The best places to watch the Tour de France

Chris Froome and Team Sky colleagues on the Buttertubs Pass in the Yorkshire Dales

Chris Froome and Team Sky colleagues on the Buttertubs Pass in the Yorkshire Dales

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The best places to see the Tour de France depends on why you want to watch the Tour.

In general if you are along the roadside, try and get a spot where you can see as much of the route as possible and follow the advice of the Tourmakers and safety stewards, all of whom will wear uniforms.

Top cyclists including Britain's Chris Froome have made repeated Internet broadcasts urging spectators not to spoil the race.


In general:

Don't push riders uphill - it actually hinders rather than helps them.

Don't get too close - riders have fallen because spectators have accidentally knocked into them.

If taking pictures, don't step into the road for a better picture - riders might crash into you.

Keep dogs on a lead.

Children can get very excited and run into the road - keep a close eye on yours.


Good places to watch the tour in York and North Yorkshire

York Press: MOUNTAIN HIGH: Chris Froome and Team Sky colleagues on the Buttertubs Pass in the Yorkshire Dales
Buttertubs Pass

Saturday July 5

1) The climbs of Buttertubs Pass above Hawes and Grinton Moor between Reeth in Swaledale and Leyburn in Wensleydale are good to see the riders close up, and there is a chance of seeing attacks. The descents will be full of thrills - make sure you stay out of their way because the cyclists will be going very fast. Beware - the roads will be closed early and the climbs will be very popular.

2) Anywhere along the A6108 between Masham and Harrogate - good for watching the main bunch or peloton trying to catch a breakaway group so the sprinters can duke it out in a mass sprint for the stage win in Harrogate.

3) Harrogate Stray - likely to be very busy and is expected to see the entire peloton cross the line together at 60 kph. Will include the presentation of the first jerseys to the stage winner and the best climber of the day. 
 

Sunday July 6

1) Anywhere in the "neutral zone" between York Racecourse and the Outer Ring Road. The riders won't start to race in York so they will be going slowly. On the narrower roads they will be strung out - good for seeing the riders close up and to sample the atmosphere.

2) Villages on the A59 between York and Knaresborough. Likely to be less busy than York, so you have a better chance of grabbing goodies from the publicity caravan. The riders will be going very fast and there are likely to be several attacks.

Cycling connoisseurs say the first hour of each day can be the most interesting with continuous attacks as riders try to form a breakaway group and the rest try to catch them. At some stage some riders will succeed and the bunch will calm down and start going at a more relaxed pace before the hills later in the day.

The main action will be in West and South Yorkshire.


Days One and Two

The spectator hubs at The Designer Outlet, Huntington Stadium and Rowntree Park in York, Knaresborough Castle, Ripon Market Square and Leyburn will all have big screens so you can follow the action all day, as well as other entertainment and refreshment facilities. But you will not see the riders close up.


Also:


Where and when to watch the Grand Depart

Stage One – Saturday, July 5

Starts on Headrow in Leeds - 11.10am
Otley Town Centre – 12.12pm
Skipton High Street – 12.49pm
Aysgarth – 1.58pm
Buttertubs Pass, near Hawes – 2.29pm
Leyburn Market Place – 3.16pm
Masham – 3.41pm
Ripon – 4.01pm
Finishes on Harrogate Stray – 4.32pm

Stage Two – Sunday, July

Starts at York Racecourse – 11am
York City Centre – 11.15am
Knaresborough town centre – 11.52am
Blubberhouses – 12.32pm
Keighley Victoria Park – 1.05pm
Haworth Town Centre – 1.16pm
Hebden Bridge – 1.40pm
Cragg Vale – 1.48pm
Huddersfield Town Centre – 2.27pm
Holmfirth – 2.48pm
Holme Moss – 3pm
Finishes in Sheffield, near Don Valley Stadium – 4.29pm

Note: All times approximate, based on organisers’ estimates of the peloton’s average speed.

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11:45am Wed 2 Jul 14

holden79 says...

You can still get to the Grand Depart at the Racecourse if you have the cash....... some of those 20,000 'free' tickets are popping up on eBay and Gumtree - I saw a pair going for £100. Imagine that.
You can still get to the Grand Depart at the Racecourse if you have the cash....... some of those 20,000 'free' tickets are popping up on eBay and Gumtree - I saw a pair going for £100. Imagine that. holden79
  • Score: 5

12:11pm Wed 2 Jul 14

another grump says...

On my couch in front of the TV followed by the British GRAND PRIX. Both live.
On my couch in front of the TV followed by the British GRAND PRIX. Both live. another grump
  • Score: 15

12:37pm Wed 2 Jul 14

whitehorse says...

Best places to watch the Tour de France - Scarborough, Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Edinburgh, Paris, Timbuktu...anywhere but York and Harrogate, which will be full to bursting with crowds 6 deep. 2 minutes of cycling, followed by a whole two days of over-crowding, bad-tempers, over-priced and full to capacity pubs, coffee shops and city streets. If it's anything like the Queen's visit, or the Olympic Torch relay, stay the hell away.
Best places to watch the Tour de France - Scarborough, Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Edinburgh, Paris, Timbuktu...anywhere but York and Harrogate, which will be full to bursting with crowds 6 deep. 2 minutes of cycling, followed by a whole two days of over-crowding, bad-tempers, over-priced and full to capacity pubs, coffee shops and city streets. If it's anything like the Queen's visit, or the Olympic Torch relay, stay the hell away. whitehorse
  • Score: 0

12:50pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day.
The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 14

1:20pm Wed 2 Jul 14

tessah-York says...

I am fortunate - that if I choose to watch, I can do it from my house - live right on the route.
I am fortunate - that if I choose to watch, I can do it from my house - live right on the route. tessah-York
  • Score: 18

3:42pm Wed 2 Jul 14

smudge2 says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day.
We are in Tenerife for 5 weeks in 30 degrees so am I in the best place !!
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day.[/p][/quote]We are in Tenerife for 5 weeks in 30 degrees so am I in the best place !! smudge2
  • Score: 8

4:15pm Wed 2 Jul 14

nottoooldtocare says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day.
Ah, dear old happy go lucky Buzzz, because some people don't want (or like) all the hype and disruption this event will bring, some will even lose income as they can't get to or from work, this clearly makes you believe your opinion is right and theirs wrong! What a wonderful world you must live in, surrounded by like minded people who all agree with your strongly held views.

little doubt it is a great opportunity to showcase Yorkshire, certainly once it gets out into the open countryside. it will no doubt make a huge difference to some businesses financially. But what nobody seems able to tell those who dare to criticise or challenge is how much this is costing us as ratepayers. Have you any idea? Yes there will be the odd buck from the camp sites, but will this make up for the vast monies laid out, can you reassure us all about this?
As I see it, our overpriced hotels will do well as may some of the pubs and fast food outlets, but how do COY recoup their investment with our money?
The circus will make a fortune, and remember we have paid for it to come, so where and how does this event replenish COY's cash strapped coffers? As for the day, I hope to languish in the back garden with a cuppa and watch it on the news later in the day, thus avoiding all the chaos that will prevail. Remember COY are involved in this and their track record on successful events is dire. You enjoy yourself, but try to accept not everyone will feel the same about this as you.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day.[/p][/quote]Ah, dear old happy go lucky Buzzz, because some people don't want (or like) all the hype and disruption this event will bring, some will even lose income as they can't get to or from work, this clearly makes you believe your opinion is right and theirs wrong! What a wonderful world you must live in, surrounded by like minded people who all agree with your strongly held views. little doubt it is a great opportunity to showcase Yorkshire, certainly once it gets out into the open countryside. it will no doubt make a huge difference to some businesses financially. But what nobody seems able to tell those who dare to criticise or challenge is how much this is costing us as ratepayers. Have you any idea? Yes there will be the odd buck from the camp sites, but will this make up for the vast monies laid out, can you reassure us all about this? As I see it, our overpriced hotels will do well as may some of the pubs and fast food outlets, but how do COY recoup their investment with our money? The circus will make a fortune, and remember we have paid for it to come, so where and how does this event replenish COY's cash strapped coffers? As for the day, I hope to languish in the back garden with a cuppa and watch it on the news later in the day, thus avoiding all the chaos that will prevail. Remember COY are involved in this and their track record on successful events is dire. You enjoy yourself, but try to accept not everyone will feel the same about this as you. nottoooldtocare
  • Score: 4

4:48pm Wed 2 Jul 14

york_chap says...

"Children can get very excited and run into the road - keep a close eye on yours". Good point - what with all these new 20mph limits popping up, it's easy to forget that running into the road and playing there might actually be dangerous in some situations, rather than a wholesome leisure activity. (Around York it's totally safe of course - as the 20mph limits will protect you). On another note;

"The riders won't start to race in York so they will be going slowly."
"The main action will be in West and South Yorkshire."

Definitely worth getting caught up in the crowds/congestion/ro
ad closures in York then. Also makes the hype and the huge amount presumably spent by the council on this seem all the more worthwhile. It's a thumbs up from me.
"Children can get very excited and run into the road - keep a close eye on yours". Good point - what with all these new 20mph limits popping up, it's easy to forget that running into the road and playing there might actually be dangerous in some situations, rather than a wholesome leisure activity. (Around York it's totally safe of course - as the 20mph limits will protect you). On another note; "The riders won't start to race in York so they will be going slowly." "The main action will be in West and South Yorkshire." Definitely worth getting caught up in the crowds/congestion/ro ad closures in York then. Also makes the hype and the huge amount presumably spent by the council on this seem all the more worthwhile. It's a thumbs up from me. york_chap
  • Score: 6

5:26pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

I will probably watch a video by Neil Degrasse Tyson on Youtube - intelligent stuff? Then out for a few relaxing jars.
Monday I might see if I can unsecure some yellow bikes and flog them on Ebay.
I will probably watch a video by Neil Degrasse Tyson on Youtube - intelligent stuff? Then out for a few relaxing jars. Monday I might see if I can unsecure some yellow bikes and flog them on Ebay. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -1

6:57pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

nottoooldtocare wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day.
Ah, dear old happy go lucky Buzzz, because some people don't want (or like) all the hype and disruption this event will bring, some will even lose income as they can't get to or from work, this clearly makes you believe your opinion is right and theirs wrong! What a wonderful world you must live in, surrounded by like minded people who all agree with your strongly held views.

little doubt it is a great opportunity to showcase Yorkshire, certainly once it gets out into the open countryside. it will no doubt make a huge difference to some businesses financially. But what nobody seems able to tell those who dare to criticise or challenge is how much this is costing us as ratepayers. Have you any idea? Yes there will be the odd buck from the camp sites, but will this make up for the vast monies laid out, can you reassure us all about this?
As I see it, our overpriced hotels will do well as may some of the pubs and fast food outlets, but how do COY recoup their investment with our money?
The circus will make a fortune, and remember we have paid for it to come, so where and how does this event replenish COY's cash strapped coffers? As for the day, I hope to languish in the back garden with a cuppa and watch it on the news later in the day, thus avoiding all the chaos that will prevail. Remember COY are involved in this and their track record on successful events is dire. You enjoy yourself, but try to accept not everyone will feel the same about this as you.
not too old to care -
not too old to be a totally presumptuous patronising pillock either then.

You enjoy your cuppa in your garden but try to remember the statistics for accidents around kettles and gardens.
[quote][p][bold]nottoooldtocare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day.[/p][/quote]Ah, dear old happy go lucky Buzzz, because some people don't want (or like) all the hype and disruption this event will bring, some will even lose income as they can't get to or from work, this clearly makes you believe your opinion is right and theirs wrong! What a wonderful world you must live in, surrounded by like minded people who all agree with your strongly held views. little doubt it is a great opportunity to showcase Yorkshire, certainly once it gets out into the open countryside. it will no doubt make a huge difference to some businesses financially. But what nobody seems able to tell those who dare to criticise or challenge is how much this is costing us as ratepayers. Have you any idea? Yes there will be the odd buck from the camp sites, but will this make up for the vast monies laid out, can you reassure us all about this? As I see it, our overpriced hotels will do well as may some of the pubs and fast food outlets, but how do COY recoup their investment with our money? The circus will make a fortune, and remember we have paid for it to come, so where and how does this event replenish COY's cash strapped coffers? As for the day, I hope to languish in the back garden with a cuppa and watch it on the news later in the day, thus avoiding all the chaos that will prevail. Remember COY are involved in this and their track record on successful events is dire. You enjoy yourself, but try to accept not everyone will feel the same about this as you.[/p][/quote]not too old to care - not too old to be a totally presumptuous patronising pillock either then. You enjoy your cuppa in your garden but try to remember the statistics for accidents around kettles and gardens. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -9

8:05pm Wed 2 Jul 14

nottoooldtocare says...

Dear Buzzz (or should I call you Richard), clearly something I wrote has ruffled you a little, that wasn't my intention.

What I tried to do was explain that for various reasons not everyone is a great fan of this, and it is very difficult to escape it all at the moment. However, if you (or any other reader) are able to sell the idea and answer some of the relatively simple questions I have asked I and others may be able to warm to the event a little more. As it is we are seeing some serious cuts across many areas, yet the Council appear to have oodles of cash for arty events, 20mph signs, TDF and the like. What would I rather have, the sick, elderly and the needy being cared for or the TDF? A "no brainer" to quote the modern parlance.

p.s. I have typed this slowly so that you can read it properly before launching another scathing attack. :)
Dear Buzzz (or should I call you Richard), clearly something I wrote has ruffled you a little, that wasn't my intention. What I tried to do was explain that for various reasons not everyone is a great fan of this, and it is very difficult to escape it all at the moment. However, if you (or any other reader) are able to sell the idea and answer some of the relatively simple questions I have asked I and others may be able to warm to the event a little more. As it is we are seeing some serious cuts across many areas, yet the Council appear to have oodles of cash for arty events, 20mph signs, TDF and the like. What would I rather have, the sick, elderly and the needy being cared for or the TDF? A "no brainer" to quote the modern parlance. p.s. I have typed this slowly so that you can read it properly before launching another scathing attack. :) nottoooldtocare
  • Score: 4

8:27pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

nottoooldtocare wrote:
Dear Buzzz (or should I call you Richard), clearly something I wrote has ruffled you a little, that wasn't my intention.

What I tried to do was explain that for various reasons not everyone is a great fan of this, and it is very difficult to escape it all at the moment. However, if you (or any other reader) are able to sell the idea and answer some of the relatively simple questions I have asked I and others may be able to warm to the event a little more. As it is we are seeing some serious cuts across many areas, yet the Council appear to have oodles of cash for arty events, 20mph signs, TDF and the like. What would I rather have, the sick, elderly and the needy being cared for or the TDF? A "no brainer" to quote the modern parlance.

p.s. I have typed this slowly so that you can read it properly before launching another scathing attack. :)
If it wasn't your intention you need to check your writing style.
No matter how slowly anything was typed, you got back what you gave.

If you think I haven't considered all the ramifications and love of the event for all the various residents and their particular foibles and peccadilloes then you are as patronising as I said you are.

You also fail to understand budget allocation, obviously.


Soooooo, why should you call me Richard?
[quote][p][bold]nottoooldtocare[/bold] wrote: Dear Buzzz (or should I call you Richard), clearly something I wrote has ruffled you a little, that wasn't my intention. What I tried to do was explain that for various reasons not everyone is a great fan of this, and it is very difficult to escape it all at the moment. However, if you (or any other reader) are able to sell the idea and answer some of the relatively simple questions I have asked I and others may be able to warm to the event a little more. As it is we are seeing some serious cuts across many areas, yet the Council appear to have oodles of cash for arty events, 20mph signs, TDF and the like. What would I rather have, the sick, elderly and the needy being cared for or the TDF? A "no brainer" to quote the modern parlance. p.s. I have typed this slowly so that you can read it properly before launching another scathing attack. :)[/p][/quote]If it wasn't your intention you need to check your writing style. No matter how slowly anything was typed, you got back what you gave. If you think I haven't considered all the ramifications and love of the event for all the various residents and their particular foibles and peccadilloes then you are as patronising as I said you are. You also fail to understand budget allocation, obviously. Soooooo, why should you call me Richard? Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -1

8:35pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

nottoooldtocare wrote:
Dear Buzzz (or should I call you Richard), clearly something I wrote has ruffled you a little, that wasn't my intention.

What I tried to do was explain that for various reasons not everyone is a great fan of this, and it is very difficult to escape it all at the moment. However, if you (or any other reader) are able to sell the idea and answer some of the relatively simple questions I have asked I and others may be able to warm to the event a little more. As it is we are seeing some serious cuts across many areas, yet the Council appear to have oodles of cash for arty events, 20mph signs, TDF and the like. What would I rather have, the sick, elderly and the needy being cared for or the TDF? A "no brainer" to quote the modern parlance.

p.s. I have typed this slowly so that you can read it properly before launching another scathing attack. :)
Well said my man.
From Wikipedia
""Bread and circuses" (or bread and games) (from Latin: panem et circenses) is metonymic for a superficial means of appeasement. In the case of politics, the phrase is used to describe the creation of public approval, not through exemplary or excellent public service or public policy, but through diversion; distraction; or the mere satisfaction of the immediate, shallow requirements of a populace, as an offered "palliative." Juvenal decried it as a simplistic motivation of common people.The phrase also implies the erosion or ignorance of civic duty amongst the concerns of the commoner."
As in the case of the Olympics which cost £11.5 billion they would rather give us stupid spectacle rather than services.
I wonder how many council houses the money spent on this junket would have built?
[quote][p][bold]nottoooldtocare[/bold] wrote: Dear Buzzz (or should I call you Richard), clearly something I wrote has ruffled you a little, that wasn't my intention. What I tried to do was explain that for various reasons not everyone is a great fan of this, and it is very difficult to escape it all at the moment. However, if you (or any other reader) are able to sell the idea and answer some of the relatively simple questions I have asked I and others may be able to warm to the event a little more. As it is we are seeing some serious cuts across many areas, yet the Council appear to have oodles of cash for arty events, 20mph signs, TDF and the like. What would I rather have, the sick, elderly and the needy being cared for or the TDF? A "no brainer" to quote the modern parlance. p.s. I have typed this slowly so that you can read it properly before launching another scathing attack. :)[/p][/quote]Well said my man. From Wikipedia ""Bread and circuses" (or bread and games) (from Latin: panem et circenses) is metonymic for a superficial means of appeasement. In the case of politics, the phrase is used to describe the creation of public approval, not through exemplary or excellent public service or public policy, but through diversion; distraction; or the mere satisfaction of the immediate, shallow requirements of a populace, as an offered "palliative." Juvenal decried it as a simplistic motivation of common people.The phrase also implies the erosion or ignorance of civic duty amongst the concerns of the commoner." As in the case of the Olympics which cost £11.5 billion they would rather give us stupid spectacle rather than services. I wonder how many council houses the money spent on this junket would have built? Pinza-C55
  • Score: 3

8:40pm Wed 2 Jul 14

strangebuttrue? says...

I think I know where the biggest crowd in York will be. The A59 end of Beckfield Lane. Why should this be? If you follow the diversion signs from the A1237 ring road you are directed onto Wetherby Road B1224 towards York. You are then directed down Beckfield Lane, which incidentally is another road strewn with signs saying road closed 6th July and not road ahead closed. You are then signed all the way to the end of Beckfield Lane, yes you will be ahead of me now I am sure, toward the A59!!! that's the tour route which will definitely be closed. Just before you get to the end of Beckfield Lane with no junctions left of right to go down a final sign tells you Diversion Ends. Priceless!!!
I think I know where the biggest crowd in York will be. The A59 end of Beckfield Lane. Why should this be? If you follow the diversion signs from the A1237 ring road you are directed onto Wetherby Road B1224 towards York. You are then directed down Beckfield Lane, which incidentally is another road strewn with signs saying road closed 6th July and not road ahead closed. You are then signed all the way to the end of Beckfield Lane, yes you will be ahead of me now I am sure, toward the A59!!! that's the tour route which will definitely be closed. Just before you get to the end of Beckfield Lane with no junctions left of right to go down a final sign tells you Diversion Ends. Priceless!!! strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 11

8:49pm Wed 2 Jul 14

nottoooldtocare says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
nottoooldtocare wrote:
Dear Buzzz (or should I call you Richard), clearly something I wrote has ruffled you a little, that wasn't my intention.

What I tried to do was explain that for various reasons not everyone is a great fan of this, and it is very difficult to escape it all at the moment. However, if you (or any other reader) are able to sell the idea and answer some of the relatively simple questions I have asked I and others may be able to warm to the event a little more. As it is we are seeing some serious cuts across many areas, yet the Council appear to have oodles of cash for arty events, 20mph signs, TDF and the like. What would I rather have, the sick, elderly and the needy being cared for or the TDF? A "no brainer" to quote the modern parlance.

p.s. I have typed this slowly so that you can read it properly before launching another scathing attack. :)
If it wasn't your intention you need to check your writing style.
No matter how slowly anything was typed, you got back what you gave.

If you think I haven't considered all the ramifications and love of the event for all the various residents and their particular foibles and peccadilloes then you are as patronising as I said you are.

You also fail to understand budget allocation, obviously.


Soooooo, why should you call me Richard?
Buzzz , without wishing to hack other readers off, please feel free to explain how this will work, as I openly don't understand how this will impact (good or bad) on the budget allocation. How much is it costing the residents of York and how do we get this investment back?

if you have a simple explanation then please share it as I'm sure there are others who are of similar mind to myself that need a little more information to win us over.
With regard to calling you Richard, it was both unkind and unnecessary of me, but I confess I was upset at being called patronising. People called Richard often get shortened nick names.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nottoooldtocare[/bold] wrote: Dear Buzzz (or should I call you Richard), clearly something I wrote has ruffled you a little, that wasn't my intention. What I tried to do was explain that for various reasons not everyone is a great fan of this, and it is very difficult to escape it all at the moment. However, if you (or any other reader) are able to sell the idea and answer some of the relatively simple questions I have asked I and others may be able to warm to the event a little more. As it is we are seeing some serious cuts across many areas, yet the Council appear to have oodles of cash for arty events, 20mph signs, TDF and the like. What would I rather have, the sick, elderly and the needy being cared for or the TDF? A "no brainer" to quote the modern parlance. p.s. I have typed this slowly so that you can read it properly before launching another scathing attack. :)[/p][/quote]If it wasn't your intention you need to check your writing style. No matter how slowly anything was typed, you got back what you gave. If you think I haven't considered all the ramifications and love of the event for all the various residents and their particular foibles and peccadilloes then you are as patronising as I said you are. You also fail to understand budget allocation, obviously. Soooooo, why should you call me Richard?[/p][/quote]Buzzz , without wishing to hack other readers off, please feel free to explain how this will work, as I openly don't understand how this will impact (good or bad) on the budget allocation. How much is it costing the residents of York and how do we get this investment back? if you have a simple explanation then please share it as I'm sure there are others who are of similar mind to myself that need a little more information to win us over. With regard to calling you Richard, it was both unkind and unnecessary of me, but I confess I was upset at being called patronising. People called Richard often get shortened nick names. nottoooldtocare
  • Score: 1

9:19pm Wed 2 Jul 14

JasBro says...

nottoooldtocare wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day.
Ah, dear old happy go lucky Buzzz, because some people don't want (or like) all the hype and disruption this event will bring, some will even lose income as they can't get to or from work, this clearly makes you believe your opinion is right and theirs wrong! What a wonderful world you must live in, surrounded by like minded people who all agree with your strongly held views.

little doubt it is a great opportunity to showcase Yorkshire, certainly once it gets out into the open countryside. it will no doubt make a huge difference to some businesses financially. But what nobody seems able to tell those who dare to criticise or challenge is how much this is costing us as ratepayers. Have you any idea? Yes there will be the odd buck from the camp sites, but will this make up for the vast monies laid out, can you reassure us all about this?
As I see it, our overpriced hotels will do well as may some of the pubs and fast food outlets, but how do COY recoup their investment with our money?
The circus will make a fortune, and remember we have paid for it to come, so where and how does this event replenish COY's cash strapped coffers? As for the day, I hope to languish in the back garden with a cuppa and watch it on the news later in the day, thus avoiding all the chaos that will prevail. Remember COY are involved in this and their track record on successful events is dire. You enjoy yourself, but try to accept not everyone will feel the same about this as you.
Although I can sympathise with those who are cynical about the Tour, I think it might be time to put the questions and the criticisms to one side, just until Monday.

I doubt anyone can really answer your questions. Honestly, who can predict the long term financial benefits to tourism in York? Who can predict the possible benefits of encouraging people to cycle? The longer term benefits to York are difficult to quantify and might not be known for years to come, if ever.

But right now, we have a world class sporting event coming to our city, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, so now is the time to get out and enjoy it.
[quote][p][bold]nottoooldtocare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day.[/p][/quote]Ah, dear old happy go lucky Buzzz, because some people don't want (or like) all the hype and disruption this event will bring, some will even lose income as they can't get to or from work, this clearly makes you believe your opinion is right and theirs wrong! What a wonderful world you must live in, surrounded by like minded people who all agree with your strongly held views. little doubt it is a great opportunity to showcase Yorkshire, certainly once it gets out into the open countryside. it will no doubt make a huge difference to some businesses financially. But what nobody seems able to tell those who dare to criticise or challenge is how much this is costing us as ratepayers. Have you any idea? Yes there will be the odd buck from the camp sites, but will this make up for the vast monies laid out, can you reassure us all about this? As I see it, our overpriced hotels will do well as may some of the pubs and fast food outlets, but how do COY recoup their investment with our money? The circus will make a fortune, and remember we have paid for it to come, so where and how does this event replenish COY's cash strapped coffers? As for the day, I hope to languish in the back garden with a cuppa and watch it on the news later in the day, thus avoiding all the chaos that will prevail. Remember COY are involved in this and their track record on successful events is dire. You enjoy yourself, but try to accept not everyone will feel the same about this as you.[/p][/quote]Although I can sympathise with those who are cynical about the Tour, I think it might be time to put the questions and the criticisms to one side, just until Monday. I doubt anyone can really answer your questions. Honestly, who can predict the long term financial benefits to tourism in York? Who can predict the possible benefits of encouraging people to cycle? The longer term benefits to York are difficult to quantify and might not be known for years to come, if ever. But right now, we have a world class sporting event coming to our city, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, so now is the time to get out and enjoy it. JasBro
  • Score: 23

9:49pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

JasBro wrote:
nottoooldtocare wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day.
Ah, dear old happy go lucky Buzzz, because some people don't want (or like) all the hype and disruption this event will bring, some will even lose income as they can't get to or from work, this clearly makes you believe your opinion is right and theirs wrong! What a wonderful world you must live in, surrounded by like minded people who all agree with your strongly held views.

little doubt it is a great opportunity to showcase Yorkshire, certainly once it gets out into the open countryside. it will no doubt make a huge difference to some businesses financially. But what nobody seems able to tell those who dare to criticise or challenge is how much this is costing us as ratepayers. Have you any idea? Yes there will be the odd buck from the camp sites, but will this make up for the vast monies laid out, can you reassure us all about this?
As I see it, our overpriced hotels will do well as may some of the pubs and fast food outlets, but how do COY recoup their investment with our money?
The circus will make a fortune, and remember we have paid for it to come, so where and how does this event replenish COY's cash strapped coffers? As for the day, I hope to languish in the back garden with a cuppa and watch it on the news later in the day, thus avoiding all the chaos that will prevail. Remember COY are involved in this and their track record on successful events is dire. You enjoy yourself, but try to accept not everyone will feel the same about this as you.
Although I can sympathise with those who are cynical about the Tour, I think it might be time to put the questions and the criticisms to one side, just until Monday.

I doubt anyone can really answer your questions. Honestly, who can predict the long term financial benefits to tourism in York? Who can predict the possible benefits of encouraging people to cycle? The longer term benefits to York are difficult to quantify and might not be known for years to come, if ever.

But right now, we have a world class sporting event coming to our city, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, so now is the time to get out and enjoy it.
"Although I can sympathise with those who are cynical about the Tour, I think it might be time to put the questions and the criticisms to one side, just until Monday."
In other words we should shut up because you disagree with us?
"I doubt anyone can really answer your questions. Honestly, who can predict the long term financial benefits to tourism in York?"
Nobody. So people should stop claiming things which they cannot prove.
"Who can predict the possible benefits of encouraging people to cycle? "
As before, nobody. So what is your point?
"The longer term benefits to York are difficult to quantify and might not be known for years to come, if ever."
So why harp on about them?
"But right now, we have a world class sporting event coming to our city, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, so now is the time to get out and enjoy it."
York could hold a world brick throwing contest and it would be a "once in a lifetime opportunity". In my opinion it would be a waste of taxpayers money on a banal spectacle which I would have no interest in viewing.
Why should I not express my view?
[quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nottoooldtocare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day.[/p][/quote]Ah, dear old happy go lucky Buzzz, because some people don't want (or like) all the hype and disruption this event will bring, some will even lose income as they can't get to or from work, this clearly makes you believe your opinion is right and theirs wrong! What a wonderful world you must live in, surrounded by like minded people who all agree with your strongly held views. little doubt it is a great opportunity to showcase Yorkshire, certainly once it gets out into the open countryside. it will no doubt make a huge difference to some businesses financially. But what nobody seems able to tell those who dare to criticise or challenge is how much this is costing us as ratepayers. Have you any idea? Yes there will be the odd buck from the camp sites, but will this make up for the vast monies laid out, can you reassure us all about this? As I see it, our overpriced hotels will do well as may some of the pubs and fast food outlets, but how do COY recoup their investment with our money? The circus will make a fortune, and remember we have paid for it to come, so where and how does this event replenish COY's cash strapped coffers? As for the day, I hope to languish in the back garden with a cuppa and watch it on the news later in the day, thus avoiding all the chaos that will prevail. Remember COY are involved in this and their track record on successful events is dire. You enjoy yourself, but try to accept not everyone will feel the same about this as you.[/p][/quote]Although I can sympathise with those who are cynical about the Tour, I think it might be time to put the questions and the criticisms to one side, just until Monday. I doubt anyone can really answer your questions. Honestly, who can predict the long term financial benefits to tourism in York? Who can predict the possible benefits of encouraging people to cycle? The longer term benefits to York are difficult to quantify and might not be known for years to come, if ever. But right now, we have a world class sporting event coming to our city, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, so now is the time to get out and enjoy it.[/p][/quote]"Although I can sympathise with those who are cynical about the Tour, I think it might be time to put the questions and the criticisms to one side, just until Monday." In other words we should shut up because you disagree with us? "I doubt anyone can really answer your questions. Honestly, who can predict the long term financial benefits to tourism in York?" Nobody. So people should stop claiming things which they cannot prove. "Who can predict the possible benefits of encouraging people to cycle? " As before, nobody. So what is your point? "The longer term benefits to York are difficult to quantify and might not be known for years to come, if ever." So why harp on about them? "But right now, we have a world class sporting event coming to our city, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, so now is the time to get out and enjoy it." York could hold a world brick throwing contest and it would be a "once in a lifetime opportunity". In my opinion it would be a waste of taxpayers money on a banal spectacle which I would have no interest in viewing. Why should I not express my view? Pinza-C55
  • Score: -16

10:05pm Wed 2 Jul 14

JasBro says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
JasBro wrote:
nottoooldtocare wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day.
Ah, dear old happy go lucky Buzzz, because some people don't want (or like) all the hype and disruption this event will bring, some will even lose income as they can't get to or from work, this clearly makes you believe your opinion is right and theirs wrong! What a wonderful world you must live in, surrounded by like minded people who all agree with your strongly held views.

little doubt it is a great opportunity to showcase Yorkshire, certainly once it gets out into the open countryside. it will no doubt make a huge difference to some businesses financially. But what nobody seems able to tell those who dare to criticise or challenge is how much this is costing us as ratepayers. Have you any idea? Yes there will be the odd buck from the camp sites, but will this make up for the vast monies laid out, can you reassure us all about this?
As I see it, our overpriced hotels will do well as may some of the pubs and fast food outlets, but how do COY recoup their investment with our money?
The circus will make a fortune, and remember we have paid for it to come, so where and how does this event replenish COY's cash strapped coffers? As for the day, I hope to languish in the back garden with a cuppa and watch it on the news later in the day, thus avoiding all the chaos that will prevail. Remember COY are involved in this and their track record on successful events is dire. You enjoy yourself, but try to accept not everyone will feel the same about this as you.
Although I can sympathise with those who are cynical about the Tour, I think it might be time to put the questions and the criticisms to one side, just until Monday.

I doubt anyone can really answer your questions. Honestly, who can predict the long term financial benefits to tourism in York? Who can predict the possible benefits of encouraging people to cycle? The longer term benefits to York are difficult to quantify and might not be known for years to come, if ever.

But right now, we have a world class sporting event coming to our city, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, so now is the time to get out and enjoy it.
"Although I can sympathise with those who are cynical about the Tour, I think it might be time to put the questions and the criticisms to one side, just until Monday."
In other words we should shut up because you disagree with us?
"I doubt anyone can really answer your questions. Honestly, who can predict the long term financial benefits to tourism in York?"
Nobody. So people should stop claiming things which they cannot prove.
"Who can predict the possible benefits of encouraging people to cycle? "
As before, nobody. So what is your point?
"The longer term benefits to York are difficult to quantify and might not be known for years to come, if ever."
So why harp on about them?
"But right now, we have a world class sporting event coming to our city, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, so now is the time to get out and enjoy it."
York could hold a world brick throwing contest and it would be a "once in a lifetime opportunity". In my opinion it would be a waste of taxpayers money on a banal spectacle which I would have no interest in viewing.
Why should I not express my view?
Don't try to twist what I said with your own warped vision.

Obviously you don't understand that the Tour de France is one of the biggest and most important sporting events in the world.

I haven't harped on about anything, I mentioned those points briefly, you on the other hand felt the need to quote them twice, and then reinterpret what I said.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nottoooldtocare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day.[/p][/quote]Ah, dear old happy go lucky Buzzz, because some people don't want (or like) all the hype and disruption this event will bring, some will even lose income as they can't get to or from work, this clearly makes you believe your opinion is right and theirs wrong! What a wonderful world you must live in, surrounded by like minded people who all agree with your strongly held views. little doubt it is a great opportunity to showcase Yorkshire, certainly once it gets out into the open countryside. it will no doubt make a huge difference to some businesses financially. But what nobody seems able to tell those who dare to criticise or challenge is how much this is costing us as ratepayers. Have you any idea? Yes there will be the odd buck from the camp sites, but will this make up for the vast monies laid out, can you reassure us all about this? As I see it, our overpriced hotels will do well as may some of the pubs and fast food outlets, but how do COY recoup their investment with our money? The circus will make a fortune, and remember we have paid for it to come, so where and how does this event replenish COY's cash strapped coffers? As for the day, I hope to languish in the back garden with a cuppa and watch it on the news later in the day, thus avoiding all the chaos that will prevail. Remember COY are involved in this and their track record on successful events is dire. You enjoy yourself, but try to accept not everyone will feel the same about this as you.[/p][/quote]Although I can sympathise with those who are cynical about the Tour, I think it might be time to put the questions and the criticisms to one side, just until Monday. I doubt anyone can really answer your questions. Honestly, who can predict the long term financial benefits to tourism in York? Who can predict the possible benefits of encouraging people to cycle? The longer term benefits to York are difficult to quantify and might not be known for years to come, if ever. But right now, we have a world class sporting event coming to our city, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, so now is the time to get out and enjoy it.[/p][/quote]"Although I can sympathise with those who are cynical about the Tour, I think it might be time to put the questions and the criticisms to one side, just until Monday." In other words we should shut up because you disagree with us? "I doubt anyone can really answer your questions. Honestly, who can predict the long term financial benefits to tourism in York?" Nobody. So people should stop claiming things which they cannot prove. "Who can predict the possible benefits of encouraging people to cycle? " As before, nobody. So what is your point? "The longer term benefits to York are difficult to quantify and might not be known for years to come, if ever." So why harp on about them? "But right now, we have a world class sporting event coming to our city, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, so now is the time to get out and enjoy it." York could hold a world brick throwing contest and it would be a "once in a lifetime opportunity". In my opinion it would be a waste of taxpayers money on a banal spectacle which I would have no interest in viewing. Why should I not express my view?[/p][/quote]Don't try to twist what I said with your own warped vision. Obviously you don't understand that the Tour de France is one of the biggest and most important sporting events in the world. I haven't harped on about anything, I mentioned those points briefly, you on the other hand felt the need to quote them twice, and then reinterpret what I said. JasBro
  • Score: 10

10:22pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

JasBro wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
JasBro wrote:
nottoooldtocare wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day.
Ah, dear old happy go lucky Buzzz, because some people don't want (or like) all the hype and disruption this event will bring, some will even lose income as they can't get to or from work, this clearly makes you believe your opinion is right and theirs wrong! What a wonderful world you must live in, surrounded by like minded people who all agree with your strongly held views.

little doubt it is a great opportunity to showcase Yorkshire, certainly once it gets out into the open countryside. it will no doubt make a huge difference to some businesses financially. But what nobody seems able to tell those who dare to criticise or challenge is how much this is costing us as ratepayers. Have you any idea? Yes there will be the odd buck from the camp sites, but will this make up for the vast monies laid out, can you reassure us all about this?
As I see it, our overpriced hotels will do well as may some of the pubs and fast food outlets, but how do COY recoup their investment with our money?
The circus will make a fortune, and remember we have paid for it to come, so where and how does this event replenish COY's cash strapped coffers? As for the day, I hope to languish in the back garden with a cuppa and watch it on the news later in the day, thus avoiding all the chaos that will prevail. Remember COY are involved in this and their track record on successful events is dire. You enjoy yourself, but try to accept not everyone will feel the same about this as you.
Although I can sympathise with those who are cynical about the Tour, I think it might be time to put the questions and the criticisms to one side, just until Monday.

I doubt anyone can really answer your questions. Honestly, who can predict the long term financial benefits to tourism in York? Who can predict the possible benefits of encouraging people to cycle? The longer term benefits to York are difficult to quantify and might not be known for years to come, if ever.

But right now, we have a world class sporting event coming to our city, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, so now is the time to get out and enjoy it.
"Although I can sympathise with those who are cynical about the Tour, I think it might be time to put the questions and the criticisms to one side, just until Monday."
In other words we should shut up because you disagree with us?
"I doubt anyone can really answer your questions. Honestly, who can predict the long term financial benefits to tourism in York?"
Nobody. So people should stop claiming things which they cannot prove.
"Who can predict the possible benefits of encouraging people to cycle? "
As before, nobody. So what is your point?
"The longer term benefits to York are difficult to quantify and might not be known for years to come, if ever."
So why harp on about them?
"But right now, we have a world class sporting event coming to our city, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, so now is the time to get out and enjoy it."
York could hold a world brick throwing contest and it would be a "once in a lifetime opportunity". In my opinion it would be a waste of taxpayers money on a banal spectacle which I would have no interest in viewing.
Why should I not express my view?
Don't try to twist what I said with your own warped vision.

Obviously you don't understand that the Tour de France is one of the biggest and most important sporting events in the world.

I haven't harped on about anything, I mentioned those points briefly, you on the other hand felt the need to quote them twice, and then reinterpret what I said.
"Don't try to twist what I said with your own warped vision."
Whether a view is warped depends on the viewpoint of the observer. You sound as though you cannot handle differing views.
"Obviously you don't understand that the Tour de France is one of the biggest and most important sporting events in the world."
I understand fully and I don't care. Haven't I made that clear?
"I mentioned those points briefly, you on the other hand felt the need to quote them twice, and then reinterpret what I said."
You quoted two previous posts and then expounded at length yourself.
I quoted your post + quotes and then dealt with your points in detail.
I gave my opinion on your post. Sorry if I have hurt your feelings.
[quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nottoooldtocare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: The best place to watch the Tour will be away from the few whining drainers who can't tell the difference between everyday commuters and professional sportsmen and who have spent the last year or so coming on here and kneejerking their miserable prejudice every day.[/p][/quote]Ah, dear old happy go lucky Buzzz, because some people don't want (or like) all the hype and disruption this event will bring, some will even lose income as they can't get to or from work, this clearly makes you believe your opinion is right and theirs wrong! What a wonderful world you must live in, surrounded by like minded people who all agree with your strongly held views. little doubt it is a great opportunity to showcase Yorkshire, certainly once it gets out into the open countryside. it will no doubt make a huge difference to some businesses financially. But what nobody seems able to tell those who dare to criticise or challenge is how much this is costing us as ratepayers. Have you any idea? Yes there will be the odd buck from the camp sites, but will this make up for the vast monies laid out, can you reassure us all about this? As I see it, our overpriced hotels will do well as may some of the pubs and fast food outlets, but how do COY recoup their investment with our money? The circus will make a fortune, and remember we have paid for it to come, so where and how does this event replenish COY's cash strapped coffers? As for the day, I hope to languish in the back garden with a cuppa and watch it on the news later in the day, thus avoiding all the chaos that will prevail. Remember COY are involved in this and their track record on successful events is dire. You enjoy yourself, but try to accept not everyone will feel the same about this as you.[/p][/quote]Although I can sympathise with those who are cynical about the Tour, I think it might be time to put the questions and the criticisms to one side, just until Monday. I doubt anyone can really answer your questions. Honestly, who can predict the long term financial benefits to tourism in York? Who can predict the possible benefits of encouraging people to cycle? The longer term benefits to York are difficult to quantify and might not be known for years to come, if ever. But right now, we have a world class sporting event coming to our city, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, so now is the time to get out and enjoy it.[/p][/quote]"Although I can sympathise with those who are cynical about the Tour, I think it might be time to put the questions and the criticisms to one side, just until Monday." In other words we should shut up because you disagree with us? "I doubt anyone can really answer your questions. Honestly, who can predict the long term financial benefits to tourism in York?" Nobody. So people should stop claiming things which they cannot prove. "Who can predict the possible benefits of encouraging people to cycle? " As before, nobody. So what is your point? "The longer term benefits to York are difficult to quantify and might not be known for years to come, if ever." So why harp on about them? "But right now, we have a world class sporting event coming to our city, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity, so now is the time to get out and enjoy it." York could hold a world brick throwing contest and it would be a "once in a lifetime opportunity". In my opinion it would be a waste of taxpayers money on a banal spectacle which I would have no interest in viewing. Why should I not express my view?[/p][/quote]Don't try to twist what I said with your own warped vision. Obviously you don't understand that the Tour de France is one of the biggest and most important sporting events in the world. I haven't harped on about anything, I mentioned those points briefly, you on the other hand felt the need to quote them twice, and then reinterpret what I said.[/p][/quote]"Don't try to twist what I said with your own warped vision." Whether a view is warped depends on the viewpoint of the observer. You sound as though you cannot handle differing views. "Obviously you don't understand that the Tour de France is one of the biggest and most important sporting events in the world." I understand fully and I don't care. Haven't I made that clear? "I mentioned those points briefly, you on the other hand felt the need to quote them twice, and then reinterpret what I said." You quoted two previous posts and then expounded at length yourself. I quoted your post + quotes and then dealt with your points in detail. I gave my opinion on your post. Sorry if I have hurt your feelings. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -11

10:32pm Wed 2 Jul 14

JasBro says...

You haven't hurt my feelings, you're just not making much sense.

You twisted what I said and reinterpreted in your own daft way.

Then you compared one of the biggest and most important sporting events in the world to a brick throwing contest.

And yes obviously it's a viewpoint, it's my viewpoint and I stand by it.
You haven't hurt my feelings, you're just not making much sense. You twisted what I said and reinterpreted in your own daft way. Then you compared one of the biggest and most important sporting events in the world to a brick throwing contest. And yes obviously it's a viewpoint, it's my viewpoint and I stand by it. JasBro
  • Score: 5

10:41pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

JasBro wrote:
You haven't hurt my feelings, you're just not making much sense.

You twisted what I said and reinterpreted in your own daft way.

Then you compared one of the biggest and most important sporting events in the world to a brick throwing contest.

And yes obviously it's a viewpoint, it's my viewpoint and I stand by it.
If I am not making much sense I can explain any points which you cannot understand.
My analogy with a brick throwing contest is easy to understand if you try.
Abraham Lincoln once said "people who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like".
I don't like it, you do.
Good for you for standing by your viewpoint. I, on the other hand, am willing to change my viewpoint if someone provides a compelling argument to the contrary.
[quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: You haven't hurt my feelings, you're just not making much sense. You twisted what I said and reinterpreted in your own daft way. Then you compared one of the biggest and most important sporting events in the world to a brick throwing contest. And yes obviously it's a viewpoint, it's my viewpoint and I stand by it.[/p][/quote]If I am not making much sense I can explain any points which you cannot understand. My analogy with a brick throwing contest is easy to understand if you try. Abraham Lincoln once said "people who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like". I don't like it, you do. Good for you for standing by your viewpoint. I, on the other hand, am willing to change my viewpoint if someone provides a compelling argument to the contrary. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -5

10:48pm Wed 2 Jul 14

JasBro says...

I can understand very clearly what you're saying. It doesn't make sense.

A brick throwing contest doesn't really compare to TdF.

It's a daft comparison because it's so obviously wrong. Not because of what I like or what you like.

I too am willing to change my view if someone provides a compelling argument to the contrary. So far nobody has come even close to doing that.
I can understand very clearly what you're saying. It doesn't make sense. A brick throwing contest doesn't really compare to TdF. It's a daft comparison because it's so obviously wrong. Not because of what I like or what you like. I too am willing to change my view if someone provides a compelling argument to the contrary. So far nobody has come even close to doing that. JasBro
  • Score: 4

11:04pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Then you are not trying.

A brick throwing contest would be a once in a lifetime event but I would have zero interest in seeing it, just like the bike ride.

It's humorous but may seem daft if you don't think about it. Try.

So now, instead of standing by your viewpoint you are willing to change it?
Wow.
Good night.
Then you are not trying. A brick throwing contest would be a once in a lifetime event but I would have zero interest in seeing it, just like the bike ride. It's humorous but may seem daft if you don't think about it. Try. So now, instead of standing by your viewpoint you are willing to change it? Wow. Good night. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -7

11:30pm Wed 2 Jul 14

JasBro says...

I stand by my viewpoint until there is any compelling reason to change. You haven't provided that.

I don't need to try to understand what you're saying, it's very, very, very simple, but wrong in my opinion. It's not a lack of understanding on my part, I just disagree with you.

TdF has nearly 200 of the world's best athletes, 12million are expected to watch along the route and 3.5 billion will watch on TV, in 190 countries.

It's an important world class, world renowned sporting event. No brick throwing contest that I know of can match it in any way shape or form. So if that's the best point you've got, then it's easily dismissed and I'll stand by what I've said.
I stand by my viewpoint until there is any compelling reason to change. You haven't provided that. I don't need to try to understand what you're saying, it's very, very, very simple, but wrong in my opinion. It's not a lack of understanding on my part, I just disagree with you. TdF has nearly 200 of the world's best athletes, 12million are expected to watch along the route and 3.5 billion will watch on TV, in 190 countries. It's an important world class, world renowned sporting event. No brick throwing contest that I know of can match it in any way shape or form. So if that's the best point you've got, then it's easily dismissed and I'll stand by what I've said. JasBro
  • Score: 6

2:40am Thu 3 Jul 14

Magicman! says...

whitehorse wrote:
Best places to watch the Tour de France - Scarborough, Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Edinburgh, Paris, Timbuktu...anywhere but York and Harrogate, which will be full to bursting with crowds 6 deep. 2 minutes of cycling, followed by a whole two days of over-crowding, bad-tempers, over-priced and full to capacity pubs, coffee shops and city streets. If it's anything like the Queen's visit, or the Olympic Torch relay, stay the hell away.
The torch relay was OK... even leaving it to arriving just 15 minutes before the torch, I got on the front row at a changeover point - granted I was sat on the kerb so others could see above me, but was still a good view.
[quote][p][bold]whitehorse[/bold] wrote: Best places to watch the Tour de France - Scarborough, Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Edinburgh, Paris, Timbuktu...anywhere but York and Harrogate, which will be full to bursting with crowds 6 deep. 2 minutes of cycling, followed by a whole two days of over-crowding, bad-tempers, over-priced and full to capacity pubs, coffee shops and city streets. If it's anything like the Queen's visit, or the Olympic Torch relay, stay the hell away.[/p][/quote]The torch relay was OK... even leaving it to arriving just 15 minutes before the torch, I got on the front row at a changeover point - granted I was sat on the kerb so others could see above me, but was still a good view. Magicman!
  • Score: 0

7:14am Thu 3 Jul 14

mortandindi says...

yawn, yawn, yawn..... even corrie is more interesting.
yawn, yawn, yawn..... even corrie is more interesting. mortandindi
  • Score: -4

10:56am Thu 3 Jul 14

CLAIRELAURAINE says...

tessah-York wrote:
I am fortunate - that if I choose to watch, I can do it from my house - live right on the route.
I think that sounds unfortunate.
[quote][p][bold]tessah-York[/bold] wrote: I am fortunate - that if I choose to watch, I can do it from my house - live right on the route.[/p][/quote]I think that sounds unfortunate. CLAIRELAURAINE
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7:16pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Y.I.P. says...

Wish all those weirdos in lycra would clear off to france before sunday,and stop bothering us,and costing us a fortune,and that is from a cyclist!!!!!!!so there.It seems like emperors new clothes to me if you know what I mean.
Wish all those weirdos in lycra would clear off to france before sunday,and stop bothering us,and costing us a fortune,and that is from a cyclist!!!!!!!so there.It seems like emperors new clothes to me if you know what I mean. Y.I.P.
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9:14pm Thu 3 Jul 14

postedinyork says...

the ONLY place to watch the tour" of France" should be in France.

Oh just had a thought,maybe we could have the Yorkshire show bang in the middle of Paris and parade all the animals down the streets so they have to close half the roads over there
the ONLY place to watch the tour" of France" should be in France. Oh just had a thought,maybe we could have the Yorkshire show bang in the middle of Paris and parade all the animals down the streets so they have to close half the roads over there postedinyork
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