Resident’s anger at all-night roadworks at Poppleton Road Park&Ride

Local residents are furious at the all-night roadworks

Local residents are furious at the all-night roadworks

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A FURIOUS resident who said he has endured "weeks of hell" at the hands of the Poppleton Road Park and Ride roadworks is considering legal action against City of York Council.

George Morrison lives on Station Road Upper Poppleton, just 50 yards from the roadworks site which has seen pneumatic drills working through the night for weeks on end.

The problems began in May, when the night working began but ended just a few night later after complaints from residents like Mr Morrison.

But three weeks later the noise began again, and have left Mr Morrison and his wife unable to sleep or even hear each other's voices.

"We have had weeks of hell.

"The noise was unbelievable, it was frightening. There's no way in the world we should have had to put up with that."

Even though the night working ended on Thursday, Mr Morrison said he is so furious that he is considering private legal action against the council for the nuisance the work has caused.

Mr Morrison, 57, said: "I and spoken to a solicitor who specialises in this kind of claim, and he said I have a case because these works could have been done at other times."

The council's Sally Burns, director of communities and neighbourhoods, said disruption was inevitable in projects as big as the new Park and Ride - which is one of the largest infrastructure projects in York since the 80s.

She added: "“The new Park&Ride at Poppleton is part of a £22m scheme and is one of the largest transport schemes since the outer ring road was built in the 80s. With schemes of this size disruption was unfortunately unavoidable, particularly as over 40,000 vehicles use this route every day.

"However, we completely understand that this has been difficult for residents near the site and we thank them for their assistance and cooperation. We’ve ensured that local residents have been kept informed of the works as much as possible and alternative accommodation was offered to those living in the immediate area."

Although Mr Morrison and his neighbours have been informed of night working before it has begun, he said he feels complaints have largely fallen on deaf ears.

"I feel as if I am in Russia or China or somewhere where people have no rights."

He is angry that while some residents have been offered accommodation elsewhere he and his wife were not.

He added: "Some people are elderly or have pets so can't leave their homes, and I was not offered accommodation until last Thursday, when the work finished on Saturday."

Ms Burns added the overnight works were now finished and the A59 would be adorned with yellow decorations ahead of the arrival of the Grand Depart this weekend.

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9:59am Thu 3 Jul 14

CHISSY1 says...

Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation".
Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation". CHISSY1
  • Score: -67

10:13am Thu 3 Jul 14

Ichabod76 says...

Could be worse, you could live next door to CHISSY1 in Selby
(someone who never moans)
did some one mention Richard III
Could be worse, you could live next door to CHISSY1 in Selby (someone who never moans) did some one mention Richard III Ichabod76
  • Score: 55

10:17am Thu 3 Jul 14

asd says...

So when the hell is the worlds slowest roundabout build actually truelly going to be finished? is days code word for another few months.
So when the hell is the worlds slowest roundabout build actually truelly going to be finished? is days code word for another few months. asd
  • Score: 73

10:20am Thu 3 Jul 14

Oaklands Resident says...

A legitimate complaint.

The project is more than 3 months behind schedule and project management is non existent.

They are making traffic congestion worse by doing the landscaping (yellow flower planting) at the busiest times of the day.

Merrett/Levene have a lot of explaining to do. They should not hide behind Sally Burns.

Labour Councillors wanted to be in the photo of the (premature) opening of the Park and Ride site. Now they should take responsibility for the mistakes.

We are all waiting for the explanantions
A legitimate complaint. The project is more than 3 months behind schedule and project management is non existent. They are making traffic congestion worse by doing the landscaping (yellow flower planting) at the busiest times of the day. Merrett/Levene have a lot of explaining to do. They should not hide behind Sally Burns. Labour Councillors wanted to be in the photo of the (premature) opening of the Park and Ride site. Now they should take responsibility for the mistakes. We are all waiting for the explanantions Oaklands Resident
  • Score: 96

10:27am Thu 3 Jul 14

courier46 says...

No Mr Morrison, your not in Russia or China,your in Labour council York where you definitely will not be listened to.
Not until there out next year!
No Mr Morrison, your not in Russia or China,your in Labour council York where you definitely will not be listened to. Not until there out next year! courier46
  • Score: 69

10:29am Thu 3 Jul 14

howmanymoretimes says...

Stuck in a long line of traffic last Monday evening I witnessed two workmen trying to hammer a small pole into the ground with the back of a spade. It took them ages.

There were plenty of workmen walking about, mostly in pairs, and at a very leisurely pace. No wonder it's taking so long.
Stuck in a long line of traffic last Monday evening I witnessed two workmen trying to hammer a small pole into the ground with the back of a spade. It took them ages. There were plenty of workmen walking about, mostly in pairs, and at a very leisurely pace. No wonder it's taking so long. howmanymoretimes
  • Score: 68

10:30am Thu 3 Jul 14

inthesticks says...

I think because they were behind the workmen have had a mad rush to get finished for the TDF, even yesterday the site looks like they have loads to do.
The disruption around the area has gone on so long I`ve even forgotten when it started but I`m glad I don`t live next to it.
SB could have made more of an apology I think, above comment from her sounds a bit glib, I`m sure yellow bunting isn`t going to make George feel any less aggrieved.
I think because they were behind the workmen have had a mad rush to get finished for the TDF, even yesterday the site looks like they have loads to do. The disruption around the area has gone on so long I`ve even forgotten when it started but I`m glad I don`t live next to it. SB could have made more of an apology I think, above comment from her sounds a bit glib, I`m sure yellow bunting isn`t going to make George feel any less aggrieved. inthesticks
  • Score: 48

10:31am Thu 3 Jul 14

Knavesmire view says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation".
If they hadn't overrun by almost 3 full months (and they are still touch and go now as to whether they'll be finished in time for the Tour on Sunday) this over night work wouldn't have had to be done.

I understand that it is a major infrastructure project, but it has been a shambles in how it has been handled and done.

The timeframe to the Tour has been known for years and should have been factored in to planning, with accomodation in the timetable for problems. We didn't even have any snow/frost this winter to disrupt them!
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation".[/p][/quote]If they hadn't overrun by almost 3 full months (and they are still touch and go now as to whether they'll be finished in time for the Tour on Sunday) this over night work wouldn't have had to be done. I understand that it is a major infrastructure project, but it has been a shambles in how it has been handled and done. The timeframe to the Tour has been known for years and should have been factored in to planning, with accomodation in the timetable for problems. We didn't even have any snow/frost this winter to disrupt them! Knavesmire view
  • Score: 65

10:33am Thu 3 Jul 14

inthesticks says...

Oaklands Resident wrote:
A legitimate complaint.

The project is more than 3 months behind schedule and project management is non existent.

They are making traffic congestion worse by doing the landscaping (yellow flower planting) at the busiest times of the day.

Merrett/Levene have a lot of explaining to do. They should not hide behind Sally Burns.

Labour Councillors wanted to be in the photo of the (premature) opening of the Park and Ride site. Now they should take responsibility for the mistakes.

We are all waiting for the explanantions
I disagree, SB is the highly paid director and is the one with ultimate responsibility, not Cllrs.
[quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: A legitimate complaint. The project is more than 3 months behind schedule and project management is non existent. They are making traffic congestion worse by doing the landscaping (yellow flower planting) at the busiest times of the day. Merrett/Levene have a lot of explaining to do. They should not hide behind Sally Burns. Labour Councillors wanted to be in the photo of the (premature) opening of the Park and Ride site. Now they should take responsibility for the mistakes. We are all waiting for the explanantions[/p][/quote]I disagree, SB is the highly paid director and is the one with ultimate responsibility, not Cllrs. inthesticks
  • Score: 16

10:35am Thu 3 Jul 14

Dr Brian says...

What an arrogant reply by Sally Burns - after people have had sleepless nights and have had their lives disrupted for weeks - nay months she dismissed the complaint with the statement that they will be dressing the A59 with yellow.

Unbelievable how far out of touch this council and its officers are with the residents of York!
What an arrogant reply by Sally Burns - after people have had sleepless nights and have had their lives disrupted for weeks - nay months she dismissed the complaint with the statement that they will be dressing the A59 with yellow. Unbelievable how far out of touch this council and its officers are with the residents of York! Dr Brian
  • Score: 68

10:37am Thu 3 Jul 14

only human says...

I dont see any likely improvement in the traffic flow at this horrifically slow junction.All they seem to have done is plonk a bigger roundabout in the road and put them confusuing double arrows for traffic going straight over,which is crazy when the road just narrows into one lane as soon as you get across the roundabout anyway so all that will happen is the eager beavers or road bullys will go into the right hand lane to go straight ober and then slam all on as they nudge their way into those who take the left hand lane to go straight over and stay in lane.
Its just like when ypu are coming back from the coast on the a64 snd you get them long tailbacks for the same reason,2 lanes merging into one just doesnt ease the traffic it just makes it grind to a halt and causes chaos.
No doubt the park and ride buses wil be getting a preferential lane too.
I dont see any likely improvement in the traffic flow at this horrifically slow junction.All they seem to have done is plonk a bigger roundabout in the road and put them confusuing double arrows for traffic going straight over,which is crazy when the road just narrows into one lane as soon as you get across the roundabout anyway so all that will happen is the eager beavers or road bullys will go into the right hand lane to go straight ober and then slam all on as they nudge their way into those who take the left hand lane to go straight over and stay in lane. Its just like when ypu are coming back from the coast on the a64 snd you get them long tailbacks for the same reason,2 lanes merging into one just doesnt ease the traffic it just makes it grind to a halt and causes chaos. No doubt the park and ride buses wil be getting a preferential lane too. only human
  • Score: 48

10:40am Thu 3 Jul 14

york_chap says...

Some people do complain unnecessarily, but this guy's point seems justified. I don't know anyone who'd be happy to put up with that sort of disruption for weeks on end.

What makes it particularly unreasonable is the fact that these p&r/roundabout works seem to have been going on practically since time immemorial. If they'd just got on and done these works on any of the dozens of days when no-one's been working at the site, night works wouldn't have been required at all.

The patronising quote from the council at the end just adds insult to injury and demonstrates the utter contempt with which the council views local people:

"Ms Burns added: "As we near the end of the scheme, all overnight works are now complete, the route is ready, and over the next few days we’ll be dressing the A59 with lots of yellow!"

Screw the locals - we've got the TDF and lots of tourists to cater for.
Some people do complain unnecessarily, but this guy's point seems justified. I don't know anyone who'd be happy to put up with that sort of disruption for weeks on end. What makes it particularly unreasonable is the fact that these p&r/roundabout works seem to have been going on practically since time immemorial. If they'd just got on and done these works on any of the dozens of days when no-one's been working at the site, night works wouldn't have been required at all. The patronising quote from the council at the end just adds insult to injury and demonstrates the utter contempt with which the council views local people: "Ms Burns added: "As we near the end of the scheme, all overnight works are now complete, the route is ready, and over the next few days we’ll be dressing the A59 with lots of yellow!" Screw the locals - we've got the TDF and lots of tourists to cater for. york_chap
  • Score: 66

11:11am Thu 3 Jul 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Wonder who is paying for the overrun and the small army that was deployed yesterday to put yellow flowers onto an uncompleted roundabout? If the council were holding the contractor to the original quote you could bet it would have been finished months ago so I can only guess that we are paying extra for the months of shovel leaning. No wonder the contractor's name is not plastered all over this little development.
Wonder who is paying for the overrun and the small army that was deployed yesterday to put yellow flowers onto an uncompleted roundabout? If the council were holding the contractor to the original quote you could bet it would have been finished months ago so I can only guess that we are paying extra for the months of shovel leaning. No wonder the contractor's name is not plastered all over this little development. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 39

11:15am Thu 3 Jul 14

uriahh says...

"The council's Sally Burns, director of Communities and Neighbourhoods, said disruption was inevitable in projects as big as the new Park and Ride - which is one of the largest infrastructure projects in York since the 80s.. "

The lady doesn't know what she's talking about. She appears to be for Communications and Neighbourhoods what King Herod was for baby care!

After 45 years of experience on 4 Continents on major multi-discipline engineering and construction contracts, I can say with some authority that this project is simply a local parish council works scheme which should have been far better planned, far better managed and completed far earlier than even the original programme by both the Contractor and the YCC and their consultants. From start to finish it has seemed to be a training school with very poor attendance of the few employed outside but an army inside the cabins and a curriculum including only on how to gossip, make mobile phone calls or carry clip boards, or alternatively how to park construction equipment and keep it running doing nothing or piling mounds of earth everywhere!

Is it no coincidence that the share value of Balfour Beatty has nose dived even far more today because of losses made in the UK?

I look forward to seeing the formal excuses given by the Contractor and YCC for the massive delays and likely enormous additional costs claims.

Let's wait for full completion, including the intended traffic lights on the A59 at the end of Station road and the entrance/exit to the P&R scheme, and then make judgement on the Roundabout/P&R Scheme's effectiveness in reducing congestion. I think there should be a sweepstake for guessing the length of tail backs towards Harrogate, and the periods that adjacent householders have to endure to exit Poppleton and the houses on the A59.

Don't worry though, its simply local citizens and Council Tax and Income Tax payers who have to endure the delay and disruption as well as the costs involved!
"The council's Sally Burns, director of Communities and Neighbourhoods, said disruption was inevitable in projects as big as the new Park and Ride - which is one of the largest infrastructure projects in York since the 80s.. " The lady doesn't know what she's talking about. She appears to be for Communications and Neighbourhoods what King Herod was for baby care! After 45 years of experience on 4 Continents on major multi-discipline engineering and construction contracts, I can say with some authority that this project is simply a local parish council works scheme which should have been far better planned, far better managed and completed far earlier than even the original programme by both the Contractor and the YCC and their consultants. From start to finish it has seemed to be a training school with very poor attendance of the few employed outside but an army inside the cabins and a curriculum including only on how to gossip, make mobile phone calls or carry clip boards, or alternatively how to park construction equipment and keep it running doing nothing or piling mounds of earth everywhere! Is it no coincidence that the share value of Balfour Beatty has nose dived even far more today because of losses made in the UK? I look forward to seeing the formal excuses given by the Contractor and YCC for the massive delays and likely enormous additional costs claims. Let's wait for full completion, including the intended traffic lights on the A59 at the end of Station road and the entrance/exit to the P&R scheme, and then make judgement on the Roundabout/P&R Scheme's effectiveness in reducing congestion. I think there should be a sweepstake for guessing the length of tail backs towards Harrogate, and the periods that adjacent householders have to endure to exit Poppleton and the houses on the A59. Don't worry though, its simply local citizens and Council Tax and Income Tax payers who have to endure the delay and disruption as well as the costs involved! uriahh
  • Score: 52

11:16am Thu 3 Jul 14

JHardacre says...

Oaklands Resident wrote:
A legitimate complaint.

The project is more than 3 months behind schedule and project management is non existent.

They are making traffic congestion worse by doing the landscaping (yellow flower planting) at the busiest times of the day.

Merrett/Levene have a lot of explaining to do. They should not hide behind Sally Burns.

Labour Councillors wanted to be in the photo of the (premature) opening of the Park and Ride site. Now they should take responsibility for the mistakes.

We are all waiting for the explanantions
Sadly not the only project over running. The new petrol station newar Pocklington still proudly displays that sign that it will open in 'Spring 2014'. Doh!
[quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: A legitimate complaint. The project is more than 3 months behind schedule and project management is non existent. They are making traffic congestion worse by doing the landscaping (yellow flower planting) at the busiest times of the day. Merrett/Levene have a lot of explaining to do. They should not hide behind Sally Burns. Labour Councillors wanted to be in the photo of the (premature) opening of the Park and Ride site. Now they should take responsibility for the mistakes. We are all waiting for the explanantions[/p][/quote]Sadly not the only project over running. The new petrol station newar Pocklington still proudly displays that sign that it will open in 'Spring 2014'. Doh! JHardacre
  • Score: 15

11:36am Thu 3 Jul 14

CHISSY1 says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
Could be worse, you could live next door to CHISSY1 in Selby
(someone who never moans)
did some one mention Richard III
I do not live in Selby.I do not moan i just comment on uninteresting ,boring and pointless whining from uninteresting and boring people,over to you.
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: Could be worse, you could live next door to CHISSY1 in Selby (someone who never moans) did some one mention Richard III[/p][/quote]I do not live in Selby.I do not moan i just comment on uninteresting ,boring and pointless whining from uninteresting and boring people,over to you. CHISSY1
  • Score: -53

11:49am Thu 3 Jul 14

Dave Ruddock says...

The council's Sally Burns, director of Communities and Neighbourhoods, said disruption was inevitable in projects as big as the new Park and Ride - which is one of the largest infrastructure projects in York since the 80s..

So the other P & R sites are not, Monks Cross, Clifton, Hull Road and Taddy road P&R are not Projects, and just for my info why is this the only P&R outside the Ringroad, signs around this "Project" still give a date in March ..
oh and still runs empty buses service.
The council's Sally Burns, director of Communities and Neighbourhoods, said disruption was inevitable in projects as big as the new Park and Ride - which is one of the largest infrastructure projects in York since the 80s.. So the other P & R sites are not, Monks Cross, Clifton, Hull Road and Taddy road P&R are not Projects, and just for my info why is this the only P&R outside the Ringroad, signs around this "Project" still give a date in March .. oh and still runs empty buses service. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 26

11:57am Thu 3 Jul 14

Well I'll be blowed says...

At the end of the day it is difficult to see just how much difference this badly implemented and very costly scheme will make to traffic flows.

It seems very unlikely that there will be any significant reduction in the queues at the A59 / A1237 roundabout at rush hour time. That will only be relieved by doubling the A1237; but if building that meant having to put up wth the sort of disuruption we have had on the A1237 for the past 2 years or more I would rather carry on as now.

I would guess that if the total delays experienced during the road works were added and compared to the usual delays before the roadworks it would take a good few years before an overall benefit could be shown. Who did the cost to benefit analysis?
At the end of the day it is difficult to see just how much difference this badly implemented and very costly scheme will make to traffic flows. It seems very unlikely that there will be any significant reduction in the queues at the A59 / A1237 roundabout at rush hour time. That will only be relieved by doubling the A1237; but if building that meant having to put up wth the sort of disuruption we have had on the A1237 for the past 2 years or more I would rather carry on as now. I would guess that if the total delays experienced during the road works were added and compared to the usual delays before the roadworks it would take a good few years before an overall benefit could be shown. Who did the cost to benefit analysis? Well I'll be blowed
  • Score: 14

12:18pm Thu 3 Jul 14

MrsHoney says...

I don't blame them for being **** off, I live quite some way from the works and I have been kept awake on many nights from the noise. I've often felt sorry for people who live closer. It's only been over this past week or so that I've actually seen anybody doing any work though. Normally when I've driven past at the weekend or in the evening there hasn't been a soul around. Wouldn't it be better to be working then rather than in the middle of the night disturbing people? Most of the work is out of the way of traffic so I can't see what the problem was. It's over run by months, bloody useless. I couldn't care less about the Tour de France either, if somebody said to me it's all OK now we're putting up the bunting I'd be tempted to strangle them with it!
There have been road works of some form or other on the A59 for years, it's ridiculous what we've had to put up with. It's not like we can even use the bus as they won't stop on route!!
I don't blame them for being **** off, I live quite some way from the works and I have been kept awake on many nights from the noise. I've often felt sorry for people who live closer. It's only been over this past week or so that I've actually seen anybody doing any work though. Normally when I've driven past at the weekend or in the evening there hasn't been a soul around. Wouldn't it be better to be working then rather than in the middle of the night disturbing people? Most of the work is out of the way of traffic so I can't see what the problem was. It's over run by months, bloody useless. I couldn't care less about the Tour de France either, if somebody said to me it's all OK now we're putting up the bunting I'd be tempted to strangle them with it! There have been road works of some form or other on the A59 for years, it's ridiculous what we've had to put up with. It's not like we can even use the bus as they won't stop on route!! MrsHoney
  • Score: 36

12:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

CE1995 says...

It's quite obviously YCC showing off for the Tour De France, It will go over that road in less than 30 seconds! The new PnR is rubbish it took me 50 mins to get to the railway station in York! It has been taking 20 mins some nights for the traffic lights to change and it is completely un clear when and which roads are open or shut! I'm 19 and have lived in Poppleton all my life and believe that the quiet little village should be left as just that!
It's quite obviously YCC showing off for the Tour De France, It will go over that road in less than 30 seconds! The new PnR is rubbish it took me 50 mins to get to the railway station in York! It has been taking 20 mins some nights for the traffic lights to change and it is completely un clear when and which roads are open or shut! I'm 19 and have lived in Poppleton all my life and believe that the quiet little village should be left as just that! CE1995
  • Score: 22

12:52pm Thu 3 Jul 14

bolero says...

BALFOUR BEATTY!!!!! What a shambles. Never mind, `Tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree`. That'll be nice won't it? Oh! and `Keep the red flag flying`.
BALFOUR BEATTY!!!!! What a shambles. Never mind, `Tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree`. That'll be nice won't it? Oh! and `Keep the red flag flying`. bolero
  • Score: 18

1:02pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

inthesticks wrote:
Oaklands Resident wrote: A legitimate complaint. The project is more than 3 months behind schedule and project management is non existent. They are making traffic congestion worse by doing the landscaping (yellow flower planting) at the busiest times of the day. Merrett/Levene have a lot of explaining to do. They should not hide behind Sally Burns. Labour Councillors wanted to be in the photo of the (premature) opening of the Park and Ride site. Now they should take responsibility for the mistakes. We are all waiting for the explanantions
I disagree, SB is the highly paid director and is the one with ultimate responsibility, not Cllrs.
I think you are wrong. The project is under the jurisdiction of the City & Envirionmental Services Directorate, which is Sarah Tanburn's responsibility, not Sally Burns.

Maybe part-timer (4 days a week @ £700/day) Ms Tanburn was on her day off, or needed help from Mrs Burns cos she knows nowt about the project, and isn't interested anyway?
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: A legitimate complaint. The project is more than 3 months behind schedule and project management is non existent. They are making traffic congestion worse by doing the landscaping (yellow flower planting) at the busiest times of the day. Merrett/Levene have a lot of explaining to do. They should not hide behind Sally Burns. Labour Councillors wanted to be in the photo of the (premature) opening of the Park and Ride site. Now they should take responsibility for the mistakes. We are all waiting for the explanantions[/p][/quote]I disagree, SB is the highly paid director and is the one with ultimate responsibility, not Cllrs.[/p][/quote]I think you are wrong. The project is under the jurisdiction of the City & Envirionmental Services Directorate, which is Sarah Tanburn's responsibility, not Sally Burns. Maybe part-timer (4 days a week @ £700/day) Ms Tanburn was on her day off, or needed help from Mrs Burns cos she knows nowt about the project, and isn't interested anyway? Badgers Drift
  • Score: 26

1:12pm Thu 3 Jul 14

welderboy says...

JHardacre wrote:
Oaklands Resident wrote:
A legitimate complaint.

The project is more than 3 months behind schedule and project management is non existent.

They are making traffic congestion worse by doing the landscaping (yellow flower planting) at the busiest times of the day.

Merrett/Levene have a lot of explaining to do. They should not hide behind Sally Burns.

Labour Councillors wanted to be in the photo of the (premature) opening of the Park and Ride site. Now they should take responsibility for the mistakes.

We are all waiting for the explanantions
Sadly not the only project over running. The new petrol station newar Pocklington still proudly displays that sign that it will open in 'Spring 2014'. Doh!
Pocklington or Poppleton???
[quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: A legitimate complaint. The project is more than 3 months behind schedule and project management is non existent. They are making traffic congestion worse by doing the landscaping (yellow flower planting) at the busiest times of the day. Merrett/Levene have a lot of explaining to do. They should not hide behind Sally Burns. Labour Councillors wanted to be in the photo of the (premature) opening of the Park and Ride site. Now they should take responsibility for the mistakes. We are all waiting for the explanantions[/p][/quote]Sadly not the only project over running. The new petrol station newar Pocklington still proudly displays that sign that it will open in 'Spring 2014'. Doh![/p][/quote]Pocklington or Poppleton??? welderboy
  • Score: 4

1:13pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

Dr Brian wrote:
What an arrogant reply by Sally Burns - after people have had sleepless nights and have had their lives disrupted for weeks - nay months she dismissed the complaint with the statement that they will be dressing the A59 with yellow. Unbelievable how far out of touch this council and its officers are with the residents of York!
Sally Burns is paid a salary of £102,766/yr, and lives in East Yorkshire.

It's not hard to figure out where her loyalties and committment lies...... in her vast pay packet, not in York!

Much like her pal's Kersten England, who is paid £137,500/yr and who also doesn't live in York!
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: What an arrogant reply by Sally Burns - after people have had sleepless nights and have had their lives disrupted for weeks - nay months she dismissed the complaint with the statement that they will be dressing the A59 with yellow. Unbelievable how far out of touch this council and its officers are with the residents of York![/p][/quote]Sally Burns is paid a salary of £102,766/yr, and lives in East Yorkshire. It's not hard to figure out where her loyalties and committment lies...... in her vast pay packet, not in York! Much like her pal's Kersten England, who is paid £137,500/yr and who also doesn't live in York! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 28

1:45pm Thu 3 Jul 14

sonorbloke says...

welderboy wrote:
JHardacre wrote:
Oaklands Resident wrote: A legitimate complaint. The project is more than 3 months behind schedule and project management is non existent. They are making traffic congestion worse by doing the landscaping (yellow flower planting) at the busiest times of the day. Merrett/Levene have a lot of explaining to do. They should not hide behind Sally Burns. Labour Councillors wanted to be in the photo of the (premature) opening of the Park and Ride site. Now they should take responsibility for the mistakes. We are all waiting for the explanantions
Sadly not the only project over running. The new petrol station newar Pocklington still proudly displays that sign that it will open in 'Spring 2014'. Doh!
Pocklington or Poppleton???
He does mean Pocklington, though to be fair the services there are going up very rapidly, even if the start was delayed. There's no comparison at all between that as a private sector construction project with no effect on traffic whatsoever and the world's slowest public sector roundabout construction, it's a useless argument.
[quote][p][bold]welderboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: A legitimate complaint. The project is more than 3 months behind schedule and project management is non existent. They are making traffic congestion worse by doing the landscaping (yellow flower planting) at the busiest times of the day. Merrett/Levene have a lot of explaining to do. They should not hide behind Sally Burns. Labour Councillors wanted to be in the photo of the (premature) opening of the Park and Ride site. Now they should take responsibility for the mistakes. We are all waiting for the explanantions[/p][/quote]Sadly not the only project over running. The new petrol station newar Pocklington still proudly displays that sign that it will open in 'Spring 2014'. Doh![/p][/quote]Pocklington or Poppleton???[/p][/quote]He does mean Pocklington, though to be fair the services there are going up very rapidly, even if the start was delayed. There's no comparison at all between that as a private sector construction project with no effect on traffic whatsoever and the world's slowest public sector roundabout construction, it's a useless argument. sonorbloke
  • Score: 5

2:09pm Thu 3 Jul 14

the original Homer says...

only human wrote:
I dont see any likely improvement in the traffic flow at this horrifically slow junction.All they seem to have done is plonk a bigger roundabout in the road and put them confusuing double arrows for traffic going straight over,which is crazy when the road just narrows into one lane as soon as you get across the roundabout anyway so all that will happen is the eager beavers or road bullys will go into the right hand lane to go straight ober and then slam all on as they nudge their way into those who take the left hand lane to go straight over and stay in lane.
Its just like when ypu are coming back from the coast on the a64 snd you get them long tailbacks for the same reason,2 lanes merging into one just doesnt ease the traffic it just makes it grind to a halt and causes chaos.
No doubt the park and ride buses wil be getting a preferential lane too.
By "eager beavers and road bullys" you presumably mean those who drive according to the road markings.

Many drivers are still in the dark ages and think they should all queue in the left hand lane. They think anyone using the right hand lane is a queue jumper. Some (especially wagon drivers) seem to think it's OK to block the right hand lane to discourage this so called queue jumping.

Truth is that both lanes should be used to capacity as that is more efficient use of the road space and shortens the length of the queue behind the junction. When the lanes merge, traffic should merge in turn using the zip-fastener principle.

Conflicts do occur, usually due to drivers in the left hand lane refusing to let the right land lane merge. If there is any doubt about whose turn it is, the underlying rule is to give way to traffic from the right.

I almost always use the right hand lane in such circumstances, as it is usually the "lane of least resistance". That doesn't make me an eager beaver or a road bully, it just shows that I know how to use the road.
[quote][p][bold]only human[/bold] wrote: I dont see any likely improvement in the traffic flow at this horrifically slow junction.All they seem to have done is plonk a bigger roundabout in the road and put them confusuing double arrows for traffic going straight over,which is crazy when the road just narrows into one lane as soon as you get across the roundabout anyway so all that will happen is the eager beavers or road bullys will go into the right hand lane to go straight ober and then slam all on as they nudge their way into those who take the left hand lane to go straight over and stay in lane. Its just like when ypu are coming back from the coast on the a64 snd you get them long tailbacks for the same reason,2 lanes merging into one just doesnt ease the traffic it just makes it grind to a halt and causes chaos. No doubt the park and ride buses wil be getting a preferential lane too.[/p][/quote]By "eager beavers and road bullys" you presumably mean those who drive according to the road markings. Many drivers are still in the dark ages and think they should all queue in the left hand lane. They think anyone using the right hand lane is a queue jumper. Some (especially wagon drivers) seem to think it's OK to block the right hand lane to discourage this so called queue jumping. Truth is that both lanes should be used to capacity as that is more efficient use of the road space and shortens the length of the queue behind the junction. When the lanes merge, traffic should merge in turn using the zip-fastener principle. Conflicts do occur, usually due to drivers in the left hand lane refusing to let the right land lane merge. If there is any doubt about whose turn it is, the underlying rule is to give way to traffic from the right. I almost always use the right hand lane in such circumstances, as it is usually the "lane of least resistance". That doesn't make me an eager beaver or a road bully, it just shows that I know how to use the road. the original Homer
  • Score: 5

2:10pm Thu 3 Jul 14

pedalling paul says...

Well I'll be blowed wrote:
At the end of the day it is difficult to see just how much difference this badly implemented and very costly scheme will make to traffic flows.

It seems very unlikely that there will be any significant reduction in the queues at the A59 / A1237 roundabout at rush hour time. That will only be relieved by doubling the A1237; but if building that meant having to put up wth the sort of disuruption we have had on the A1237 for the past 2 years or more I would rather carry on as now.

I would guess that if the total delays experienced during the road works were added and compared to the usual delays before the roadworks it would take a good few years before an overall benefit could be shown. Who did the cost to benefit analysis?
The A1237 roundabouts have been found to restrict capacity far more than the single carriageway. That's why York's current Govt. grants are being focused there.
I travelled by car along this road mid morning today with no significant delays. Why cover more green countryside in Tarmac , to cater for transient peak travel periods? Hardly cost effective.
Catch the P&R R if you want to help make a real
difference.
[quote][p][bold]Well I'll be blowed[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day it is difficult to see just how much difference this badly implemented and very costly scheme will make to traffic flows. It seems very unlikely that there will be any significant reduction in the queues at the A59 / A1237 roundabout at rush hour time. That will only be relieved by doubling the A1237; but if building that meant having to put up wth the sort of disuruption we have had on the A1237 for the past 2 years or more I would rather carry on as now. I would guess that if the total delays experienced during the road works were added and compared to the usual delays before the roadworks it would take a good few years before an overall benefit could be shown. Who did the cost to benefit analysis?[/p][/quote]The A1237 roundabouts have been found to restrict capacity far more than the single carriageway. That's why York's current Govt. grants are being focused there. I travelled by car along this road mid morning today with no significant delays. Why cover more green countryside in Tarmac , to cater for transient peak travel periods? Hardly cost effective. Catch the P&R R if you want to help make a real difference. pedalling paul
  • Score: -31

2:35pm Thu 3 Jul 14

yorkdiamond says...

"When the lanes merge, traffic should merge in turn using the zip-fastener principle."

you will find however that when the lanes separate they do not use the zip fastener principle as people dont know how bad the other side of the roundabout is going to be, i know my car comes with esp but even that isnt psychic.

the system doesn't work as people go out of turn.
"When the lanes merge, traffic should merge in turn using the zip-fastener principle." you will find however that when the lanes separate they do not use the zip fastener principle as people dont know how bad the other side of the roundabout is going to be, i know my car comes with esp but even that isnt psychic. the system doesn't work as people go out of turn. yorkdiamond
  • Score: 11

2:37pm Thu 3 Jul 14

russeboy says...

Why has there never been a comment or statement explaining why these works are taking so long. I drive to Harrogate every day and have to use this junction - I was understanding at first now I'm just frustrated that the employees and contractors of Balfour Beatty and YCC spend most of the ime watching one bloke working.

I passed this morning to be further delayed by plants and flowers bieng delivered to the roundabout - looks like their are trying to polish the preverbial.
Why has there never been a comment or statement explaining why these works are taking so long. I drive to Harrogate every day and have to use this junction - I was understanding at first now I'm just frustrated that the employees and contractors of Balfour Beatty and YCC spend most of the ime watching one bloke working. I passed this morning to be further delayed by plants and flowers bieng delivered to the roundabout - looks like their are trying to polish the preverbial. russeboy
  • Score: 14

2:49pm Thu 3 Jul 14

uriahh says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Well I'll be blowed wrote:
At the end of the day it is difficult to see just how much difference this badly implemented and very costly scheme will make to traffic flows.

It seems very unlikely that there will be any significant reduction in the queues at the A59 / A1237 roundabout at rush hour time. That will only be relieved by doubling the A1237; but if building that meant having to put up wth the sort of disuruption we have had on the A1237 for the past 2 years or more I would rather carry on as now.

I would guess that if the total delays experienced during the road works were added and compared to the usual delays before the roadworks it would take a good few years before an overall benefit could be shown. Who did the cost to benefit analysis?
The A1237 roundabouts have been found to restrict capacity far more than the single carriageway. That's why York's current Govt. grants are being focused there.
I travelled by car along this road mid morning today with no significant delays. Why cover more green countryside in Tarmac , to cater for transient peak travel periods? Hardly cost effective.
Catch the P&R R if you want to help make a real
difference.
The problem on the Ring Road is not traffic going into York but going around York or just to the other side. As such the P&R does not significantly reduce congestion on the Ring Road.

YCC advise that 25% of the traffic using the eastbound A59 will wish to use the P&R at Poppleton. This effectively is an average peak, whereas at times the instantaneous peak for which the system must be designed is something like 35-40% of the measured and forecast total traffic in this easterly direction! Similarly the instantaneous peak traffic travelling eastwards into the roundabout could be 85% or so of the total traffic.
The problems with the scheme as being built include the turn right lane for traffic entering the P&R on the A59 is relatively short, and the additional lanes for the possible instantaneous peak traffic is 85% total traffic flow entering the Roundabout and ridiculously short. Traffic will tend to backup blocking traffic behind regardless of which direction they may wish to travel. Given the more complex and controlled traffic movements and crossings now intended in this area, the increased interference to normal traffic flows provided by the proposed traffic lights, the closeness of the traffic lights to the roundabout and the interactions between the 2 traffic crossing areas, the tendency for traffic on the A59 to be in long discontinuous mini-convoys due to slow and/or local crossing traffic, and even the stacking up of traffic at the Poppleton Railway Station level crossing then it seems likely that gridlocks will occur and not reductions in congestion and tailbacks. I hope I'm wrong, for everyone's sake!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Well I'll be blowed[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day it is difficult to see just how much difference this badly implemented and very costly scheme will make to traffic flows. It seems very unlikely that there will be any significant reduction in the queues at the A59 / A1237 roundabout at rush hour time. That will only be relieved by doubling the A1237; but if building that meant having to put up wth the sort of disuruption we have had on the A1237 for the past 2 years or more I would rather carry on as now. I would guess that if the total delays experienced during the road works were added and compared to the usual delays before the roadworks it would take a good few years before an overall benefit could be shown. Who did the cost to benefit analysis?[/p][/quote]The A1237 roundabouts have been found to restrict capacity far more than the single carriageway. That's why York's current Govt. grants are being focused there. I travelled by car along this road mid morning today with no significant delays. Why cover more green countryside in Tarmac , to cater for transient peak travel periods? Hardly cost effective. Catch the P&R R if you want to help make a real difference.[/p][/quote]The problem on the Ring Road is not traffic going into York but going around York or just to the other side. As such the P&R does not significantly reduce congestion on the Ring Road. YCC advise that 25% of the traffic using the eastbound A59 will wish to use the P&R at Poppleton. This effectively is an average peak, whereas at times the instantaneous peak for which the system must be designed is something like 35-40% of the measured and forecast total traffic in this easterly direction! Similarly the instantaneous peak traffic travelling eastwards into the roundabout could be 85% or so of the total traffic. The problems with the scheme as being built include the turn right lane for traffic entering the P&R on the A59 is relatively short, and the additional lanes for the possible instantaneous peak traffic is 85% total traffic flow entering the Roundabout and ridiculously short. Traffic will tend to backup blocking traffic behind regardless of which direction they may wish to travel. Given the more complex and controlled traffic movements and crossings now intended in this area, the increased interference to normal traffic flows provided by the proposed traffic lights, the closeness of the traffic lights to the roundabout and the interactions between the 2 traffic crossing areas, the tendency for traffic on the A59 to be in long discontinuous mini-convoys due to slow and/or local crossing traffic, and even the stacking up of traffic at the Poppleton Railway Station level crossing then it seems likely that gridlocks will occur and not reductions in congestion and tailbacks. I hope I'm wrong, for everyone's sake! uriahh
  • Score: 15

2:52pm Thu 3 Jul 14

sortyorkout says...

You can view the completed works predicted queuing times by downloading the consultation leaflet here. Finger in the air stuff really...

http://www.york.gov.
uk/downloads/file/51
72/poppleton_bar_hig
hway_works-consultat
ion_leaflet
You can view the completed works predicted queuing times by downloading the consultation leaflet here. Finger in the air stuff really... http://www.york.gov. uk/downloads/file/51 72/poppleton_bar_hig hway_works-consultat ion_leaflet sortyorkout
  • Score: 5

3:06pm Thu 3 Jul 14

eeoodares says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation".
Wow, you really are a troll.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation".[/p][/quote]Wow, you really are a troll. eeoodares
  • Score: 14

3:21pm Thu 3 Jul 14

BethFoxhunter96 says...

The Council is in a very tricky situation here. It's a question of balance of residents locally vs the bigger picture. I do feel very sorry for the families affected, but it should be for the best in the long term. There are questions to ask about the project management but doesn't seem to be a political issue here. If the conservatives or liberals were "in power" would work go any quicker; would the ground conditions suddenly change so that progress was easier? Given that this is a physical job performed by professional Council officers (Sally Burns down to sub-contractors) I don't think it's really about competence... these sorts of building projects always seem to go on longer than expected, even if you've got the best, most expensive contractors in the UK on the task!
The Council is in a very tricky situation here. It's a question of balance of residents locally vs the bigger picture. I do feel very sorry for the families affected, but it should be for the best in the long term. There are questions to ask about the project management but doesn't seem to be a political issue here. If the conservatives or liberals were "in power" would work go any quicker; would the ground conditions suddenly change so that progress was easier? Given that this is a physical job performed by professional Council officers (Sally Burns down to sub-contractors) I don't think it's really about competence... these sorts of building projects always seem to go on longer than expected, even if you've got the best, most expensive contractors in the UK on the task! BethFoxhunter96
  • Score: -28

3:28pm Thu 3 Jul 14

BethFoxhunter96 says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
What an arrogant reply by Sally Burns - after people have had sleepless nights and have had their lives disrupted for weeks - nay months she dismissed the complaint with the statement that they will be dressing the A59 with yellow. Unbelievable how far out of touch this council and its officers are with the residents of York!
Sally Burns is paid a salary of £102,766/yr, and lives in East Yorkshire.

It's not hard to figure out where her loyalties and committment lies...... in her vast pay packet, not in York!

Much like her pal's Kersten England, who is paid £137,500/yr and who also doesn't live in York!
I don't really see what the salary of senior officers, or where they live, has got to do with anything. Are you suggesting all officers who work for CYC should live in the Council's boundary area? Or that senior wages should decrease (which I believe they recently have done - may be wrong?). If you decrease pay you risk losing the ability to get good professionals, and I believe that people should be able to live where they choose. In terms of getting the quality of staff, there seems to be a process whereby senior AD's and CEX are appointed by a cross-panel non partisan committee, which is effectively a job interview based on technical merit. In the sort of political environment of the Council I don't see how else top staff can be attracted and appointed fairly? Mistakes will always happen but I just don't see what your points have to do with anything, other than being a tad vindictive or dare I say petty. Stand for election or get the skills, qualifications and experience and apply for the job when it becomes vacant if you want to see it "from the other side"?
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: What an arrogant reply by Sally Burns - after people have had sleepless nights and have had their lives disrupted for weeks - nay months she dismissed the complaint with the statement that they will be dressing the A59 with yellow. Unbelievable how far out of touch this council and its officers are with the residents of York![/p][/quote]Sally Burns is paid a salary of £102,766/yr, and lives in East Yorkshire. It's not hard to figure out where her loyalties and committment lies...... in her vast pay packet, not in York! Much like her pal's Kersten England, who is paid £137,500/yr and who also doesn't live in York![/p][/quote]I don't really see what the salary of senior officers, or where they live, has got to do with anything. Are you suggesting all officers who work for CYC should live in the Council's boundary area? Or that senior wages should decrease (which I believe they recently have done - may be wrong?). If you decrease pay you risk losing the ability to get good professionals, and I believe that people should be able to live where they choose. In terms of getting the quality of staff, there seems to be a process whereby senior AD's and CEX are appointed by a cross-panel non partisan committee, which is effectively a job interview based on technical merit. In the sort of political environment of the Council I don't see how else top staff can be attracted and appointed fairly? Mistakes will always happen but I just don't see what your points have to do with anything, other than being a tad vindictive or dare I say petty. Stand for election or get the skills, qualifications and experience and apply for the job when it becomes vacant if you want to see it "from the other side"? BethFoxhunter96
  • Score: -20

3:43pm Thu 3 Jul 14

the original Homer says...

yorkdiamond wrote:
"When the lanes merge, traffic should merge in turn using the zip-fastener principle."

you will find however that when the lanes separate they do not use the zip fastener principle as people dont know how bad the other side of the roundabout is going to be, i know my car comes with esp but even that isnt psychic.

the system doesn't work as people go out of turn.
When the lanes separate you should take the lane of least resistance (i.e the emptiest or free-est flowing). You should then stay in that lane until the lanes merge.

If your chosen lane happens to then move slower then that's just the way it is. If it seems to happen a lot then you're not judging the lane of least resistance very well.

The right hand lane is usually the emptiest in these situations, and the only real reason that would then work out slower is if the people in the left hand lane are driving badly and not allowing merging. That's a separate issue.

Technology won't give us psychic cars, but it has already given us cameras we can fit to our cars to record bad driving. Hard to say where that will lead, but they could become mandatory eventually and even automatically upload to central databases. I don't see prosecutions being made on that basis, but insurance companies are always looking for ways to weight premiums against higher risk drivers. Maybe we'll see a "Dob a dipstick" scheme where you report bad driving and they investigate and keep score?
[quote][p][bold]yorkdiamond[/bold] wrote: "When the lanes merge, traffic should merge in turn using the zip-fastener principle." you will find however that when the lanes separate they do not use the zip fastener principle as people dont know how bad the other side of the roundabout is going to be, i know my car comes with esp but even that isnt psychic. the system doesn't work as people go out of turn.[/p][/quote]When the lanes separate you should take the lane of least resistance (i.e the emptiest or free-est flowing). You should then stay in that lane until the lanes merge. If your chosen lane happens to then move slower then that's just the way it is. If it seems to happen a lot then you're not judging the lane of least resistance very well. The right hand lane is usually the emptiest in these situations, and the only real reason that would then work out slower is if the people in the left hand lane are driving badly and not allowing merging. That's a separate issue. Technology won't give us psychic cars, but it has already given us cameras we can fit to our cars to record bad driving. Hard to say where that will lead, but they could become mandatory eventually and even automatically upload to central databases. I don't see prosecutions being made on that basis, but insurance companies are always looking for ways to weight premiums against higher risk drivers. Maybe we'll see a "Dob a dipstick" scheme where you report bad driving and they investigate and keep score? the original Homer
  • Score: -5

3:54pm Thu 3 Jul 14

GMuser says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Well I'll be blowed wrote:
At the end of the day it is difficult to see just how much difference this badly implemented and very costly scheme will make to traffic flows.

It seems very unlikely that there will be any significant reduction in the queues at the A59 / A1237 roundabout at rush hour time. That will only be relieved by doubling the A1237; but if building that meant having to put up wth the sort of disuruption we have had on the A1237 for the past 2 years or more I would rather carry on as now.

I would guess that if the total delays experienced during the road works were added and compared to the usual delays before the roadworks it would take a good few years before an overall benefit could be shown. Who did the cost to benefit analysis?
The A1237 roundabouts have been found to restrict capacity far more than the single carriageway. That's why York's current Govt. grants are being focused there.
I travelled by car along this road mid morning today with no significant delays. Why cover more green countryside in Tarmac , to cater for transient peak travel periods? Hardly cost effective.
Catch the P&R R if you want to help make a real
difference.
I wonder if PP can grasp the concept of traffic management??? Any roundabout is liable to cause a restriction to flow. Had the outer ring road been properly designed and built from the beginning as a dual carriage way with intersections. Then the only hold ups would be for those chosing to leave at a particular exit.... all traffic that needs to go past a junction would be uninterupted and flow around York would be continuous. The fact that ALL traffic has to negotiate countless badly designed roundabouts is the major cause of the problem. So no amount of messing about with the roundabouts will solve the basic problem. And of course all this current stop/start and queueing traffic is great for the environment!!!.
And NO Paul riding a bike or a bus does not in anyway have any impact on a basic problem of a badly desined and thoughout concept of moving traffic around (Not into) York. BUT I have no doubt as usual you will deem logic as contrary to your distorted transport visions
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Well I'll be blowed[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day it is difficult to see just how much difference this badly implemented and very costly scheme will make to traffic flows. It seems very unlikely that there will be any significant reduction in the queues at the A59 / A1237 roundabout at rush hour time. That will only be relieved by doubling the A1237; but if building that meant having to put up wth the sort of disuruption we have had on the A1237 for the past 2 years or more I would rather carry on as now. I would guess that if the total delays experienced during the road works were added and compared to the usual delays before the roadworks it would take a good few years before an overall benefit could be shown. Who did the cost to benefit analysis?[/p][/quote]The A1237 roundabouts have been found to restrict capacity far more than the single carriageway. That's why York's current Govt. grants are being focused there. I travelled by car along this road mid morning today with no significant delays. Why cover more green countryside in Tarmac , to cater for transient peak travel periods? Hardly cost effective. Catch the P&R R if you want to help make a real difference.[/p][/quote]I wonder if PP can grasp the concept of traffic management??? Any roundabout is liable to cause a restriction to flow. Had the outer ring road been properly designed and built from the beginning as a dual carriage way with intersections. Then the only hold ups would be for those chosing to leave at a particular exit.... all traffic that needs to go past a junction would be uninterupted and flow around York would be continuous. The fact that ALL traffic has to negotiate countless badly designed roundabouts is the major cause of the problem. So no amount of messing about with the roundabouts will solve the basic problem. And of course all this current stop/start and queueing traffic is great for the environment!!!. And NO Paul riding a bike or a bus does not in anyway have any impact on a basic problem of a badly desined and thoughout concept of moving traffic around (Not into) York. BUT I have no doubt as usual you will deem logic as contrary to your distorted transport visions GMuser
  • Score: 19

3:57pm Thu 3 Jul 14

FortessBC says...

Main thing is its ready for Grand Depart
Main thing is its ready for Grand Depart FortessBC
  • Score: -9

3:58pm Thu 3 Jul 14

the original Homer says...

BethFoxhunter96 wrote:
The Council is in a very tricky situation here. It's a question of balance of residents locally vs the bigger picture. I do feel very sorry for the families affected, but it should be for the best in the long term. There are questions to ask about the project management but doesn't seem to be a political issue here. If the conservatives or liberals were "in power" would work go any quicker; would the ground conditions suddenly change so that progress was easier? Given that this is a physical job performed by professional Council officers (Sally Burns down to sub-contractors) I don't think it's really about competence... these sorts of building projects always seem to go on longer than expected, even if you've got the best, most expensive contractors in the UK on the task!
If the projects always go on longer than expected then that contingency should be factored into the project planning.

The TdF was already known about, so the job needed to start earlier to allow for problems, or to have more men assigned to it.

Working 24 hour days at the very end is bad planning. They could have just worked a few hours extra each week to catch up if someone had had their eye on the ball.
[quote][p][bold]BethFoxhunter96[/bold] wrote: The Council is in a very tricky situation here. It's a question of balance of residents locally vs the bigger picture. I do feel very sorry for the families affected, but it should be for the best in the long term. There are questions to ask about the project management but doesn't seem to be a political issue here. If the conservatives or liberals were "in power" would work go any quicker; would the ground conditions suddenly change so that progress was easier? Given that this is a physical job performed by professional Council officers (Sally Burns down to sub-contractors) I don't think it's really about competence... these sorts of building projects always seem to go on longer than expected, even if you've got the best, most expensive contractors in the UK on the task![/p][/quote]If the projects always go on longer than expected then that contingency should be factored into the project planning. The TdF was already known about, so the job needed to start earlier to allow for problems, or to have more men assigned to it. Working 24 hour days at the very end is bad planning. They could have just worked a few hours extra each week to catch up if someone had had their eye on the ball. the original Homer
  • Score: 9

4:42pm Thu 3 Jul 14

CaroleBaines says...

Not a good situation and the delays have been a bit much - but am not sure the hyperbole is warranted from this letter writer. Russia, weeks of hell, solicitors etc etc. There are more things in life than getting steamed up about a bit of noise. This is so symptomatic of society nowadays - me, me, me and I'll sue if me-me-me doesn't get things my way. Big sigh.
Not a good situation and the delays have been a bit much - but am not sure the hyperbole is warranted from this letter writer. Russia, weeks of hell, solicitors etc etc. There are more things in life than getting steamed up about a bit of noise. This is so symptomatic of society nowadays - me, me, me and I'll sue if me-me-me doesn't get things my way. Big sigh. CaroleBaines
  • Score: -13

4:46pm Thu 3 Jul 14

CHISSY1 says...

eeoodares wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation".
Wow, you really are a troll.
Is that the best you can come up with.You are just the sort of person i am referring to in my other post.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation".[/p][/quote]Wow, you really are a troll.[/p][/quote]Is that the best you can come up with.You are just the sort of person i am referring to in my other post. CHISSY1
  • Score: -9

4:52pm Thu 3 Jul 14

CaroleBaines says...

My apologies - not a letter writer, a Press contactor maybe. I can sympathise with the situation, I have relations who live on that road, but cannot see what heaping litigation and hyperbole onto an already frustrating situation will do.
Just my opinion, of course.
My apologies - not a letter writer, a Press contactor maybe. I can sympathise with the situation, I have relations who live on that road, but cannot see what heaping litigation and hyperbole onto an already frustrating situation will do. Just my opinion, of course. CaroleBaines
  • Score: -11

5:06pm Thu 3 Jul 14

JHardacre says...

PP writes "Catch the P&R R if you want to help make a real difference." thus clearly missing the point that most journeys along the ring road are just that - along the ring road - not going into or out of the city which is what the P&R offers.
PP writes "Catch the P&R R if you want to help make a real difference." thus clearly missing the point that most journeys along the ring road are just that - along the ring road - not going into or out of the city which is what the P&R offers. JHardacre
  • Score: 20

5:58pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Miles Davis says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation".
What a Richard Cranium you are. You obviously have not had a disturbed sleep due to continuous roadworks have you?! Some of the people near these roadworks have children and they also have to work a full day too. Not getting enough sleep due to a project that is 3 months overdue and is being rushed and panicked through due to a sporting event is debilitating and heartbreaking. This doesn't benefit people in Poppleton as they already have a good train link into town.
I wonder if there will be all night work when they start to build the 2,800 homes just north of the Park and Ride?!
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation".[/p][/quote]What a Richard Cranium you are. You obviously have not had a disturbed sleep due to continuous roadworks have you?! Some of the people near these roadworks have children and they also have to work a full day too. Not getting enough sleep due to a project that is 3 months overdue and is being rushed and panicked through due to a sporting event is debilitating and heartbreaking. This doesn't benefit people in Poppleton as they already have a good train link into town. I wonder if there will be all night work when they start to build the 2,800 homes just north of the Park and Ride?! Miles Davis
  • Score: 12

6:02pm Thu 3 Jul 14

nottoooldtocare says...

Half the problem with the work is the whole thing is way over the top to attract additional funding from the government. There are pedestrian islands and an underpass, does it need both, no. Does it need to be as elaborate, no. All that was required is the building of the P&R and access to and from it. After all, if we believe COY and the PP's of the world the P&R is the cure all to congestion. So, if there was a P&R and all the traffic heading for the city centre was to use it, would we need all these new lanes and underpasses. Would you heck. How many cyclists do you see heading into York on the A59 from Poppleton, not many that's for sure.
No wonder this country is in a mess, too reliant on consultants/architec
ts to design out all the risk and take the blame rather than having a few good engineers on the team who could do it in house. Scandalous.
Half the problem with the work is the whole thing is way over the top to attract additional funding from the government. There are pedestrian islands and an underpass, does it need both, no. Does it need to be as elaborate, no. All that was required is the building of the P&R and access to and from it. After all, if we believe COY and the PP's of the world the P&R is the cure all to congestion. So, if there was a P&R and all the traffic heading for the city centre was to use it, would we need all these new lanes and underpasses. Would you heck. How many cyclists do you see heading into York on the A59 from Poppleton, not many that's for sure. No wonder this country is in a mess, too reliant on consultants/architec ts to design out all the risk and take the blame rather than having a few good engineers on the team who could do it in house. Scandalous. nottoooldtocare
  • Score: 11

7:30pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Kitkat13 says...

I too live on station road I bought my house in December 2012. We were told about the work when we bought our house but were told it would be done by May 2014 it's July. We were not offered any other accommodation instead were told to claim for compensation which we haven't heard a thing of. Last night we were given free tickets from the council to the gran departy for tomorrow at the value of £20 each some what to compensate us. The work is really noise and smelly. I can't hang my washing out because of the tar. Currently they are burning the old marks of the road and there is a big dirty dust cloud coming towards our homes. I too have found it difficult to sleep they did put up a big light with out warning which was pointing in the direction of my bedroom window. Work goes on through out the night with delayed warnings. The road shut with delayed warning. What I mean my delayed warning they tell us the day after they've done it.
I too live on station road I bought my house in December 2012. We were told about the work when we bought our house but were told it would be done by May 2014 it's July. We were not offered any other accommodation instead were told to claim for compensation which we haven't heard a thing of. Last night we were given free tickets from the council to the gran departy for tomorrow at the value of £20 each some what to compensate us. The work is really noise and smelly. I can't hang my washing out because of the tar. Currently they are burning the old marks of the road and there is a big dirty dust cloud coming towards our homes. I too have found it difficult to sleep they did put up a big light with out warning which was pointing in the direction of my bedroom window. Work goes on through out the night with delayed warnings. The road shut with delayed warning. What I mean my delayed warning they tell us the day after they've done it. Kitkat13
  • Score: 11

7:50pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Cheeky face says...

Nottoooldtocare has a good point.

Road users should be approached by traffic planners at the outset..

Contracts should have penalty clauses.

Workers should work.

Supervisors should manage.

I noted to-day the traffic lights at the A165 roundabout near Osgodby, Scarborough P and R now has a plate saying "part time lights". Are lights planned here (on this area )24/7?

Living where he is unlucky; but it does not make it right that the jobs take too long if arranged by this council.
Nottoooldtocare has a good point. Road users should be approached by traffic planners at the outset.. Contracts should have penalty clauses. Workers should work. Supervisors should manage. I noted to-day the traffic lights at the A165 roundabout near Osgodby, Scarborough P and R now has a plate saying "part time lights". Are lights planned here (on this area )24/7? Living where he is unlucky; but it does not make it right that the jobs take too long if arranged by this council. Cheeky face
  • Score: 6

7:59pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Cheeky face says...

Well said kitkat. That takes the biscuit!
(They did not dare burn "restricted access" off the road either end of Lendal Bridge; and that black paint is wearing off! Result restricted access is re-appearing, and confusing.)

Has anyone used FOI to gets facts on the existing P and R sites in York? ( Costs, punctuality, feedback from all road users, investment appraisal etc).
Well said kitkat. That takes the biscuit! (They did not dare burn "restricted access" off the road either end of Lendal Bridge; and that black paint is wearing off! Result restricted access is re-appearing, and confusing.) Has anyone used FOI to gets facts on the existing P and R sites in York? ( Costs, punctuality, feedback from all road users, investment appraisal etc). Cheeky face
  • Score: 7

8:17pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Kandro says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation".
Idiot. Theyve had this noise for a long time & each day ...week....month....
of it wears you down. Im sure they were patient for as long as they could before they started feeling like this.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation".[/p][/quote]Idiot. Theyve had this noise for a long time & each day ...week....month.... of it wears you down. Im sure they were patient for as long as they could before they started feeling like this. Kandro
  • Score: 9

8:23pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Kandro says...

My opinion is that the rushing it at the end is due to vanity alone. The result is that showing off is considered to be worth hurting peoples lives to achieve.
This government are so out of touch with how to make people happy. I think they see us as people who will moan no matter what they do but that is obviously not the case. Its very easy to do some things that will restore the reputation of the council & probably would be very cheap too. They simply dont have the skills to figure out how to do it or the insight to see how effective such a small amount of effort would be
My opinion is that the rushing it at the end is due to vanity alone. The result is that showing off is considered to be worth hurting peoples lives to achieve. This government are so out of touch with how to make people happy. I think they see us as people who will moan no matter what they do but that is obviously not the case. Its very easy to do some things that will restore the reputation of the council & probably would be very cheap too. They simply dont have the skills to figure out how to do it or the insight to see how effective such a small amount of effort would be Kandro
  • Score: 7

8:23pm Thu 3 Jul 14

pedalling paul says...

The A1237 was designed by N Yorkshire County Council when it was the Highway Authority for York (remember 2-tier Local Government?) Much of it ran through Ryedale District Council territory, who gave planing consent for all the developments along it that have jacked up traffic levels. It was adopted as a trunk road by the Highways Agency, but detrunked after York became a Unitary Authority and handed to the then new CoYC.
So decide who is to blame for its perceived faults. And also consider the extent to which any capacity increases will encourage more car journeys..so called induced traffic. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow.
The A1237 was designed by N Yorkshire County Council when it was the Highway Authority for York (remember 2-tier Local Government?) Much of it ran through Ryedale District Council territory, who gave planing consent for all the developments along it that have jacked up traffic levels. It was adopted as a trunk road by the Highways Agency, but detrunked after York became a Unitary Authority and handed to the then new CoYC. So decide who is to blame for its perceived faults. And also consider the extent to which any capacity increases will encourage more car journeys..so called induced traffic. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow. pedalling paul
  • Score: -14

8:47pm Thu 3 Jul 14

DooftheDog says...

Kitkat13 wrote:
I too live on station road I bought my house in December 2012. We were told about the work when we bought our house but were told it would be done by May 2014 it's July. We were not offered any other accommodation instead were told to claim for compensation which we haven't heard a thing of. Last night we were given free tickets from the council to the gran departy for tomorrow at the value of £20 each some what to compensate us. The work is really noise and smelly. I can't hang my washing out because of the tar. Currently they are burning the old marks of the road and there is a big dirty dust cloud coming towards our homes. I too have found it difficult to sleep they did put up a big light with out warning which was pointing in the direction of my bedroom window. Work goes on through out the night with delayed warnings. The road shut with delayed warning. What I mean my delayed warning they tell us the day after they've done it.
You have my heartfelt sympathy. I live on Beckfield Lane and have had an extra 10-20 minutes added to my commute for months now by these roadworks but this pales in comparison to the disruption you must have suffered. I have driven nearby on a couple of night times recently and can vouch for the smell and dust. Keen as I am to see the area looking its best for TDF, I expect the Council to explain the delay and also to confirm what will be required from the contractors by way of penalties. No matter how big the project, if planned properly timescales should not slip so much. Not only that, but the Council has deliberately been putting out false information within the last few weeks. The date of 25/26th June was given as the completion date a week or so before tha when they must have known it was unachievable.
[quote][p][bold]Kitkat13[/bold] wrote: I too live on station road I bought my house in December 2012. We were told about the work when we bought our house but were told it would be done by May 2014 it's July. We were not offered any other accommodation instead were told to claim for compensation which we haven't heard a thing of. Last night we were given free tickets from the council to the gran departy for tomorrow at the value of £20 each some what to compensate us. The work is really noise and smelly. I can't hang my washing out because of the tar. Currently they are burning the old marks of the road and there is a big dirty dust cloud coming towards our homes. I too have found it difficult to sleep they did put up a big light with out warning which was pointing in the direction of my bedroom window. Work goes on through out the night with delayed warnings. The road shut with delayed warning. What I mean my delayed warning they tell us the day after they've done it.[/p][/quote]You have my heartfelt sympathy. I live on Beckfield Lane and have had an extra 10-20 minutes added to my commute for months now by these roadworks but this pales in comparison to the disruption you must have suffered. I have driven nearby on a couple of night times recently and can vouch for the smell and dust. Keen as I am to see the area looking its best for TDF, I expect the Council to explain the delay and also to confirm what will be required from the contractors by way of penalties. No matter how big the project, if planned properly timescales should not slip so much. Not only that, but the Council has deliberately been putting out false information within the last few weeks. The date of 25/26th June was given as the completion date a week or so before tha when they must have known it was unachievable. DooftheDog
  • Score: 11

10:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

bolero says...

pedalling paul wrote:
The A1237 was designed by N Yorkshire County Council when it was the Highway Authority for York (remember 2-tier Local Government?) Much of it ran through Ryedale District Council territory, who gave planing consent for all the developments along it that have jacked up traffic levels. It was adopted as a trunk road by the Highways Agency, but detrunked after York became a Unitary Authority and handed to the then new CoYC.
So decide who is to blame for its perceived faults. And also consider the extent to which any capacity increases will encourage more car journeys..so called induced traffic. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow.
What on earth are you talking about? The usual drivel being pedalled out.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: The A1237 was designed by N Yorkshire County Council when it was the Highway Authority for York (remember 2-tier Local Government?) Much of it ran through Ryedale District Council territory, who gave planing consent for all the developments along it that have jacked up traffic levels. It was adopted as a trunk road by the Highways Agency, but detrunked after York became a Unitary Authority and handed to the then new CoYC. So decide who is to blame for its perceived faults. And also consider the extent to which any capacity increases will encourage more car journeys..so called induced traffic. Bigger jams tomorrow instead of jam tomorrow.[/p][/quote]What on earth are you talking about? The usual drivel being pedalled out. bolero
  • Score: 9

10:55pm Thu 3 Jul 14

CHISSY1 says...

Miles Davis wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation".
What a Richard Cranium you are. You obviously have not had a disturbed sleep due to continuous roadworks have you?! Some of the people near these roadworks have children and they also have to work a full day too. Not getting enough sleep due to a project that is 3 months overdue and is being rushed and panicked through due to a sporting event is debilitating and heartbreaking. This doesn't benefit people in Poppleton as they already have a good train link into town.
I wonder if there will be all night work when they start to build the 2,800 homes just north of the Park and Ride?!
Who is this Richard Cranium.As regards disturbed sleep,you do not have a clue.
[quote][p][bold]Miles Davis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation".[/p][/quote]What a Richard Cranium you are. You obviously have not had a disturbed sleep due to continuous roadworks have you?! Some of the people near these roadworks have children and they also have to work a full day too. Not getting enough sleep due to a project that is 3 months overdue and is being rushed and panicked through due to a sporting event is debilitating and heartbreaking. This doesn't benefit people in Poppleton as they already have a good train link into town. I wonder if there will be all night work when they start to build the 2,800 homes just north of the Park and Ride?![/p][/quote]Who is this Richard Cranium.As regards disturbed sleep,you do not have a clue. CHISSY1
  • Score: -7

10:56pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Gluten Intolerant says...

The new traffic lights at the park and ride will only make traffic back up even more.even a fool would know that. Oh and what about the added traffic problems that will happen when the new Macdonalds and Costa open right next to this roundabout !!
The new traffic lights at the park and ride will only make traffic back up even more.even a fool would know that. Oh and what about the added traffic problems that will happen when the new Macdonalds and Costa open right next to this roundabout !! Gluten Intolerant
  • Score: 5

10:58pm Thu 3 Jul 14

PKH says...

BethFoxhunter96 wrote:
The Council is in a very tricky situation here. It's a question of balance of residents locally vs the bigger picture. I do feel very sorry for the families affected, but it should be for the best in the long term. There are questions to ask about the project management but doesn't seem to be a political issue here. If the conservatives or liberals were "in power" would work go any quicker; would the ground conditions suddenly change so that progress was easier? Given that this is a physical job performed by professional Council officers (Sally Burns down to sub-contractors) I don't think it's really about competence... these sorts of building projects always seem to go on longer than expected, even if you've got the best, most expensive contractors in the UK on the task!
NOT ON THE RAILWAY!!!!! If there was it would be on every news programme on every channel. Why don't contracts like this do not have penalty clauses for overruns, if they did contractors would not mess about at the beginning of works doing sweet FA for weeks on end, they would knuckle down and get on with it right away. The railways at Dawlish did far more work in a matter of weeks than at Poppleton in a year!!!
[quote][p][bold]BethFoxhunter96[/bold] wrote: The Council is in a very tricky situation here. It's a question of balance of residents locally vs the bigger picture. I do feel very sorry for the families affected, but it should be for the best in the long term. There are questions to ask about the project management but doesn't seem to be a political issue here. If the conservatives or liberals were "in power" would work go any quicker; would the ground conditions suddenly change so that progress was easier? Given that this is a physical job performed by professional Council officers (Sally Burns down to sub-contractors) I don't think it's really about competence... these sorts of building projects always seem to go on longer than expected, even if you've got the best, most expensive contractors in the UK on the task![/p][/quote]NOT ON THE RAILWAY!!!!! If there was it would be on every news programme on every channel. Why don't contracts like this do not have penalty clauses for overruns, if they did contractors would not mess about at the beginning of works doing sweet FA for weeks on end, they would knuckle down and get on with it right away. The railways at Dawlish did far more work in a matter of weeks than at Poppleton in a year!!! PKH
  • Score: 6

12:28am Fri 4 Jul 14

inthesticks says...

FortessBC wrote:
Main thing is its ready for Grand Depart
And how embarrassing it will be if it isn`t. Tonight at 8pm workmen were still resurfacing outside Wyevale and it looks as if there`s still a lot to do. 2 days to go.
[quote][p][bold]FortessBC[/bold] wrote: Main thing is its ready for Grand Depart[/p][/quote]And how embarrassing it will be if it isn`t. Tonight at 8pm workmen were still resurfacing outside Wyevale and it looks as if there`s still a lot to do. 2 days to go. inthesticks
  • Score: 3

12:38am Fri 4 Jul 14

AnotherPointofView says...

CHISSY1 wrote:
Miles Davis wrote:
CHISSY1 wrote:
Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation".
What a Richard Cranium you are. You obviously have not had a disturbed sleep due to continuous roadworks have you?! Some of the people near these roadworks have children and they also have to work a full day too. Not getting enough sleep due to a project that is 3 months overdue and is being rushed and panicked through due to a sporting event is debilitating and heartbreaking. This doesn't benefit people in Poppleton as they already have a good train link into town.
I wonder if there will be all night work when they start to build the 2,800 homes just north of the Park and Ride?!
Who is this Richard Cranium.As regards disturbed sleep,you do not have a clue.
The troll from Selby can't work out what Richard Cranium is. What a Dick Head he must be.
[quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Miles Davis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CHISSY1[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning,it is not going to last forever.What next "we are traumatized,we want compensation".[/p][/quote]What a Richard Cranium you are. You obviously have not had a disturbed sleep due to continuous roadworks have you?! Some of the people near these roadworks have children and they also have to work a full day too. Not getting enough sleep due to a project that is 3 months overdue and is being rushed and panicked through due to a sporting event is debilitating and heartbreaking. This doesn't benefit people in Poppleton as they already have a good train link into town. I wonder if there will be all night work when they start to build the 2,800 homes just north of the Park and Ride?![/p][/quote]Who is this Richard Cranium.As regards disturbed sleep,you do not have a clue.[/p][/quote]The troll from Selby can't work out what Richard Cranium is. What a Dick Head he must be. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 4

12:54am Fri 4 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

BethFoxhunter96 wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Dr Brian wrote: What an arrogant reply by Sally Burns - after people have had sleepless nights and have had their lives disrupted for weeks - nay months she dismissed the complaint with the statement that they will be dressing the A59 with yellow. Unbelievable how far out of touch this council and its officers are with the residents of York!
Sally Burns is paid a salary of £102,766/yr, and lives in East Yorkshire. It's not hard to figure out where her loyalties and committment lies...... in her vast pay packet, not in York! Much like her pal's Kersten England, who is paid £137,500/yr and who also doesn't live in York!
I don't really see what the salary of senior officers, or where they live, has got to do with anything. Are you suggesting all officers who work for CYC should live in the Council's boundary area? Or that senior wages should decrease (which I believe they recently have done - may be wrong?). If you decrease pay you risk losing the ability to get good professionals, and I believe that people should be able to live where they choose. In terms of getting the quality of staff, there seems to be a process whereby senior AD's and CEX are appointed by a cross-panel non partisan committee, which is effectively a job interview based on technical merit. In the sort of political environment of the Council I don't see how else top staff can be attracted and appointed fairly? Mistakes will always happen but I just don't see what your points have to do with anything, other than being a tad vindictive or dare I say petty. Stand for election or get the skills, qualifications and experience and apply for the job when it becomes vacant if you want to see it "from the other side"?
The points I was making were that these officers are paid a fortune, and do a crap job. They pretend to care about York, but chose to live elsewhere. They are more interested in their common purpose (ideological) agenda, using York for a marxist objective.
[quote][p][bold]BethFoxhunter96[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: What an arrogant reply by Sally Burns - after people have had sleepless nights and have had their lives disrupted for weeks - nay months she dismissed the complaint with the statement that they will be dressing the A59 with yellow. Unbelievable how far out of touch this council and its officers are with the residents of York![/p][/quote]Sally Burns is paid a salary of £102,766/yr, and lives in East Yorkshire. It's not hard to figure out where her loyalties and committment lies...... in her vast pay packet, not in York! Much like her pal's Kersten England, who is paid £137,500/yr and who also doesn't live in York![/p][/quote]I don't really see what the salary of senior officers, or where they live, has got to do with anything. Are you suggesting all officers who work for CYC should live in the Council's boundary area? Or that senior wages should decrease (which I believe they recently have done - may be wrong?). If you decrease pay you risk losing the ability to get good professionals, and I believe that people should be able to live where they choose. In terms of getting the quality of staff, there seems to be a process whereby senior AD's and CEX are appointed by a cross-panel non partisan committee, which is effectively a job interview based on technical merit. In the sort of political environment of the Council I don't see how else top staff can be attracted and appointed fairly? Mistakes will always happen but I just don't see what your points have to do with anything, other than being a tad vindictive or dare I say petty. Stand for election or get the skills, qualifications and experience and apply for the job when it becomes vacant if you want to see it "from the other side"?[/p][/quote]The points I was making were that these officers are paid a fortune, and do a crap job. They pretend to care about York, but chose to live elsewhere. They are more interested in their common purpose (ideological) agenda, using York for a marxist objective. Badgers Drift
  • Score: 3

8:11am Fri 4 Jul 14

MrsHoney says...

Gluten Intolerant wrote:
The new traffic lights at the park and ride will only make traffic back up even more.even a fool would know that. Oh and what about the added traffic problems that will happen when the new Macdonalds and Costa open right next to this roundabout !!
There's going to be a Costa? This has put a different perspective on the whole inconvenience of it all!! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Gluten Intolerant[/bold] wrote: The new traffic lights at the park and ride will only make traffic back up even more.even a fool would know that. Oh and what about the added traffic problems that will happen when the new Macdonalds and Costa open right next to this roundabout !![/p][/quote]There's going to be a Costa? This has put a different perspective on the whole inconvenience of it all!! ;-) MrsHoney
  • Score: 0

9:10am Fri 4 Jul 14

PoppMan2 says...

There may not be night working but they were still burning the old lines off the road at 22:00 last night and there were still heavy construction vehicles moving about with incredible light shows from their yellow lights, reversing warning messages and the workmen shouting to each other well after midnight. Looks like they were desperately getting the road clear as I drove over it this morning. What can I say? It has every indication of a desperately hurried job, old lines still showing, very confusing layout: the splitter lanes appear very close to the roundabout (look out for lots of last minute changes of direction!); the exit from Station Road going towards York is at completely the wrong angle (this is a Give Way junction and you need to look back almost directly behind you to see if its clear) and the pedestrian islands have the tarmac surface lower than the kerbs by some way. No doubt this will all be rectified eventually after more disruption to residents and traffic, crashes and trips.

And when will the permanent traffic lights be in place - which will allow us to see exactly how much of an 'improvement' this has all brought?
There may not be night working but they were still burning the old lines off the road at 22:00 last night and there were still heavy construction vehicles moving about with incredible light shows from their yellow lights, reversing warning messages and the workmen shouting to each other well after midnight. Looks like they were desperately getting the road clear as I drove over it this morning. What can I say? It has every indication of a desperately hurried job, old lines still showing, very confusing layout: the splitter lanes appear very close to the roundabout (look out for lots of last minute changes of direction!); the exit from Station Road going towards York is at completely the wrong angle (this is a Give Way junction and you need to look back almost directly behind you to see if its clear) and the pedestrian islands have the tarmac surface lower than the kerbs by some way. No doubt this will all be rectified eventually after more disruption to residents and traffic, crashes and trips. And when will the permanent traffic lights be in place - which will allow us to see exactly how much of an 'improvement' this has all brought? PoppMan2
  • Score: 8

10:35am Fri 4 Jul 14

Cheeky face says...

Are permanent traffic lights planned?

Extended road works well past expected completion will eventually lead to concerns.

Are they rushing now because of the cycling?
Are permanent traffic lights planned? Extended road works well past expected completion will eventually lead to concerns. Are they rushing now because of the cycling? Cheeky face
  • Score: 5

11:50am Fri 4 Jul 14

johnwill says...

I would doubt it is the biggest infrastructure project York has seen since the 80's but it is certainly the worst managed ever seen in this country since project managers were invented .
I would doubt it is the biggest infrastructure project York has seen since the 80's but it is certainly the worst managed ever seen in this country since project managers were invented . johnwill
  • Score: 5

2:02pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Ichabod76 says...

Paul Cordock wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
BethFoxhunter96 wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Dr Brian wrote: What an arrogant reply by Sally Burns - after people have had sleepless nights and have had their lives disrupted for weeks - nay months she dismissed the complaint with the statement that they will be dressing the A59 with yellow. Unbelievable how far out of touch this council and its officers are with the residents of York!
Sally Burns is paid a salary of £102,766/yr, and lives in East Yorkshire. It's not hard to figure out where her loyalties and committment lies...... in her vast pay packet, not in York! Much like her pal's Kersten England, who is paid £137,500/yr and who also doesn't live in York!
I don't really see what the salary of senior officers, or where they live, has got to do with anything. Are you suggesting all officers who work for CYC should live in the Council's boundary area? Or that senior wages should decrease (which I believe they recently have done - may be wrong?). If you decrease pay you risk losing the ability to get good professionals, and I believe that people should be able to live where they choose. In terms of getting the quality of staff, there seems to be a process whereby senior AD's and CEX are appointed by a cross-panel non partisan committee, which is effectively a job interview based on technical merit. In the sort of political environment of the Council I don't see how else top staff can be attracted and appointed fairly? Mistakes will always happen but I just don't see what your points have to do with anything, other than being a tad vindictive or dare I say petty. Stand for election or get the skills, qualifications and experience and apply for the job when it becomes vacant if you want to see it "from the other side"?
The points I was making were that these officers are paid a fortune, and do a crap job. They pretend to care about York, but chose to live elsewhere. They are more interested in their common purpose (ideological) agenda, using York for a marxist objective.
Usual rubbish from the site troll. Is this bloke really as stupid as he comes across on here?
Yes, Yes you are !
[quote][p][bold]Paul Cordock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BethFoxhunter96[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: What an arrogant reply by Sally Burns - after people have had sleepless nights and have had their lives disrupted for weeks - nay months she dismissed the complaint with the statement that they will be dressing the A59 with yellow. Unbelievable how far out of touch this council and its officers are with the residents of York![/p][/quote]Sally Burns is paid a salary of £102,766/yr, and lives in East Yorkshire. It's not hard to figure out where her loyalties and committment lies...... in her vast pay packet, not in York! Much like her pal's Kersten England, who is paid £137,500/yr and who also doesn't live in York![/p][/quote]I don't really see what the salary of senior officers, or where they live, has got to do with anything. Are you suggesting all officers who work for CYC should live in the Council's boundary area? Or that senior wages should decrease (which I believe they recently have done - may be wrong?). If you decrease pay you risk losing the ability to get good professionals, and I believe that people should be able to live where they choose. In terms of getting the quality of staff, there seems to be a process whereby senior AD's and CEX are appointed by a cross-panel non partisan committee, which is effectively a job interview based on technical merit. In the sort of political environment of the Council I don't see how else top staff can be attracted and appointed fairly? Mistakes will always happen but I just don't see what your points have to do with anything, other than being a tad vindictive or dare I say petty. Stand for election or get the skills, qualifications and experience and apply for the job when it becomes vacant if you want to see it "from the other side"?[/p][/quote]The points I was making were that these officers are paid a fortune, and do a crap job. They pretend to care about York, but chose to live elsewhere. They are more interested in their common purpose (ideological) agenda, using York for a marxist objective.[/p][/quote]Usual rubbish from the site troll. Is this bloke really as stupid as he comes across on here?[/p][/quote]Yes, Yes you are ! Ichabod76
  • Score: 4

7:36pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

Paul Cordock wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
BethFoxhunter96 wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Dr Brian wrote: What an arrogant reply by Sally Burns - after people have had sleepless nights and have had their lives disrupted for weeks - nay months she dismissed the complaint with the statement that they will be dressing the A59 with yellow. Unbelievable how far out of touch this council and its officers are with the residents of York!
Sally Burns is paid a salary of £102,766/yr, and lives in East Yorkshire. It's not hard to figure out where her loyalties and committment lies...... in her vast pay packet, not in York! Much like her pal's Kersten England, who is paid £137,500/yr and who also doesn't live in York!
I don't really see what the salary of senior officers, or where they live, has got to do with anything. Are you suggesting all officers who work for CYC should live in the Council's boundary area? Or that senior wages should decrease (which I believe they recently have done - may be wrong?). If you decrease pay you risk losing the ability to get good professionals, and I believe that people should be able to live where they choose. In terms of getting the quality of staff, there seems to be a process whereby senior AD's and CEX are appointed by a cross-panel non partisan committee, which is effectively a job interview based on technical merit. In the sort of political environment of the Council I don't see how else top staff can be attracted and appointed fairly? Mistakes will always happen but I just don't see what your points have to do with anything, other than being a tad vindictive or dare I say petty. Stand for election or get the skills, qualifications and experience and apply for the job when it becomes vacant if you want to see it "from the other side"?
The points I was making were that these officers are paid a fortune, and do a crap job. They pretend to care about York, but chose to live elsewhere. They are more interested in their common purpose (ideological) agenda, using York for a marxist objective.
Usual rubbish from the site troll. Is this bloke really as stupid as he comes across on here?
You've got a nerve, using someone else's name.

It's an offence you know, and you will be dealt with in an appropriate manner..... ????
[quote][p][bold]Paul Cordock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BethFoxhunter96[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: What an arrogant reply by Sally Burns - after people have had sleepless nights and have had their lives disrupted for weeks - nay months she dismissed the complaint with the statement that they will be dressing the A59 with yellow. Unbelievable how far out of touch this council and its officers are with the residents of York![/p][/quote]Sally Burns is paid a salary of £102,766/yr, and lives in East Yorkshire. It's not hard to figure out where her loyalties and committment lies...... in her vast pay packet, not in York! Much like her pal's Kersten England, who is paid £137,500/yr and who also doesn't live in York![/p][/quote]I don't really see what the salary of senior officers, or where they live, has got to do with anything. Are you suggesting all officers who work for CYC should live in the Council's boundary area? Or that senior wages should decrease (which I believe they recently have done - may be wrong?). If you decrease pay you risk losing the ability to get good professionals, and I believe that people should be able to live where they choose. In terms of getting the quality of staff, there seems to be a process whereby senior AD's and CEX are appointed by a cross-panel non partisan committee, which is effectively a job interview based on technical merit. In the sort of political environment of the Council I don't see how else top staff can be attracted and appointed fairly? Mistakes will always happen but I just don't see what your points have to do with anything, other than being a tad vindictive or dare I say petty. Stand for election or get the skills, qualifications and experience and apply for the job when it becomes vacant if you want to see it "from the other side"?[/p][/quote]The points I was making were that these officers are paid a fortune, and do a crap job. They pretend to care about York, but chose to live elsewhere. They are more interested in their common purpose (ideological) agenda, using York for a marxist objective.[/p][/quote]Usual rubbish from the site troll. Is this bloke really as stupid as he comes across on here?[/p][/quote]You've got a nerve, using someone else's name. It's an offence you know, and you will be dealt with in an appropriate manner..... ???? Badgers Drift
  • Score: 3

7:37pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
Paul Cordock wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
BethFoxhunter96 wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Dr Brian wrote: What an arrogant reply by Sally Burns - after people have had sleepless nights and have had their lives disrupted for weeks - nay months she dismissed the complaint with the statement that they will be dressing the A59 with yellow. Unbelievable how far out of touch this council and its officers are with the residents of York!
Sally Burns is paid a salary of £102,766/yr, and lives in East Yorkshire. It's not hard to figure out where her loyalties and committment lies...... in her vast pay packet, not in York! Much like her pal's Kersten England, who is paid £137,500/yr and who also doesn't live in York!
I don't really see what the salary of senior officers, or where they live, has got to do with anything. Are you suggesting all officers who work for CYC should live in the Council's boundary area? Or that senior wages should decrease (which I believe they recently have done - may be wrong?). If you decrease pay you risk losing the ability to get good professionals, and I believe that people should be able to live where they choose. In terms of getting the quality of staff, there seems to be a process whereby senior AD's and CEX are appointed by a cross-panel non partisan committee, which is effectively a job interview based on technical merit. In the sort of political environment of the Council I don't see how else top staff can be attracted and appointed fairly? Mistakes will always happen but I just don't see what your points have to do with anything, other than being a tad vindictive or dare I say petty. Stand for election or get the skills, qualifications and experience and apply for the job when it becomes vacant if you want to see it "from the other side"?
The points I was making were that these officers are paid a fortune, and do a crap job. They pretend to care about York, but chose to live elsewhere. They are more interested in their common purpose (ideological) agenda, using York for a marxist objective.
Usual rubbish from the site troll. Is this bloke really as stupid as he comes across on here?
Yes, Yes you are !
By the way, he/she? is not Paul Cordock.
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Cordock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BethFoxhunter96[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: What an arrogant reply by Sally Burns - after people have had sleepless nights and have had their lives disrupted for weeks - nay months she dismissed the complaint with the statement that they will be dressing the A59 with yellow. Unbelievable how far out of touch this council and its officers are with the residents of York![/p][/quote]Sally Burns is paid a salary of £102,766/yr, and lives in East Yorkshire. It's not hard to figure out where her loyalties and committment lies...... in her vast pay packet, not in York! Much like her pal's Kersten England, who is paid £137,500/yr and who also doesn't live in York![/p][/quote]I don't really see what the salary of senior officers, or where they live, has got to do with anything. Are you suggesting all officers who work for CYC should live in the Council's boundary area? Or that senior wages should decrease (which I believe they recently have done - may be wrong?). If you decrease pay you risk losing the ability to get good professionals, and I believe that people should be able to live where they choose. In terms of getting the quality of staff, there seems to be a process whereby senior AD's and CEX are appointed by a cross-panel non partisan committee, which is effectively a job interview based on technical merit. In the sort of political environment of the Council I don't see how else top staff can be attracted and appointed fairly? Mistakes will always happen but I just don't see what your points have to do with anything, other than being a tad vindictive or dare I say petty. Stand for election or get the skills, qualifications and experience and apply for the job when it becomes vacant if you want to see it "from the other side"?[/p][/quote]The points I was making were that these officers are paid a fortune, and do a crap job. They pretend to care about York, but chose to live elsewhere. They are more interested in their common purpose (ideological) agenda, using York for a marxist objective.[/p][/quote]Usual rubbish from the site troll. Is this bloke really as stupid as he comes across on here?[/p][/quote]Yes, Yes you are ![/p][/quote]By the way, he/she? is not Paul Cordock. Badgers Drift
  • Score: 3

12:13am Sat 5 Jul 14

PoppMan2 says...

Cheeky face wrote:
Are permanent traffic lights planned?

Extended road works well past expected completion will eventually lead to concerns.

Are they rushing now because of the cycling?
Yes - permanent lights will be there and will seriously disrupt the A59. Buses and all the traffic coming out of the industrial units/offices and the garden centre have to stop traffic both ways on the A59 and traffic from Harrogate will have to stop traffic coming from the ring road roundabout to enter the P&R site/garden centre/industrial units/offices. While traffic from Poppleton to York wont need to stop any traffic, heading any other way will stop all other traffic!

And having come back through there tonight - what is with all the new pavements that suddenly stop and lose half their width? And why does one side of the road have an underpass for cyclists and pedestrians and a huge cycle lane while the other side has neither and has been narrowed making it worse for everyone?
[quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: Are permanent traffic lights planned? Extended road works well past expected completion will eventually lead to concerns. Are they rushing now because of the cycling?[/p][/quote]Yes - permanent lights will be there and will seriously disrupt the A59. Buses and all the traffic coming out of the industrial units/offices and the garden centre have to stop traffic both ways on the A59 and traffic from Harrogate will have to stop traffic coming from the ring road roundabout to enter the P&R site/garden centre/industrial units/offices. While traffic from Poppleton to York wont need to stop any traffic, heading any other way will stop all other traffic! And having come back through there tonight - what is with all the new pavements that suddenly stop and lose half their width? And why does one side of the road have an underpass for cyclists and pedestrians and a huge cycle lane while the other side has neither and has been narrowed making it worse for everyone? PoppMan2
  • Score: 5

8:07am Sat 5 Jul 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Well I'll be blowed wrote:
At the end of the day it is difficult to see just how much difference this badly implemented and very costly scheme will make to traffic flows.

It seems very unlikely that there will be any significant reduction in the queues at the A59 / A1237 roundabout at rush hour time. That will only be relieved by doubling the A1237; but if building that meant having to put up wth the sort of disuruption we have had on the A1237 for the past 2 years or more I would rather carry on as now.

I would guess that if the total delays experienced during the road works were added and compared to the usual delays before the roadworks it would take a good few years before an overall benefit could be shown. Who did the cost to benefit analysis?
The A1237 roundabouts have been found to restrict capacity far more than the single carriageway. That's why York's current Govt. grants are being focused there.
I travelled by car along this road mid morning today with no significant delays. Why cover more green countryside in Tarmac , to cater for transient peak travel periods? Hardly cost effective.
Catch the P&R R if you want to help make a real
difference.
there is only one winner here .......that's the landowner who sold the land for the purpose of the fiasco that it Poppleton Bar. Rumour has it that the party group Carnage thought it was a new drinking venue. Cover more countryside in Tarmac? That's exactly what that monstrosity has done. Green buses frequently running empty or transporting the odd one or two passengers AND OF COURSE often two at a time. At this point the traffic flow has worsened.........goo
d news for the council as that does seem to be their ultimate aim......I don't see it improving (neither the traffic or the council). Meanwhile the entrance to the city at two key points look ugly and at odds with what York has sought to portray and failed miserably. The A64 near to Tesco where the futuristic building looks like something twitchers would use as a bird hide.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Well I'll be blowed[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day it is difficult to see just how much difference this badly implemented and very costly scheme will make to traffic flows. It seems very unlikely that there will be any significant reduction in the queues at the A59 / A1237 roundabout at rush hour time. That will only be relieved by doubling the A1237; but if building that meant having to put up wth the sort of disuruption we have had on the A1237 for the past 2 years or more I would rather carry on as now. I would guess that if the total delays experienced during the road works were added and compared to the usual delays before the roadworks it would take a good few years before an overall benefit could be shown. Who did the cost to benefit analysis?[/p][/quote]The A1237 roundabouts have been found to restrict capacity far more than the single carriageway. That's why York's current Govt. grants are being focused there. I travelled by car along this road mid morning today with no significant delays. Why cover more green countryside in Tarmac , to cater for transient peak travel periods? Hardly cost effective. Catch the P&R R if you want to help make a real difference.[/p][/quote]there is only one winner here .......that's the landowner who sold the land for the purpose of the fiasco that it Poppleton Bar. Rumour has it that the party group Carnage thought it was a new drinking venue. Cover more countryside in Tarmac? That's exactly what that monstrosity has done. Green buses frequently running empty or transporting the odd one or two passengers AND OF COURSE often two at a time. At this point the traffic flow has worsened.........goo d news for the council as that does seem to be their ultimate aim......I don't see it improving (neither the traffic or the council). Meanwhile the entrance to the city at two key points look ugly and at odds with what York has sought to portray and failed miserably. The A64 near to Tesco where the futuristic building looks like something twitchers would use as a bird hide. thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: 4

7:28pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Cheeky face says...

Poppman 2,

I have enquired about the Osgodby (S Scarborough) roundabout which is near the Park And ride site.
Locals have requested part-time lights, and they may have won; the signs are there, but not yet working on a full on-off switch. I have queried it with NYCC.

One argument is motorcyclists revving engines whilst held up at lights; when the P and R is closed! So we have a noise nuisance, unnecessary fumes, and poor traffic flow which is so easily avoided.

South Yorkshire has a few part time lights - so it can be achieved.

Localism, introduced by the government, created legislation which has the council/highways agency obliged to ease traffic flow at all times.
Poppman 2, I have enquired about the Osgodby (S Scarborough) roundabout which is near the Park And ride site. Locals have requested part-time lights, and they may have won; the signs are there, but not yet working on a full on-off switch. I have queried it with NYCC. One argument is motorcyclists revving engines whilst held up at lights; when the P and R is closed! So we have a noise nuisance, unnecessary fumes, and poor traffic flow which is so easily avoided. South Yorkshire has a few part time lights - so it can be achieved. Localism, introduced by the government, created legislation which has the council/highways agency obliged to ease traffic flow at all times. Cheeky face
  • Score: 2

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