Free parking trial launched in York tomorrow

York Press: Frank Wood hopes free parking will boost city centre trade Frank Wood hopes free parking will boost city centre trade

FREE parking will begin tomorrow in eight York car parks, with retailers hoping it will provide a big boost to city centre trade.

Residents and visitors will be able to park in the car parks – Nunnery Lane, Bishopthorpe Road, Castle Mills, Foss Bank, Marygate, Monk Bar, St George’s and Union Terrace – for free between 8am and 11am on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays.

City of York Council hopes the new scheme will assist city centre retailers following concerns about the impact of the opening in April of the Vangarde Shopping Park at Monks Cross which includes a newJohn Lewis store.

Adam Sinclair, City Team York chair and managing director of Mulberry Hall, said free parking would be excellent for customers and the public.

He added: “There is no question that the effects of Vangarde opening have caused difficulty for the city centre retailers.

“We have found footfall figures difficult but it is early days. This parking scheme will be an effective boost for the city centre and help generate activity in the mornings.”

Frank Wood, chair of the York Retail Forum, said: “We’re hoping to encourage people to come in early and then stay for the rest of the day.

“There were fears that the Vangarde Shopping Park would affect the city but I am not sure it has lived up to people’s expectations.”

David Cox, director of the Federation of Small Businesses, said he supported free parking on behalf of everyone in the city centre: “The scheme is a major step forward and we’re looking forward to seeing how it works.”

The free parking promotion was funded from section 106 money paid by the developers of the Vangarde centre as part of their planning permission agreement.

It was due to begin on May 26 but preparations were put on hold after Green and Liberal Democrat councillors called in the proposal for scrutiny at a meeting in May.

Cllr David Levene, cabinet member for transport, said yesterday: “After working with local businesses, we’re delighted to be launching the free parking trial tomorrow to help grow the city centre offer and ensure it stays busy and vibrant throughout the week.”

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9:48am Wed 18 Jun 14

Dave Ruddock says...

Its a Polo City since Supermarkets push local shops out of business, retail premises in the city are way to expensive, I think if this Council want to bring custom into the City, he speaks with his member of so called transport and make it (all day or 1 - 5 afternoon parking)

Get this newly appointed Non Member of the council (Ms Tilford or what ever her name is to bang a few heads.
Its a Polo City since Supermarkets push local shops out of business, retail premises in the city are way to expensive, I think if this Council want to bring custom into the City, he speaks with his member of so called transport and make it (all day or 1 - 5 afternoon parking) Get this newly appointed Non Member of the council (Ms Tilford or what ever her name is to bang a few heads. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 6

9:58am Wed 18 Jun 14

pedalling paul says...

Remember the last "free parking" trial in the run up to Christmas. We ended up with people driving round in circles looking for somewhere to park. Are we going to end up like the "Yesterday one More" photos in the Press, with cars shoehorned onto every square metre of empty space and kerbside? I sincerely hope not.
The overarching goal of York's Local Transport Plan is to reduce car dependancy, and cowtowing to local traders who erroneously equate city centre car access with commercial success flies in the face of common sense.
Won't be long before the roads leading to these car parks get congested, and cause delays to buses, taxis and blue badge holders. Might have been sensible to offer free parking only to multi-occupancy cars.
Remember the last "free parking" trial in the run up to Christmas. We ended up with people driving round in circles looking for somewhere to park. Are we going to end up like the "Yesterday one More" photos in the Press, with cars shoehorned onto every square metre of empty space and kerbside? I sincerely hope not. The overarching goal of York's Local Transport Plan is to reduce car dependancy, and cowtowing to local traders who erroneously equate city centre car access with commercial success flies in the face of common sense. Won't be long before the roads leading to these car parks get congested, and cause delays to buses, taxis and blue badge holders. Might have been sensible to offer free parking only to multi-occupancy cars. pedalling paul
  • Score: -25

10:22am Wed 18 Jun 14

sounds weird but says...

Great idea!
Great idea! sounds weird but
  • Score: -6

10:54am Wed 18 Jun 14

BL2 says...

Would be a better idea if it was on a day most people don't normally work...
Would be a better idea if it was on a day most people don't normally work... BL2
  • Score: 6

11:49am Wed 18 Jun 14

itisforgirls says...

And why start at 8am? Which shops are open then?
And why start at 8am? Which shops are open then? itisforgirls
  • Score: 15

11:53am Wed 18 Jun 14

KevinWard59 says...

Another counter polution reduction and congestion busting measure to override the alleged benefits of Park & Ride.

Are there two council departments in opposition and competition here or is it one department trying to serve two masters?

Drive out to P & R + Drive in to Free Parking = 2 x P & R alleged purpose and benefit.

I will remain diplomatic and factual and not add exclaimation mark or question mark.
Another counter polution reduction and congestion busting measure to override the alleged benefits of Park & Ride. Are there two council departments in opposition and competition here or is it one department trying to serve two masters? Drive out to P & R + Drive in to Free Parking = 2 x P & R alleged purpose and benefit. I will remain diplomatic and factual and not add exclaimation mark or question mark. KevinWard59
  • Score: 9

12:09pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Oaklands Resident says...

Let's hope some lessons have been learned from the Lendal Bridge fiasco.

The base data (hourly traffic levels, parking numbers, parking income, footfall, retails sales etc) should be published now together with the targets for improvement that the trial is expected to achieve.

Then publish monthly monitoring reports.

Will still be difficult to isolate cause and effect given the improving economy, the Lendal closure factor not to mention the vagaries of the weather, special events etc,

Still looks a perverse decision to me (the 8:00am - 9:00am rush hour period discount) not to mention difficult for casual visitors to understand (hours, days of the week and - critically - the fact that about 50% of car parks will still not be "free")
Let's hope some lessons have been learned from the Lendal Bridge fiasco. The base data (hourly traffic levels, parking numbers, parking income, footfall, retails sales etc) should be published now together with the targets for improvement that the trial is expected to achieve. Then publish monthly monitoring reports. Will still be difficult to isolate cause and effect given the improving economy, the Lendal closure factor not to mention the vagaries of the weather, special events etc, Still looks a perverse decision to me (the 8:00am - 9:00am rush hour period discount) not to mention difficult for casual visitors to understand (hours, days of the week and - critically - the fact that about 50% of car parks will still not be "free") Oaklands Resident
  • Score: 1

12:45pm Wed 18 Jun 14

eeoodares says...

Flip-flop council!
Flip-flop council! eeoodares
  • Score: 8

12:53pm Wed 18 Jun 14

greenmonkey says...

Cant wait to see all the irate motorists in Castle car park when they realise its not included - hopefully before they get a parking fine for not buying a ticket.
The whole thing is badly thought out with no monitoring of the supposed benefits and no alternative concessions for drivers willing to use the park and ride services so recently upgraded. More cars in the centre will not only increase pollution, it will delay the buses especially on the three busiest mornings of the week. If that doesnt happen it will just be a back handed subsidy from Monks Cross to the car parks income stream. I dont even think it will help city centre trade as much as a good incentive to use the park and ride would do - who wants to drive in at the busiest time, queue up for spaces and then rush back home again before lunch time? In contrast those using park and ride are likely to stay longer, spend more in cafes and have a more positive experience of York
Cant wait to see all the irate motorists in Castle car park when they realise its not included - hopefully before they get a parking fine for not buying a ticket. The whole thing is badly thought out with no monitoring of the supposed benefits and no alternative concessions for drivers willing to use the park and ride services so recently upgraded. More cars in the centre will not only increase pollution, it will delay the buses especially on the three busiest mornings of the week. If that doesnt happen it will just be a back handed subsidy from Monks Cross to the car parks income stream. I dont even think it will help city centre trade as much as a good incentive to use the park and ride would do - who wants to drive in at the busiest time, queue up for spaces and then rush back home again before lunch time? In contrast those using park and ride are likely to stay longer, spend more in cafes and have a more positive experience of York greenmonkey
  • Score: -4

1:13pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Remember the last "free parking" trial in the run up to Christmas. We ended up with people driving round in circles looking for somewhere to park. Are we going to end up like the "Yesterday one More" photos in the Press, with cars shoehorned onto every square metre of empty space and kerbside? I sincerely hope not. The overarching goal of York's Local Transport Plan is to reduce car dependancy, and cowtowing to local traders who erroneously equate city centre car access with commercial success flies in the face of common sense. Won't be long before the roads leading to these car parks get congested, and cause delays to buses, taxis and blue badge holders. Might have been sensible to offer free parking only to multi-occupancy cars.
Again Paul this is for a few hours at a time so I can't see the mayhem it will cause... especially as it’s not a weekend.

Yes Paul cars will delay busses and taxi's....... GOOD! All they do is delay us!!!!!!! Get real. They are empty anyway! There are more busses then people now!

Why would people be bothered about free parking? why not get onto the new park and ride green bus paul?? is it still a slow starter or will you now admit its the worst location possible?

If transport into york city centre was cheaper and quicker people would use it... but it takes longer and costs more... so paul until you get your head around these facts your lycra paradise will not exist.

In recent months york council has taken away trade from the locals. It has made it harder for people to get into the centre to shop. key there paul is shop. you can't put a new suit on a bike in the rain! nor would you want a load of shopping on a bus. So this scheme is long overdue and needed to actually get people into or near york city centre (as the car parks are all on what i would class as outskirts) and spending money.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Remember the last "free parking" trial in the run up to Christmas. We ended up with people driving round in circles looking for somewhere to park. Are we going to end up like the "Yesterday one More" photos in the Press, with cars shoehorned onto every square metre of empty space and kerbside? I sincerely hope not. The overarching goal of York's Local Transport Plan is to reduce car dependancy, and cowtowing to local traders who erroneously equate city centre car access with commercial success flies in the face of common sense. Won't be long before the roads leading to these car parks get congested, and cause delays to buses, taxis and blue badge holders. Might have been sensible to offer free parking only to multi-occupancy cars.[/p][/quote]Again Paul this is for a few hours at a time so I can't see the mayhem it will cause... especially as it’s not a weekend. Yes Paul cars will delay busses and taxi's....... GOOD! All they do is delay us!!!!!!! Get real. They are empty anyway! There are more busses then people now! Why would people be bothered about free parking? why not get onto the new park and ride green bus paul?? is it still a slow starter or will you now admit its the worst location possible? If transport into york city centre was cheaper and quicker people would use it... but it takes longer and costs more... so paul until you get your head around these facts your lycra paradise will not exist. In recent months york council has taken away trade from the locals. It has made it harder for people to get into the centre to shop. key there paul is shop. you can't put a new suit on a bike in the rain! nor would you want a load of shopping on a bus. So this scheme is long overdue and needed to actually get people into or near york city centre (as the car parks are all on what i would class as outskirts) and spending money. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 11

1:14pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: Remember the last "free parking" trial in the run up to Christmas. We ended up with people driving round in circles looking for somewhere to park. Are we going to end up like the "Yesterday one More" photos in the Press, with cars shoehorned onto every square metre of empty space and kerbside? I sincerely hope not. The overarching goal of York's Local Transport Plan is to reduce car dependancy, and cowtowing to local traders who erroneously equate city centre car access with commercial success flies in the face of common sense. Won't be long before the roads leading to these car parks get congested, and cause delays to buses, taxis and blue badge holders. Might have been sensible to offer free parking only to multi-occupancy cars.
Again Paul this is for a few hours at a time so I can't see the mayhem it will cause... especially as it’s not a weekend. Yes Paul cars will delay busses and taxi's....... GOOD! All they do is delay us!!!!!!! Get real. They are empty anyway! There are more busses then people now! Why would people be bothered about free parking? why not get onto the new park and ride green bus paul?? is it still a slow starter or will you now admit its the worst location possible? If transport into york city centre was cheaper and quicker people would use it... but it takes longer and costs more... so paul until you get your head around these facts your lycra paradise will not exist. In recent months york council has taken away trade from the locals. It has made it harder for people to get into the centre to shop. key there paul is shop. you can't put a new suit on a bike in the rain! nor would you want a load of shopping on a bus. So this scheme is long overdue and needed to actually get people into or near york city centre (as the car parks are all on what i would class as outskirts) and spending money.
correction sat morning. for 3 hours...
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Remember the last "free parking" trial in the run up to Christmas. We ended up with people driving round in circles looking for somewhere to park. Are we going to end up like the "Yesterday one More" photos in the Press, with cars shoehorned onto every square metre of empty space and kerbside? I sincerely hope not. The overarching goal of York's Local Transport Plan is to reduce car dependancy, and cowtowing to local traders who erroneously equate city centre car access with commercial success flies in the face of common sense. Won't be long before the roads leading to these car parks get congested, and cause delays to buses, taxis and blue badge holders. Might have been sensible to offer free parking only to multi-occupancy cars.[/p][/quote]Again Paul this is for a few hours at a time so I can't see the mayhem it will cause... especially as it’s not a weekend. Yes Paul cars will delay busses and taxi's....... GOOD! All they do is delay us!!!!!!! Get real. They are empty anyway! There are more busses then people now! Why would people be bothered about free parking? why not get onto the new park and ride green bus paul?? is it still a slow starter or will you now admit its the worst location possible? If transport into york city centre was cheaper and quicker people would use it... but it takes longer and costs more... so paul until you get your head around these facts your lycra paradise will not exist. In recent months york council has taken away trade from the locals. It has made it harder for people to get into the centre to shop. key there paul is shop. you can't put a new suit on a bike in the rain! nor would you want a load of shopping on a bus. So this scheme is long overdue and needed to actually get people into or near york city centre (as the car parks are all on what i would class as outskirts) and spending money.[/p][/quote]correction sat morning. for 3 hours... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -4

1:20pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

greenmonkey wrote:
Cant wait to see all the irate motorists in Castle car park when they realise its not included - hopefully before they get a parking fine for not buying a ticket. The whole thing is badly thought out with no monitoring of the supposed benefits and no alternative concessions for drivers willing to use the park and ride services so recently upgraded. More cars in the centre will not only increase pollution, it will delay the buses especially on the three busiest mornings of the week. If that doesnt happen it will just be a back handed subsidy from Monks Cross to the car parks income stream. I dont even think it will help city centre trade as much as a good incentive to use the park and ride would do - who wants to drive in at the busiest time, queue up for spaces and then rush back home again before lunch time? In contrast those using park and ride are likely to stay longer, spend more in cafes and have a more positive experience of York
“In contrast those using park and ride are likely to stay longer, spend more in cafes and have a more positive experience of York”

can you tell me where this so accurate research came from?

1 cup of coffee does not run a business. I think if people do a dash visit to actually buy something and bugger off it will be more benificial to the number of £s spent.

“who wants to drive in at the busiest time, queue up for spaces and then rush back home again before lunch time?”

me! quiet often when i want to buy some new clobber rather then driving out to the poppleton p&r in queues only to double back on myself and wait in the SAME queues!
[quote][p][bold]greenmonkey[/bold] wrote: Cant wait to see all the irate motorists in Castle car park when they realise its not included - hopefully before they get a parking fine for not buying a ticket. The whole thing is badly thought out with no monitoring of the supposed benefits and no alternative concessions for drivers willing to use the park and ride services so recently upgraded. More cars in the centre will not only increase pollution, it will delay the buses especially on the three busiest mornings of the week. If that doesnt happen it will just be a back handed subsidy from Monks Cross to the car parks income stream. I dont even think it will help city centre trade as much as a good incentive to use the park and ride would do - who wants to drive in at the busiest time, queue up for spaces and then rush back home again before lunch time? In contrast those using park and ride are likely to stay longer, spend more in cafes and have a more positive experience of York[/p][/quote]“In contrast those using park and ride are likely to stay longer, spend more in cafes and have a more positive experience of York” can you tell me where this so accurate research came from? 1 cup of coffee does not run a business. I think if people do a dash visit to actually buy something and bugger off it will be more benificial to the number of £s spent. “who wants to drive in at the busiest time, queue up for spaces and then rush back home again before lunch time?” me! quiet often when i want to buy some new clobber rather then driving out to the poppleton p&r in queues only to double back on myself and wait in the SAME queues! Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -4

4:00pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Minstermummy says...

Good idea in theory to bring some free parking .. However
Why not make it 3pm-6pm ?
The market traders will be staying till 5pm with their new hours so why not encourage people to use it ?
Would also encourage people to be around early evening when Town is normally dead anyway
Good idea in theory to bring some free parking .. However Why not make it 3pm-6pm ? The market traders will be staying till 5pm with their new hours so why not encourage people to use it ? Would also encourage people to be around early evening when Town is normally dead anyway Minstermummy
  • Score: 6

4:58pm Wed 18 Jun 14

I'msohappy.com says...

Maybe I'm having a blonde moment here but.....how is free parking until 11am going to encourage people to stay in York city centre all day? People will have to return to their cars to buy a ticket at 11am and I'm finding it hard to believe they'll then be heading back to the shops,
I also wouldn't mind betting that Mr/Mrs traffic warden will be patrolling these car parks from 11am with ticket machine at the ready!!!
Maybe I'm having a blonde moment here but.....how is free parking until 11am going to encourage people to stay in York city centre all day? People will have to return to their cars to buy a ticket at 11am and I'm finding it hard to believe they'll then be heading back to the shops, I also wouldn't mind betting that Mr/Mrs traffic warden will be patrolling these car parks from 11am with ticket machine at the ready!!! I'msohappy.com
  • Score: 11

5:26pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Caecilius says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Remember the last "free parking" trial in the run up to Christmas. We ended up with people driving round in circles looking for somewhere to park. Are we going to end up like the "Yesterday one More" photos in the Press, with cars shoehorned onto every square metre of empty space and kerbside? I sincerely hope not. The overarching goal of York's Local Transport Plan is to reduce car dependancy, and cowtowing to local traders who erroneously equate city centre car access with commercial success flies in the face of common sense. Won't be long before the roads leading to these car parks get congested, and cause delays to buses, taxis and blue badge holders. Might have been sensible to offer free parking only to multi-occupancy cars.
Again Paul this is for a few hours at a time so I can't see the mayhem it will cause... especially as it’s not a weekend.

Yes Paul cars will delay busses and taxi's....... GOOD! All they do is delay us!!!!!!! Get real. They are empty anyway! There are more busses then people now!

Why would people be bothered about free parking? why not get onto the new park and ride green bus paul?? is it still a slow starter or will you now admit its the worst location possible?

If transport into york city centre was cheaper and quicker people would use it... but it takes longer and costs more... so paul until you get your head around these facts your lycra paradise will not exist.

In recent months york council has taken away trade from the locals. It has made it harder for people to get into the centre to shop. key there paul is shop. you can't put a new suit on a bike in the rain! nor would you want a load of shopping on a bus. So this scheme is long overdue and needed to actually get people into or near york city centre (as the car parks are all on what i would class as outskirts) and spending money.
If YCC made it harder for people to get into the city centre to shop, how do you account for the fact that footfall in the city centre actually rose while Lendal Bridge was closed, in comparison with the corresponding months during the previous year? Or was that just another bit of foot stomping, like "there are more buses than people", your claim that buses and taxis drive round empty (I wonder how taxi drivers manage to make a living, then?), or your glee at the thought that you're inconveniencing people who aren't driving a car and who will now be subsidising your free parking?

Incidentally, it's perfectly possible to buy a suit without having the use of a car, and to take home your shopping on the bus. Are you saying that, when you purchase a suit, you change into it into the shop, hand your old clothes to the nearest Big Issue seller and dive straight into your car in case your new finery gets creased?
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Remember the last "free parking" trial in the run up to Christmas. We ended up with people driving round in circles looking for somewhere to park. Are we going to end up like the "Yesterday one More" photos in the Press, with cars shoehorned onto every square metre of empty space and kerbside? I sincerely hope not. The overarching goal of York's Local Transport Plan is to reduce car dependancy, and cowtowing to local traders who erroneously equate city centre car access with commercial success flies in the face of common sense. Won't be long before the roads leading to these car parks get congested, and cause delays to buses, taxis and blue badge holders. Might have been sensible to offer free parking only to multi-occupancy cars.[/p][/quote]Again Paul this is for a few hours at a time so I can't see the mayhem it will cause... especially as it’s not a weekend. Yes Paul cars will delay busses and taxi's....... GOOD! All they do is delay us!!!!!!! Get real. They are empty anyway! There are more busses then people now! Why would people be bothered about free parking? why not get onto the new park and ride green bus paul?? is it still a slow starter or will you now admit its the worst location possible? If transport into york city centre was cheaper and quicker people would use it... but it takes longer and costs more... so paul until you get your head around these facts your lycra paradise will not exist. In recent months york council has taken away trade from the locals. It has made it harder for people to get into the centre to shop. key there paul is shop. you can't put a new suit on a bike in the rain! nor would you want a load of shopping on a bus. So this scheme is long overdue and needed to actually get people into or near york city centre (as the car parks are all on what i would class as outskirts) and spending money.[/p][/quote]If YCC made it harder for people to get into the city centre to shop, how do you account for the fact that footfall in the city centre actually rose while Lendal Bridge was closed, in comparison with the corresponding months during the previous year? Or was that just another bit of foot stomping, like "there are more buses than people", your claim that buses and taxis drive round empty (I wonder how taxi drivers manage to make a living, then?), or your glee at the thought that you're inconveniencing people who aren't driving a car and who will now be subsidising your free parking? Incidentally, it's perfectly possible to buy a suit without having the use of a car, and to take home your shopping on the bus. Are you saying that, when you purchase a suit, you change into it into the shop, hand your old clothes to the nearest Big Issue seller and dive straight into your car in case your new finery gets creased? Caecilius
  • Score: -1

5:55pm Wed 18 Jun 14

WhyEver says...

I'msohappy.com wrote:
Maybe I'm having a blonde moment here but.....how is free parking until 11am going to encourage people to stay in York city centre all day? People will have to return to their cars to buy a ticket at 11am and I'm finding it hard to believe they'll then be heading back to the shops,
I also wouldn't mind betting that Mr/Mrs traffic warden will be patrolling these car parks from 11am with ticket machine at the ready!!!
If you want to stay beyond 11am then you'll just need to pay for the extra time. No different to other days if you arrive before 8am, surely?
[quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: Maybe I'm having a blonde moment here but.....how is free parking until 11am going to encourage people to stay in York city centre all day? People will have to return to their cars to buy a ticket at 11am and I'm finding it hard to believe they'll then be heading back to the shops, I also wouldn't mind betting that Mr/Mrs traffic warden will be patrolling these car parks from 11am with ticket machine at the ready!!![/p][/quote]If you want to stay beyond 11am then you'll just need to pay for the extra time. No different to other days if you arrive before 8am, surely? WhyEver
  • Score: 1

7:17pm Wed 18 Jun 14

KevinWard59 says...

WhyEver wrote:
I'msohappy.com wrote:
Maybe I'm having a blonde moment here but.....how is free parking until 11am going to encourage people to stay in York city centre all day? People will have to return to their cars to buy a ticket at 11am and I'm finding it hard to believe they'll then be heading back to the shops,
I also wouldn't mind betting that Mr/Mrs traffic warden will be patrolling these car parks from 11am with ticket machine at the ready!!!
If you want to stay beyond 11am then you'll just need to pay for the extra time. No different to other days if you arrive before 8am, surely?
Stop arguing rubbish:- you all know very well that the council always takes everything into account with its first class logic, excellent outside consultation and gets it 100% right every time. So you don't need to worry - just let them get on with what they've already decided.
[quote][p][bold]WhyEver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: Maybe I'm having a blonde moment here but.....how is free parking until 11am going to encourage people to stay in York city centre all day? People will have to return to their cars to buy a ticket at 11am and I'm finding it hard to believe they'll then be heading back to the shops, I also wouldn't mind betting that Mr/Mrs traffic warden will be patrolling these car parks from 11am with ticket machine at the ready!!![/p][/quote]If you want to stay beyond 11am then you'll just need to pay for the extra time. No different to other days if you arrive before 8am, surely?[/p][/quote]Stop arguing rubbish:- you all know very well that the council always takes everything into account with its first class logic, excellent outside consultation and gets it 100% right every time. So you don't need to worry - just let them get on with what they've already decided. [P.S. They'll not take a blind bit of notice of what you say anyway] KevinWard59
  • Score: 4

10:34pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Kel*** says...

Anything to try boost trade for independent retailers I'm all for but starting this on the same week that Leeman road is closed I don't understand? Rush hour has been a nightmare this week and this can only add to it. I agree with others that the 8am start is too early, this can only cause more congestion at rush hour.
I hope it works I just wish it had started next week!
Anything to try boost trade for independent retailers I'm all for but starting this on the same week that Leeman road is closed I don't understand? Rush hour has been a nightmare this week and this can only add to it. I agree with others that the 8am start is too early, this can only cause more congestion at rush hour. I hope it works I just wish it had started next week! Kel***
  • Score: 9

8:11am Thu 19 Jun 14

pedalling paul says...

KevinWard59 wrote:
WhyEver wrote:
I'msohappy.com wrote:
Maybe I'm having a blonde moment here but.....how is free parking until 11am going to encourage people to stay in York city centre all day? People will have to return to their cars to buy a ticket at 11am and I'm finding it hard to believe they'll then be heading back to the shops,
I also wouldn't mind betting that Mr/Mrs traffic warden will be patrolling these car parks from 11am with ticket machine at the ready!!!
If you want to stay beyond 11am then you'll just need to pay for the extra time. No different to other days if you arrive before 8am, surely?
Stop arguing rubbish:- you all know very well that the council always takes everything into account with its first class logic, excellent outside consultation and gets it 100% right every time. So you don't need to worry - just let them get on with what they've already decided.
...there will never be a car owner's paradise in the City. No Local Authority on the planet can create one.
[quote][p][bold]KevinWard59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WhyEver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: Maybe I'm having a blonde moment here but.....how is free parking until 11am going to encourage people to stay in York city centre all day? People will have to return to their cars to buy a ticket at 11am and I'm finding it hard to believe they'll then be heading back to the shops, I also wouldn't mind betting that Mr/Mrs traffic warden will be patrolling these car parks from 11am with ticket machine at the ready!!![/p][/quote]If you want to stay beyond 11am then you'll just need to pay for the extra time. No different to other days if you arrive before 8am, surely?[/p][/quote]Stop arguing rubbish:- you all know very well that the council always takes everything into account with its first class logic, excellent outside consultation and gets it 100% right every time. So you don't need to worry - just let them get on with what they've already decided. [P.S. They'll not take a blind bit of notice of what you say anyway][/p][/quote]...there will never be a car owner's paradise in the City. No Local Authority on the planet can create one. pedalling paul
  • Score: -10

9:41am Thu 19 Jun 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Caecilius wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: Remember the last "free parking" trial in the run up to Christmas. We ended up with people driving round in circles looking for somewhere to park. Are we going to end up like the "Yesterday one More" photos in the Press, with cars shoehorned onto every square metre of empty space and kerbside? I sincerely hope not. The overarching goal of York's Local Transport Plan is to reduce car dependancy, and cowtowing to local traders who erroneously equate city centre car access with commercial success flies in the face of common sense. Won't be long before the roads leading to these car parks get congested, and cause delays to buses, taxis and blue badge holders. Might have been sensible to offer free parking only to multi-occupancy cars.
Again Paul this is for a few hours at a time so I can't see the mayhem it will cause... especially as it’s not a weekend. Yes Paul cars will delay busses and taxi's....... GOOD! All they do is delay us!!!!!!! Get real. They are empty anyway! There are more busses then people now! Why would people be bothered about free parking? why not get onto the new park and ride green bus paul?? is it still a slow starter or will you now admit its the worst location possible? If transport into york city centre was cheaper and quicker people would use it... but it takes longer and costs more... so paul until you get your head around these facts your lycra paradise will not exist. In recent months york council has taken away trade from the locals. It has made it harder for people to get into the centre to shop. key there paul is shop. you can't put a new suit on a bike in the rain! nor would you want a load of shopping on a bus. So this scheme is long overdue and needed to actually get people into or near york city centre (as the car parks are all on what i would class as outskirts) and spending money.
If YCC made it harder for people to get into the city centre to shop, how do you account for the fact that footfall in the city centre actually rose while Lendal Bridge was closed, in comparison with the corresponding months during the previous year? Or was that just another bit of foot stomping, like "there are more buses than people", your claim that buses and taxis drive round empty (I wonder how taxi drivers manage to make a living, then?), or your glee at the thought that you're inconveniencing people who aren't driving a car and who will now be subsidising your free parking? Incidentally, it's perfectly possible to buy a suit without having the use of a car, and to take home your shopping on the bus. Are you saying that, when you purchase a suit, you change into it into the shop, hand your old clothes to the nearest Big Issue seller and dive straight into your car in case your new finery gets creased?
Yes its called statistic manipulation. It’s what happens when someone makes a decision that goes wrong they use figures to make simpletons believe it was good after all. I mean how do you count footfall accurately? Also I’d point out what good is it having a rise in footfall, if the feet we talk about spend sweet f.a? If this footfall rise was so immense why were takings down so much? Or would that baffle your mind too much? Maybe people who walk cant make mass shops and spend lots of money as their method of transport won’t allow it like a car would?

Also while we are on it can you point out where I say taxis drive around empty?? Although point aside, for half of their fair they do... but anyway its obvious you can not read...

So my car inconveniences people? Do I drive on paths? Or are you relating to other road users? i.e its a f@ckin road you moron! Its meant for cars not pedestrians!

On the suit example I used... yes its perfectly possible to carry a suit all the way from town, to a bus stop, and then to sit or stand on a bus with it folded, to then put it in your car and drive home... but why go through all that hassle and crease your suit when you can simple use a city centre car park (despite what you anti car nazis think that is their purpose! for city centre trade and convenience!)

"Are you saying that, when you purchase a suit, you change into it into the shop, hand your old clothes to the nearest Big Issue seller and dive straight into your car in case your new finery gets creased?"

Again no... you are either blind or just make things up... I can confirm when I buy a new suit its in a suit carry.. I then hang it up in the car on the purpose made hangers and drive home. I then hang it up.

So out of all of that large statement you wrote what was the actual point in it?? I couldn’t read any? I just read make believe statements that did not actually go anywhere?
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Remember the last "free parking" trial in the run up to Christmas. We ended up with people driving round in circles looking for somewhere to park. Are we going to end up like the "Yesterday one More" photos in the Press, with cars shoehorned onto every square metre of empty space and kerbside? I sincerely hope not. The overarching goal of York's Local Transport Plan is to reduce car dependancy, and cowtowing to local traders who erroneously equate city centre car access with commercial success flies in the face of common sense. Won't be long before the roads leading to these car parks get congested, and cause delays to buses, taxis and blue badge holders. Might have been sensible to offer free parking only to multi-occupancy cars.[/p][/quote]Again Paul this is for a few hours at a time so I can't see the mayhem it will cause... especially as it’s not a weekend. Yes Paul cars will delay busses and taxi's....... GOOD! All they do is delay us!!!!!!! Get real. They are empty anyway! There are more busses then people now! Why would people be bothered about free parking? why not get onto the new park and ride green bus paul?? is it still a slow starter or will you now admit its the worst location possible? If transport into york city centre was cheaper and quicker people would use it... but it takes longer and costs more... so paul until you get your head around these facts your lycra paradise will not exist. In recent months york council has taken away trade from the locals. It has made it harder for people to get into the centre to shop. key there paul is shop. you can't put a new suit on a bike in the rain! nor would you want a load of shopping on a bus. So this scheme is long overdue and needed to actually get people into or near york city centre (as the car parks are all on what i would class as outskirts) and spending money.[/p][/quote]If YCC made it harder for people to get into the city centre to shop, how do you account for the fact that footfall in the city centre actually rose while Lendal Bridge was closed, in comparison with the corresponding months during the previous year? Or was that just another bit of foot stomping, like "there are more buses than people", your claim that buses and taxis drive round empty (I wonder how taxi drivers manage to make a living, then?), or your glee at the thought that you're inconveniencing people who aren't driving a car and who will now be subsidising your free parking? Incidentally, it's perfectly possible to buy a suit without having the use of a car, and to take home your shopping on the bus. Are you saying that, when you purchase a suit, you change into it into the shop, hand your old clothes to the nearest Big Issue seller and dive straight into your car in case your new finery gets creased?[/p][/quote]Yes its called statistic manipulation. It’s what happens when someone makes a decision that goes wrong they use figures to make simpletons believe it was good after all. I mean how do you count footfall accurately? Also I’d point out what good is it having a rise in footfall, if the feet we talk about spend sweet f.a? If this footfall rise was so immense why were takings down so much? Or would that baffle your mind too much? Maybe people who walk cant make mass shops and spend lots of money as their method of transport won’t allow it like a car would? Also while we are on it can you point out where I say taxis drive around empty?? Although point aside, for half of their fair they do... but anyway its obvious you can not read... So my car inconveniences people? Do I drive on paths? Or are you relating to other road users? i.e its a f@ckin road you moron! Its meant for cars not pedestrians! On the suit example I used... yes its perfectly possible to carry a suit all the way from town, to a bus stop, and then to sit or stand on a bus with it folded, to then put it in your car and drive home... but why go through all that hassle and crease your suit when you can simple use a city centre car park (despite what you anti car nazis think that is their purpose! for city centre trade and convenience!) "Are you saying that, when you purchase a suit, you change into it into the shop, hand your old clothes to the nearest Big Issue seller and dive straight into your car in case your new finery gets creased?" Again no... you are either blind or just make things up... I can confirm when I buy a new suit its in a suit carry.. I then hang it up in the car on the purpose made hangers and drive home. I then hang it up. So out of all of that large statement you wrote what was the actual point in it?? I couldn’t read any? I just read make believe statements that did not actually go anywhere? Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 2

10:53am Thu 19 Jun 14

SR0843 says...

Do two things: a) introduce free parking every day until 10am and from 4pm and b) ban private cars from within the city walls during those times. This would have a few effects: 1. People doing the school run to the Minster School would need to use a car park and walk the short distance, freeing up Goodramgate for traders and cyclists. 2.Parents of children at St Olave's could use Marygate car park instead of congesting residential roads around there. 3. People visiting the theatre, cinema and suchlike in town during the evening could come in, shop and eat beforehand, thereby bringing in revenue.
Do two things: a) introduce free parking every day until 10am and from 4pm and b) ban private cars from within the city walls during those times. This would have a few effects: 1. People doing the school run to the Minster School would need to use a car park and walk the short distance, freeing up Goodramgate for traders and cyclists. 2.Parents of children at St Olave's could use Marygate car park instead of congesting residential roads around there. 3. People visiting the theatre, cinema and suchlike in town during the evening could come in, shop and eat beforehand, thereby bringing in revenue. SR0843
  • Score: 5

11:09am Thu 19 Jun 14

mike.......durkin says...

it shud be free all morningand all day so you can get more time to park
up.
it shud be free all morningand all day so you can get more time to park up. mike.......durkin
  • Score: -2

11:22am Thu 19 Jun 14

KevinWard59 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
KevinWard59 wrote:
WhyEver wrote:
I'msohappy.com wrote:
Maybe I'm having a blonde moment here but.....how is free parking until 11am going to encourage people to stay in York city centre all day? People will have to return to their cars to buy a ticket at 11am and I'm finding it hard to believe they'll then be heading back to the shops,
I also wouldn't mind betting that Mr/Mrs traffic warden will be patrolling these car parks from 11am with ticket machine at the ready!!!
If you want to stay beyond 11am then you'll just need to pay for the extra time. No different to other days if you arrive before 8am, surely?
Stop arguing rubbish:- you all know very well that the council always takes everything into account with its first class logic, excellent outside consultation and gets it 100% right every time. So you don't need to worry - just let them get on with what they've already decided.
...there will never be a car owner's paradise in the City. No Local Authority on the planet can create one.
.....Because they all work by the same formula - with the same missing key elements and the same goals and regularly communicate and share research and silly plans and ideas to spend their budgets.

Will someone else please FOI % of council employees who's hobbies include cycling.

True common denominator.

Psychologically speaking, there are links concerning the thought processes of people associated with each of different hobbies engaged in.

Not sure which hobbies were associated with refusal to listen or accept the truth; detachment from reality; obsession; oversight; tunnelled vision and closed minds.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KevinWard59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WhyEver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: Maybe I'm having a blonde moment here but.....how is free parking until 11am going to encourage people to stay in York city centre all day? People will have to return to their cars to buy a ticket at 11am and I'm finding it hard to believe they'll then be heading back to the shops, I also wouldn't mind betting that Mr/Mrs traffic warden will be patrolling these car parks from 11am with ticket machine at the ready!!![/p][/quote]If you want to stay beyond 11am then you'll just need to pay for the extra time. No different to other days if you arrive before 8am, surely?[/p][/quote]Stop arguing rubbish:- you all know very well that the council always takes everything into account with its first class logic, excellent outside consultation and gets it 100% right every time. So you don't need to worry - just let them get on with what they've already decided. [P.S. They'll not take a blind bit of notice of what you say anyway][/p][/quote]...there will never be a car owner's paradise in the City. No Local Authority on the planet can create one.[/p][/quote].....Because they all work by the same formula - with the same missing key elements and the same goals and regularly communicate and share research and silly plans and ideas to spend their budgets. Will someone else please FOI % of council employees who's hobbies include cycling. True common denominator. Psychologically speaking, there are links concerning the thought processes of people associated with each of different hobbies engaged in. Not sure which hobbies were associated with refusal to listen or accept the truth; detachment from reality; obsession; oversight; tunnelled vision and closed minds. KevinWard59
  • Score: 2

6:20pm Thu 19 Jun 14

strangebuttrue? says...

When I first heard of this I thought, as did others, all the council were doing was inviting people to come into York in cars in the rush hour to cause mayhem with the traffic so they could say told you so. Looking at it further then will these now free part morning parking spaces be ones which would normally be used by people travelling into York for work and parking all day? This could cause some problems for people who drive in for work as they may now be confronted with a lack of parking spaces thus pushing them back out again onto the P&R. Makes you wonder if the council realised this?
When I first heard of this I thought, as did others, all the council were doing was inviting people to come into York in cars in the rush hour to cause mayhem with the traffic so they could say told you so. Looking at it further then will these now free part morning parking spaces be ones which would normally be used by people travelling into York for work and parking all day? This could cause some problems for people who drive in for work as they may now be confronted with a lack of parking spaces thus pushing them back out again onto the P&R. Makes you wonder if the council realised this? strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 2

11:20pm Sat 21 Jun 14

greenmonkey says...

strangebuttrue? wrote:
When I first heard of this I thought, as did others, all the council were doing was inviting people to come into York in cars in the rush hour to cause mayhem with the traffic so they could say told you so. Looking at it further then will these now free part morning parking spaces be ones which would normally be used by people travelling into York for work and parking all day? This could cause some problems for people who drive in for work as they may now be confronted with a lack of parking spaces thus pushing them back out again onto the P&R. Makes you wonder if the council realised this?
An interesting point,. Would mean that not only does the council lose the income of the free parking period and the income from those switching car parks to the ones with the free offer, they also lose the income of those going to private car parks, side streets or using the park and ride who would normally be parked there all day. This will create a bigger hole in the budget meaning either scrapping the deal or more cuts/ council tax increases. Of course the irony is that they've done this on the 'advice' of city businesses who are looking after themselves at the expense of the rest of us and our council taxes
[quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: When I first heard of this I thought, as did others, all the council were doing was inviting people to come into York in cars in the rush hour to cause mayhem with the traffic so they could say told you so. Looking at it further then will these now free part morning parking spaces be ones which would normally be used by people travelling into York for work and parking all day? This could cause some problems for people who drive in for work as they may now be confronted with a lack of parking spaces thus pushing them back out again onto the P&R. Makes you wonder if the council realised this?[/p][/quote]An interesting point,. Would mean that not only does the council lose the income of the free parking period and the income from those switching car parks to the ones with the free offer, they also lose the income of those going to private car parks, side streets or using the park and ride who would normally be parked there all day. This will create a bigger hole in the budget meaning either scrapping the deal or more cuts/ council tax increases. Of course the irony is that they've done this on the 'advice' of city businesses who are looking after themselves at the expense of the rest of us and our council taxes greenmonkey
  • Score: 0

7:45am Mon 23 Jun 14

JasBro says...

Caecilius wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Remember the last "free parking" trial in the run up to Christmas. We ended up with people driving round in circles looking for somewhere to park. Are we going to end up like the "Yesterday one More" photos in the Press, with cars shoehorned onto every square metre of empty space and kerbside? I sincerely hope not. The overarching goal of York's Local Transport Plan is to reduce car dependancy, and cowtowing to local traders who erroneously equate city centre car access with commercial success flies in the face of common sense. Won't be long before the roads leading to these car parks get congested, and cause delays to buses, taxis and blue badge holders. Might have been sensible to offer free parking only to multi-occupancy cars.
Again Paul this is for a few hours at a time so I can't see the mayhem it will cause... especially as it’s not a weekend.

Yes Paul cars will delay busses and taxi's....... GOOD! All they do is delay us!!!!!!! Get real. They are empty anyway! There are more busses then people now!

Why would people be bothered about free parking? why not get onto the new park and ride green bus paul?? is it still a slow starter or will you now admit its the worst location possible?

If transport into york city centre was cheaper and quicker people would use it... but it takes longer and costs more... so paul until you get your head around these facts your lycra paradise will not exist.

In recent months york council has taken away trade from the locals. It has made it harder for people to get into the centre to shop. key there paul is shop. you can't put a new suit on a bike in the rain! nor would you want a load of shopping on a bus. So this scheme is long overdue and needed to actually get people into or near york city centre (as the car parks are all on what i would class as outskirts) and spending money.
If YCC made it harder for people to get into the city centre to shop, how do you account for the fact that footfall in the city centre actually rose while Lendal Bridge was closed, in comparison with the corresponding months during the previous year? Or was that just another bit of foot stomping, like "there are more buses than people", your claim that buses and taxis drive round empty (I wonder how taxi drivers manage to make a living, then?), or your glee at the thought that you're inconveniencing people who aren't driving a car and who will now be subsidising your free parking?

Incidentally, it's perfectly possible to buy a suit without having the use of a car, and to take home your shopping on the bus. Are you saying that, when you purchase a suit, you change into it into the shop, hand your old clothes to the nearest Big Issue seller and dive straight into your car in case your new finery gets creased?
The way that footfall is counted was changed during the trial.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Remember the last "free parking" trial in the run up to Christmas. We ended up with people driving round in circles looking for somewhere to park. Are we going to end up like the "Yesterday one More" photos in the Press, with cars shoehorned onto every square metre of empty space and kerbside? I sincerely hope not. The overarching goal of York's Local Transport Plan is to reduce car dependancy, and cowtowing to local traders who erroneously equate city centre car access with commercial success flies in the face of common sense. Won't be long before the roads leading to these car parks get congested, and cause delays to buses, taxis and blue badge holders. Might have been sensible to offer free parking only to multi-occupancy cars.[/p][/quote]Again Paul this is for a few hours at a time so I can't see the mayhem it will cause... especially as it’s not a weekend. Yes Paul cars will delay busses and taxi's....... GOOD! All they do is delay us!!!!!!! Get real. They are empty anyway! There are more busses then people now! Why would people be bothered about free parking? why not get onto the new park and ride green bus paul?? is it still a slow starter or will you now admit its the worst location possible? If transport into york city centre was cheaper and quicker people would use it... but it takes longer and costs more... so paul until you get your head around these facts your lycra paradise will not exist. In recent months york council has taken away trade from the locals. It has made it harder for people to get into the centre to shop. key there paul is shop. you can't put a new suit on a bike in the rain! nor would you want a load of shopping on a bus. So this scheme is long overdue and needed to actually get people into or near york city centre (as the car parks are all on what i would class as outskirts) and spending money.[/p][/quote]If YCC made it harder for people to get into the city centre to shop, how do you account for the fact that footfall in the city centre actually rose while Lendal Bridge was closed, in comparison with the corresponding months during the previous year? Or was that just another bit of foot stomping, like "there are more buses than people", your claim that buses and taxis drive round empty (I wonder how taxi drivers manage to make a living, then?), or your glee at the thought that you're inconveniencing people who aren't driving a car and who will now be subsidising your free parking? Incidentally, it's perfectly possible to buy a suit without having the use of a car, and to take home your shopping on the bus. Are you saying that, when you purchase a suit, you change into it into the shop, hand your old clothes to the nearest Big Issue seller and dive straight into your car in case your new finery gets creased?[/p][/quote]The way that footfall is counted was changed during the trial. JasBro
  • Score: 2

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