
You really do not have no argument,
I feel your point is wasted re marketing laws.
Im sure you enjoy every print, and offer on your supermarket pull outs, and go spend your pennies with the big guys.
People like yourself need to try understand that the local business struggle in this day and age. You should try respect that, rather than try make yourself feel big by putting the little people down!
Im more against the unwanted junk mail through the door also.
I support a multitude of local businesses.
I just object for the excuse of "being a local small business" to flout the law.
Much like the 'ring this number for extra cash'.
As the using the bigger shops, do they not employ local people or are the all bused ?
[quote][p][bold]bigbrotherseye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]south bronx red 2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigbrotherseye[/bold] wrote: My My what an interesting debate. Can I say it truly sickens me when all of you small minded biggotts have nothing else better to do that try and ruin small business chance of growth. Millions of pounds per year are paid to York Council in tax that is earned by the business, so surely the should have the right to advertise. I think personally you all need to get a grip! instead of curtain twitching go out there and look for the real in justice, under age drinkers, smokers, vandals, petty criminals, or offer your support to a charity rather than trying to destroy hard working individuals who are trying to make a difference in there community and to the people who wish to share there products and services. You obviously are to narrow minded to see what is good in this area and only see the negatives. I am sure if it was your own family, sons, daughters etc trying to make it work in todays current climate you would back them 100% . so dig deep, look for that community spirit, close your curtains and either put up or shut up!! thank you.[/p][/quote]Biggots ? Oddball. Flypostering anywhere you like is against the law. Maybe we should all just pick and choose what rules we follow. Sadsack[/p][/quote]law is law and that people do understand, not all truly simple as yourself. You really do not have no argument, I feel your point is wasted re marketing laws. Im sure you enjoy every print, and offer on your supermarket pull outs, and go spend your pennies with the big guys. People like yourself need to try understand that the local business struggle in this day and age. You should try respect that, rather than try make yourself feel big by putting the little people down![/p][/quote]Im more against the unwanted junk mail through the door also. I support a multitude of local businesses. I just object for the excuse of "being a local small business" to flout the law. Much like the 'ring this number for extra cash'. As the using the bigger shops, do they not employ local people or are the all bused ? south bronx red 2

3:51pm Tue 29 Jan 13

bigbrotherseye says...

south bronx red 2 wrote:
bigbrotherseye wrote:
south bronx red 2 wrote:
bigbrotherseye wrote:
My My what an interesting debate.
Can I say it truly sickens me when all of you small minded biggotts have nothing else better to do that try and ruin small business chance of growth.
Millions of pounds per year are paid to York Council in tax that is earned by the business, so surely the should have the right to advertise.
I think personally you all need to get a grip! instead of curtain twitching go out there and look for the real in justice, under age drinkers, smokers, vandals, petty criminals, or offer your support to a charity rather than trying to destroy hard working individuals who are trying to make a difference in there community and to the people who wish to share there products and services.
You obviously are to narrow minded to see what is good in this area and only see the negatives. I am sure if it was your own family, sons, daughters etc trying to make it work in todays current climate you would back them 100% . so dig deep, look for that community spirit, close your curtains and either put up or shut up!! thank you.
Biggots ?
Oddball.
Flypostering anywhere you like is against the law.
Maybe we should all just pick and choose what rules we follow. Sadsack
law is law and that people do understand, not all truly simple as yourself.
You really do not have no argument,
I feel your point is wasted re marketing laws.
Im sure you enjoy every print, and offer on your supermarket pull outs, and go spend your pennies with the big guys.
People like yourself need to try understand that the local business struggle in this day and age. You should try respect that, rather than try make yourself feel big by putting the little people down!
Im more against the unwanted junk mail through the door also.
I support a multitude of local businesses.
I just object for the excuse of "being a local small business" to flout the law.
Much like the 'ring this number for extra cash'.
As the using the bigger shops, do they not employ local people or are the all bused ?
I can honestly say the majority rules on local business employing local people,looking at the bigger picture most do yes.
I think you just have a lone issue of wanting to put down other people instead of letting them make a go with there lives? I am feeling that you have had a lot of failure in your personal pursuits?
[quote][p][bold]south bronx red 2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigbrotherseye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]south bronx red 2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigbrotherseye[/bold] wrote: My My what an interesting debate. Can I say it truly sickens me when all of you small minded biggotts have nothing else better to do that try and ruin small business chance of growth. Millions of pounds per year are paid to York Council in tax that is earned by the business, so surely the should have the right to advertise. I think personally you all need to get a grip! instead of curtain twitching go out there and look for the real in justice, under age drinkers, smokers, vandals, petty criminals, or offer your support to a charity rather than trying to destroy hard working individuals who are trying to make a difference in there community and to the people who wish to share there products and services. You obviously are to narrow minded to see what is good in this area and only see the negatives. I am sure if it was your own family, sons, daughters etc trying to make it work in todays current climate you would back them 100% . so dig deep, look for that community spirit, close your curtains and either put up or shut up!! thank you.[/p][/quote]Biggots ? Oddball. Flypostering anywhere you like is against the law. Maybe we should all just pick and choose what rules we follow. Sadsack[/p][/quote]law is law and that people do understand, not all truly simple as yourself. You really do not have no argument, I feel your point is wasted re marketing laws. Im sure you enjoy every print, and offer on your supermarket pull outs, and go spend your pennies with the big guys. People like yourself need to try understand that the local business struggle in this day and age. You should try respect that, rather than try make yourself feel big by putting the little people down![/p][/quote]Im more against the unwanted junk mail through the door also. I support a multitude of local businesses. I just object for the excuse of "being a local small business" to flout the law. Much like the 'ring this number for extra cash'. As the using the bigger shops, do they not employ local people or are the all bused ?[/p][/quote]I can honestly say the majority rules on local business employing local people,looking at the bigger picture most do yes. I think you just have a lone issue of wanting to put down other people instead of letting them make a go with there lives? I am feeling that you have had a lot of failure in your personal pursuits? bigbrotherseye

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