Lendal Bridge closure inquiry opposed

Lendal Bridge in York during the traffic restrictions

Lendal Bridge in York during the traffic restrictions

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SENIOR Labour councillors have opposed calls for an inquiry into the Lendal Bridge controversy.

Opposition Liberal Democrat councillors had argued that a watchdog committee should look into the trial, but council leader James Alexander and Cllr Dave Merrett, who was the cabinet member responsible for the trial, objected.

Their actions have led to claims the party is refusing to learn lessons from the fiasco and is standing in the way of democratic accountability, but Labour said a separate transport commission it was creating would look at the issue and look at ways of tackling congestion.

Lib Dem councillors Ann Reid and Ian Cuthbertson, challenged council leader James Alexander over a scruitny review at last month’s cabinet meeting, and Cllr Reid and Lib Dem group leader Keith Aspden both requested a scrutiny committee review of the trial.

At the time, Cllr Alexander said a review would be the “right thing to do” if that was what the scrutiny committee members wanted. But a report to go before the committee next week reveals he considers the calls for an investigation by the committee to be “politics not scrutiny”.

The same papers show Cllr Dave Merrett, who was responsible for transport at the time of the sixmonth trial, said a scrutiny committee review would be premature and could prejudice a legal case between the council and the traffic adjudicator, which said the trial was unlawful.

The Lib Dems dubbed Labour’s attempts to block scrutiny “unacceptable”.

Leader Keith Aspden said: “The public deserve answers, particularly those residents and businesses who were directly affected. We need to know how Labour implemented an ‘unlawful’ scheme, why the signage was so poor, why there no real public consultation before the trial, and why in the face of overwhelming opposition Labour pushed on with the closure.

“Only by properly analysing the Lendal Bridge trial and learning the necessary lessons can the council ensure that future attempts at tackling congestion are more successful.”

Conservative leader Chris Steward added: “The bridge closure has been and remains a disaster for York and this is partly because Labour didn’t involve other parties in the decision-making process and as there was no proper scrutiny of the process.

"There was nothing more political in the whole farce than the decision to end the trial which we know was purely due to Labour councillors worried about the coming election.

Given there is to be a supposed cross-party commission on congestion, Labour should be looking at everything they can now to learn lessons, rather than pretending their mistakes didn’t happen.”

The Labour leadership pointed to an independently chaired commission it has pledged to set up after the trial’s failure.

A party spokesman said: “Looking over the information collected from the bridge trial will be the job of the cross-party, independently chaired, Traffic Congestion Commission. All parties have the option to participate in this and do something constructive to tackle what is a major problem for the city that has been here for a long time and isn’t going away.”

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11:31am Thu 5 Jun 14

Yorkie41 says...

As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.
As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy. Yorkie41
  • Score: -10

11:49am Thu 5 Jun 14

The Great Buda says...

Failure to have a proper inquiry will hurt Labour a lot more than if they have one.
Failure to have a proper inquiry will hurt Labour a lot more than if they have one. The Great Buda
  • Score: -24

11:55am Thu 5 Jun 14

Dr Brian says...

Basically Alexander - you and your lot messed up but you don't want an enquiry to OFFICALLY say you messed up!

It makes no difference - we all know you messed up and in 11 months time we will all remember you messed up and even life long Labour voters like myself will not be voting for you.

Oh and re a legal case between the council and the traffic adjudicator, I have written to you three times asking how much that would cost and is it a wise investment of our council tax to pursue such a case. You have not even acknowleged me.

You are out of touch out of contact and next year you will be out of office.
Basically Alexander - you and your lot messed up but you don't want an enquiry to OFFICALLY say you messed up! It makes no difference - we all know you messed up and in 11 months time we will all remember you messed up and even life long Labour voters like myself will not be voting for you. Oh and re a legal case between the council and the traffic adjudicator, I have written to you three times asking how much that would cost and is it a wise investment of our council tax to pursue such a case. You have not even acknowleged me. You are out of touch out of contact and next year you will be out of office. Dr Brian
  • Score: -22

12:00pm Thu 5 Jun 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

A party spokesman said: “Looking over the information collected from the bridge trial will be the job of the cross-party, independently chaired, Traffic Congestion Commission.

The independently chaired, Traffic Congestion Commission should be tasked to look at the historical failed traffic management polocy over the past 10 years and explain to residents why congestion and emmissions have increased while traffic volume has remained at 2004/2005 levels.

The question of the Lendal failure is a totally separate issue that should be investigated independent of those with vested interests in the outcome.

Yesterday we had the story on FOI requests, today we have yet another example of why FOI requests are important.

Del Boy Leadership.
A party spokesman said: “Looking over the information collected from the bridge trial will be the job of the cross-party, independently chaired, Traffic Congestion Commission. The independently chaired, Traffic Congestion Commission should be tasked to look at the historical failed traffic management polocy over the past 10 years and explain to residents why congestion and emmissions have increased while traffic volume has remained at 2004/2005 levels. The question of the Lendal failure is a totally separate issue that should be investigated independent of those with vested interests in the outcome. Yesterday we had the story on FOI requests, today we have yet another example of why FOI requests are important. Del Boy Leadership. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -42

12:08pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Thecynic says...

Messrs Alexander and Merrett, 'If you've nothing to hide?, then you've nothing to fear'. Isn't that what we're all told? Then why the objections? Is there something to hide?
Messrs Alexander and Merrett, 'If you've nothing to hide?, then you've nothing to fear'. Isn't that what we're all told? Then why the objections? Is there something to hide? Thecynic
  • Score: -131

12:26pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Knavesmire view says...

I've lost count of the number of times over the last few years that I've thought to myself they can't sink any lowe, and then they do.

Alexander and Merrett are a disgrace, not fit to serve our wonderful city.

The elections next year will hopefully banish them for a long time, and Alexander can wander off into some poor unsuspecting Labour safe seat (hopefully as far away from York as possible!)
I've lost count of the number of times over the last few years that I've thought to myself they can't sink any lowe, and then they do. Alexander and Merrett are a disgrace, not fit to serve our wonderful city. The elections next year will hopefully banish them for a long time, and Alexander can wander off into some poor unsuspecting Labour safe seat (hopefully as far away from York as possible!) Knavesmire view
  • Score: -138

12:37pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Cheeky face says...

James Alexander e-mailed me in Feb 2014 and said he wanted to be open and honest! Only now have I had a response - which I have not fully perused. But I queried the signs etc before the trial. I then proved DVLA DID not get a call from Dave Merritt re "warning letters" to the registered keepers. He told the media he talked to DVLA to on several occasions. A junior clerk made the call I am told by an e-mail from the council!
The signs were wrong on the bridge until late Jan. Re-siting the often blocked sign at the Theatre Royal was also completed about that time. Restricted access on the AA signs should have read Lendal Br closed - and those exempt advised separately. I asked Tracey Simpson-Laing that in July 2013!

Did they contact the emergency services before the trial?

Who from the council went round the site of Coppergate/Lendal Br
with adjudicator in mid Feb 2014. At that time Darren Richardson promised to send the adjudicator details of fines etc at both sites. The info was not sent by the council!
James Alexander e-mailed me in Feb 2014 and said he wanted to be open and honest! Only now have I had a response - which I have not fully perused. But I queried the signs etc before the trial. I then proved DVLA DID not get a call from Dave Merritt re "warning letters" to the registered keepers. He told the media he talked to DVLA to on several occasions. A junior clerk made the call I am told by an e-mail from the council! The signs were wrong on the bridge until late Jan. Re-siting the often blocked sign at the Theatre Royal was also completed about that time. Restricted access on the AA signs should have read Lendal Br closed - and those exempt advised separately. I asked Tracey Simpson-Laing that in July 2013! Did they contact the emergency services before the trial? Who from the council went round the site of Coppergate/Lendal Br with adjudicator in mid Feb 2014. At that time Darren Richardson promised to send the adjudicator details of fines etc at both sites. The info was not sent by the council! Cheeky face
  • Score: -162

12:38pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Meirion M says...

Jim Il Yong, Alexander, continues to behave like a North Korean dictator.
Nothing to hide, my foot.
He and his gang will be out of York in May 2015, then we will really see what a mess he has brought York.
Roll on May 2015.
Jim Il Yong, Alexander, continues to behave like a North Korean dictator. Nothing to hide, my foot. He and his gang will be out of York in May 2015, then we will really see what a mess he has brought York. Roll on May 2015. Meirion M
  • Score: -100

12:38pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Yorkie41 wrote:
As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.
You're linking morality with politicians. It doesn't work.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.[/p][/quote]You're linking morality with politicians. It doesn't work. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -84

12:42pm Thu 5 Jun 14

eeoodares says...

If this lot had one ounce of integrity they would resign now.

Looking on the bright side, it has made more people political than I have ever known, all just wanting to vote this lot out.
If this lot had one ounce of integrity they would resign now. Looking on the bright side, it has made more people political than I have ever known, all just wanting to vote this lot out. eeoodares
  • Score: -91

12:42pm Thu 5 Jun 14

chunkyyorkie says...

Gotta laugh at Labour. They spend all their time in office targeting and victimising motorists with their policies and trying everything to make life miserable for drivers....and then come asking every household at election time for our vote, when most have at least one car! Biting the hand that feeds?
Congestion is a global problem and York's could be eased overnight if the council were genuinely interested simply by freeing up many of the roads they have closed or made exclusive for public transport use and by reinstating the layby style bus stops. Pretty much everything Labour have done in recent years actually creates congestion.
Gotta laugh at Labour. They spend all their time in office targeting and victimising motorists with their policies and trying everything to make life miserable for drivers....and then come asking every household at election time for our vote, when most have at least one car! Biting the hand that feeds? Congestion is a global problem and York's could be eased overnight if the council were genuinely interested simply by freeing up many of the roads they have closed or made exclusive for public transport use and by reinstating the layby style bus stops. Pretty much everything Labour have done in recent years actually creates congestion. chunkyyorkie
  • Score: -66

12:51pm Thu 5 Jun 14

MarkyMarkMark says...

"SENIOR Labour councillors have opposed calls for an inquiry into the Lendal Bridge controversy."

Gosh, that's a surprise.
"SENIOR Labour councillors have opposed calls for an inquiry into the Lendal Bridge controversy." Gosh, that's a surprise. MarkyMarkMark
  • Score: -68

12:56pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Cheeky face says...

I was told 20 years ago York's traffic badly needed sorting out. So that's what they have done, very bad no - actually worse than any other scheme nationally!

What could they have done in London? Or Ascot?

Some of the council employees know odd bits of how to perform decent working but it is dysfunctional and ill-thought out.
I was told 20 years ago York's traffic badly needed sorting out. So that's what they have done, very bad no - actually worse than any other scheme nationally! What could they have done in London? Or Ascot? Some of the council employees know odd bits of how to perform decent working but it is dysfunctional and ill-thought out. Cheeky face
  • Score: -65

1:04pm Thu 5 Jun 14

meme says...

What is wrong with these guys...They made a mistake...we all make them and we need to learn from them. they are too worried about their positions and not the good of York
Do they not read all the comments about openness and realise what people think of them ...rightly or wrongly?
you would think they would bend over backwards to be open and try to regain trust UNLESS of course there is something really serious to hide?
What is wrong with these guys...They made a mistake...we all make them and we need to learn from them. they are too worried about their positions and not the good of York Do they not read all the comments about openness and realise what people think of them ...rightly or wrongly? you would think they would bend over backwards to be open and try to regain trust UNLESS of course there is something really serious to hide? meme
  • Score: -41

1:10pm Thu 5 Jun 14

meme says...

when there is an election and if they fail to get a majority the new lot can get an enquiry then and expose the issues once and for all
I will not be voting labour again as although I prefer their politics I cannot in my heart see this lot locally back in power
I will vote conservative which may be a wasted vote but given they are the only ones who have not been given a chance in York I think they deserve one
Despite some people Nationally not having a good time of it the Cons have got us mainly out of the dung heap compared with most of Europe and I hate to think what would have happened if we were Labour led now. It may have been fairer but we would be bust!
when there is an election and if they fail to get a majority the new lot can get an enquiry then and expose the issues once and for all I will not be voting labour again as although I prefer their politics I cannot in my heart see this lot locally back in power I will vote conservative which may be a wasted vote but given they are the only ones who have not been given a chance in York I think they deserve one Despite some people Nationally not having a good time of it the Cons have got us mainly out of the dung heap compared with most of Europe and I hate to think what would have happened if we were Labour led now. It may have been fairer but we would be bust! meme
  • Score: -58

1:12pm Thu 5 Jun 14

again says...

Interesting article how Belfast is dealing with the problem of excessive traffic:

There are almost 11,000 fewer vehicles in Belfast city centre each day, after a major re-organisation of its traffic system.

"The BBC has seen the findings of a government impact study on its 'Belfast on the Move' project.

The scheme, completed last year, included 2.6km of new bus lanes on main thoroughfares like Oxford Street.

It states that more than half of the people coming to the city centre now use public transport or cycle or walk."

Unfortunately there is only so much road space and cars may not be the most efficient users of it! The belief that York's problems could be solved overnight is completely ludicrous of course.

Personally there's no way I will waste my time sitting in a traffic jam when there is an alternative. Let those whose time is worth little do so.
Interesting article how Belfast is dealing with the problem of excessive traffic: There are almost 11,000 fewer vehicles in Belfast city centre each day, after a major re-organisation of its traffic system. "The BBC has seen the findings of a government impact study on its 'Belfast on the Move' project. The scheme, completed last year, included 2.6km of new bus lanes on main thoroughfares like Oxford Street. It states that more than half of the people coming to the city centre now use public transport or cycle or walk." Unfortunately there is only so much road space and cars may not be the most efficient users of it! The belief that York's problems could be solved overnight is completely ludicrous of course. Personally there's no way I will waste my time sitting in a traffic jam when there is an alternative. Let those whose time is worth little do so. again
  • Score: 49

1:32pm Thu 5 Jun 14

wildthing666 says...

They are corrupt, saying they oppose an inquiry, come 2015 this corrupt lot will be picking up their P45 never to be seen or heard of again.
They are corrupt, saying they oppose an inquiry, come 2015 this corrupt lot will be picking up their P45 never to be seen or heard of again. wildthing666
  • Score: -55

1:36pm Thu 5 Jun 14

big boy york says...

did anybody really expect anything else
did anybody really expect anything else big boy york
  • Score: -33

1:38pm Thu 5 Jun 14

tobefair says...

Does the Labour party executive know what is happening in York?
It is time they disowned the York branch. This lot are giving the Labour party a bad name.
Does the Labour party executive know what is happening in York? It is time they disowned the York branch. This lot are giving the Labour party a bad name. tobefair
  • Score: -28

1:54pm Thu 5 Jun 14

greenmonkey says...

Meirion M wrote:
Jim Il Yong, Alexander, continues to behave like a North Korean dictator.
Nothing to hide, my foot.
He and his gang will be out of York in May 2015, then we will really see what a mess he has brought York.
Roll on May 2015.
I wouldnt be so sure - the local elections in 2015 will be at the same time as the general election: on average turnout is 20% higher with many Labour voters who normally stay at home turning out to vote to get rid of the Coalition that has implemented the government spending cuts. Labour are relying on this to keep their seats.
[quote][p][bold]Meirion M[/bold] wrote: Jim Il Yong, Alexander, continues to behave like a North Korean dictator. Nothing to hide, my foot. He and his gang will be out of York in May 2015, then we will really see what a mess he has brought York. Roll on May 2015.[/p][/quote]I wouldnt be so sure - the local elections in 2015 will be at the same time as the general election: on average turnout is 20% higher with many Labour voters who normally stay at home turning out to vote to get rid of the Coalition that has implemented the government spending cuts. Labour are relying on this to keep their seats. greenmonkey
  • Score: -96

1:57pm Thu 5 Jun 14

mitch2nd says...

Of course they will they are all crooks and would lose their jobs, GET LABOUR OUT OF YORK
Of course they will they are all crooks and would lose their jobs, GET LABOUR OUT OF YORK mitch2nd
  • Score: -56

2:29pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Geoffers says...

Well, come the next election, when James will lose his 'seat' the Labour Party will be sure to kick him out too. The guy's just an embarrassment to York and to them!
Well, come the next election, when James will lose his 'seat' the Labour Party will be sure to kick him out too. The guy's just an embarrassment to York and to them! Geoffers
  • Score: -95

2:32pm Thu 5 Jun 14

MarkyMarkMark says...

greenmonkey wrote:
Meirion M wrote:
Jim Il Yong, Alexander, continues to behave like a North Korean dictator.
Nothing to hide, my foot.
He and his gang will be out of York in May 2015, then we will really see what a mess he has brought York.
Roll on May 2015.
I wouldnt be so sure - the local elections in 2015 will be at the same time as the general election: on average turnout is 20% higher with many Labour voters who normally stay at home turning out to vote to get rid of the Coalition that has implemented the government spending cuts. Labour are relying on this to keep their seats.
Too true, Greenmonkey.

People need to be more aware, possibly even a-political, and certainly separate the national party and policies from the local incompetents and policies.

You don't have to vote "straight Labour" on *both* polling papers.
Although I'm not sure about actually voting for any of them, any more, locally or nationally. I know who I want to vote against though!
[quote][p][bold]greenmonkey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meirion M[/bold] wrote: Jim Il Yong, Alexander, continues to behave like a North Korean dictator. Nothing to hide, my foot. He and his gang will be out of York in May 2015, then we will really see what a mess he has brought York. Roll on May 2015.[/p][/quote]I wouldnt be so sure - the local elections in 2015 will be at the same time as the general election: on average turnout is 20% higher with many Labour voters who normally stay at home turning out to vote to get rid of the Coalition that has implemented the government spending cuts. Labour are relying on this to keep their seats.[/p][/quote]Too true, Greenmonkey. People need to be more aware, possibly even a-political, and certainly separate the national party and policies from the local incompetents and policies. You don't have to vote "straight Labour" on *both* polling papers. Although I'm not sure about actually voting for any of them, any more, locally or nationally. I know who I want to vote against though! MarkyMarkMark
  • Score: -64

2:41pm Thu 5 Jun 14

I'msohappy.com says...

Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??
Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!?? I'msohappy.com
  • Score: 84

2:42pm Thu 5 Jun 14

yawn.. says...

Mr Merrett told BBC Radio York: "Yes, I accept that at the end of the day that if we've got it wrong to that extent that I'd have to resign." - BBC York and North Yorkshire - 5 April 2014.!! Instead what happens....? 20% pay rise.. you couldn't make it up. Then given the sounds of Galloway chelping in the background, does HE seriously thing that we'd have forgotten Anne Reid's 'green wave'.. and these people still have jobs SERVING US (and not just themselves).!! Right now I'd vote for a piece of cheese so long as they promised to oust these people from their ivory towers.
Mr Merrett told BBC Radio York: "Yes, I accept that at the end of the day that if we've got it wrong to that extent that I'd have to resign." - BBC York and North Yorkshire - 5 April 2014.!! Instead what happens....? 20% pay rise.. you couldn't make it up. Then given the sounds of Galloway chelping in the background, does HE seriously thing that we'd have forgotten Anne Reid's 'green wave'.. and these people still have jobs SERVING US (and not just themselves).!! Right now I'd vote for a piece of cheese so long as they promised to oust these people from their ivory towers. yawn..
  • Score: -60

3:47pm Thu 5 Jun 14

jay, york says...

So both alexander and merrett do NOT want a scrutiny review - why? Obviously they do have something to hide and are trying to turn it into "politics" now - such a childish reaction Come on Gwen Swinburn - get the pressure on.
After reading last nights story about labour councils secrecy tactics, this is surely a prime example of it. I can see a lot more FOI requests heading their way!!!
So both alexander and merrett do NOT want a scrutiny review - why? Obviously they do have something to hide and are trying to turn it into "politics" now - such a childish reaction Come on Gwen Swinburn - get the pressure on. After reading last nights story about labour councils secrecy tactics, this is surely a prime example of it. I can see a lot more FOI requests heading their way!!! jay, york
  • Score: -72

3:50pm Thu 5 Jun 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Yorkie41 wrote:
As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.
You're linking morality with politicians. It doesn't work.
.......we only think we live in a democracy. We are lucky compared to many others - but no not a democracy - most especially considering all the career politicians of which we have an example here in York. Not a fine example sadly. I am amazed to see how the people voted for constantly ignore the wishes of the people who voted them in and am at a loss to think how this may be resolved.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.[/p][/quote]You're linking morality with politicians. It doesn't work.[/p][/quote].......we only think we live in a democracy. We are lucky compared to many others - but no not a democracy - most especially considering all the career politicians of which we have an example here in York. Not a fine example sadly. I am amazed to see how the people voted for constantly ignore the wishes of the people who voted them in and am at a loss to think how this may be resolved. thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: -89

3:55pm Thu 5 Jun 14

oi oi savaloy says...

york labour = corrupt
york labour = corrupt oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -53

4:21pm Thu 5 Jun 14

eeoodares says...

I'msohappy.com wrote:
Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??
Why do you keep reading and commenting on it?
[quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??[/p][/quote]Why do you keep reading and commenting on it? eeoodares
  • Score: -57

4:42pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Cheeky face says...

Honest comments are not boring, they are a means of advising people what others feel about actions taken. Council tax payers have a right to see how money is spent/mis-spent.

The council's mandatory requirement is to ease traffic flow. Lendal Bridge was courageous but awfully administered; as was Coppergate; although the latter has been poor for 50 years!.

The answer is to get public transport working in such a way that it is the most convenient form of transport into Cork.for a lot more people; and if that means it costs the council money initially then so be it.(Cork is my new name for the city because it is a bottleneck!

Has anyone thought about letting the government department that partly funded the trial know what is really being felt by residents/businesses and visitor/tourists.
Honest comments are not boring, they are a means of advising people what others feel about actions taken. Council tax payers have a right to see how money is spent/mis-spent. The council's mandatory requirement is to ease traffic flow. Lendal Bridge was courageous but awfully administered; as was Coppergate; although the latter has been poor for 50 years!. The answer is to get public transport working in such a way that it is the most convenient form of transport into Cork.for a lot more people; and if that means it costs the council money initially then so be it.(Cork is my new name for the city because it is a bottleneck! Has anyone thought about letting the government department that partly funded the trial know what is really being felt by residents/businesses and visitor/tourists. Cheeky face
  • Score: -95

4:53pm Thu 5 Jun 14

I'msohappy.com says...

eeoodares wrote:
I'msohappy.com wrote:
Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??
Why do you keep reading and commenting on it?
Because I can!!!
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??[/p][/quote]Why do you keep reading and commenting on it?[/p][/quote]Because I can!!! I'msohappy.com
  • Score: 67

4:59pm Thu 5 Jun 14

courier46 says...

Resign now, Morons!
Resign now, Morons! courier46
  • Score: -50

5:10pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Woody G Mellor says...

I see the mark down idiot isn't allowed on the computer yet.
I see the mark down idiot isn't allowed on the computer yet. Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -74

5:37pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pault42 says...

Just a few thoughts on this. When the Lendal Bridge 'trial' was ongoing we regularly heard the illustrious Cllrs Merritt and Alexander on Radio York promoting their latest pet project and its virtues (their opinion). Yet now we don't hear anything from them. Why not I wonder.

Now we hear they oppose an inquiry into their own project? Is this a dictatorship council we have in place? Perhaps they are concerned about all the other issues that might be found when stones start getting overturned..

It would appear that the Labour Is Always Right (just use the initials L.I.A.R.) council are behaving like a child caught out and saying 'I didn't eat the chocolate' whilst having it all around their mouths.

York Council is an embarassment to democracy, and an affront to decency. The scary thing is that the leaders appear to have all the necessary attributes to go far in their Political party.

P.S. When is the Score Muppet going to start his work.....
Just a few thoughts on this. When the Lendal Bridge 'trial' was ongoing we regularly heard the illustrious Cllrs Merritt and Alexander on Radio York promoting their latest pet project and its virtues (their opinion). Yet now we don't hear anything from them. Why not I wonder. Now we hear they oppose an inquiry into their own project? Is this a dictatorship council we have in place? Perhaps they are concerned about all the other issues that might be found when stones start getting overturned.. It would appear that the Labour Is Always Right (just use the initials L.I.A.R.) council are behaving like a child caught out and saying 'I didn't eat the chocolate' whilst having it all around their mouths. York Council is an embarassment to democracy, and an affront to decency. The scary thing is that the leaders appear to have all the necessary attributes to go far in their Political party. P.S. When is the Score Muppet going to start his work..... pault42
  • Score: -41

5:41pm Thu 5 Jun 14

mmarshal says...

I'msohappy.com wrote:
Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??
James: Hi Dave, they're still try to get at us with an enquiry.
Dave: Yes James, but if you read the Press, you'll see that at least I'msohappy.com is getting fed up of hearing about it. Perhaps they'll all let it drop.
James: You might be right Dave but, just in case you're not, I think I've got the solution. I'm creating a separate transport commission to look at the issue. I can steer the commission in the right direction and they'll agree that we did the right thing.
Dave: Ho James, James. You're incredibley clever.
James: I know Dave. Now wipe your tears and stop hugging me.
[quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??[/p][/quote]James: Hi Dave, they're still try to get at us with an enquiry. Dave: Yes James, but if you read the Press, you'll see that at least I'msohappy.com is getting fed up of hearing about it. Perhaps they'll all let it drop. James: You might be right Dave but, just in case you're not, I think I've got the solution. I'm creating a separate transport commission to look at the issue. I can steer the commission in the right direction and they'll agree that we did the right thing. Dave: Ho James, James. You're incredibley clever. James: I know Dave. Now wipe your tears and stop hugging me. mmarshal
  • Score: -69

5:42pm Thu 5 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

I'msohappy.com wrote:
Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??
Why? It has to be kept bubbling away until next May, we don't want people to forget this do we now!!!
[quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??[/p][/quote]Why? It has to be kept bubbling away until next May, we don't want people to forget this do we now!!! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -40

5:56pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pault42 says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Failure to have a proper inquiry will hurt Labour a lot more than if they have one.
We can only hope, I actually don't care what political group runs the council services, just one that is open, decent and honestly working for the residents of York and its visitors. And if that isn't happening the people who own the council - US - should have greater rights to remove and question the people we employ?
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: Failure to have a proper inquiry will hurt Labour a lot more than if they have one.[/p][/quote]We can only hope, I actually don't care what political group runs the council services, just one that is open, decent and honestly working for the residents of York and its visitors. And if that isn't happening the people who own the council - US - should have greater rights to remove and question the people we employ? pault42
  • Score: -42

6:08pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Ichabod76 says...

I'msohappy.com wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
I'msohappy.com wrote:
Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??
Why do you keep reading and commenting on it?
Because I can!!!
But you don't think others should ?????

You must be Labour
[quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??[/p][/quote]Why do you keep reading and commenting on it?[/p][/quote]Because I can!!![/p][/quote]But you don't think others should ????? You must be Labour Ichabod76
  • Score: -40

6:21pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Pinza-C55 says...

thinkingoutsidethebo
x
wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Yorkie41 wrote:
As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.
You're linking morality with politicians. It doesn't work.
.......we only think we live in a democracy. We are lucky compared to many others - but no not a democracy - most especially considering all the career politicians of which we have an example here in York. Not a fine example sadly. I am amazed to see how the people voted for constantly ignore the wishes of the people who voted them in and am at a loss to think how this may be resolved.
I know. I'm off to discuss this with Mr Staropramen and Mr Kronenberg. They will come up with a solution.
[quote][p][bold]thinkingoutsidethebo x[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.[/p][/quote]You're linking morality with politicians. It doesn't work.[/p][/quote].......we only think we live in a democracy. We are lucky compared to many others - but no not a democracy - most especially considering all the career politicians of which we have an example here in York. Not a fine example sadly. I am amazed to see how the people voted for constantly ignore the wishes of the people who voted them in and am at a loss to think how this may be resolved.[/p][/quote]I know. I'm off to discuss this with Mr Staropramen and Mr Kronenberg. They will come up with a solution. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -28

6:29pm Thu 5 Jun 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Well I think it has all been said from secret emails to increased pollution and congestion with no increase in traffic volume.

Just remember the man behind this since 2006, yes even when the liberals were in, has been Mr Merrett. I note the new man on the block has not had much to say and has done even less since indicating a review of traffic light timings but Mr Merrett still seems to have a hand on the tiller in his new role taking control of the local plan which appears to include? - you guessed it - traffic planning.

Good to see the real voting so far that will keep the score changing thing busy when it crawls out.
Well I think it has all been said from secret emails to increased pollution and congestion with no increase in traffic volume. Just remember the man behind this since 2006, yes even when the liberals were in, has been Mr Merrett. I note the new man on the block has not had much to say and has done even less since indicating a review of traffic light timings but Mr Merrett still seems to have a hand on the tiller in his new role taking control of the local plan which appears to include? - you guessed it - traffic planning. Good to see the real voting so far that will keep the score changing thing busy when it crawls out. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -55

6:30pm Thu 5 Jun 14

bolero says...

So comment on the latest debacle-Monk Stray hub for the T de F-has been barred. We may as well use this one. Don't they realise that it's too late now. Next years election is a foregone conclusion. I don't know which crazy gang will win but it won't be this mob.
So comment on the latest debacle-Monk Stray hub for the T de F-has been barred. We may as well use this one. Don't they realise that it's too late now. Next years election is a foregone conclusion. I don't know which crazy gang will win but it won't be this mob. bolero
  • Score: -62

6:33pm Thu 5 Jun 14

dickie bird says...

I would like to know how much taxpayers money has been lost on this 'trial'. Remember this Council increased our Council Tax by 1.9% in April because it couldn't make ends meet and, unlike many well run Councils, couldn't work out how to manage it's budget so that we wouldn't have to pay more. I'm afraid we get the calibre of Councillors that we deserve......roll on 7 May 2015!
I would like to know how much taxpayers money has been lost on this 'trial'. Remember this Council increased our Council Tax by 1.9% in April because it couldn't make ends meet and, unlike many well run Councils, couldn't work out how to manage it's budget so that we wouldn't have to pay more. I'm afraid we get the calibre of Councillors that we deserve......roll on 7 May 2015! dickie bird
  • Score: -50

6:37pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Sign 'O' The Times says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
thinkingoutsidethebo

x
wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Yorkie41 wrote:
As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.
You're linking morality with politicians. It doesn't work.
.......we only think we live in a democracy. We are lucky compared to many others - but no not a democracy - most especially considering all the career politicians of which we have an example here in York. Not a fine example sadly. I am amazed to see how the people voted for constantly ignore the wishes of the people who voted them in and am at a loss to think how this may be resolved.
I know. I'm off to discuss this with Mr Staropramen and Mr Kronenberg. They will come up with a solution.
Although the two Gentlemen you mention are an excellent idea, I fear both will only offer a temporary reprieve and not a solution. Come tomorrow, when Mr. Hangover pays a visit, the problem will still be there and will probably appear to be worse!
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinkingoutsidethebo x[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.[/p][/quote]You're linking morality with politicians. It doesn't work.[/p][/quote].......we only think we live in a democracy. We are lucky compared to many others - but no not a democracy - most especially considering all the career politicians of which we have an example here in York. Not a fine example sadly. I am amazed to see how the people voted for constantly ignore the wishes of the people who voted them in and am at a loss to think how this may be resolved.[/p][/quote]I know. I'm off to discuss this with Mr Staropramen and Mr Kronenberg. They will come up with a solution.[/p][/quote]Although the two Gentlemen you mention are an excellent idea, I fear both will only offer a temporary reprieve and not a solution. Come tomorrow, when Mr. Hangover pays a visit, the problem will still be there and will probably appear to be worse! Sign 'O' The Times
  • Score: -53

7:19pm Thu 5 Jun 14

the-e-man says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
I see the mark down idiot isn't allowed on the computer yet.
Probably still at Nursery
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: I see the mark down idiot isn't allowed on the computer yet.[/p][/quote]Probably still at Nursery the-e-man
  • Score: -34

7:31pm Thu 5 Jun 14

RoseD says...

Yes, I too had wondered where MarkDown Monkey was.... I suspect even for Markdown, this latest jape is too much to bear.....

Of COURSE Labour is opposed to an inquiry. The closure was botched; the alternatives were inadequate; the wrong bridge was closed; the fines were deemed illegal. Need I go on? Problem is, Labour's refusal to examine their errors actually makes them (if possible) appear even WORSE. C'mon, May 2015.
Yes, I too had wondered where MarkDown Monkey was.... I suspect even for Markdown, this latest jape is too much to bear..... Of COURSE Labour is opposed to an inquiry. The closure was botched; the alternatives were inadequate; the wrong bridge was closed; the fines were deemed illegal. Need I go on? Problem is, Labour's refusal to examine their errors actually makes them (if possible) appear even WORSE. C'mon, May 2015. RoseD
  • Score: -110

7:36pm Thu 5 Jun 14

RoseD says...

chunkyyorkie wrote:
Gotta laugh at Labour. They spend all their time in office targeting and victimising motorists with their policies and trying everything to make life miserable for drivers....and then come asking every household at election time for our vote, when most have at least one car! Biting the hand that feeds?
Congestion is a global problem and York's could be eased overnight if the council were genuinely interested simply by freeing up many of the roads they have closed or made exclusive for public transport use and by reinstating the layby style bus stops. Pretty much everything Labour have done in recent years actually creates congestion.
YES.

Also more buses, running more frequently, covering more areas, running til midnight. Free to York Residents, with a YorkCard.

Tiny little vans through the city centre for those of us with Blue Badges who nevertheless don't really want to play Bowling For Tourists.

Recently went to Rome and they have the tiniest little vans that manoeuvre though their Pedestrianised areas. Amora!!
[quote][p][bold]chunkyyorkie[/bold] wrote: Gotta laugh at Labour. They spend all their time in office targeting and victimising motorists with their policies and trying everything to make life miserable for drivers....and then come asking every household at election time for our vote, when most have at least one car! Biting the hand that feeds? Congestion is a global problem and York's could be eased overnight if the council were genuinely interested simply by freeing up many of the roads they have closed or made exclusive for public transport use and by reinstating the layby style bus stops. Pretty much everything Labour have done in recent years actually creates congestion.[/p][/quote]YES. Also more buses, running more frequently, covering more areas, running til midnight. Free to York Residents, with a YorkCard. Tiny little vans through the city centre for those of us with Blue Badges who nevertheless don't really want to play Bowling For Tourists. Recently went to Rome and they have the tiniest little vans that manoeuvre though their Pedestrianised areas. Amora!! RoseD
  • Score: -126

7:37pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Silver says...

dickie bird wrote:
I would like to know how much taxpayers money has been lost on this 'trial'. Remember this Council increased our Council Tax by 1.9% in April because it couldn't make ends meet and, unlike many well run Councils, couldn't work out how to manage it's budget so that we wouldn't have to pay more. I'm afraid we get the calibre of Councillors that we deserve......roll on 7 May 2015!
Because they don't know themselves yet, take in the contract that is now defunct was quite hefty for giving out fines. Whether or not they have to refund the money,replacement signage etc etc they won't really know until the court case decision is made.
[quote][p][bold]dickie bird[/bold] wrote: I would like to know how much taxpayers money has been lost on this 'trial'. Remember this Council increased our Council Tax by 1.9% in April because it couldn't make ends meet and, unlike many well run Councils, couldn't work out how to manage it's budget so that we wouldn't have to pay more. I'm afraid we get the calibre of Councillors that we deserve......roll on 7 May 2015![/p][/quote]Because they don't know themselves yet, take in the contract that is now defunct was quite hefty for giving out fines. Whether or not they have to refund the money,replacement signage etc etc they won't really know until the court case decision is made. Silver
  • Score: -142

7:51pm Thu 5 Jun 14

wimtroch says...

Typical Labour dictatorship and there are still stupid people out there that vote for this shower; go and move to Cuba i say to see the fruits of a Labour/Communist regime where the hypocritical leaders live in unbelievable luxury (a bit like Milliband); these Labour leaders could not give a flying **** about the 'Labourers', they are too concerned to keep their rich Union and banker friends happy. For those with a short memory, usually Labour friends, it was Brown who let the banks off, it was your hypocritical leader Blair who got us in an enormously costly and illegal war.
Typical Labour dictatorship and there are still stupid people out there that vote for this shower; go and move to Cuba i say to see the fruits of a Labour/Communist regime where the hypocritical leaders live in unbelievable luxury (a bit like Milliband); these Labour leaders could not give a flying **** about the 'Labourers', they are too concerned to keep their rich Union and banker friends happy. For those with a short memory, usually Labour friends, it was Brown who let the banks off, it was your hypocritical leader Blair who got us in an enormously costly and illegal war. wimtroch
  • Score: -149

7:56pm Thu 5 Jun 14

uriahh says...

I can't wait to see the "benefits" of the A59/Ring Road and Poppleton P&R schemes when, eventually, they come on stream! Should we run a sweepstake as to the average back up eastwards along the A59 at peak traffic times?
I can't wait to see the "benefits" of the A59/Ring Road and Poppleton P&R schemes when, eventually, they come on stream! Should we run a sweepstake as to the average back up eastwards along the A59 at peak traffic times? uriahh
  • Score: -107

8:06pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Jack Ham says...

An inquiry was never on the cards. James and Kersten could never have allowed the inner decision making on Lendal Bridge to be made public.

If we have a change of administration next year that may well change. Labour will only hold the reins of power for so long. Once that ends so will the secrecy.
An inquiry was never on the cards. James and Kersten could never have allowed the inner decision making on Lendal Bridge to be made public. If we have a change of administration next year that may well change. Labour will only hold the reins of power for so long. Once that ends so will the secrecy. Jack Ham
  • Score: -132

8:15pm Thu 5 Jun 14

uriahh says...

uriahh wrote:
I can't wait to see the "benefits" of the A59/Ring Road and Poppleton P&R schemes when, eventually, they come on stream! Should we run a sweepstake as to the average back up eastwards along the A59 at peak traffic times?
It should have read eastwards and westwards along the A59........
[quote][p][bold]uriahh[/bold] wrote: I can't wait to see the "benefits" of the A59/Ring Road and Poppleton P&R schemes when, eventually, they come on stream! Should we run a sweepstake as to the average back up eastwards along the A59 at peak traffic times?[/p][/quote]It should have read eastwards and westwards along the A59........ uriahh
  • Score: -89

8:37pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pedalling paul says...

I'msohappy.com wrote:
Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??
Unfortunately most of the comments are from those who believe that a Local Authority has an obligation to try and accommodate whatever level of demand exists for motor vehicle users.
That is an impossible dream for any politician, and the fast lane to eventual gridlock.
Time to remove heads from the sand, and accept that the only logical long term is do follow the overarching goal of our Local Transport Plan ie to continue to reduce car dependancy.
[quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??[/p][/quote]Unfortunately most of the comments are from those who believe that a Local Authority has an obligation to try and accommodate whatever level of demand exists for motor vehicle users. That is an impossible dream for any politician, and the fast lane to eventual gridlock. Time to remove heads from the sand, and accept that the only logical long term is do follow the overarching goal of our Local Transport Plan ie to continue to reduce car dependancy. pedalling paul
  • Score: 30

8:47pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Sign 'O' The Times says...

pedalling paul wrote:
I'msohappy.com wrote:
Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??
Unfortunately most of the comments are from those who believe that a Local Authority has an obligation to try and accommodate whatever level of demand exists for motor vehicle users.
That is an impossible dream for any politician, and the fast lane to eventual gridlock.
Time to remove heads from the sand, and accept that the only logical long term is do follow the overarching goal of our Local Transport Plan ie to continue to reduce car dependancy.
And we get this response from someone whose posts usually include " I'm not anti car, but..... And he then goes on to tell everyone why they shouldn't be using cars. At least the usual "gridlock" got it's obligatory mention. Idiot, and I don't even own a car.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??[/p][/quote]Unfortunately most of the comments are from those who believe that a Local Authority has an obligation to try and accommodate whatever level of demand exists for motor vehicle users. That is an impossible dream for any politician, and the fast lane to eventual gridlock. Time to remove heads from the sand, and accept that the only logical long term is do follow the overarching goal of our Local Transport Plan ie to continue to reduce car dependancy.[/p][/quote]And we get this response from someone whose posts usually include " I'm not anti car, but..... And he then goes on to tell everyone why they shouldn't be using cars. At least the usual "gridlock" got it's obligatory mention. Idiot, and I don't even own a car. Sign 'O' The Times
  • Score: -47

8:55pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Yorkie41 says...

Yorkie41 wrote:
As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.
How can any one have over 90 people with their thumbs up change to minus 24 in less than half an hour. Please York Press get a grip as this it has been going on far to long now.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.[/p][/quote]How can any one have over 90 people with their thumbs up change to minus 24 in less than half an hour. Please York Press get a grip as this it has been going on far to long now. Yorkie41
  • Score: -76

8:55pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Yorkie41 says...

Yorkie41 wrote:
As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.
How can any one have over 90 people with their thumbs up change to minus 24 in less than half an hour. Please York Press get a grip as this it has been going on far to long now.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.[/p][/quote]How can any one have over 90 people with their thumbs up change to minus 24 in less than half an hour. Please York Press get a grip as this it has been going on far to long now. Yorkie41
  • Score: -75

9:01pm Thu 5 Jun 14

tizme says...

The more traffic chaos there is the better the council likes it. It's called natural traffic control. When buses pull up at a bus stop with the rear end sticking out, causing other vehicles to have to stop it makes journeys longer. Closures and diversion like Lendal Bridge and Coppergate making journey times longer add to the frustration for motorists. This, the council think, will discourage motorists from entering the city. Hey Mr 'always right' Alexander. Motorists include tourists, elderly frail, disabled people, people carrying disabled passengers etc etc. I have often seen Mr Alexander walking along Holgate Road in the morning rush hour with head held high seemingly oblivious to the chaos and frustration around him. He should be ashamed of himself! Pollution is worse in the suburbs, people are having to leave home for work earlier and still arriving late for work. Give us a break and resign!! (or ask real people to advise on traffic planning). btw, I am a staunch labour man... until the next local election!!
The more traffic chaos there is the better the council likes it. It's called natural traffic control. When buses pull up at a bus stop with the rear end sticking out, causing other vehicles to have to stop it makes journeys longer. Closures and diversion like Lendal Bridge and Coppergate making journey times longer add to the frustration for motorists. This, the council think, will discourage motorists from entering the city. Hey Mr 'always right' Alexander. Motorists include tourists, elderly frail, disabled people, people carrying disabled passengers etc etc. I have often seen Mr Alexander walking along Holgate Road in the morning rush hour with head held high seemingly oblivious to the chaos and frustration around him. He should be ashamed of himself! Pollution is worse in the suburbs, people are having to leave home for work earlier and still arriving late for work. Give us a break and resign!! (or ask real people to advise on traffic planning). btw, I am a staunch labour man... until the next local election!! tizme
  • Score: -68

9:23pm Thu 5 Jun 14

bolero says...

Pedalling Paul = -25,000. How do you like it?
Pedalling Paul = -25,000. How do you like it? bolero
  • Score: -43

9:32pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pault42 says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
I see the mark down idiot isn't allowed on the computer yet.
He's arrived it would appear, maybe he gets a bonus from the council for every negative, probably paid for by the Revenue Generation Schemes they impose on us all.
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: I see the mark down idiot isn't allowed on the computer yet.[/p][/quote]He's arrived it would appear, maybe he gets a bonus from the council for every negative, probably paid for by the Revenue Generation Schemes they impose on us all. pault42
  • Score: -24

9:57pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pault42 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
I'msohappy.com wrote:
Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??
Unfortunately most of the comments are from those who believe that a Local Authority has an obligation to try and accommodate whatever level of demand exists for motor vehicle users.
That is an impossible dream for any politician, and the fast lane to eventual gridlock.
Time to remove heads from the sand, and accept that the only logical long term is do follow the overarching goal of our Local Transport Plan ie to continue to reduce car dependancy.
Here we go again. PP you have such a blinkered view of the world. York doesn't fit into your dream world of reliable Public Transport, safe streets for motorcars and bicycles, a working transport system people could use to outlying areas. Therefore PEOPLE NEED CARS. Your grandiose ideas may work elsewhere, maybe you should go and live in one of those places, and take your comrades leading YCC with you, and live happily everafter on your bike.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??[/p][/quote]Unfortunately most of the comments are from those who believe that a Local Authority has an obligation to try and accommodate whatever level of demand exists for motor vehicle users. That is an impossible dream for any politician, and the fast lane to eventual gridlock. Time to remove heads from the sand, and accept that the only logical long term is do follow the overarching goal of our Local Transport Plan ie to continue to reduce car dependancy.[/p][/quote]Here we go again. PP you have such a blinkered view of the world. York doesn't fit into your dream world of reliable Public Transport, safe streets for motorcars and bicycles, a working transport system people could use to outlying areas. Therefore PEOPLE NEED CARS. Your grandiose ideas may work elsewhere, maybe you should go and live in one of those places, and take your comrades leading YCC with you, and live happily everafter on your bike. pault42
  • Score: -4

10:30pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pedalling paul says...

pault42 wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
I'msohappy.com wrote:
Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??
Unfortunately most of the comments are from those who believe that a Local Authority has an obligation to try and accommodate whatever level of demand exists for motor vehicle users.
That is an impossible dream for any politician, and the fast lane to eventual gridlock.
Time to remove heads from the sand, and accept that the only logical long term is do follow the overarching goal of our Local Transport Plan ie to continue to reduce car dependancy.
Here we go again. PP you have such a blinkered view of the world. York doesn't fit into your dream world of reliable Public Transport, safe streets for motorcars and bicycles, a working transport system people could use to outlying areas. Therefore PEOPLE NEED CARS. Your grandiose ideas may work elsewhere, maybe you should go and live in one of those places, and take your comrades leading YCC with you, and live happily everafter on your bike.
Did I suggest that private car use should be eliminated? No I didn't. I'm an occasonal car user myself. But how do we get more reliable public transport. By reducing (not eliminating) private car use. But what will persuade more car users to switch. Better public transport maybe, including on-road priority measures. So here we have an interesting chicken and egg style conundrum.
At the end of the day, I prefer my fast lane to your fat lane................
.
[quote][p][bold]pault42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??[/p][/quote]Unfortunately most of the comments are from those who believe that a Local Authority has an obligation to try and accommodate whatever level of demand exists for motor vehicle users. That is an impossible dream for any politician, and the fast lane to eventual gridlock. Time to remove heads from the sand, and accept that the only logical long term is do follow the overarching goal of our Local Transport Plan ie to continue to reduce car dependancy.[/p][/quote]Here we go again. PP you have such a blinkered view of the world. York doesn't fit into your dream world of reliable Public Transport, safe streets for motorcars and bicycles, a working transport system people could use to outlying areas. Therefore PEOPLE NEED CARS. Your grandiose ideas may work elsewhere, maybe you should go and live in one of those places, and take your comrades leading YCC with you, and live happily everafter on your bike.[/p][/quote]Did I suggest that private car use should be eliminated? No I didn't. I'm an occasonal car user myself. But how do we get more reliable public transport. By reducing (not eliminating) private car use. But what will persuade more car users to switch. Better public transport maybe, including on-road priority measures. So here we have an interesting chicken and egg style conundrum. At the end of the day, I prefer my fast lane to your fat lane................ . pedalling paul
  • Score: 41

10:53pm Thu 5 Jun 14

pault42 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
pault42 wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
I'msohappy.com wrote:
Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??
Unfortunately most of the comments are from those who believe that a Local Authority has an obligation to try and accommodate whatever level of demand exists for motor vehicle users.
That is an impossible dream for any politician, and the fast lane to eventual gridlock.
Time to remove heads from the sand, and accept that the only logical long term is do follow the overarching goal of our Local Transport Plan ie to continue to reduce car dependancy.
Here we go again. PP you have such a blinkered view of the world. York doesn't fit into your dream world of reliable Public Transport, safe streets for motorcars and bicycles, a working transport system people could use to outlying areas. Therefore PEOPLE NEED CARS. Your grandiose ideas may work elsewhere, maybe you should go and live in one of those places, and take your comrades leading YCC with you, and live happily everafter on your bike.
Did I suggest that private car use should be eliminated? No I didn't. I'm an occasonal car user myself. But how do we get more reliable public transport. By reducing (not eliminating) private car use. But what will persuade more car users to switch. Better public transport maybe, including on-road priority measures. So here we have an interesting chicken and egg style conundrum.
At the end of the day, I prefer my fast lane to your fat lane................

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I prefer the open road, comfort and reliability of my car. I don't have anything but occasional trips into York centre, but if I do it's in my car. Why, because I can. As you can on your bicycle. I don't push for a better system for cars because I drive. I don't try to force experiments on people who don't want them. I don't whitter on constantly about wanting things improved for ME, unlike you. You believe that people should be forced off the road, the ones who actually pay something to use them. Get a grip PP. You're a minority with extremist views, the majority of right thinking people are happy with the status quo, look at the amount of negative votes the people who disagree with you get, and surely you must understand that the Score Muppet is just an idiot who cannot see that what they do is anti democracy.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pault42[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: Here we go again!!! Why oh why do The Press attach a comments section every time Lendal Bridge is mentioned? It's the same boring people offering the same boring comments......please will somebody change the record!!??[/p][/quote]Unfortunately most of the comments are from those who believe that a Local Authority has an obligation to try and accommodate whatever level of demand exists for motor vehicle users. That is an impossible dream for any politician, and the fast lane to eventual gridlock. Time to remove heads from the sand, and accept that the only logical long term is do follow the overarching goal of our Local Transport Plan ie to continue to reduce car dependancy.[/p][/quote]Here we go again. PP you have such a blinkered view of the world. York doesn't fit into your dream world of reliable Public Transport, safe streets for motorcars and bicycles, a working transport system people could use to outlying areas. Therefore PEOPLE NEED CARS. Your grandiose ideas may work elsewhere, maybe you should go and live in one of those places, and take your comrades leading YCC with you, and live happily everafter on your bike.[/p][/quote]Did I suggest that private car use should be eliminated? No I didn't. I'm an occasonal car user myself. But how do we get more reliable public transport. By reducing (not eliminating) private car use. But what will persuade more car users to switch. Better public transport maybe, including on-road priority measures. So here we have an interesting chicken and egg style conundrum. At the end of the day, I prefer my fast lane to your fat lane................ .[/p][/quote]I prefer the open road, comfort and reliability of my car. I don't have anything but occasional trips into York centre, but if I do it's in my car. Why, because I can. As you can on your bicycle. I don't push for a better system for cars because I drive. I don't try to force experiments on people who don't want them. I don't whitter on constantly about wanting things improved for ME, unlike you. You believe that people should be forced off the road, the ones who actually pay something to use them. Get a grip PP. You're a minority with extremist views, the majority of right thinking people are happy with the status quo, look at the amount of negative votes the people who disagree with you get, and surely you must understand that the Score Muppet is just an idiot who cannot see that what they do is anti democracy. pault42
  • Score: -60

12:25am Fri 6 Jun 14

RingoStarr says...

Cllr James Alexander is an inspiration to everyone. He is a wonderous leader who can only be described as a brilliant leader and would never, never allow anyone to 'mark down' comments that might infer otherwise.
Cllr James Alexander is an inspiration to everyone. He is a wonderous leader who can only be described as a brilliant leader and would never, never allow anyone to 'mark down' comments that might infer otherwise. RingoStarr
  • Score: -125

12:27am Fri 6 Jun 14

RingoStarr says...

RingoStarr wrote:
Cllr James Alexander is an inspiration to everyone. He is a wonderous leader who can only be described as a brilliant leader and would never, never allow anyone to 'mark down' comments that might infer otherwise.
What a load of ****!
[quote][p][bold]RingoStarr[/bold] wrote: Cllr James Alexander is an inspiration to everyone. He is a wonderous leader who can only be described as a brilliant leader and would never, never allow anyone to 'mark down' comments that might infer otherwise.[/p][/quote]What a load of ****! RingoStarr
  • Score: -129

5:56am Fri 6 Jun 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
thinkingoutsidethebo

x
wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Yorkie41 wrote:
As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.
You're linking morality with politicians. It doesn't work.
.......we only think we live in a democracy. We are lucky compared to many others - but no not a democracy - most especially considering all the career politicians of which we have an example here in York. Not a fine example sadly. I am amazed to see how the people voted for constantly ignore the wishes of the people who voted them in and am at a loss to think how this may be resolved.
I know. I'm off to discuss this with Mr Staropramen and Mr Kronenberg. They will come up with a solution.
Messrs Staropramen and Kronenberg will have a solution.........The
y will p"ss it all away in the same way the taxpayers money goes down the drain in this city where our council is laughably inept. In a private company there is accountability and if you are not up to the job you're on your way PDQ. Seems we need someone to oversee this lot on a permanent basis and not just this issue which appears to be getting swept away so that a couple of duds(sorry dudes) can retain their income.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinkingoutsidethebo x[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.[/p][/quote]You're linking morality with politicians. It doesn't work.[/p][/quote].......we only think we live in a democracy. We are lucky compared to many others - but no not a democracy - most especially considering all the career politicians of which we have an example here in York. Not a fine example sadly. I am amazed to see how the people voted for constantly ignore the wishes of the people who voted them in and am at a loss to think how this may be resolved.[/p][/quote]I know. I'm off to discuss this with Mr Staropramen and Mr Kronenberg. They will come up with a solution.[/p][/quote]Messrs Staropramen and Kronenberg will have a solution.........The y will p"ss it all away in the same way the taxpayers money goes down the drain in this city where our council is laughably inept. In a private company there is accountability and if you are not up to the job you're on your way PDQ. Seems we need someone to oversee this lot on a permanent basis and not just this issue which appears to be getting swept away so that a couple of duds(sorry dudes) can retain their income. thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: -65

6:24am Fri 6 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

RingoStarr wrote:
Cllr James Alexander is an inspiration to everyone. He is a wonderous leader who can only be described as a brilliant leader and would never, never allow anyone to 'mark down' comments that might infer otherwise.
Yes I agree, and in addition I think he should be mounted on top of Micklegate Bar with Merrett and England either side of him so that the three amigos can welcome visitors to the city, a fitting tribute don't you think Ringo?
[quote][p][bold]RingoStarr[/bold] wrote: Cllr James Alexander is an inspiration to everyone. He is a wonderous leader who can only be described as a brilliant leader and would never, never allow anyone to 'mark down' comments that might infer otherwise.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree, and in addition I think he should be mounted on top of Micklegate Bar with Merrett and England either side of him so that the three amigos can welcome visitors to the city, a fitting tribute don't you think Ringo? notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -96

7:52am Fri 6 Jun 14

Yorkie41 says...

Yorkie41 wrote:
Yorkie41 wrote:
As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.
How can any one have over 90 people with their thumbs up change to minus 24 in less than half an hour. Please York Press get a grip as this it has been going on far to long now.
Is pedallingpaul the only person that is right in all these comments or does it suggest he may be the one who is interfering with the comments scores.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: As a lot of Tax payers money had been put on this adventure I would have thought that they had a moral duty to have an inquiry. Is this not called democracy.[/p][/quote]How can any one have over 90 people with their thumbs up change to minus 24 in less than half an hour. Please York Press get a grip as this it has been going on far to long now.[/p][/quote]Is pedallingpaul the only person that is right in all these comments or does it suggest he may be the one who is interfering with the comments scores. Yorkie41
  • Score: -32

8:09am Fri 6 Jun 14

jay, york says...

So, pps understanding of the comments on this item is "Unfortunately most of the comments are from those who believe that a Local Authority has an obligation to try and accommodate whatever level of demand exists for motor vehicle users." (his quote)
NO pp.- most of the comments are froim those who truly believe that this labour council have a duty to represent and look after the city of York and outlying areas on a fair honest and open basis - but what we actually get is a bunch of liars and manipulators who we do not trust to run a sack race!
So, pps understanding of the comments on this item is "Unfortunately most of the comments are from those who believe that a Local Authority has an obligation to try and accommodate whatever level of demand exists for motor vehicle users." (his quote) NO pp.- most of the comments are froim those who truly believe that this labour council have a duty to represent and look after the city of York and outlying areas on a fair honest and open basis - but what we actually get is a bunch of liars and manipulators who we do not trust to run a sack race! jay, york
  • Score: -16

8:35am Fri 6 Jun 14

pedalling paul says...

Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.
Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this. pedalling paul
  • Score: 76

9:07am Fri 6 Jun 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.
Except that we know from York's figures that the numbers of cars haven't increased. But why let the facts get in the way of a good blinkered view.

Instead you can just blindly say that everyone who uses a car wants a "car drivers paradise" (whatever that is) or is fat (patronising much?)
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.[/p][/quote]Except that we know from York's figures that the numbers of cars haven't increased. But why let the facts get in the way of a good blinkered view. Instead you can just blindly say that everyone who uses a car wants a "car drivers paradise" (whatever that is) or is fat (patronising much?) AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -62

9:14am Fri 6 Jun 14

JasBro says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.
Check the Department for Transport's official traffic count figures. Despite what some would have you believe...
TRAFFIC HAS NOT INCREASED IN YORK.

Congestion has increased, and pollution has increased, but traffic levels are much the same as they were a decade ago. York's transport policies have failed miserably, yet you continue to blindly support them.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.[/p][/quote]Check the Department for Transport's official traffic count figures. Despite what some would have you believe... TRAFFIC HAS NOT INCREASED IN YORK. Congestion has increased, and pollution has increased, but traffic levels are much the same as they were a decade ago. York's transport policies have failed miserably, yet you continue to blindly support them. JasBro
  • Score: -69

9:18am Fri 6 Jun 14

JasBro says...

The people responsible for York's transport policies over the last decade should be locked up.

They constantly refer to the number of deaths caused by air pollution, then they make the problems worse.
The people responsible for York's transport policies over the last decade should be locked up. They constantly refer to the number of deaths caused by air pollution, then they make the problems worse. JasBro
  • Score: -56

9:19am Fri 6 Jun 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

JasBro wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.
Check the Department for Transport's official traffic count figures. Despite what some would have you believe...
TRAFFIC HAS NOT INCREASED IN YORK.

Congestion has increased, and pollution has increased, but traffic levels are much the same as they were a decade ago. York's transport policies have failed miserably, yet you continue to blindly support them.
Bu-bu-bu-bu-but BIKES!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.[/p][/quote]Check the Department for Transport's official traffic count figures. Despite what some would have you believe... TRAFFIC HAS NOT INCREASED IN YORK. Congestion has increased, and pollution has increased, but traffic levels are much the same as they were a decade ago. York's transport policies have failed miserably, yet you continue to blindly support them.[/p][/quote]Bu-bu-bu-bu-but BIKES!!!!!! AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -62

9:33am Fri 6 Jun 14

JasBro says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.
Unlike yourself, I don't claim to be an expert at all, but during the Lendal bridge fiasco I did a lot of reading, and it quickly became obvious that the transport policies in this city have failed.

A quick search for "get rid of traffic lights" or "shared road space" will soon show you that many other cities have been willing to face the problem and have achieved measurable success.

Of course, these solutions will not give you the cyclist's paradise you're so desperate for, but they've been proved to make life better for the vast majority.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.[/p][/quote]Unlike yourself, I don't claim to be an expert at all, but during the Lendal bridge fiasco I did a lot of reading, and it quickly became obvious that the transport policies in this city have failed. A quick search for "get rid of traffic lights" or "shared road space" will soon show you that many other cities have been willing to face the problem and have achieved measurable success. Of course, these solutions will not give you the cyclist's paradise you're so desperate for, but they've been proved to make life better for the vast majority. JasBro
  • Score: -27

9:34am Fri 6 Jun 14

JasBro says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
JasBro wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.
Check the Department for Transport's official traffic count figures. Despite what some would have you believe...
TRAFFIC HAS NOT INCREASED IN YORK.

Congestion has increased, and pollution has increased, but traffic levels are much the same as they were a decade ago. York's transport policies have failed miserably, yet you continue to blindly support them.
Bu-bu-bu-bu-but BIKES!!!!!!
:-)
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JasBro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.[/p][/quote]Check the Department for Transport's official traffic count figures. Despite what some would have you believe... TRAFFIC HAS NOT INCREASED IN YORK. Congestion has increased, and pollution has increased, but traffic levels are much the same as they were a decade ago. York's transport policies have failed miserably, yet you continue to blindly support them.[/p][/quote]Bu-bu-bu-bu-but BIKES!!!!!![/p][/quote]:-) JasBro
  • Score: -27

9:34am Fri 6 Jun 14

RingoStarr says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
RingoStarr wrote:
Cllr James Alexander is an inspiration to everyone. He is a wonderous leader who can only be described as a brilliant leader and would never, never allow anyone to 'mark down' comments that might infer otherwise.
Yes I agree, and in addition I think he should be mounted on top of Micklegate Bar with Merrett and England either side of him so that the three amigos can welcome visitors to the city, a fitting tribute don't you think Ringo?
You are SO right. A very 'fitting tribute' indeed.
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RingoStarr[/bold] wrote: Cllr James Alexander is an inspiration to everyone. He is a wonderous leader who can only be described as a brilliant leader and would never, never allow anyone to 'mark down' comments that might infer otherwise.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree, and in addition I think he should be mounted on top of Micklegate Bar with Merrett and England either side of him so that the three amigos can welcome visitors to the city, a fitting tribute don't you think Ringo?[/p][/quote]You are SO right. A very 'fitting tribute' indeed. RingoStarr
  • Score: -78

11:49am Fri 6 Jun 14

Pinza-C55 says...

RoseD wrote:
chunkyyorkie wrote:
Gotta laugh at Labour. They spend all their time in office targeting and victimising motorists with their policies and trying everything to make life miserable for drivers....and then come asking every household at election time for our vote, when most have at least one car! Biting the hand that feeds?
Congestion is a global problem and York's could be eased overnight if the council were genuinely interested simply by freeing up many of the roads they have closed or made exclusive for public transport use and by reinstating the layby style bus stops. Pretty much everything Labour have done in recent years actually creates congestion.
YES.

Also more buses, running more frequently, covering more areas, running til midnight. Free to York Residents, with a YorkCard.

Tiny little vans through the city centre for those of us with Blue Badges who nevertheless don't really want to play Bowling For Tourists.

Recently went to Rome and they have the tiniest little vans that manoeuvre though their Pedestrianised areas. Amora!!
"Recently went to Rome and they have the tiniest little vans that manoeuvre though their Pedestrianised areas. Amora!!"

If vans can drive through the streets in what sense are the streets pedestrianised?
Confused, York.
[quote][p][bold]RoseD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chunkyyorkie[/bold] wrote: Gotta laugh at Labour. They spend all their time in office targeting and victimising motorists with their policies and trying everything to make life miserable for drivers....and then come asking every household at election time for our vote, when most have at least one car! Biting the hand that feeds? Congestion is a global problem and York's could be eased overnight if the council were genuinely interested simply by freeing up many of the roads they have closed or made exclusive for public transport use and by reinstating the layby style bus stops. Pretty much everything Labour have done in recent years actually creates congestion.[/p][/quote]YES. Also more buses, running more frequently, covering more areas, running til midnight. Free to York Residents, with a YorkCard. Tiny little vans through the city centre for those of us with Blue Badges who nevertheless don't really want to play Bowling For Tourists. Recently went to Rome and they have the tiniest little vans that manoeuvre though their Pedestrianised areas. Amora!![/p][/quote]"Recently went to Rome and they have the tiniest little vans that manoeuvre though their Pedestrianised areas. Amora!!" If vans can drive through the streets in what sense are the streets pedestrianised? Confused, York. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -68

12:31pm Fri 6 Jun 14

MarkyMarkMark says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
I see the mark down idiot isn't allowed on the computer yet.
He's there now though! In spades....
Except for on the comments suggesting that the comments are unnecessary!
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: I see the mark down idiot isn't allowed on the computer yet.[/p][/quote]He's there now though! In spades.... Except for on the comments suggesting that the comments are unnecessary! MarkyMarkMark
  • Score: -54

1:09pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Bad magic says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.
I HOPE I GET BANNED FOR THIS COMMENT, BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD MEAN ONE LESS REASON TO WADE THROUGH THE CONSTANT STREAM OF SEWAGE THAT POURS FROM YOUR FINGERS. YOU ARE THE REASON THAT THE PEOPLE OF THIS TOWN DESPISE CYCLISTS. YOU ARE AN INSULT TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DO CYCLE TO WORK, AS YOU ANTAGONISE EVERY OTHER PERSON IN THE WORLD BY YOUR VERY EXISTENCE. IF THE WORD "HATE" WAS INSCRIBED ALONG MY ENTIRE CIRCULATORY SYSTEM IN LETTERS ONE ANGSROM HIGH, IT WOULD NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO EXPRESSING THE CONTEMPT I HOLD FOR YOU. YOU THINK YOU'RE FUNNY, WHEN YOU ARE BARELY COMPETENT AT TROLLING. YOU THINK YOU HAVE INSIGHT, WHEN INSTEAD YOU ARE A TEDIOUS ONE TRICK PONY. YOU THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, YET YOU REFUSE TO CONSIDER ANYONE ELSE'S POINT OF VIEW.
EVEN ENGAGING WITH YOU THIS MUCH IS GIVING ME A HEADACHE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? DEALING WITH YOU EVEN ON THIS LEVEL IS MAKING MY BRAIN HURT. I HOPE AN ALSATIAN $#!+S IN YOUR LUNGS. I HOPE YOU ARE EATEN BY CRABS. BUT ABOVE ALL, I HOPE YOU SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT YOUR SANCTIMONIOUS HOLIER THAN THOU BICYCLE EVANGELISM NO-ONE CARES. YOU ARE JUST ANTAGONISING PEOPLE AND LOWERING THE OVERALL WORTH OF THE HUMAN RACE.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.[/p][/quote]I HOPE I GET BANNED FOR THIS COMMENT, BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD MEAN ONE LESS REASON TO WADE THROUGH THE CONSTANT STREAM OF SEWAGE THAT POURS FROM YOUR FINGERS. YOU ARE THE REASON THAT THE PEOPLE OF THIS TOWN DESPISE CYCLISTS. YOU ARE AN INSULT TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DO CYCLE TO WORK, AS YOU ANTAGONISE EVERY OTHER PERSON IN THE WORLD BY YOUR VERY EXISTENCE. IF THE WORD "HATE" WAS INSCRIBED ALONG MY ENTIRE CIRCULATORY SYSTEM IN LETTERS ONE ANGSROM HIGH, IT WOULD NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO EXPRESSING THE CONTEMPT I HOLD FOR YOU. YOU THINK YOU'RE FUNNY, WHEN YOU ARE BARELY COMPETENT AT TROLLING. YOU THINK YOU HAVE INSIGHT, WHEN INSTEAD YOU ARE A TEDIOUS ONE TRICK PONY. YOU THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, YET YOU REFUSE TO CONSIDER ANYONE ELSE'S POINT OF VIEW. EVEN ENGAGING WITH YOU THIS MUCH IS GIVING ME A HEADACHE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? DEALING WITH YOU EVEN ON THIS LEVEL IS MAKING MY BRAIN HURT. I HOPE AN ALSATIAN $#!+S IN YOUR LUNGS. I HOPE YOU ARE EATEN BY CRABS. BUT ABOVE ALL, I HOPE YOU SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT YOUR SANCTIMONIOUS HOLIER THAN THOU BICYCLE EVANGELISM NO-ONE CARES. YOU ARE JUST ANTAGONISING PEOPLE AND LOWERING THE OVERALL WORTH OF THE HUMAN RACE. Bad magic
  • Score: -54

1:19pm Fri 6 Jun 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Bad Magic that post is simply priceless...

It should be kept for posterity and framed somewhere , but unfortunately yes you are right, it is going be taken down in a very short time...
Bad Magic that post is simply priceless... It should be kept for posterity and framed somewhere , but unfortunately yes you are right, it is going be taken down in a very short time... AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -68

4:54pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Cheeky face says...

Appeal should really be with us so the council can move on.

Currently no PCNs at Coppergate being issued neither.

Regarding Lendal - It is such a cost THERE MUST BE TALKS NOW. They have an obligation to let other parties and the tax payer a say on such a costly failure!

The three years leading to the trial we saw traffic light sequences in Clarence St/ Bootham/ Gillygate slowing down traffic flow. This included a period I visited Haxby rd from the station by bus twice a week. I could be beat the bus most journeys by walking ; and witnessed less congestion on the Museum St/Lendal Br section.

The cross party team should be talking NOW - NOT WAITING FOR THE APPEAL.
Appeal should really be with us so the council can move on. Currently no PCNs at Coppergate being issued neither. Regarding Lendal - It is such a cost THERE MUST BE TALKS NOW. They have an obligation to let other parties and the tax payer a say on such a costly failure! The three years leading to the trial we saw traffic light sequences in Clarence St/ Bootham/ Gillygate slowing down traffic flow. This included a period I visited Haxby rd from the station by bus twice a week. I could be beat the bus most journeys by walking ; and witnessed less congestion on the Museum St/Lendal Br section. The cross party team should be talking NOW - NOT WAITING FOR THE APPEAL. Cheeky face
  • Score: -74

5:54pm Fri 6 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.
Get the likes of you off and away from anything to do with transport for a start, then listen to those who are qualified and competent to speak on such matters, not some part time one-a-be transport expert like yourself who harps on like a stuck record!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.[/p][/quote]Get the likes of you off and away from anything to do with transport for a start, then listen to those who are qualified and competent to speak on such matters, not some part time one-a-be transport expert like yourself who harps on like a stuck record! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -60

6:05pm Fri 6 Jun 14

notpedallingpaul says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
Bad Magic that post is simply priceless...

It should be kept for posterity and framed somewhere , but unfortunately yes you are right, it is going be taken down in a very short time...
Hope it's not taken down, but pp has a skin so thick it'll just bounce off him, you can't insult him he hasn't got a brain, he's an android programmed by get york cycling, hope the elfin battery runs out soon!, stonking comment though Bad Magic.
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: Bad Magic that post is simply priceless... It should be kept for posterity and framed somewhere , but unfortunately yes you are right, it is going be taken down in a very short time...[/p][/quote]Hope it's not taken down, but pp has a skin so thick it'll just bounce off him, you can't insult him he hasn't got a brain, he's an android programmed by get york cycling, hope the elfin battery runs out soon!, stonking comment though Bad Magic. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -60

7:19pm Fri 6 Jun 14

pault42 says...

Bad magic wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.
I HOPE I GET BANNED FOR THIS COMMENT, BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD MEAN ONE LESS REASON TO WADE THROUGH THE CONSTANT STREAM OF SEWAGE THAT POURS FROM YOUR FINGERS. YOU ARE THE REASON THAT THE PEOPLE OF THIS TOWN DESPISE CYCLISTS. YOU ARE AN INSULT TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DO CYCLE TO WORK, AS YOU ANTAGONISE EVERY OTHER PERSON IN THE WORLD BY YOUR VERY EXISTENCE. IF THE WORD "HATE" WAS INSCRIBED ALONG MY ENTIRE CIRCULATORY SYSTEM IN LETTERS ONE ANGSROM HIGH, IT WOULD NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO EXPRESSING THE CONTEMPT I HOLD FOR YOU. YOU THINK YOU'RE FUNNY, WHEN YOU ARE BARELY COMPETENT AT TROLLING. YOU THINK YOU HAVE INSIGHT, WHEN INSTEAD YOU ARE A TEDIOUS ONE TRICK PONY. YOU THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, YET YOU REFUSE TO CONSIDER ANYONE ELSE'S POINT OF VIEW.
EVEN ENGAGING WITH YOU THIS MUCH IS GIVING ME A HEADACHE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? DEALING WITH YOU EVEN ON THIS LEVEL IS MAKING MY BRAIN HURT. I HOPE AN ALSATIAN $#!+S IN YOUR LUNGS. I HOPE YOU ARE EATEN BY CRABS. BUT ABOVE ALL, I HOPE YOU SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT YOUR SANCTIMONIOUS HOLIER THAN THOU BICYCLE EVANGELISM NO-ONE CARES. YOU ARE JUST ANTAGONISING PEOPLE AND LOWERING THE OVERALL WORTH OF THE HUMAN RACE.
Brilliant, WIfe and I are still chuckling, thanks.

Just wondered if anyone else noticed the following:

http://www.thesun.co
.uk/sol/homepage/vid
eo/news/4981942/Man-
filmed-having-sex-wi
th-a-bike.html

Have we found our man?
[quote][p][bold]Bad magic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Ho ho ho...I seem to have ruffled a few more feathers......! Regardless of what anyone says, it's a simple fact that no town or city in the world can continue to try to accommodate increasing demand for private car access. So what might the so called "experts" suggest we do to resolve this.[/p][/quote]I HOPE I GET BANNED FOR THIS COMMENT, BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD MEAN ONE LESS REASON TO WADE THROUGH THE CONSTANT STREAM OF SEWAGE THAT POURS FROM YOUR FINGERS. YOU ARE THE REASON THAT THE PEOPLE OF THIS TOWN DESPISE CYCLISTS. YOU ARE AN INSULT TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DO CYCLE TO WORK, AS YOU ANTAGONISE EVERY OTHER PERSON IN THE WORLD BY YOUR VERY EXISTENCE. IF THE WORD "HATE" WAS INSCRIBED ALONG MY ENTIRE CIRCULATORY SYSTEM IN LETTERS ONE ANGSROM HIGH, IT WOULD NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO EXPRESSING THE CONTEMPT I HOLD FOR YOU. YOU THINK YOU'RE FUNNY, WHEN YOU ARE BARELY COMPETENT AT TROLLING. YOU THINK YOU HAVE INSIGHT, WHEN INSTEAD YOU ARE A TEDIOUS ONE TRICK PONY. YOU THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, YET YOU REFUSE TO CONSIDER ANYONE ELSE'S POINT OF VIEW. EVEN ENGAGING WITH YOU THIS MUCH IS GIVING ME A HEADACHE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? DEALING WITH YOU EVEN ON THIS LEVEL IS MAKING MY BRAIN HURT. I HOPE AN ALSATIAN $#!+S IN YOUR LUNGS. I HOPE YOU ARE EATEN BY CRABS. BUT ABOVE ALL, I HOPE YOU SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT YOUR SANCTIMONIOUS HOLIER THAN THOU BICYCLE EVANGELISM NO-ONE CARES. YOU ARE JUST ANTAGONISING PEOPLE AND LOWERING THE OVERALL WORTH OF THE HUMAN RACE.[/p][/quote]Brilliant, WIfe and I are still chuckling, thanks. Just wondered if anyone else noticed the following: http://www.thesun.co .uk/sol/homepage/vid eo/news/4981942/Man- filmed-having-sex-wi th-a-bike.html Have we found our man? pault42
  • Score: -35

11:48am Wed 11 Jun 14

gmc_1963 says...

Here we go again
Here we go again gmc_1963
  • Score: 0

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