Emergency cash help for those hit by benefit sanctions

Cllr Dafydd Williams, cabinet member for finance and performance

Cllr Dafydd Williams, cabinet member for finance and performance

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YORK council could extend its financial help scheme to give emergency cash handouts to people hit by unfair benefit sanctions.

The proposal has emerged in a report to Cllr Dafydd Williams, the cabinet member for finance and performance, after a massive increase in the number of people turning to foodbanks for help after their benefits werew cut.

According to evidence from Advice York - part of the Citizen's Advice Bureau - the number of people seeking help after their jobseekers allowance was cut has more than doubled in a year, and some people are facing "extreme difficulty" because of the sanctions regime introduced in autumn last year.

The York Financial Assistance Scheme (YFAS) gives emergency help to people faing a disaster or a crisis, but at the moment only offers foodbank vouchers to people struggling because of benefit sanctions.

In just three months of 2013/14, YFAS gave out 24 foodbank vouchers in those circumstances, and the Advice York evidence said some sanctions are applied unfairly.

Their written submissions says: "The inappropriate or incorrect use of sanctions is causing long lasting hardship and pushing people into poverty. Foodbank vouchers, although some help, are not the solution to the problem due to their limited nature and the fact that there are other essential living costs that need to be met."

The Advice York data goes on to say: "The evidence shows that rather than encouraging clients into employment, the way sanctions are currently applied, discourages and gets in the way of people applying for jobs and can result in hardship once employment is found. Rather than incentivising employment, sanctions are debilitating it.

"Where a sanction has been given to a client that is unfair, we would recommend that YFAS supports the client until their reconsideration/appeal is complete so that residents do not face the impacts of extreme poverty Now council officials are recommending YFAS change to help people with unfair benefit sanctions while they challenge the DWP of Jobcentre decision."

Cllr Williams will decide whether to follow officials' advice and extend YFAS to help when benefit sanctions have been cut at a decision session on Thursday, May 29.

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12:55pm Sat 24 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

"YORK council could extend its financial help scheme to give emergency cash handouts to people hit by unfair benefit sanctions."

York council, where will this money come from? i pay my council tax for services! not to fund somebody on benefits, i know there are some people struggling on benefits but there are also people in work struggling to get by, BUT they tighten their belts and make ends meet! stop mollycoddling these people, stop listening to their sob stories, most of these crying to you are the ones who want a life of benefit dependency, the long term spongers (who do exist) (so apologies to the people on benefits who are trying to get by and find a job, i do know you exist and am not tarring you with the same brush!)
"YORK council could extend its financial help scheme to give emergency cash handouts to people hit by unfair benefit sanctions." York council, where will this money come from? i pay my council tax for services! not to fund somebody on benefits, i know there are some people struggling on benefits but there are also people in work struggling to get by, BUT they tighten their belts and make ends meet! stop mollycoddling these people, stop listening to their sob stories, most of these crying to you are the ones who want a life of benefit dependency, the long term spongers (who do exist) (so apologies to the people on benefits who are trying to get by and find a job, i do know you exist and am not tarring you with the same brush!) oi oi savaloy
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12:57pm Sat 24 May 14

Alf Garnett says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
"YORK council could extend its financial help scheme to give emergency cash handouts to people hit by unfair benefit sanctions."

York council, where will this money come from? i pay my council tax for services! not to fund somebody on benefits, i know there are some people struggling on benefits but there are also people in work struggling to get by, BUT they tighten their belts and make ends meet! stop mollycoddling these people, stop listening to their sob stories, most of these crying to you are the ones who want a life of benefit dependency, the long term spongers (who do exist) (so apologies to the people on benefits who are trying to get by and find a job, i do know you exist and am not tarring you with the same brush!)
Yeah, kick folk when they're down. That's life in the new Britain.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: "YORK council could extend its financial help scheme to give emergency cash handouts to people hit by unfair benefit sanctions." York council, where will this money come from? i pay my council tax for services! not to fund somebody on benefits, i know there are some people struggling on benefits but there are also people in work struggling to get by, BUT they tighten their belts and make ends meet! stop mollycoddling these people, stop listening to their sob stories, most of these crying to you are the ones who want a life of benefit dependency, the long term spongers (who do exist) (so apologies to the people on benefits who are trying to get by and find a job, i do know you exist and am not tarring you with the same brush!)[/p][/quote]Yeah, kick folk when they're down. That's life in the new Britain. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 32

12:59pm Sat 24 May 14

CHISSY1 says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
"YORK council could extend its financial help scheme to give emergency cash handouts to people hit by unfair benefit sanctions."

York council, where will this money come from? i pay my council tax for services! not to fund somebody on benefits, i know there are some people struggling on benefits but there are also people in work struggling to get by, BUT they tighten their belts and make ends meet! stop mollycoddling these people, stop listening to their sob stories, most of these crying to you are the ones who want a life of benefit dependency, the long term spongers (who do exist) (so apologies to the people on benefits who are trying to get by and find a job, i do know you exist and am not tarring you with the same brush!)
I could not agree more.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: "YORK council could extend its financial help scheme to give emergency cash handouts to people hit by unfair benefit sanctions." York council, where will this money come from? i pay my council tax for services! not to fund somebody on benefits, i know there are some people struggling on benefits but there are also people in work struggling to get by, BUT they tighten their belts and make ends meet! stop mollycoddling these people, stop listening to their sob stories, most of these crying to you are the ones who want a life of benefit dependency, the long term spongers (who do exist) (so apologies to the people on benefits who are trying to get by and find a job, i do know you exist and am not tarring you with the same brush!)[/p][/quote]I could not agree more. CHISSY1
  • Score: -111

1:00pm Sat 24 May 14

andy fowler says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
"YORK council could extend its financial help scheme to give emergency cash handouts to people hit by unfair benefit sanctions."

York council, where will this money come from? i pay my council tax for services! not to fund somebody on benefits, i know there are some people struggling on benefits but there are also people in work struggling to get by, BUT they tighten their belts and make ends meet! stop mollycoddling these people, stop listening to their sob stories, most of these crying to you are the ones who want a life of benefit dependency, the long term spongers (who do exist) (so apologies to the people on benefits who are trying to get by and find a job, i do know you exist and am not tarring you with the same brush!)
Too right, Alexander now claiming to be an alchemist as well as God!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: "YORK council could extend its financial help scheme to give emergency cash handouts to people hit by unfair benefit sanctions." York council, where will this money come from? i pay my council tax for services! not to fund somebody on benefits, i know there are some people struggling on benefits but there are also people in work struggling to get by, BUT they tighten their belts and make ends meet! stop mollycoddling these people, stop listening to their sob stories, most of these crying to you are the ones who want a life of benefit dependency, the long term spongers (who do exist) (so apologies to the people on benefits who are trying to get by and find a job, i do know you exist and am not tarring you with the same brush!)[/p][/quote]Too right, Alexander now claiming to be an alchemist as well as God!!!!! andy fowler
  • Score: -95

1:03pm Sat 24 May 14

CHISSY1 says...

Alf Garnett wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
"YORK council could extend its financial help scheme to give emergency cash handouts to people hit by unfair benefit sanctions."

York council, where will this money come from? i pay my council tax for services! not to fund somebody on benefits, i know there are some people struggling on benefits but there are also people in work struggling to get by, BUT they tighten their belts and make ends meet! stop mollycoddling these people, stop listening to their sob stories, most of these crying to you are the ones who want a life of benefit dependency, the long term spongers (who do exist) (so apologies to the people on benefits who are trying to get by and find a job, i do know you exist and am not tarring you with the same brush!)
Yeah, kick folk when they're down. That's life in the new Britain.
Yes down,sat down doing nothing but sponge off the state.
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: "YORK council could extend its financial help scheme to give emergency cash handouts to people hit by unfair benefit sanctions." York council, where will this money come from? i pay my council tax for services! not to fund somebody on benefits, i know there are some people struggling on benefits but there are also people in work struggling to get by, BUT they tighten their belts and make ends meet! stop mollycoddling these people, stop listening to their sob stories, most of these crying to you are the ones who want a life of benefit dependency, the long term spongers (who do exist) (so apologies to the people on benefits who are trying to get by and find a job, i do know you exist and am not tarring you with the same brush!)[/p][/quote]Yeah, kick folk when they're down. That's life in the new Britain.[/p][/quote]Yes down,sat down doing nothing but sponge off the state. CHISSY1
  • Score: -120

1:26pm Sat 24 May 14

dannyemmess says...

Where do I apply for a handout? I work full time but am desperate for my sitting room to be replastered and I just can't afford it, even on a full time wage....
Where do I apply for a handout? I work full time but am desperate for my sitting room to be replastered and I just can't afford it, even on a full time wage.... dannyemmess
  • Score: -96

1:32pm Sat 24 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Alf Garnett wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
"YORK council could extend its financial help scheme to give emergency cash handouts to people hit by unfair benefit sanctions."

York council, where will this money come from? i pay my council tax for services! not to fund somebody on benefits, i know there are some people struggling on benefits but there are also people in work struggling to get by, BUT they tighten their belts and make ends meet! stop mollycoddling these people, stop listening to their sob stories, most of these crying to you are the ones who want a life of benefit dependency, the long term spongers (who do exist) (so apologies to the people on benefits who are trying to get by and find a job, i do know you exist and am not tarring you with the same brush!)
Yeah, kick folk when they're down. That's life in the new Britain.
move along idiot, i'm not kicking the ones that are down i'm kicking the long term spongers that want a life on benefits, the ones pumping out kids for benefits! AND YES they do exist!

go back and re read my last line in the post...
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: "YORK council could extend its financial help scheme to give emergency cash handouts to people hit by unfair benefit sanctions." York council, where will this money come from? i pay my council tax for services! not to fund somebody on benefits, i know there are some people struggling on benefits but there are also people in work struggling to get by, BUT they tighten their belts and make ends meet! stop mollycoddling these people, stop listening to their sob stories, most of these crying to you are the ones who want a life of benefit dependency, the long term spongers (who do exist) (so apologies to the people on benefits who are trying to get by and find a job, i do know you exist and am not tarring you with the same brush!)[/p][/quote]Yeah, kick folk when they're down. That's life in the new Britain.[/p][/quote]move along idiot, i'm not kicking the ones that are down i'm kicking the long term spongers that want a life on benefits, the ones pumping out kids for benefits! AND YES they do exist! go back and re read my last line in the post... oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -100

1:44pm Sat 24 May 14

Jazbee says...

Yes I totally agree with these comments so why all the negative votes !
Yes I totally agree with these comments so why all the negative votes ! Jazbee
  • Score: -96

2:24pm Sat 24 May 14

Thecynic says...

Have any of you, whose opinions are that all unemployed jobseekers are lazy scroungers, actually got any proof of that? or are you just easily led into a popularist view to pick on those more unfortunate than yourselves, as it's an easy comment to make and no actual evidence is required to back up your views?
It seems to be unfortunate that some people are so blinkered in life, that even when independent evidence is submitted to support the fact that there are in fact far more cases of genuine hardship then not, they bury their heads in the sand and hide behind their views and totally ignore the facts, carrying on trying to justify their sad little popularist comments.
This in turn does more harm to the self esteem of the genuine person who is looking for work, in fact more harm can be done by the use of 'snide' comments from the general public than from the jobcenter plus itself! (and they are bad enough)
As someone who has been on both sides of the fence in my time, I am well qualified to post. I worked solidly for 31 years of my life, then had the misfortune to be made unemployed for 3 years, those 3 years were the worst of my life. It's bad enough having to feel and be treat like you are a second class citizen when you attend the jobcenter, then feeling like you are totally worthless when you submit (in my case) over 1000 applications for jobs, and only around 5 or 6 of those firms can be bothered or have the decency to either reply or acknowledge your application. Then to have so called 'Armchair experts' come on to sites like this and profess that every unemployed person is a good for nothing lazy scrounger, just does not help or encourage anyone to try and better themselves. In fact probably the opposite is true, it's no wonder that some of these people turn to crime, they feel that everyone and everything is against them.
For pity's sake, try to have some understanding about a subject before opening your mouths. I can tell you it is not easy living on benefits, luckily I don't have to now, but I know and understand just how hard it is.
Yes I know that there are some who take advantage, there are also politicians who take advantage, bankers, workers et al. But do you tar them all with the same brush? if not? why not? after all they scrounge too!
Have any of you, whose opinions are that all unemployed jobseekers are lazy scroungers, actually got any proof of that? or are you just easily led into a popularist view to pick on those more unfortunate than yourselves, as it's an easy comment to make and no actual evidence is required to back up your views? It seems to be unfortunate that some people are so blinkered in life, that even when independent evidence is submitted to support the fact that there are in fact far more cases of genuine hardship then not, they bury their heads in the sand and hide behind their views and totally ignore the facts, carrying on trying to justify their sad little popularist comments. This in turn does more harm to the self esteem of the genuine person who is looking for work, in fact more harm can be done by the use of 'snide' comments from the general public than from the jobcenter plus itself! (and they are bad enough) As someone who has been on both sides of the fence in my time, I am well qualified to post. I worked solidly for 31 years of my life, then had the misfortune to be made unemployed for 3 years, those 3 years were the worst of my life. It's bad enough having to feel and be treat like you are a second class citizen when you attend the jobcenter, then feeling like you are totally worthless when you submit (in my case) over 1000 applications for jobs, and only around 5 or 6 of those firms can be bothered or have the decency to either reply or acknowledge your application. Then to have so called 'Armchair experts' come on to sites like this and profess that every unemployed person is a good for nothing lazy scrounger, just does not help or encourage anyone to try and better themselves. In fact probably the opposite is true, it's no wonder that some of these people turn to crime, they feel that everyone and everything is against them. For pity's sake, try to have some understanding about a subject before opening your mouths. I can tell you it is not easy living on benefits, luckily I don't have to now, but I know and understand just how hard it is. Yes I know that there are some who take advantage, there are also politicians who take advantage, bankers, workers et al. But do you tar them all with the same brush? if not? why not? after all they scrounge too! Thecynic
  • Score: 29

4:46pm Sat 24 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Thecynic wrote:
Have any of you, whose opinions are that all unemployed jobseekers are lazy scroungers, actually got any proof of that? or are you just easily led into a popularist view to pick on those more unfortunate than yourselves, as it's an easy comment to make and no actual evidence is required to back up your views?
It seems to be unfortunate that some people are so blinkered in life, that even when independent evidence is submitted to support the fact that there are in fact far more cases of genuine hardship then not, they bury their heads in the sand and hide behind their views and totally ignore the facts, carrying on trying to justify their sad little popularist comments.
This in turn does more harm to the self esteem of the genuine person who is looking for work, in fact more harm can be done by the use of 'snide' comments from the general public than from the jobcenter plus itself! (and they are bad enough)
As someone who has been on both sides of the fence in my time, I am well qualified to post. I worked solidly for 31 years of my life, then had the misfortune to be made unemployed for 3 years, those 3 years were the worst of my life. It's bad enough having to feel and be treat like you are a second class citizen when you attend the jobcenter, then feeling like you are totally worthless when you submit (in my case) over 1000 applications for jobs, and only around 5 or 6 of those firms can be bothered or have the decency to either reply or acknowledge your application. Then to have so called 'Armchair experts' come on to sites like this and profess that every unemployed person is a good for nothing lazy scrounger, just does not help or encourage anyone to try and better themselves. In fact probably the opposite is true, it's no wonder that some of these people turn to crime, they feel that everyone and everything is against them.
For pity's sake, try to have some understanding about a subject before opening your mouths. I can tell you it is not easy living on benefits, luckily I don't have to now, but I know and understand just how hard it is.
Yes I know that there are some who take advantage, there are also politicians who take advantage, bankers, workers et al. But do you tar them all with the same brush? if not? why not? after all they scrounge too!
again, go back and re read my last line! not all people on benefits are scroungers, we know that BUT at the same time we know that there are long term 'jeremy kyle' type spongers out there, i myself have been made redundant 3 times in the past, but i dusted myself off and got back out there, never claimed benefits in 37 years of working (other than child benefit), I'm sick to death of sob stories from people and then I'm sick to death of reading claptrap like yours where you think we people who go on about benefit spongers are tarring everybody on benefits with the same brush, how hard up was mike philpott? how hard up was karen matthews? how hard up is "white dee" how hard up was the heroin dealer on burton stone lane the other week? give it a rest will ya, the tides are turning and the people of the UK are not gonna put up with this **** anymore!! roll on the elections next year xx
[quote][p][bold]Thecynic[/bold] wrote: Have any of you, whose opinions are that all unemployed jobseekers are lazy scroungers, actually got any proof of that? or are you just easily led into a popularist view to pick on those more unfortunate than yourselves, as it's an easy comment to make and no actual evidence is required to back up your views? It seems to be unfortunate that some people are so blinkered in life, that even when independent evidence is submitted to support the fact that there are in fact far more cases of genuine hardship then not, they bury their heads in the sand and hide behind their views and totally ignore the facts, carrying on trying to justify their sad little popularist comments. This in turn does more harm to the self esteem of the genuine person who is looking for work, in fact more harm can be done by the use of 'snide' comments from the general public than from the jobcenter plus itself! (and they are bad enough) As someone who has been on both sides of the fence in my time, I am well qualified to post. I worked solidly for 31 years of my life, then had the misfortune to be made unemployed for 3 years, those 3 years were the worst of my life. It's bad enough having to feel and be treat like you are a second class citizen when you attend the jobcenter, then feeling like you are totally worthless when you submit (in my case) over 1000 applications for jobs, and only around 5 or 6 of those firms can be bothered or have the decency to either reply or acknowledge your application. Then to have so called 'Armchair experts' come on to sites like this and profess that every unemployed person is a good for nothing lazy scrounger, just does not help or encourage anyone to try and better themselves. In fact probably the opposite is true, it's no wonder that some of these people turn to crime, they feel that everyone and everything is against them. For pity's sake, try to have some understanding about a subject before opening your mouths. I can tell you it is not easy living on benefits, luckily I don't have to now, but I know and understand just how hard it is. Yes I know that there are some who take advantage, there are also politicians who take advantage, bankers, workers et al. But do you tar them all with the same brush? if not? why not? after all they scrounge too![/p][/quote]again, go back and re read my last line! not all people on benefits are scroungers, we know that BUT at the same time we know that there are long term 'jeremy kyle' type spongers out there, i myself have been made redundant 3 times in the past, but i dusted myself off and got back out there, never claimed benefits in 37 years of working (other than child benefit), I'm sick to death of sob stories from people and then I'm sick to death of reading claptrap like yours where you think we people who go on about benefit spongers are tarring everybody on benefits with the same brush, how hard up was mike philpott? how hard up was karen matthews? how hard up is "white dee" how hard up was the heroin dealer on burton stone lane the other week? give it a rest will ya, the tides are turning and the people of the UK are not gonna put up with this **** anymore!! roll on the elections next year xx oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -25

5:01pm Sat 24 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Isn't this the Labour-run council keeping the political argument against welfare reform (benefits cuts) in the local news?

Where is the detailed data to support the claims,
"....a massive increase in the number of people turning to foodbanks..."
and,
".....the number of people seeking help after their jobseekers allowance was cut has more than doubled in a year"
What are the actual numbers?
The absence of detail suggests that it is being witheld because it weakens the argument.

On the one hand, we have Coun Alexander constantly tweeting about York's improving employment statistics, and low unemployment, with no credit to the government for the improving economy, then attacks over the 'massive' increases in foodbanks etc blaming the government.

They (Labour) can't have it both ways - show us the actual numbers to back up these claims....
Isn't this the Labour-run council keeping the political argument against welfare reform (benefits cuts) in the local news? Where is the detailed data to support the claims, "....a massive increase in the number of people turning to foodbanks..." and, ".....the number of people seeking help after their jobseekers allowance was cut has more than doubled in a year" What are the actual numbers? The absence of detail suggests that it is being witheld because it weakens the argument. On the one hand, we have Coun Alexander constantly tweeting about York's improving employment statistics, and low unemployment, with no credit to the government for the improving economy, then attacks over the 'massive' increases in foodbanks etc blaming the government. They (Labour) can't have it both ways - show us the actual numbers to back up these claims.... Badgers Drift
  • Score: -42

5:21pm Sat 24 May 14

ReginaldBiscuit says...

By Thor! There are some right UKIP voters on here today. The ill-educated, the intolerant, the bitter.

Most people on benefits aren't there because they want to be, they're there because of circumstance. Before some little Englander gets vitriolic and starts spouting nonsense about the cost, examine the treasury spending and breakdown for 2012/13 (it's on the internet), Keeping people alive on benefits is paltry compared to some of the other Sucubus-like Behemoths that drain your elected government.

The poor will eat the rich, they always do.
By Thor! There are some right UKIP voters on here today. The ill-educated, the intolerant, the bitter. Most people on benefits aren't there because they want to be, they're there because of circumstance. Before some little Englander gets vitriolic and starts spouting nonsense about the cost, examine the treasury spending and breakdown for 2012/13 (it's on the internet), Keeping people alive on benefits is paltry compared to some of the other Sucubus-like Behemoths that drain your elected government. The poor will eat the rich, they always do. ReginaldBiscuit
  • Score: 35

6:45pm Sat 24 May 14

Jack Ham says...

York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power.

Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda.

I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?
York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power. Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda. I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding? Jack Ham
  • Score: -64

6:45pm Sat 24 May 14

Jack Ham says...

York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power.

Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda.

I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?
York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power. Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda. I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding? Jack Ham
  • Score: -67

6:52pm Sat 24 May 14

inthesticks says...

Jack Ham wrote:
York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power.

Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda.

I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?
That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power. Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda. I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?[/p][/quote]That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not. inthesticks
  • Score: 64

7:08pm Sat 24 May 14

Jack Ham says...

inthesticks wrote:
Jack Ham wrote:
York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power.

Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda.

I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?
That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not.
Are you sure it's irrelevant?

York CAB repeatedly pump out anti-government propaganda. Have they ever said anything positive about the government? It seems to me that any organisation that supports a particular political viewpoint, and receives public funding, should be open to public scrutiny.

Is this ever declared? Was it declared during the Fairness Commission, I'm funding applications, scrutiny topics? I don't know but it does make me wonder.
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power. Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda. I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?[/p][/quote]That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not.[/p][/quote]Are you sure it's irrelevant? York CAB repeatedly pump out anti-government propaganda. Have they ever said anything positive about the government? It seems to me that any organisation that supports a particular political viewpoint, and receives public funding, should be open to public scrutiny. Is this ever declared? Was it declared during the Fairness Commission, I'm funding applications, scrutiny topics? I don't know but it does make me wonder. Jack Ham
  • Score: -90

7:12pm Sat 24 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Jack Ham wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Jack Ham wrote:
York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power.

Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda.

I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?
That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not.
Are you sure it's irrelevant?

York CAB repeatedly pump out anti-government propaganda. Have they ever said anything positive about the government? It seems to me that any organisation that supports a particular political viewpoint, and receives public funding, should be open to public scrutiny.

Is this ever declared? Was it declared during the Fairness Commission, I'm funding applications, scrutiny topics? I don't know but it does make me wonder.
richard bridge who is always ranting on about the nasty tories is also a cab employee and he is also a fully fledged labour supporter
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power. Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda. I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?[/p][/quote]That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not.[/p][/quote]Are you sure it's irrelevant? York CAB repeatedly pump out anti-government propaganda. Have they ever said anything positive about the government? It seems to me that any organisation that supports a particular political viewpoint, and receives public funding, should be open to public scrutiny. Is this ever declared? Was it declared during the Fairness Commission, I'm funding applications, scrutiny topics? I don't know but it does make me wonder.[/p][/quote]richard bridge who is always ranting on about the nasty tories is also a cab employee and he is also a fully fledged labour supporter oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -29

7:36pm Sat 24 May 14

inthesticks says...

Jack Ham wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Jack Ham wrote:
York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power.

Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda.

I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?
That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not.
Are you sure it's irrelevant?

York CAB repeatedly pump out anti-government propaganda. Have they ever said anything positive about the government? It seems to me that any organisation that supports a particular political viewpoint, and receives public funding, should be open to public scrutiny.

Is this ever declared? Was it declared during the Fairness Commission, I'm funding applications, scrutiny topics? I don't know but it does make me wonder.
I think it is fully open to public scrutiny. This shows that funding from the council has decreased and lottery funding increased.
I think knocking them is diverting from the real menace that causes the hardship, government policy.
http://www.yorkcab.o
rg.uk/final%20accoun
ts%202013.pdf
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power. Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda. I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?[/p][/quote]That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not.[/p][/quote]Are you sure it's irrelevant? York CAB repeatedly pump out anti-government propaganda. Have they ever said anything positive about the government? It seems to me that any organisation that supports a particular political viewpoint, and receives public funding, should be open to public scrutiny. Is this ever declared? Was it declared during the Fairness Commission, I'm funding applications, scrutiny topics? I don't know but it does make me wonder.[/p][/quote]I think it is fully open to public scrutiny. This shows that funding from the council has decreased and lottery funding increased. I think knocking them is diverting from the real menace that causes the hardship, government policy. http://www.yorkcab.o rg.uk/final%20accoun ts%202013.pdf inthesticks
  • Score: 27

7:37pm Sat 24 May 14

inthesticks says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
Jack Ham wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Jack Ham wrote:
York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power.

Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda.

I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?
That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not.
Are you sure it's irrelevant?

York CAB repeatedly pump out anti-government propaganda. Have they ever said anything positive about the government? It seems to me that any organisation that supports a particular political viewpoint, and receives public funding, should be open to public scrutiny.

Is this ever declared? Was it declared during the Fairness Commission, I'm funding applications, scrutiny topics? I don't know but it does make me wonder.
richard bridge who is always ranting on about the nasty tories is also a cab employee and he is also a fully fledged labour supporter
And?
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power. Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda. I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?[/p][/quote]That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not.[/p][/quote]Are you sure it's irrelevant? York CAB repeatedly pump out anti-government propaganda. Have they ever said anything positive about the government? It seems to me that any organisation that supports a particular political viewpoint, and receives public funding, should be open to public scrutiny. Is this ever declared? Was it declared during the Fairness Commission, I'm funding applications, scrutiny topics? I don't know but it does make me wonder.[/p][/quote]richard bridge who is always ranting on about the nasty tories is also a cab employee and he is also a fully fledged labour supporter[/p][/quote]And? inthesticks
  • Score: 44

7:41pm Sat 24 May 14

Jack Ham says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
Jack Ham wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Jack Ham wrote:
York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power.

Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda.

I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?
That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not.
Are you sure it's irrelevant?

York CAB repeatedly pump out anti-government propaganda. Have they ever said anything positive about the government? It seems to me that any organisation that supports a particular political viewpoint, and receives public funding, should be open to public scrutiny.

Is this ever declared? Was it declared during the Fairness Commission, I'm funding applications, scrutiny topics? I don't know but it does make me wonder.
richard bridge who is always ranting on about the nasty tories is also a cab employee and he is also a fully fledged labour supporter
Citizens Advice, like many charities was set up with noble purpose to meet an important need.

Sadly charities are easily infiltrated and used as political pawns.

York CAB is a good example.

For those interested, it might also be worth looking at the relationship between the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, it's Chief Executive, Julia Unwin and her husband, who I believe is the chair of the local Labour Party.

How often are these conflicts publicly declared?
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power. Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda. I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?[/p][/quote]That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not.[/p][/quote]Are you sure it's irrelevant? York CAB repeatedly pump out anti-government propaganda. Have they ever said anything positive about the government? It seems to me that any organisation that supports a particular political viewpoint, and receives public funding, should be open to public scrutiny. Is this ever declared? Was it declared during the Fairness Commission, I'm funding applications, scrutiny topics? I don't know but it does make me wonder.[/p][/quote]richard bridge who is always ranting on about the nasty tories is also a cab employee and he is also a fully fledged labour supporter[/p][/quote]Citizens Advice, like many charities was set up with noble purpose to meet an important need. Sadly charities are easily infiltrated and used as political pawns. York CAB is a good example. For those interested, it might also be worth looking at the relationship between the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, it's Chief Executive, Julia Unwin and her husband, who I believe is the chair of the local Labour Party. How often are these conflicts publicly declared? Jack Ham
  • Score: -38

8:39pm Sat 24 May 14

Y.I.P. says...

Stop benefits stop bonuses and get folk back to work,and by the way when I got my first council house in 1967 didn't expect any housing benefit to help me,plenty of work around people, but not worth working if you get more on the dole,
Stop benefits stop bonuses and get folk back to work,and by the way when I got my first council house in 1967 didn't expect any housing benefit to help me,plenty of work around people, but not worth working if you get more on the dole, Y.I.P.
  • Score: -44

10:36pm Sat 24 May 14

Dark Rogue says...

I work on the side of the fence that does apply benefit sanctions to people. Unfortunately, certain people on benefits do not take responsibility for their actions and do get their benefits stopped due to them not following their requirements for claiming Job Seekers Allowance.

If the council continues to provide support measures to people who won't take responsibility for their actions, then certain people who are been sanctioned will not develop the awareness needed to move on in life.

I do not take any satisfaction in applying sanctions to peoples benefits and I have suffered periods of unemployment. However, we have a society with people who don't want to follow the regulations and therefore get sanctioned and still expect support from the state. At what point do we have to say enough is enough?
I work on the side of the fence that does apply benefit sanctions to people. Unfortunately, certain people on benefits do not take responsibility for their actions and do get their benefits stopped due to them not following their requirements for claiming Job Seekers Allowance. If the council continues to provide support measures to people who won't take responsibility for their actions, then certain people who are been sanctioned will not develop the awareness needed to move on in life. I do not take any satisfaction in applying sanctions to peoples benefits and I have suffered periods of unemployment. However, we have a society with people who don't want to follow the regulations and therefore get sanctioned and still expect support from the state. At what point do we have to say enough is enough? Dark Rogue
  • Score: 9

10:49pm Sat 24 May 14

Magicman! says...

Thecynic wrote:
Have any of you, whose opinions are that all unemployed jobseekers are lazy scroungers, actually got any proof of that? or are you just easily led into a popularist view to pick on those more unfortunate than yourselves, as it's an easy comment to make and no actual evidence is required to back up your views?
It seems to be unfortunate that some people are so blinkered in life, that even when independent evidence is submitted to support the fact that there are in fact far more cases of genuine hardship then not, they bury their heads in the sand and hide behind their views and totally ignore the facts, carrying on trying to justify their sad little popularist comments.
This in turn does more harm to the self esteem of the genuine person who is looking for work, in fact more harm can be done by the use of 'snide' comments from the general public than from the jobcenter plus itself! (and they are bad enough)
As someone who has been on both sides of the fence in my time, I am well qualified to post. I worked solidly for 31 years of my life, then had the misfortune to be made unemployed for 3 years, those 3 years were the worst of my life. It's bad enough having to feel and be treat like you are a second class citizen when you attend the jobcenter, then feeling like you are totally worthless when you submit (in my case) over 1000 applications for jobs, and only around 5 or 6 of those firms can be bothered or have the decency to either reply or acknowledge your application. Then to have so called 'Armchair experts' come on to sites like this and profess that every unemployed person is a good for nothing lazy scrounger, just does not help or encourage anyone to try and better themselves. In fact probably the opposite is true, it's no wonder that some of these people turn to crime, they feel that everyone and everything is against them.
For pity's sake, try to have some understanding about a subject before opening your mouths. I can tell you it is not easy living on benefits, luckily I don't have to now, but I know and understand just how hard it is.
Yes I know that there are some who take advantage, there are also politicians who take advantage, bankers, workers et al. But do you tar them all with the same brush? if not? why not? after all they scrounge too!
Simple reason, they are likely readers of papers such as the Daily Wail and The Scum, propoganda drivel churned out by government-loving media outlets who spin out drivel aimed at the intellectually weak and those too small-minded to realise they are being brainwashed. After all, if the general public starts attacking the poor and the diabled and those who do need benefits, then those people will applaud the govenment when those benefits are removed - not realising that the money no longer going on benefits has gone in backhanders to corporations and to themselves through bulked-up expenses claims and tax breaks for millionaires.
[quote][p][bold]Thecynic[/bold] wrote: Have any of you, whose opinions are that all unemployed jobseekers are lazy scroungers, actually got any proof of that? or are you just easily led into a popularist view to pick on those more unfortunate than yourselves, as it's an easy comment to make and no actual evidence is required to back up your views? It seems to be unfortunate that some people are so blinkered in life, that even when independent evidence is submitted to support the fact that there are in fact far more cases of genuine hardship then not, they bury their heads in the sand and hide behind their views and totally ignore the facts, carrying on trying to justify their sad little popularist comments. This in turn does more harm to the self esteem of the genuine person who is looking for work, in fact more harm can be done by the use of 'snide' comments from the general public than from the jobcenter plus itself! (and they are bad enough) As someone who has been on both sides of the fence in my time, I am well qualified to post. I worked solidly for 31 years of my life, then had the misfortune to be made unemployed for 3 years, those 3 years were the worst of my life. It's bad enough having to feel and be treat like you are a second class citizen when you attend the jobcenter, then feeling like you are totally worthless when you submit (in my case) over 1000 applications for jobs, and only around 5 or 6 of those firms can be bothered or have the decency to either reply or acknowledge your application. Then to have so called 'Armchair experts' come on to sites like this and profess that every unemployed person is a good for nothing lazy scrounger, just does not help or encourage anyone to try and better themselves. In fact probably the opposite is true, it's no wonder that some of these people turn to crime, they feel that everyone and everything is against them. For pity's sake, try to have some understanding about a subject before opening your mouths. I can tell you it is not easy living on benefits, luckily I don't have to now, but I know and understand just how hard it is. Yes I know that there are some who take advantage, there are also politicians who take advantage, bankers, workers et al. But do you tar them all with the same brush? if not? why not? after all they scrounge too![/p][/quote]Simple reason, they are likely readers of papers such as the Daily Wail and The Scum, propoganda drivel churned out by government-loving media outlets who spin out drivel aimed at the intellectually weak and those too small-minded to realise they are being brainwashed. After all, if the general public starts attacking the poor and the diabled and those who do need benefits, then those people will applaud the govenment when those benefits are removed - not realising that the money no longer going on benefits has gone in backhanders to corporations and to themselves through bulked-up expenses claims and tax breaks for millionaires. Magicman!
  • Score: 19

10:55pm Sat 24 May 14

Magicman! says...

The Advice York data goes on to say: "The evidence shows that rather than encouraging clients into employment, the way sanctions are currently applied, discourages and gets in the way of people applying for jobs and can result in hardship once employment is found. Rather than incentivising employment, sanctions are debilitating it.

This is true... on Jobseekers allowance, you cannot go into voluntary work - as ou are then seen as 'not available for work' and so are sanctioned; you cannot go with your family on holiday, even in the UK, without closing your benefits claim, even if you're only away for a long weekend, because over that time you're 'not available for work'; if you get a temporary job, you are still at risk of being sanctioned because they don't class getting a temporary job as 'finding employment' - plus if you do get a temp job that only lasts a couple of weeks, the amount of paperwork you have to go through to keep everything nice and legal takes several weeks to go through, and you'll still end up chasing money you're owed; you can't go and do 'odd jobs' for family friends, even if unpaid, because rather than the jobcentre seeing that as gaining work-related experience, they class it as fraudently claiming benefits even if the work was completely unpaid.

Too much stick and not enough carrot - but that's just how the Tories like it.
[quote]The Advice York data goes on to say: "The evidence shows that rather than encouraging clients into employment, the way sanctions are currently applied, discourages and gets in the way of people applying for jobs and can result in hardship once employment is found. Rather than incentivising employment, sanctions are debilitating it. [/quote] This is true... on Jobseekers allowance, you cannot go into voluntary work - as ou are then seen as 'not available for work' and so are sanctioned; you cannot go with your family on holiday, even in the UK, without closing your benefits claim, even if you're only away for a long weekend, because over that time you're 'not available for work'; if you get a temporary job, you are still at risk of being sanctioned because they don't class getting a temporary job as 'finding employment' - plus if you do get a temp job that only lasts a couple of weeks, the amount of paperwork you have to go through to keep everything nice and legal takes several weeks to go through, and you'll still end up chasing money you're owed; you can't go and do 'odd jobs' for family friends, even if unpaid, because rather than the jobcentre seeing that as gaining work-related experience, they class it as fraudently claiming benefits even if the work was completely unpaid. Too much stick and not enough carrot - but that's just how the Tories like it. Magicman!
  • Score: 17

8:48am Sun 25 May 14

inthesticks says...

Dark Rogue wrote:
I work on the side of the fence that does apply benefit sanctions to people. Unfortunately, certain people on benefits do not take responsibility for their actions and do get their benefits stopped due to them not following their requirements for claiming Job Seekers Allowance.

If the council continues to provide support measures to people who won't take responsibility for their actions, then certain people who are been sanctioned will not develop the awareness needed to move on in life.

I do not take any satisfaction in applying sanctions to peoples benefits and I have suffered periods of unemployment. However, we have a society with people who don't want to follow the regulations and therefore get sanctioned and still expect support from the state. At what point do we have to say enough is enough?
I fully accept that there are those who take take take, they are brought up with it, learned behavior from parents who don`t want to work but there are also many cases where DWP staff could show humility. I have witnessed both types of people on many occasions; seeing a distressed young person have to leave hospital in the middle of the day to go and sign on, even after ringing DWP to explain, kind of proves that you are not applying common sense. You are therefore compounding the issue rather than helping that person take responsibility, encouraging that persons life to go in a downwards spiral. Even when someone is not 100% well, they need to eat and pay bills. Where will people get money to eat? They will steal, borrow or starve; hardly a recipe for getting people to take responsibility.
I don`t have an answer to the workshy, mostly unemployable takers, but I think we should have gone down the route of food vouchers rather than money when it was debated a few years ago.
Sanctioning people who have nothing just doesn`t sit well with me. I couldn`t do your job and I`m glad I turned it down a few years ago, I don`t think I would be hitting my targets on sanctions.
[quote][p][bold]Dark Rogue[/bold] wrote: I work on the side of the fence that does apply benefit sanctions to people. Unfortunately, certain people on benefits do not take responsibility for their actions and do get their benefits stopped due to them not following their requirements for claiming Job Seekers Allowance. If the council continues to provide support measures to people who won't take responsibility for their actions, then certain people who are been sanctioned will not develop the awareness needed to move on in life. I do not take any satisfaction in applying sanctions to peoples benefits and I have suffered periods of unemployment. However, we have a society with people who don't want to follow the regulations and therefore get sanctioned and still expect support from the state. At what point do we have to say enough is enough?[/p][/quote]I fully accept that there are those who take take take, they are brought up with it, learned behavior from parents who don`t want to work but there are also many cases where DWP staff could show humility. I have witnessed both types of people on many occasions; seeing a distressed young person have to leave hospital in the middle of the day to go and sign on, even after ringing DWP to explain, kind of proves that you are not applying common sense. You are therefore compounding the issue rather than helping that person take responsibility, encouraging that persons life to go in a downwards spiral. Even when someone is not 100% well, they need to eat and pay bills. Where will people get money to eat? They will steal, borrow or starve; hardly a recipe for getting people to take responsibility. I don`t have an answer to the workshy, mostly unemployable takers, but I think we should have gone down the route of food vouchers rather than money when it was debated a few years ago. Sanctioning people who have nothing just doesn`t sit well with me. I couldn`t do your job and I`m glad I turned it down a few years ago, I don`t think I would be hitting my targets on sanctions. inthesticks
  • Score: 10

11:43am Sun 25 May 14

Dark Rogue says...

inthesticks wrote:
Dark Rogue wrote: I work on the side of the fence that does apply benefit sanctions to people. Unfortunately, certain people on benefits do not take responsibility for their actions and do get their benefits stopped due to them not following their requirements for claiming Job Seekers Allowance. If the council continues to provide support measures to people who won't take responsibility for their actions, then certain people who are been sanctioned will not develop the awareness needed to move on in life. I do not take any satisfaction in applying sanctions to peoples benefits and I have suffered periods of unemployment. However, we have a society with people who don't want to follow the regulations and therefore get sanctioned and still expect support from the state. At what point do we have to say enough is enough?
I fully accept that there are those who take take take, they are brought up with it, learned behavior from parents who don`t want to work but there are also many cases where DWP staff could show humility. I have witnessed both types of people on many occasions; seeing a distressed young person have to leave hospital in the middle of the day to go and sign on, even after ringing DWP to explain, kind of proves that you are not applying common sense. You are therefore compounding the issue rather than helping that person take responsibility, encouraging that persons life to go in a downwards spiral. Even when someone is not 100% well, they need to eat and pay bills. Where will people get money to eat? They will steal, borrow or starve; hardly a recipe for getting people to take responsibility. I don`t have an answer to the workshy, mostly unemployable takers, but I think we should have gone down the route of food vouchers rather than money when it was debated a few years ago. Sanctioning people who have nothing just doesn`t sit well with me. I couldn`t do your job and I`m glad I turned it down a few years ago, I don`t think I would be hitting my targets on sanctions.
inthesticks ......

There is an on-going myth that there are targets for benefit sanctions to people on Job Seekers Allowance. I can assure there isn't but when you see people all day to discuss their job search and say 59 out of 60 attend with all the appropriate documentation and the 60th attends and says he/she forgot to bring his/her documentation, the only fair system to the other 59 people is to apply to sanction his/her benefits.

People on Job Seekers Allowance have two weeks to 'prepare' for their signing day and if the person is not prepared enough in the two week timescale then I am afraid, I have no sympathy.

We do hear a wide range of reasons as to why people cannot sign on/submit documentation on job search or simply apply for jobs and the reasons given astound me sometimes but all people sign an agreement to allow them to claim Job Seekers Allowance and people must take ownership of this.
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dark Rogue[/bold] wrote: I work on the side of the fence that does apply benefit sanctions to people. Unfortunately, certain people on benefits do not take responsibility for their actions and do get their benefits stopped due to them not following their requirements for claiming Job Seekers Allowance. If the council continues to provide support measures to people who won't take responsibility for their actions, then certain people who are been sanctioned will not develop the awareness needed to move on in life. I do not take any satisfaction in applying sanctions to peoples benefits and I have suffered periods of unemployment. However, we have a society with people who don't want to follow the regulations and therefore get sanctioned and still expect support from the state. At what point do we have to say enough is enough?[/p][/quote]I fully accept that there are those who take take take, they are brought up with it, learned behavior from parents who don`t want to work but there are also many cases where DWP staff could show humility. I have witnessed both types of people on many occasions; seeing a distressed young person have to leave hospital in the middle of the day to go and sign on, even after ringing DWP to explain, kind of proves that you are not applying common sense. You are therefore compounding the issue rather than helping that person take responsibility, encouraging that persons life to go in a downwards spiral. Even when someone is not 100% well, they need to eat and pay bills. Where will people get money to eat? They will steal, borrow or starve; hardly a recipe for getting people to take responsibility. I don`t have an answer to the workshy, mostly unemployable takers, but I think we should have gone down the route of food vouchers rather than money when it was debated a few years ago. Sanctioning people who have nothing just doesn`t sit well with me. I couldn`t do your job and I`m glad I turned it down a few years ago, I don`t think I would be hitting my targets on sanctions.[/p][/quote]inthesticks ...... There is an on-going myth that there are targets for benefit sanctions to people on Job Seekers Allowance. I can assure there isn't but when you see people all day to discuss their job search and say 59 out of 60 attend with all the appropriate documentation and the 60th attends and says he/she forgot to bring his/her documentation, the only fair system to the other 59 people is to apply to sanction his/her benefits. People on Job Seekers Allowance have two weeks to 'prepare' for their signing day and if the person is not prepared enough in the two week timescale then I am afraid, I have no sympathy. We do hear a wide range of reasons as to why people cannot sign on/submit documentation on job search or simply apply for jobs and the reasons given astound me sometimes but all people sign an agreement to allow them to claim Job Seekers Allowance and people must take ownership of this. Dark Rogue
  • Score: 9

1:56pm Sun 25 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Jack Ham wrote:
York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power. Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda. I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?
There is a cultural political elite clique/cabal seeking to control York for their 'Common Purpose'.

There are 'members' of this club scattered mainly within the public and charitable (Third) sectors, plus a few so called 'entrepreneurs' in small businesses connected with their mates in the creative media/arts.

Public money is being directed into their projects all aimed at solving the poverty/inequalities agendas, but, with no checks and balances, no cost/benefit analysis, and no accountability. It is tantamount to fraud, and is being done undemocratically, using subversion.

Dubious politicised charities like Nesta and Young foundation plus NGO's like FutureGov, are also involved.

York citizens should be aware and vigilent in looking out for and into these matters.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power. Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda. I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?[/p][/quote]There is a cultural political elite clique/cabal seeking to control York for their 'Common Purpose'. There are 'members' of this club scattered mainly within the public and charitable (Third) sectors, plus a few so called 'entrepreneurs' in small businesses connected with their mates in the creative media/arts. Public money is being directed into their projects all aimed at solving the poverty/inequalities agendas, but, with no checks and balances, no cost/benefit analysis, and no accountability. It is tantamount to fraud, and is being done undemocratically, using subversion. Dubious politicised charities like Nesta and Young foundation plus NGO's like FutureGov, are also involved. York citizens should be aware and vigilent in looking out for and into these matters. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -65

2:09pm Sun 25 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Jack Ham wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
Jack Ham wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Jack Ham wrote: York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power. Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda. I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?
That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not.
Are you sure it's irrelevant? York CAB repeatedly pump out anti-government propaganda. Have they ever said anything positive about the government? It seems to me that any organisation that supports a particular political viewpoint, and receives public funding, should be open to public scrutiny. Is this ever declared? Was it declared during the Fairness Commission, I'm funding applications, scrutiny topics? I don't know but it does make me wonder.
richard bridge who is always ranting on about the nasty tories is also a cab employee and he is also a fully fledged labour supporter
Citizens Advice, like many charities was set up with noble purpose to meet an important need. Sadly charities are easily infiltrated and used as political pawns. York CAB is a good example. For those interested, it might also be worth looking at the relationship between the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, it's Chief Executive, Julia Unwin and her husband, who I believe is the chair of the local Labour Party. How often are these conflicts publicly declared?
Jack Ham you are spot on my friend!

Look at the twitter follows of the JRF hierarchy and you will see how deeply politicised this so called 'charity' has become.

How can i contact you Jack? I can provide you with some very interesting research into 'local matters', along the lines you are alluding to.

The extent of the connections in York is truly shocking.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power. Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda. I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?[/p][/quote]That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not.[/p][/quote]Are you sure it's irrelevant? York CAB repeatedly pump out anti-government propaganda. Have they ever said anything positive about the government? It seems to me that any organisation that supports a particular political viewpoint, and receives public funding, should be open to public scrutiny. Is this ever declared? Was it declared during the Fairness Commission, I'm funding applications, scrutiny topics? I don't know but it does make me wonder.[/p][/quote]richard bridge who is always ranting on about the nasty tories is also a cab employee and he is also a fully fledged labour supporter[/p][/quote]Citizens Advice, like many charities was set up with noble purpose to meet an important need. Sadly charities are easily infiltrated and used as political pawns. York CAB is a good example. For those interested, it might also be worth looking at the relationship between the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, it's Chief Executive, Julia Unwin and her husband, who I believe is the chair of the local Labour Party. How often are these conflicts publicly declared?[/p][/quote]Jack Ham you are spot on my friend! Look at the twitter follows of the JRF hierarchy and you will see how deeply politicised this so called 'charity' has become. How can i contact you Jack? I can provide you with some very interesting research into 'local matters', along the lines you are alluding to. The extent of the connections in York is truly shocking. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -65

2:16pm Sun 25 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Jack Ham wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Jack Ham wrote: York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power. Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda. I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?
That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not.
Are you sure it's irrelevant? York CAB repeatedly pump out anti-government propaganda. Have they ever said anything positive about the government? It seems to me that any organisation that supports a particular political viewpoint, and receives public funding, should be open to public scrutiny. Is this ever declared? Was it declared during the Fairness Commission, I'm funding applications, scrutiny topics? I don't know but it does make me wonder.
Are you on twitter Jack, or know someone who is, who does not mind me making contact through them?

I would like to tell you what I know, and exchange information.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: York Citizens Advice Bureau have been supported very well financially since Labour came to power. Based upon tier media releases they have a very left wing political agenda. I wonder whether the fact their Chief Executive, George Vickers, is a member of the York Labour Party has any influence on the Labour Cabinets decision to provide them with funding?[/p][/quote]That`s not really relevant to the story and YCAB are fantastic. I have used them in the past and they help thousands of people in York - without even asking or caring whether you vote labour or not.[/p][/quote]Are you sure it's irrelevant? York CAB repeatedly pump out anti-government propaganda. Have they ever said anything positive about the government? It seems to me that any organisation that supports a particular political viewpoint, and receives public funding, should be open to public scrutiny. Is this ever declared? Was it declared during the Fairness Commission, I'm funding applications, scrutiny topics? I don't know but it does make me wonder.[/p][/quote]Are you on twitter Jack, or know someone who is, who does not mind me making contact through them? I would like to tell you what I know, and exchange information. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -96

3:05pm Sun 25 May 14

rat scabies says...

Poverty in York is a myth made up by the labour group and it's activists, my daughter as just spent 3 1/2 years on benefits, her benefits which included housing benefit, child tax credits, job seekers allowance, etc etc ,paid for her rent, her food, her clothing, her utilities, she could afford to run a car, had a holiday abroad each year, samsung galaxy phone on a contract, contracted to virgin media and Netflix, also a signed up member to a gym on Clifton moor, smokes and drinks, out every weekend whilst me and my wife baby sit the grand bairn, her benefits are actually worth more than my annual pay before tax! Anybody falling for this poverty in the U.K. line is a complete mug!

Another very distressing story about York and the way the social give out cash willy nilly , is the people going in asking for money for their children and then going off and buying drugs, this does go on, the big question here is, how many known druggies are York council housing in private houses and paying their housing benefit?
Poverty in York is a myth made up by the labour group and it's activists, my daughter as just spent 3 1/2 years on benefits, her benefits which included housing benefit, child tax credits, job seekers allowance, etc etc ,paid for her rent, her food, her clothing, her utilities, she could afford to run a car, had a holiday abroad each year, samsung galaxy phone on a contract, contracted to virgin media and Netflix, also a signed up member to a gym on Clifton moor, smokes and drinks, out every weekend whilst me and my wife baby sit the grand bairn, her benefits are actually worth more than my annual pay before tax! Anybody falling for this poverty in the U.K. line is a complete mug! Another very distressing story about York and the way the social give out cash willy nilly , is the people going in asking for money for their children and then going off and buying drugs, this does go on, the big question here is, how many known druggies are York council housing in private houses and paying their housing benefit? rat scabies
  • Score: -55

5:17pm Sun 25 May 14

Y.I.P. says...

rat scabies wrote:
Poverty in York is a myth made up by the labour group and it's activists, my daughter as just spent 3 1/2 years on benefits, her benefits which included housing benefit, child tax credits, job seekers allowance, etc etc ,paid for her rent, her food, her clothing, her utilities, she could afford to run a car, had a holiday abroad each year, samsung galaxy phone on a contract, contracted to virgin media and Netflix, also a signed up member to a gym on Clifton moor, smokes and drinks, out every weekend whilst me and my wife baby sit the grand bairn, her benefits are actually worth more than my annual pay before tax! Anybody falling for this poverty in the U.K. line is a complete mug!

Another very distressing story about York and the way the social give out cash willy nilly , is the people going in asking for money for their children and then going off and buying drugs, this does go on, the big question here is, how many known druggies are York council housing in private houses and paying their housing benefit?
Spot on fella,you have got it right,say it how it is,like NIGEL
[quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: Poverty in York is a myth made up by the labour group and it's activists, my daughter as just spent 3 1/2 years on benefits, her benefits which included housing benefit, child tax credits, job seekers allowance, etc etc ,paid for her rent, her food, her clothing, her utilities, she could afford to run a car, had a holiday abroad each year, samsung galaxy phone on a contract, contracted to virgin media and Netflix, also a signed up member to a gym on Clifton moor, smokes and drinks, out every weekend whilst me and my wife baby sit the grand bairn, her benefits are actually worth more than my annual pay before tax! Anybody falling for this poverty in the U.K. line is a complete mug! Another very distressing story about York and the way the social give out cash willy nilly , is the people going in asking for money for their children and then going off and buying drugs, this does go on, the big question here is, how many known druggies are York council housing in private houses and paying their housing benefit?[/p][/quote]Spot on fella,you have got it right,say it how it is,like NIGEL Y.I.P.
  • Score: -31

5:28pm Sun 25 May 14

inthesticks says...

Dark Rogue wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Dark Rogue wrote: I work on the side of the fence that does apply benefit sanctions to people. Unfortunately, certain people on benefits do not take responsibility for their actions and do get their benefits stopped due to them not following their requirements for claiming Job Seekers Allowance. If the council continues to provide support measures to people who won't take responsibility for their actions, then certain people who are been sanctioned will not develop the awareness needed to move on in life. I do not take any satisfaction in applying sanctions to peoples benefits and I have suffered periods of unemployment. However, we have a society with people who don't want to follow the regulations and therefore get sanctioned and still expect support from the state. At what point do we have to say enough is enough?
I fully accept that there are those who take take take, they are brought up with it, learned behavior from parents who don`t want to work but there are also many cases where DWP staff could show humility. I have witnessed both types of people on many occasions; seeing a distressed young person have to leave hospital in the middle of the day to go and sign on, even after ringing DWP to explain, kind of proves that you are not applying common sense. You are therefore compounding the issue rather than helping that person take responsibility, encouraging that persons life to go in a downwards spiral. Even when someone is not 100% well, they need to eat and pay bills. Where will people get money to eat? They will steal, borrow or starve; hardly a recipe for getting people to take responsibility. I don`t have an answer to the workshy, mostly unemployable takers, but I think we should have gone down the route of food vouchers rather than money when it was debated a few years ago. Sanctioning people who have nothing just doesn`t sit well with me. I couldn`t do your job and I`m glad I turned it down a few years ago, I don`t think I would be hitting my targets on sanctions.
inthesticks ......

There is an on-going myth that there are targets for benefit sanctions to people on Job Seekers Allowance. I can assure there isn't but when you see people all day to discuss their job search and say 59 out of 60 attend with all the appropriate documentation and the 60th attends and says he/she forgot to bring his/her documentation, the only fair system to the other 59 people is to apply to sanction his/her benefits.

People on Job Seekers Allowance have two weeks to 'prepare' for their signing day and if the person is not prepared enough in the two week timescale then I am afraid, I have no sympathy.

We do hear a wide range of reasons as to why people cannot sign on/submit documentation on job search or simply apply for jobs and the reasons given astound me sometimes but all people sign an agreement to allow them to claim Job Seekers Allowance and people must take ownership of this.
And someone rings you to say they have just spent the last 3 days in hospital and they will not be discharged that day with an appointment that afternoon, you then sanction them, to make sure they will have no money for food when they get out. You have no sympathy for them either?
[quote][p][bold]Dark Rogue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dark Rogue[/bold] wrote: I work on the side of the fence that does apply benefit sanctions to people. Unfortunately, certain people on benefits do not take responsibility for their actions and do get their benefits stopped due to them not following their requirements for claiming Job Seekers Allowance. If the council continues to provide support measures to people who won't take responsibility for their actions, then certain people who are been sanctioned will not develop the awareness needed to move on in life. I do not take any satisfaction in applying sanctions to peoples benefits and I have suffered periods of unemployment. However, we have a society with people who don't want to follow the regulations and therefore get sanctioned and still expect support from the state. At what point do we have to say enough is enough?[/p][/quote]I fully accept that there are those who take take take, they are brought up with it, learned behavior from parents who don`t want to work but there are also many cases where DWP staff could show humility. I have witnessed both types of people on many occasions; seeing a distressed young person have to leave hospital in the middle of the day to go and sign on, even after ringing DWP to explain, kind of proves that you are not applying common sense. You are therefore compounding the issue rather than helping that person take responsibility, encouraging that persons life to go in a downwards spiral. Even when someone is not 100% well, they need to eat and pay bills. Where will people get money to eat? They will steal, borrow or starve; hardly a recipe for getting people to take responsibility. I don`t have an answer to the workshy, mostly unemployable takers, but I think we should have gone down the route of food vouchers rather than money when it was debated a few years ago. Sanctioning people who have nothing just doesn`t sit well with me. I couldn`t do your job and I`m glad I turned it down a few years ago, I don`t think I would be hitting my targets on sanctions.[/p][/quote]inthesticks ...... There is an on-going myth that there are targets for benefit sanctions to people on Job Seekers Allowance. I can assure there isn't but when you see people all day to discuss their job search and say 59 out of 60 attend with all the appropriate documentation and the 60th attends and says he/she forgot to bring his/her documentation, the only fair system to the other 59 people is to apply to sanction his/her benefits. People on Job Seekers Allowance have two weeks to 'prepare' for their signing day and if the person is not prepared enough in the two week timescale then I am afraid, I have no sympathy. We do hear a wide range of reasons as to why people cannot sign on/submit documentation on job search or simply apply for jobs and the reasons given astound me sometimes but all people sign an agreement to allow them to claim Job Seekers Allowance and people must take ownership of this.[/p][/quote]And someone rings you to say they have just spent the last 3 days in hospital and they will not be discharged that day with an appointment that afternoon, you then sanction them, to make sure they will have no money for food when they get out. You have no sympathy for them either? inthesticks
  • Score: 56

5:43pm Sun 25 May 14

Flabbergob says...

Y.I.P. wrote:
rat scabies wrote:
Poverty in York is a myth made up by the labour group and it's activists, my daughter as just spent 3 1/2 years on benefits, her benefits which included housing benefit, child tax credits, job seekers allowance, etc etc ,paid for her rent, her food, her clothing, her utilities, she could afford to run a car, had a holiday abroad each year, samsung galaxy phone on a contract, contracted to virgin media and Netflix, also a signed up member to a gym on Clifton moor, smokes and drinks, out every weekend whilst me and my wife baby sit the grand bairn, her benefits are actually worth more than my annual pay before tax! Anybody falling for this poverty in the U.K. line is a complete mug!

Another very distressing story about York and the way the social give out cash willy nilly , is the people going in asking for money for their children and then going off and buying drugs, this does go on, the big question here is, how many known druggies are York council housing in private houses and paying their housing benefit?
Spot on fella,you have got it right,say it how it is,like NIGEL
Are you a Labour stooge with instructions to undermine support for independents in York.

Your failing.
[quote][p][bold]Y.I.P.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: Poverty in York is a myth made up by the labour group and it's activists, my daughter as just spent 3 1/2 years on benefits, her benefits which included housing benefit, child tax credits, job seekers allowance, etc etc ,paid for her rent, her food, her clothing, her utilities, she could afford to run a car, had a holiday abroad each year, samsung galaxy phone on a contract, contracted to virgin media and Netflix, also a signed up member to a gym on Clifton moor, smokes and drinks, out every weekend whilst me and my wife baby sit the grand bairn, her benefits are actually worth more than my annual pay before tax! Anybody falling for this poverty in the U.K. line is a complete mug! Another very distressing story about York and the way the social give out cash willy nilly , is the people going in asking for money for their children and then going off and buying drugs, this does go on, the big question here is, how many known druggies are York council housing in private houses and paying their housing benefit?[/p][/quote]Spot on fella,you have got it right,say it how it is,like NIGEL[/p][/quote]Are you a Labour stooge with instructions to undermine support for independents in York. Your failing. Flabbergob
  • Score: -53

9:39pm Sun 25 May 14

petethefeet says...

I supported a family member who suffers from lifelong & worsening muscular dystrophy and whom was deemed fit for work by an idiotic state registered nurse working for the DWPs attack-dog ATOS. I call the lady an "idiot" because I learned from the expert adviser at CAB that she fails just about everyone with 6 points whilst a minimum of 15 points are required. The guy then had to wait 13 months on JSA before his successful appeal was heard by a decent doctor and judge. I was so horrified by his treatment at the hands of this shoddy organisation called the Department of Works & Pensions that I will forever give the benefit of the doubt to the plaintiff. If the government & MPs cannot see just how appalling this treatment then it's high-time they quit. As for Iain Duncan Smith? I wouldn't keep him with dogs!
I supported a family member who suffers from lifelong & worsening muscular dystrophy and whom was deemed fit for work by an idiotic state registered nurse working for the DWPs attack-dog ATOS. I call the lady an "idiot" because I learned from the expert adviser at CAB that she fails just about everyone with 6 points whilst a minimum of 15 points are required. The guy then had to wait 13 months on JSA before his successful appeal was heard by a decent doctor and judge. I was so horrified by his treatment at the hands of this shoddy organisation called the Department of Works & Pensions that I will forever give the benefit of the doubt to the plaintiff. If the government & MPs cannot see just how appalling this treatment then it's high-time they quit. As for Iain Duncan Smith? I wouldn't keep him with dogs! petethefeet
  • Score: 19

10:36pm Sun 25 May 14

geoff tibletts says...

Can't believe that romanian beggar down coney street gets his flat paid for and all the extra benefits that go with it he makes upto £200 a day.just stand around and watch how many people stop and give him money it's unbelievable he then shoots off on his skateboard back to Rotherham with all the money he makes he should be renting a penthouse flat somewhere.
Can't believe that romanian beggar down coney street gets his flat paid for and all the extra benefits that go with it he makes upto £200 a day.just stand around and watch how many people stop and give him money it's unbelievable he then shoots off on his skateboard back to Rotherham with all the money he makes he should be renting a penthouse flat somewhere. geoff tibletts
  • Score: -20

11:31pm Sun 25 May 14

Dark Rogue says...

inthesticks ... Yes I would apply the sanction to ensure a fair result is applied to the reason for not signing on. The person would still recieve their benefits providing they could evidence their hospital stay.

Can people imagine the anarchy that would happen if everybody phoned the job centre on the day of their signing and said they could not attend for whatever reason and not evidence the reason. I would expect that the 2,000 people in York claiming Job Seekers Allowance would do this if they could to avoid signing on.
inthesticks ... Yes I would apply the sanction to ensure a fair result is applied to the reason for not signing on. The person would still recieve their benefits providing they could evidence their hospital stay. Can people imagine the anarchy that would happen if everybody phoned the job centre on the day of their signing and said they could not attend for whatever reason and not evidence the reason. I would expect that the 2,000 people in York claiming Job Seekers Allowance would do this if they could to avoid signing on. Dark Rogue
  • Score: -3

7:21am Mon 26 May 14

Thecynic says...

rat scabies wrote:
Poverty in York is a myth made up by the labour group and it's activists, my daughter as just spent 3 1/2 years on benefits, her benefits which included housing benefit, child tax credits, job seekers allowance, etc etc ,paid for her rent, her food, her clothing, her utilities, she could afford to run a car, had a holiday abroad each year, samsung galaxy phone on a contract, contracted to virgin media and Netflix, also a signed up member to a gym on Clifton moor, smokes and drinks, out every weekend whilst me and my wife baby sit the grand bairn, her benefits are actually worth more than my annual pay before tax! Anybody falling for this poverty in the U.K. line is a complete mug!

Another very distressing story about York and the way the social give out cash willy nilly , is the people going in asking for money for their children and then going off and buying drugs, this does go on, the big question here is, how many known druggies are York council housing in private houses and paying their housing benefit?
So all these people in York on benefits are on more money than the average worker?
That's strange, I'd have though that all these 'average workers' would be queueing up to sign on and get a 'pay rise'! (or at least a good percentage of them anyway) Maybe they like being poor?
And before you give me any rubbish about the fact that they want to work to earn their money bla bla, well they still can. They could sign on (get their 'pay increase') and ask the jobcenter to give them a one of their recomended voluntary positions. This way they would have more 'pay', still be going to work, and contributing to society, and have more time at home with their families into the bargain!
Win Win situation. So why aren't they doing it? I'll tell you why, because deep inside they know they are talking a load of bull....
I was unemployed for 3 years and didn't get hardly any of what you mention, Yes I had my rent paid and I got £70 per week. (after putting in over 30 years of work and contributing well over £100 per week in tax and NI in my last job) That was it. All living expenses, and expenses incurred in looking for work had to come out of that, no satellite, not even a phone, couldn't afford one. My cooker broke I couldn't afford another so had to cook on a camping stove for 18 of those Months! (I asked for a loan and was refused) but of course as some are quick to imply, I was well off. I pity those who are not well off then.
[quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: Poverty in York is a myth made up by the labour group and it's activists, my daughter as just spent 3 1/2 years on benefits, her benefits which included housing benefit, child tax credits, job seekers allowance, etc etc ,paid for her rent, her food, her clothing, her utilities, she could afford to run a car, had a holiday abroad each year, samsung galaxy phone on a contract, contracted to virgin media and Netflix, also a signed up member to a gym on Clifton moor, smokes and drinks, out every weekend whilst me and my wife baby sit the grand bairn, her benefits are actually worth more than my annual pay before tax! Anybody falling for this poverty in the U.K. line is a complete mug! Another very distressing story about York and the way the social give out cash willy nilly , is the people going in asking for money for their children and then going off and buying drugs, this does go on, the big question here is, how many known druggies are York council housing in private houses and paying their housing benefit?[/p][/quote]So all these people in York on benefits are on more money than the average worker? That's strange, I'd have though that all these 'average workers' would be queueing up to sign on and get a 'pay rise'! (or at least a good percentage of them anyway) Maybe they like being poor? And before you give me any rubbish about the fact that they want to work to earn their money bla bla, well they still can. They could sign on (get their 'pay increase') and ask the jobcenter to give them a one of their recomended voluntary positions. This way they would have more 'pay', still be going to work, and contributing to society, and have more time at home with their families into the bargain! Win Win situation. So why aren't they doing it? I'll tell you why, because deep inside they know they are talking a load of bull.... I was unemployed for 3 years and didn't get hardly any of what you mention, Yes I had my rent paid and I got £70 per week. (after putting in over 30 years of work and contributing well over £100 per week in tax and NI in my last job) That was it. All living expenses, and expenses incurred in looking for work had to come out of that, no satellite, not even a phone, couldn't afford one. My cooker broke I couldn't afford another so had to cook on a camping stove for 18 of those Months! (I asked for a loan and was refused) but of course as some are quick to imply, I was well off. I pity those who are not well off then. Thecynic
  • Score: 6

8:49am Mon 26 May 14

inthesticks says...

Thecynic wrote:
rat scabies wrote:
Poverty in York is a myth made up by the labour group and it's activists, my daughter as just spent 3 1/2 years on benefits, her benefits which included housing benefit, child tax credits, job seekers allowance, etc etc ,paid for her rent, her food, her clothing, her utilities, she could afford to run a car, had a holiday abroad each year, samsung galaxy phone on a contract, contracted to virgin media and Netflix, also a signed up member to a gym on Clifton moor, smokes and drinks, out every weekend whilst me and my wife baby sit the grand bairn, her benefits are actually worth more than my annual pay before tax! Anybody falling for this poverty in the U.K. line is a complete mug!

Another very distressing story about York and the way the social give out cash willy nilly , is the people going in asking for money for their children and then going off and buying drugs, this does go on, the big question here is, how many known druggies are York council housing in private houses and paying their housing benefit?
So all these people in York on benefits are on more money than the average worker?
That's strange, I'd have though that all these 'average workers' would be queueing up to sign on and get a 'pay rise'! (or at least a good percentage of them anyway) Maybe they like being poor?
And before you give me any rubbish about the fact that they want to work to earn their money bla bla, well they still can. They could sign on (get their 'pay increase') and ask the jobcenter to give them a one of their recomended voluntary positions. This way they would have more 'pay', still be going to work, and contributing to society, and have more time at home with their families into the bargain!
Win Win situation. So why aren't they doing it? I'll tell you why, because deep inside they know they are talking a load of bull....
I was unemployed for 3 years and didn't get hardly any of what you mention, Yes I had my rent paid and I got £70 per week. (after putting in over 30 years of work and contributing well over £100 per week in tax and NI in my last job) That was it. All living expenses, and expenses incurred in looking for work had to come out of that, no satellite, not even a phone, couldn't afford one. My cooker broke I couldn't afford another so had to cook on a camping stove for 18 of those Months! (I asked for a loan and was refused) but of course as some are quick to imply, I was well off. I pity those who are not well off then.
Exactly. This is the reality of the situation, JSA is currently £57 p/w, even if you get rent paid on top of that. I would probably need a minimum of that every two days to pay my bills, run the car and have a phone, tv etc.
As for the assurances from the DWP staff member, I`m not continuing the discussion, said person was told it didn`t matter if they brought a Drs letter, they would still be sanctioned if they didn`t attend, hence leaving a hospital bed to go and sign on. I don`t have any trust in a system devised by the wicked IDS or the power mad staff who implement it with such joy.
[quote][p][bold]Thecynic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: Poverty in York is a myth made up by the labour group and it's activists, my daughter as just spent 3 1/2 years on benefits, her benefits which included housing benefit, child tax credits, job seekers allowance, etc etc ,paid for her rent, her food, her clothing, her utilities, she could afford to run a car, had a holiday abroad each year, samsung galaxy phone on a contract, contracted to virgin media and Netflix, also a signed up member to a gym on Clifton moor, smokes and drinks, out every weekend whilst me and my wife baby sit the grand bairn, her benefits are actually worth more than my annual pay before tax! Anybody falling for this poverty in the U.K. line is a complete mug! Another very distressing story about York and the way the social give out cash willy nilly , is the people going in asking for money for their children and then going off and buying drugs, this does go on, the big question here is, how many known druggies are York council housing in private houses and paying their housing benefit?[/p][/quote]So all these people in York on benefits are on more money than the average worker? That's strange, I'd have though that all these 'average workers' would be queueing up to sign on and get a 'pay rise'! (or at least a good percentage of them anyway) Maybe they like being poor? And before you give me any rubbish about the fact that they want to work to earn their money bla bla, well they still can. They could sign on (get their 'pay increase') and ask the jobcenter to give them a one of their recomended voluntary positions. This way they would have more 'pay', still be going to work, and contributing to society, and have more time at home with their families into the bargain! Win Win situation. So why aren't they doing it? I'll tell you why, because deep inside they know they are talking a load of bull.... I was unemployed for 3 years and didn't get hardly any of what you mention, Yes I had my rent paid and I got £70 per week. (after putting in over 30 years of work and contributing well over £100 per week in tax and NI in my last job) That was it. All living expenses, and expenses incurred in looking for work had to come out of that, no satellite, not even a phone, couldn't afford one. My cooker broke I couldn't afford another so had to cook on a camping stove for 18 of those Months! (I asked for a loan and was refused) but of course as some are quick to imply, I was well off. I pity those who are not well off then.[/p][/quote]Exactly. This is the reality of the situation, JSA is currently £57 p/w, even if you get rent paid on top of that. I would probably need a minimum of that every two days to pay my bills, run the car and have a phone, tv etc. As for the assurances from the DWP staff member, I`m not continuing the discussion, said person was told it didn`t matter if they brought a Drs letter, they would still be sanctioned if they didn`t attend, hence leaving a hospital bed to go and sign on. I don`t have any trust in a system devised by the wicked IDS or the power mad staff who implement it with such joy. inthesticks
  • Score: 7

10:05am Mon 26 May 14

rat scabies says...

Thecynic wrote:
rat scabies wrote:
Poverty in York is a myth made up by the labour group and it's activists, my daughter as just spent 3 1/2 years on benefits, her benefits which included housing benefit, child tax credits, job seekers allowance, etc etc ,paid for her rent, her food, her clothing, her utilities, she could afford to run a car, had a holiday abroad each year, samsung galaxy phone on a contract, contracted to virgin media and Netflix, also a signed up member to a gym on Clifton moor, smokes and drinks, out every weekend whilst me and my wife baby sit the grand bairn, her benefits are actually worth more than my annual pay before tax! Anybody falling for this poverty in the U.K. line is a complete mug!

Another very distressing story about York and the way the social give out cash willy nilly , is the people going in asking for money for their children and then going off and buying drugs, this does go on, the big question here is, how many known druggies are York council housing in private houses and paying their housing benefit?
So all these people in York on benefits are on more money than the average worker?
That's strange, I'd have though that all these 'average workers' would be queueing up to sign on and get a 'pay rise'! (or at least a good percentage of them anyway) Maybe they like being poor?
And before you give me any rubbish about the fact that they want to work to earn their money bla bla, well they still can. They could sign on (get their 'pay increase') and ask the jobcenter to give them a one of their recomended voluntary positions. This way they would have more 'pay', still be going to work, and contributing to society, and have more time at home with their families into the bargain!
Win Win situation. So why aren't they doing it? I'll tell you why, because deep inside they know they are talking a load of bull....
I was unemployed for 3 years and didn't get hardly any of what you mention, Yes I had my rent paid and I got £70 per week. (after putting in over 30 years of work and contributing well over £100 per week in tax and NI in my last job) That was it. All living expenses, and expenses incurred in looking for work had to come out of that, no satellite, not even a phone, couldn't afford one. My cooker broke I couldn't afford another so had to cook on a camping stove for 18 of those Months! (I asked for a loan and was refused) but of course as some are quick to imply, I was well off. I pity those who are not well off then.
?? Where did i say "all these people in York on benefits are on more money than the average worker" ??

I stated what i know about my daughter.

Also a bit confused about you, you state you worked for 30 years , paid over £100 a week in tax and national insurance and yet had to get your rent paid?
Surely you own your own home and have substantial savings? You must be really bad with money?
[quote][p][bold]Thecynic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: Poverty in York is a myth made up by the labour group and it's activists, my daughter as just spent 3 1/2 years on benefits, her benefits which included housing benefit, child tax credits, job seekers allowance, etc etc ,paid for her rent, her food, her clothing, her utilities, she could afford to run a car, had a holiday abroad each year, samsung galaxy phone on a contract, contracted to virgin media and Netflix, also a signed up member to a gym on Clifton moor, smokes and drinks, out every weekend whilst me and my wife baby sit the grand bairn, her benefits are actually worth more than my annual pay before tax! Anybody falling for this poverty in the U.K. line is a complete mug! Another very distressing story about York and the way the social give out cash willy nilly , is the people going in asking for money for their children and then going off and buying drugs, this does go on, the big question here is, how many known druggies are York council housing in private houses and paying their housing benefit?[/p][/quote]So all these people in York on benefits are on more money than the average worker? That's strange, I'd have though that all these 'average workers' would be queueing up to sign on and get a 'pay rise'! (or at least a good percentage of them anyway) Maybe they like being poor? And before you give me any rubbish about the fact that they want to work to earn their money bla bla, well they still can. They could sign on (get their 'pay increase') and ask the jobcenter to give them a one of their recomended voluntary positions. This way they would have more 'pay', still be going to work, and contributing to society, and have more time at home with their families into the bargain! Win Win situation. So why aren't they doing it? I'll tell you why, because deep inside they know they are talking a load of bull.... I was unemployed for 3 years and didn't get hardly any of what you mention, Yes I had my rent paid and I got £70 per week. (after putting in over 30 years of work and contributing well over £100 per week in tax and NI in my last job) That was it. All living expenses, and expenses incurred in looking for work had to come out of that, no satellite, not even a phone, couldn't afford one. My cooker broke I couldn't afford another so had to cook on a camping stove for 18 of those Months! (I asked for a loan and was refused) but of course as some are quick to imply, I was well off. I pity those who are not well off then.[/p][/quote]?? Where did i say "all these people in York on benefits are on more money than the average worker" ?? I stated what i know about my daughter. Also a bit confused about you, you state you worked for 30 years , paid over £100 a week in tax and national insurance and yet had to get your rent paid? Surely you own your own home and have substantial savings? You must be really bad with money? rat scabies
  • Score: -6

12:19pm Mon 26 May 14

Thecynic says...

rat scabies wrote:
Thecynic wrote:
rat scabies wrote:
Poverty in York is a myth made up by the labour group and it's activists, my daughter as just spent 3 1/2 years on benefits, her benefits which included housing benefit, child tax credits, job seekers allowance, etc etc ,paid for her rent, her food, her clothing, her utilities, she could afford to run a car, had a holiday abroad each year, samsung galaxy phone on a contract, contracted to virgin media and Netflix, also a signed up member to a gym on Clifton moor, smokes and drinks, out every weekend whilst me and my wife baby sit the grand bairn, her benefits are actually worth more than my annual pay before tax! Anybody falling for this poverty in the U.K. line is a complete mug!

Another very distressing story about York and the way the social give out cash willy nilly , is the people going in asking for money for their children and then going off and buying drugs, this does go on, the big question here is, how many known druggies are York council housing in private houses and paying their housing benefit?
So all these people in York on benefits are on more money than the average worker?
That's strange, I'd have though that all these 'average workers' would be queueing up to sign on and get a 'pay rise'! (or at least a good percentage of them anyway) Maybe they like being poor?
And before you give me any rubbish about the fact that they want to work to earn their money bla bla, well they still can. They could sign on (get their 'pay increase') and ask the jobcenter to give them a one of their recomended voluntary positions. This way they would have more 'pay', still be going to work, and contributing to society, and have more time at home with their families into the bargain!
Win Win situation. So why aren't they doing it? I'll tell you why, because deep inside they know they are talking a load of bull....
I was unemployed for 3 years and didn't get hardly any of what you mention, Yes I had my rent paid and I got £70 per week. (after putting in over 30 years of work and contributing well over £100 per week in tax and NI in my last job) That was it. All living expenses, and expenses incurred in looking for work had to come out of that, no satellite, not even a phone, couldn't afford one. My cooker broke I couldn't afford another so had to cook on a camping stove for 18 of those Months! (I asked for a loan and was refused) but of course as some are quick to imply, I was well off. I pity those who are not well off then.
?? Where did i say "all these people in York on benefits are on more money than the average worker" ??

I stated what i know about my daughter.

Also a bit confused about you, you state you worked for 30 years , paid over £100 a week in tax and national insurance and yet had to get your rent paid?
Surely you own your own home and have substantial savings? You must be really bad with money?
I assumed that you would class yourself as an average worker, as it was you who claimed that your daughter who was on benefits earned more than your annual wage before tax.
To be eligible for tax you need to earn approx £9500 per annum so it's not too far of a stretch to assume you work full time, therefore by implication you claim that those on benefits, (your Daughter being one of them) earn more than an average worker.
As for me being bad with money, I'm not going into my personal circumstances in public here, but suffice to say that the stress of being unemployed, wrecked my marriage, (amongst other things) and ended with a costly but amicable settlement. Not everyone has a rosy time and lives in Utopia.
What utter tosh to stand up and say or imply that those who are on benefits are better off than those who work hard for a living. (sure some unemployed do milk the system and abuse it, usually illegally. But should everyone have to be branded the same for the actions of a few? which is what a lot of comments on here seem to do) If it were even remotely the case that those on benefits were better off than an average worker then I think the unemployment figures would more than likely show something like 20 million out of work claiming benefits, not the current 2 million, and probably only a few million at work.
[quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thecynic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: Poverty in York is a myth made up by the labour group and it's activists, my daughter as just spent 3 1/2 years on benefits, her benefits which included housing benefit, child tax credits, job seekers allowance, etc etc ,paid for her rent, her food, her clothing, her utilities, she could afford to run a car, had a holiday abroad each year, samsung galaxy phone on a contract, contracted to virgin media and Netflix, also a signed up member to a gym on Clifton moor, smokes and drinks, out every weekend whilst me and my wife baby sit the grand bairn, her benefits are actually worth more than my annual pay before tax! Anybody falling for this poverty in the U.K. line is a complete mug! Another very distressing story about York and the way the social give out cash willy nilly , is the people going in asking for money for their children and then going off and buying drugs, this does go on, the big question here is, how many known druggies are York council housing in private houses and paying their housing benefit?[/p][/quote]So all these people in York on benefits are on more money than the average worker? That's strange, I'd have though that all these 'average workers' would be queueing up to sign on and get a 'pay rise'! (or at least a good percentage of them anyway) Maybe they like being poor? And before you give me any rubbish about the fact that they want to work to earn their money bla bla, well they still can. They could sign on (get their 'pay increase') and ask the jobcenter to give them a one of their recomended voluntary positions. This way they would have more 'pay', still be going to work, and contributing to society, and have more time at home with their families into the bargain! Win Win situation. So why aren't they doing it? I'll tell you why, because deep inside they know they are talking a load of bull.... I was unemployed for 3 years and didn't get hardly any of what you mention, Yes I had my rent paid and I got £70 per week. (after putting in over 30 years of work and contributing well over £100 per week in tax and NI in my last job) That was it. All living expenses, and expenses incurred in looking for work had to come out of that, no satellite, not even a phone, couldn't afford one. My cooker broke I couldn't afford another so had to cook on a camping stove for 18 of those Months! (I asked for a loan and was refused) but of course as some are quick to imply, I was well off. I pity those who are not well off then.[/p][/quote]?? Where did i say "all these people in York on benefits are on more money than the average worker" ?? I stated what i know about my daughter. Also a bit confused about you, you state you worked for 30 years , paid over £100 a week in tax and national insurance and yet had to get your rent paid? Surely you own your own home and have substantial savings? You must be really bad with money?[/p][/quote]I assumed that you would class yourself as an average worker, as it was you who claimed that your daughter who was on benefits earned more than your annual wage before tax. To be eligible for tax you need to earn approx £9500 per annum so it's not too far of a stretch to assume you work full time, therefore by implication you claim that those on benefits, (your Daughter being one of them) earn more than an average worker. As for me being bad with money, I'm not going into my personal circumstances in public here, but suffice to say that the stress of being unemployed, wrecked my marriage, (amongst other things) and ended with a costly but amicable settlement. Not everyone has a rosy time and lives in Utopia. What utter tosh to stand up and say or imply that those who are on benefits are better off than those who work hard for a living. (sure some unemployed do milk the system and abuse it, usually illegally. But should everyone have to be branded the same for the actions of a few? which is what a lot of comments on here seem to do) If it were even remotely the case that those on benefits were better off than an average worker then I think the unemployment figures would more than likely show something like 20 million out of work claiming benefits, not the current 2 million, and probably only a few million at work. Thecynic
  • Score: 6

12:27pm Mon 26 May 14

Thecynic says...

Apologies for the double post, but I neglected to say that yes, I am now in a comfortable position with substantial savings. However I will never forget how hard those lean times on benefits were, and I will never again look down on someone or make ill informed opinions about them just because they are on benefits - Unless I am aware of their facts and situation. Although there are some who I would dearly love to see having to survive, (and I don't use the word lightly) on benefits, I would not wish it on my worst enemy!
Apologies for the double post, but I neglected to say that yes, I am now in a comfortable position with substantial savings. However I will never forget how hard those lean times on benefits were, and I will never again look down on someone or make ill informed opinions about them just because they are on benefits - Unless I am aware of their facts and situation. Although there are some who I would dearly love to see having to survive, (and I don't use the word lightly) on benefits, I would not wish it on my worst enemy! Thecynic
  • Score: 4

7:23pm Mon 26 May 14

Cheeky face says...

Some going to Citizens Advice are needy. Others are going who cannot manage their finances. Is schooling at fault - why not money management in the last year of schooling?
I have seen people collect unemployment pay - go to bookies- buy the latest gadget - and then go to the food bank. Abuse is rife to a small percentage of unemployed.

Just a thought - an armed service person gets a small pension after quite a lot of years service fighting for us. Some MPs get caught fiddling expenses and get a better pension than them - after very few years MP service. Is that fair?

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Some going to Citizens Advice are needy. Others are going who cannot manage their finances. Is schooling at fault - why not money management in the last year of schooling? I have seen people collect unemployment pay - go to bookies- buy the latest gadget - and then go to the food bank. Abuse is rife to a small percentage of unemployed. Just a thought - an armed service person gets a small pension after quite a lot of years service fighting for us. Some MPs get caught fiddling expenses and get a better pension than them - after very few years MP service. Is that fair? . Cheeky face
  • Score: 4

5:01pm Wed 28 May 14

CaroleBaines says...

Some pretty gross generalisations on here and attacking people who do voluntary work for CAB seems particularly insidious. Come on people - you should be better than this. What about those on benefits who have paid into the system and suddenly have a stroke? Or become unemployed? Or have to look after a terminally ill spouse? The system is a safety net for most, there are some who abuse it, but lets not fall for the rubbish the Daily Mail spews into the gutter.
Some pretty gross generalisations on here and attacking people who do voluntary work for CAB seems particularly insidious. Come on people - you should be better than this. What about those on benefits who have paid into the system and suddenly have a stroke? Or become unemployed? Or have to look after a terminally ill spouse? The system is a safety net for most, there are some who abuse it, but lets not fall for the rubbish the Daily Mail spews into the gutter. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 2

2:07pm Thu 29 May 14

Y.I.P. says...

I think the benefit problem really is the lazy lot between 17 and 25 make them work for their benefit before we lose a generation of workers
I think the benefit problem really is the lazy lot between 17 and 25 make them work for their benefit before we lose a generation of workers Y.I.P.
  • Score: 2

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