Council bosses' holiday leave to be cut

York Press: Council bosses' holiday leave to be cut Council bosses' holiday leave to be cut

EYEBROWS have been raised after it emerged York's most senior council officials have each been enjoying nearly eight weeks annual leave.

The city has been among the most generous in the country to its top officials, according to a report going before councillors on Monday.

All 17 staff of chief officer rank at City of York Council have been receiving 34 days annual leave, rising to 39 days after five years' service – plus the eight public holidays a year.

National guidelines for local government staffing arrangements say chief officers should get a minimum entitlement of 30 days.

Other council staff in York are entitled to 24 days' leave a year, increasing to 29 after five years' service.

In a report to today's meeting, Mark Bennett, the council’s head of business HR, says: “Leave arrangements in other Local Authorities vary significantly.

“However, information obtained from other local authorities suggest that the council does provide more annual leave for chief officers than some other local authorities.”

It is being recommended to cut the entitlement to 30 days for those with less than five years service and 35 for the longer serving chief officers - a reduction of four days.

Chief officers have agreed for this to take effect from the start of their next annual leave year, and councillors are asked to approve the change on Monday.

John O'Connell, director of the Taxpayers’ Alliance, said: "Taxpayers are right to be angry at the generous holiday allowance council top-brass have granted themselves.

“With council tax going up this year, York residents expect their officials to be working hard for their salaries, not taking so much time off over the year.

“Bosses should be ashamed at this waste of taxpayers’ cash and bring their leave back into line with their junior employees."

Cllr Dafydd Williams, council cabinet member for finance, said: “It is right that the council reduces this holiday allowance in consultation with those staff affected.

“But it should be noted that chief officers, of which there are fewer than under previous administrations, are expected to work significantly longer hours than other staff within their contractual terms.

“They also work for amongst the lowest levels of pay for people at their level in the country.”

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5:36pm Sun 11 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

“They also work for amongst the lowest levels of pay for people at their level in the country.”

Did dafyd Williams really say that??? Is he really a Labour Party man??? I would have thought a true labour man would be fighting to reduce these holidays AND obscene wage packets!!!

These officers are on well over 100K and is it true they reduced Paul edmundson jones holidays from 39 to 35 BUT gave him a whopping big pay rise to compensate!! Did someone mention austere times? And poverty??
“They also work for amongst the lowest levels of pay for people at their level in the country.” Did dafyd Williams really say that??? Is he really a Labour Party man??? I would have thought a true labour man would be fighting to reduce these holidays AND obscene wage packets!!! These officers are on well over 100K and is it true they reduced Paul edmundson jones holidays from 39 to 35 BUT gave him a whopping big pay rise to compensate!! Did someone mention austere times? And poverty?? oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -63

5:39pm Sun 11 May 14

jibber jabber says...

This explains why little jimmy's been so useless, part-time leader on a full time wage. Anybody else feel like they've had their pants pulled down?!
This explains why little jimmy's been so useless, part-time leader on a full time wage. Anybody else feel like they've had their pants pulled down?! jibber jabber
  • Score: -66

6:19pm Sun 11 May 14

piaggio1 says...

Snouts/trough. God there all at it.and why is the YCC van still parked up at barmby ont marsh. It wer this mornin. (Sun). God I hope taxpayer's are NOT payin his/her deisel cost to travell every day into york.
Snouts/trough. God there all at it.and why is the YCC van still parked up at barmby ont marsh. It wer this mornin. (Sun). God I hope taxpayer's are NOT payin his/her deisel cost to travell every day into york. piaggio1
  • Score: -59

6:42pm Sun 11 May 14

TheTruthHurts says...

8 weeks, unbelievable.

Start looking at their pensions next as these are well above the norm too.
8 weeks, unbelievable. Start looking at their pensions next as these are well above the norm too. TheTruthHurts
  • Score: -92

6:43pm Sun 11 May 14

Cheeky face says...

These employees also get massive pensions; based on those salaries.

Most ruin of the mill employees do more than their contractual hours.

Can we have an independent financial appraisal on each officer over £65k.

I bet they .get first class travel and massive travel and subsistence. At the same time many ordinary people have to use food banks.

No further comments - I am feeling cheated!
These employees also get massive pensions; based on those salaries. Most ruin of the mill employees do more than their contractual hours. Can we have an independent financial appraisal on each officer over £65k. I bet they .get first class travel and massive travel and subsistence. At the same time many ordinary people have to use food banks. No further comments - I am feeling cheated! Cheeky face
  • Score: -156

6:58pm Sun 11 May 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

“They also work for amongst the lowest levels of pay for people at their level in the country.'

A Labour comment ! They stopped representing the working man when they became New Labour. About time the people woke up.
“They also work for amongst the lowest levels of pay for people at their level in the country.' A Labour comment ! They stopped representing the working man when they became New Labour. About time the people woke up. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -90

7:28pm Sun 11 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
8 weeks, unbelievable. Start looking at their pensions next as these are well above the norm too.
The Chief Executive's salary is allegedly £137,500, plus £25,000 is paid into her pension.

There is also a clear conflict of interest, as she is a trustee of dubious charity Nesta, and regularly attends their events around the country, whilst simultaneously doing her day job, which cannot be right.

In addition there is her overseas travel, which the council have been uncooperative about disclosing in responses to FOI requests.

This is scandalous, and all needs to be thoroughly investigated, so that York citizens can judge whether or not there is an abuse of the system?
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: 8 weeks, unbelievable. Start looking at their pensions next as these are well above the norm too.[/p][/quote]The Chief Executive's salary is allegedly £137,500, plus £25,000 is paid into her pension. There is also a clear conflict of interest, as she is a trustee of dubious charity Nesta, and regularly attends their events around the country, whilst simultaneously doing her day job, which cannot be right. In addition there is her overseas travel, which the council have been uncooperative about disclosing in responses to FOI requests. This is scandalous, and all needs to be thoroughly investigated, so that York citizens can judge whether or not there is an abuse of the system? Badgers Drift
  • Score: -55

8:12pm Sun 11 May 14

nearlyman says...

................unbe
lievable !...................
....someone please justify this............they are just ripping it !
................unbe lievable !................... ....someone please justify this............they are just ripping it ! nearlyman
  • Score: -29

8:37pm Sun 11 May 14

Dr Brian says...

Perhaps the whole lot of them from that useless Chief Executive and the rest of the top team should be sacked and a new team set up on lower salaries and a normal 5 weeks holiday - like most other people.Cmon Kersten England start a review on your job and the rest of the senior team - earn your money sack yourself and the rest of the leeches who we pay our council tax to fund!
Perhaps the whole lot of them from that useless Chief Executive and the rest of the top team should be sacked and a new team set up on lower salaries and a normal 5 weeks holiday - like most other people.Cmon Kersten England start a review on your job and the rest of the senior team - earn your money sack yourself and the rest of the leeches who we pay our council tax to fund! Dr Brian
  • Score: -14

9:00pm Sun 11 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Here are some more details of Kersten England's cost to the tax-payer:-

Taken from CYC's website:
Senior Officers Expenses;
Kersten England; Chief Executive
Rail travel (79 no), flights (3 no) and accommodation (4 no)
April 2013 to March 2014 inclusive
Total £5,569.96

Another small fortune!
Here are some more details of Kersten England's cost to the tax-payer:- Taken from CYC's website: Senior Officers Expenses; Kersten England; Chief Executive Rail travel (79 no), flights (3 no) and accommodation (4 no) April 2013 to March 2014 inclusive Total £5,569.96 Another small fortune! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -88

9:20pm Sun 11 May 14

piaggio1 says...

9, 20pm....the mark down a***hole has been at it again.
Press..get this sorted .
9, 20pm....the mark down a***hole has been at it again. Press..get this sorted . piaggio1
  • Score: -127

9:41pm Sun 11 May 14

pault42 says...

Ah, this could explain why we haven't heard the usually verbose and patronising Alexander or his colleagues (read cronies) on Radio York lately. Or perhaps its because they're embarrased. Sorry how stupid of me, ask any of them and they would admit no embarassment, they don't know the word. Yet again another example of what these bloated windbags think of their voters, never mind the ones who vote against them.

I have no hope for this proud city while this wholesale abuse of power is happening. I'm no expert but is there no way to force a vote of no confidence in a 'allegedly' corrupt council? What about setting up a petition for a debate in parliament? People in this city are being trodden on, this is not representation of the people, but oppression of the people.

HELP!!

ps - to the score muppet, don't disappoint me on this, I expect at least a score of -150 and maybe even more, muppet.
Ah, this could explain why we haven't heard the usually verbose and patronising Alexander or his colleagues (read cronies) on Radio York lately. Or perhaps its because they're embarrased. Sorry how stupid of me, ask any of them and they would admit no embarassment, they don't know the word. Yet again another example of what these bloated windbags think of their voters, never mind the ones who vote against them. I have no hope for this proud city while this wholesale abuse of power is happening. I'm no expert but is there no way to force a vote of no confidence in a 'allegedly' corrupt council? What about setting up a petition for a debate in parliament? People in this city are being trodden on, this is not representation of the people, but oppression of the people. HELP!! ps - to the score muppet, don't disappoint me on this, I expect at least a score of -150 and maybe even more, muppet. pault42
  • Score: -316

10:16pm Sun 11 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

instead of marking down, why doesn't the mark down muppet come on here and join the debate? we all know its a york labour party member who knows a bit about I.T. and how to hack using google chrome ....

YORK LABOUR = CORRUPT
instead of marking down, why doesn't the mark down muppet come on here and join the debate? we all know its a york labour party member who knows a bit about I.T. and how to hack using google chrome .... YORK LABOUR = CORRUPT oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -46

11:21pm Sun 11 May 14

Dave Ruddock says...

Guess what folks stop paying for their wages, stop paying council tax . they (and thats, any council rip off the electorates who put them there) its the only ( organisation) thar is paid twice to achieve sod all , and they still complain, like the offices they attend "one big empty space "
Guess what folks stop paying for their wages, stop paying council tax . they (and thats, any council rip off the electorates who put them there) its the only ( organisation) thar is paid twice to achieve sod all , and they still complain, like the offices they attend "one big empty space " Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -88

12:55am Mon 12 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Here are some more details of Kersten England's cost to the tax-payer:- Taken from CYC's website: Senior Officers Expenses; Kersten England; Chief Executive Rail travel (79 no), flights (3 no) and accommodation (4 no) April 2013 to March 2014 inclusive Total £5,569.96 Another small fortune!
Further to the above.

According to the excellent blog by Steve Galloway, Kersten England was at the MIPIM shindig in Cannes in March this year......

.http://stevegallowa
y.mycouncillor.org.u
k/2014/03/28/york-co
uncil-spent-5747-on-
trip-to-cannes/

“Kersten England (CX) (2 night stay); Katie Stewart (Head of ED) and Andrew Sharp (Strategy and Investment Manager for ED) (both 4 night stays) attended.

Accommodation: £2,943.95

Travel: £2,653.24

According to City of York Council's website, Kersten England's travel expenses for March 2014 totalled only £316.10

An apportionment of the costs for KE's two nights in Cannes, amounts to around £1,472.

Why don't the Council's website costs include MIPIM?
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: Here are some more details of Kersten England's cost to the tax-payer:- Taken from CYC's website: Senior Officers Expenses; Kersten England; Chief Executive Rail travel (79 no), flights (3 no) and accommodation (4 no) April 2013 to March 2014 inclusive Total £5,569.96 Another small fortune![/p][/quote]Further to the above. According to the excellent blog by Steve Galloway, Kersten England was at the MIPIM shindig in Cannes in March this year...... .http://stevegallowa y.mycouncillor.org.u k/2014/03/28/york-co uncil-spent-5747-on- trip-to-cannes/ “Kersten England (CX) (2 night stay); Katie Stewart (Head of ED) and Andrew Sharp (Strategy and Investment Manager for ED) (both 4 night stays) attended. Accommodation: £2,943.95 Travel: £2,653.24 According to City of York Council's website, Kersten England's travel expenses for March 2014 totalled only £316.10 An apportionment of the costs for KE's two nights in Cannes, amounts to around £1,472. Why don't the Council's website costs include MIPIM? Badgers Drift
  • Score: -78

8:37am Mon 12 May 14

HoofHearteds says...

You can always count on a story relating to money and pay bringing out the envy rantings.
You can always count on a story relating to money and pay bringing out the envy rantings. HoofHearteds
  • Score: -10

8:39am Mon 12 May 14

Micklegate says...

Labour Cllr Williams says 'They also work for amongst the lowest levels of pay for people at their level in the country'.

Is it possible The Press could organise a whip round for these people struggling to get buy on £100,000 per annum?
Labour Cllr Williams says 'They also work for amongst the lowest levels of pay for people at their level in the country'. Is it possible The Press could organise a whip round for these people struggling to get buy on £100,000 per annum? Micklegate
  • Score: 9

8:50am Mon 12 May 14

HoofHearteds says...

Micklegate wrote:
Labour Cllr Williams says 'They also work for amongst the lowest levels of pay for people at their level in the country'.

Is it possible The Press could organise a whip round for these people struggling to get buy on £100,000 per annum?
Indeed! Cllr Giles is about to embark on a 12 month all expenses holiday as wait for it... Lord Mayor (Chortle). Selling a taxi plate for £66000 would ensure how many holidays for the low paid council workers of CYC?
You couldn't make it up.
[quote][p][bold]Micklegate[/bold] wrote: Labour Cllr Williams says 'They also work for amongst the lowest levels of pay for people at their level in the country'. Is it possible The Press could organise a whip round for these people struggling to get buy on £100,000 per annum?[/p][/quote]Indeed! Cllr Giles is about to embark on a 12 month all expenses holiday as wait for it... Lord Mayor (Chortle). Selling a taxi plate for £66000 would ensure how many holidays for the low paid council workers of CYC? You couldn't make it up. HoofHearteds
  • Score: 0

9:20am Mon 12 May 14

meme says...

Its frankly disgusting
They have meeting after meeting and then do v little yet get huge salaries/huge pensions/ and bounce from one council job to another when they have failed in the last one.
its a gravy train that MUST be stopped
The rumours are Ms England is looking for another job. Darren Richardson is going after less than 2 years in the job . B Wooley left after MX got planning.....why? Others are just serving their time
I don't object to big salaries IGF there are BIG results but that does not happen in York.
MIPIN is an example........off they go to the South of France where the elite of property meet and if they came back with something positive ...great....but of course they don't so just waste our money It makes my blood boil
,
Its frankly disgusting They have meeting after meeting and then do v little yet get huge salaries/huge pensions/ and bounce from one council job to another when they have failed in the last one. its a gravy train that MUST be stopped The rumours are Ms England is looking for another job. Darren Richardson is going after less than 2 years in the job . B Wooley left after MX got planning.....why? Others are just serving their time I don't object to big salaries IGF there are BIG results but that does not happen in York. MIPIN is an example........off they go to the South of France where the elite of property meet and if they came back with something positive ...great....but of course they don't so just waste our money It makes my blood boil , meme
  • Score: 10

9:30am Mon 12 May 14

Dave Ruddock says...

Sure sounds like Misuse of Public money, both ar so called wages and food/accommodation. and other departments stating cuts to PUBLIC Services, and the secret society of all parties, that dare not publish there spending of Tax Payers monies (trips, parties, second homes etc etc etc) if theses so called No Job wonders for loads of money, where to report to the Unemployment office, they wound get nothing, as for extended holidays, give them this offer "365 days a year" WITHOUT PAY". The rest of UK work force is 28 days average, a year.
Sure sounds like Misuse of Public money, both ar so called wages and food/accommodation. and other departments stating cuts to PUBLIC Services, and the secret society of all parties, that dare not publish there spending of Tax Payers monies (trips, parties, second homes etc etc etc) if theses so called No Job wonders for loads of money, where to report to the Unemployment office, they wound get nothing, as for extended holidays, give them this offer "365 days a year" WITHOUT PAY". The rest of UK work force is 28 days average, a year. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 7

11:53am Mon 12 May 14

ReginaldBiscuit says...

Think of this from another angle for a minute.

One of the reasons Genghis Khan was so successful was because he appointed dedicated professionals (with proven ability and merit) to make his organisation structure supremely efficient at what it did. The right people controlling the right people. HR Speak it may be but HR are very relevant to all of this.

Ask yourself this. How long does it take to get to know someone and their abilities and skills? Think further, many a serial killer has been thought of as a pillar of the community, outstanding, just a regular bloke or lady. The truth is, you just can't tell.

Many people hide behind fantastic CV's dressed up to make the person seem almost super-human and there's the rub. Most people are simply, well, ordinary. If your luck holds up and your invulnerabilities and weaknesses aren't exploited or highlighted or if you're reasonably good-looking, you'll go far in this life.

People of worth in this life are scientists who make discoveries, medical staff who save lives. soldiers who risk their life for yours or simply, people who care about others and not themselves.

So what has this got to do with 8 weeks holiday for senior people at the council? One word, worth. Most desk job senior managers are self-aggrandising egomaniacs. Paid for what others think of them, not for what they're worth hence 8 weeks holiday in this example.

By the way, any job seekers reading this. You should know your odds. Those application forms you fill in? The return you get on them isn't worth wasting your time for. At the end of your life, how will you feel about the lost hours spent filling in forms, hours that you cannot get back? Totally worthless? Another topic for another time though but it nicely brings me back to what I think of most overpaid senior managers.
Think of this from another angle for a minute. One of the reasons Genghis Khan was so successful was because he appointed dedicated professionals (with proven ability and merit) to make his organisation structure supremely efficient at what it did. The right people controlling the right people. HR Speak it may be but HR are very relevant to all of this. Ask yourself this. How long does it take to get to know someone and their abilities and skills? Think further, many a serial killer has been thought of as a pillar of the community, outstanding, just a regular bloke or lady. The truth is, you just can't tell. Many people hide behind fantastic CV's dressed up to make the person seem almost super-human and there's the rub. Most people are simply, well, ordinary. If your luck holds up and your invulnerabilities and weaknesses aren't exploited or highlighted or if you're reasonably good-looking, you'll go far in this life. People of worth in this life are scientists who make discoveries, medical staff who save lives. soldiers who risk their life for yours or simply, people who care about others and not themselves. So what has this got to do with 8 weeks holiday for senior people at the council? One word, worth. Most desk job senior managers are self-aggrandising egomaniacs. Paid for what others think of them, not for what they're worth hence 8 weeks holiday in this example. By the way, any job seekers reading this. You should know your odds. Those application forms you fill in? The return you get on them isn't worth wasting your time for. At the end of your life, how will you feel about the lost hours spent filling in forms, hours that you cannot get back? Totally worthless? Another topic for another time though but it nicely brings me back to what I think of most overpaid senior managers. ReginaldBiscuit
  • Score: 10

12:47pm Mon 12 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

meme wrote:
Its frankly disgusting They have meeting after meeting and then do v little yet get huge salaries/huge pensions/ and bounce from one council job to another when they have failed in the last one. its a gravy train that MUST be stopped The rumours are Ms England is looking for another job. Darren Richardson is going after less than 2 years in the job . B Wooley left after MX got planning.....why? Others are just serving their time I don't object to big salaries IGF there are BIG results but that does not happen in York. MIPIN is an example........off they go to the South of France where the elite of property meet and if they came back with something positive ...great....but of course they don't so just waste our money It makes my blood boil ,
Exactly right!

There appears to be a lack of measurement of what these people and the expensive trips all over the UK and abroad, actually achieve.

The truth is, there is usually only measurement when there is something positive to report, or they have been forced to do a report, and then they spin and bluster about the 'potential benefits', 'outputs', 'connections', 'interest', which you then hear nothing further about.

Many of the meetings are pointless. Many are political talking shops, back slapping exercises, and networking exercises aimed at nothing tangible.

It's time that every trip was followed up with justification, purpose, and what it achieved.

Kersten England's frequent attendandances at Nesta events must be questioned, as if they are for the benefit of York, then why aren't council managers relevant to the 'theme' of the event attending? The truth is, these are Nesta events, aimed at promoting Nesta, and Kersten England just happens to be a trustee of Nesta, and it appears that she is using council time for the benefit of this dubious politicised charity. It's time that this was looked into, and the Press took interest and asked questions, rather than avoiding the matter by not publishing letters on the issue!
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: Its frankly disgusting They have meeting after meeting and then do v little yet get huge salaries/huge pensions/ and bounce from one council job to another when they have failed in the last one. its a gravy train that MUST be stopped The rumours are Ms England is looking for another job. Darren Richardson is going after less than 2 years in the job . B Wooley left after MX got planning.....why? Others are just serving their time I don't object to big salaries IGF there are BIG results but that does not happen in York. MIPIN is an example........off they go to the South of France where the elite of property meet and if they came back with something positive ...great....but of course they don't so just waste our money It makes my blood boil ,[/p][/quote]Exactly right! There appears to be a lack of measurement of what these people and the expensive trips all over the UK and abroad, actually achieve. The truth is, there is usually only measurement when there is something positive to report, or they have been forced to do a report, and then they spin and bluster about the 'potential benefits', 'outputs', 'connections', 'interest', which you then hear nothing further about. Many of the meetings are pointless. Many are political talking shops, back slapping exercises, and networking exercises aimed at nothing tangible. It's time that every trip was followed up with justification, purpose, and what it achieved. Kersten England's frequent attendandances at Nesta events must be questioned, as if they are for the benefit of York, then why aren't council managers relevant to the 'theme' of the event attending? The truth is, these are Nesta events, aimed at promoting Nesta, and Kersten England just happens to be a trustee of Nesta, and it appears that she is using council time for the benefit of this dubious politicised charity. It's time that this was looked into, and the Press took interest and asked questions, rather than avoiding the matter by not publishing letters on the issue! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 9

1:18pm Mon 12 May 14

Ichabod76 says...

HoofHearteds wrote:
Micklegate wrote:
Labour Cllr Williams says 'They also work for amongst the lowest levels of pay for people at their level in the country'.

Is it possible The Press could organise a whip round for these people struggling to get buy on £100,000 per annum?
Indeed! Cllr Giles is about to embark on a 12 month all expenses holiday as wait for it... Lord Mayor (Chortle). Selling a taxi plate for £66000 would ensure how many holidays for the low paid council workers of CYC?
You couldn't make it up.
Is this the same 12 month all expenses holiday as Cllr Julie Gunnell is currently enjoying ?

also I've been told by a low paid council worker that those having their holiday allowance reduced from 39 days to 35 days a loss of 4 days, are being compensated with £12000, £3000 per day !
how many holidays for the low paid council workers of CYC would that pay for ?

I thing your jellous of Cllr Giles Selling his taxi plate for £66000 otherwise why would you keep bringing it up in un related stories ?
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Micklegate[/bold] wrote: Labour Cllr Williams says 'They also work for amongst the lowest levels of pay for people at their level in the country'. Is it possible The Press could organise a whip round for these people struggling to get buy on £100,000 per annum?[/p][/quote]Indeed! Cllr Giles is about to embark on a 12 month all expenses holiday as wait for it... Lord Mayor (Chortle). Selling a taxi plate for £66000 would ensure how many holidays for the low paid council workers of CYC? You couldn't make it up.[/p][/quote]Is this the same 12 month all expenses holiday as Cllr Julie Gunnell is currently enjoying ? also I've been told by a low paid council worker that those having their holiday allowance reduced from 39 days to 35 days a loss of 4 days, are being compensated with £12000, £3000 per day ! how many holidays for the low paid council workers of CYC would that pay for ? I thing your jellous of Cllr Giles Selling his taxi plate for £66000 otherwise why would you keep bringing it up in un related stories ? Ichabod76
  • Score: 3

1:51pm Mon 12 May 14

andy fowler says...

Alexander is more of a con artist than anyone in the history of York. He's probably in a tax scheme to avoid paying any the scum.
Alexander is more of a con artist than anyone in the history of York. He's probably in a tax scheme to avoid paying any the scum. andy fowler
  • Score: -44

2:50pm Mon 12 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

andy fowler wrote:
Alexander is more of a con artist than anyone in the history of York. He's probably in a tax scheme to avoid paying any the scum.
The tax scheme he is in, is called spending/wasting it - and when there isn't any left he (the council) borrows tens of £millions more for vanity projects, then complains about government cuts... ?!!!!

York is being shafted by Labour!
[quote][p][bold]andy fowler[/bold] wrote: Alexander is more of a con artist than anyone in the history of York. He's probably in a tax scheme to avoid paying any the scum.[/p][/quote]The tax scheme he is in, is called spending/wasting it - and when there isn't any left he (the council) borrows tens of £millions more for vanity projects, then complains about government cuts... ?!!!! York is being shafted by Labour! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -36

3:52pm Mon 12 May 14

bolero says...

Notice the vote rigging once again. The Press are not interested because if you read the `site terms` this sort of interference is in direct conflict with the conditions of usage and particularly Clause 5 of those terms. The Press must be aware and who the culprit is but refuse to take any action towards safeguarding their own integrity and credibility.
Notice the vote rigging once again. The Press are not interested because if you read the `site terms` this sort of interference is in direct conflict with the conditions of usage and particularly Clause 5 of those terms. The Press must be aware and who the culprit is but refuse to take any action towards safeguarding their own integrity and credibility. bolero
  • Score: -49

6:53pm Mon 12 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

piaggio1 wrote:
9, 20pm....the mark down a***hole has been at it again.
Press..get this sorted .
I wrote to the press:

I am an avid reader of the news articles on the press web site, and the comments associated with them.
However the "thumbs up" "thumbs down" facility which I assume is supposed to relate to how many agree or disagree with whatever issue is being discussed puzzles me in that there appears to be huge differentials for it to be a true reflection of opinion.
Quite a few commenters it would seem are of an opinion that the system is being abused by a third party or parties - to give the wrong impression - by vastly under scoring or over scoring comments on contentious topics, such as the recent Lendal Bridge issue for example.
Would it not be better for the Press to update its web site and remove this facility, or do they condone the practice of what is to me a blatant manipulation of the system in order to make topics look as though they have huge support or no support at all.

The press replied:

We are aware that this is being abused and mostly on stories concerning City of York Council. This service is provided to us by a central team that services all of the papers across the country that are owned by our parent company Newsquest. We are currently talking to them about this.

Regards
Steve Hughes
Editor
[quote][p][bold]piaggio1[/bold] wrote: 9, 20pm....the mark down a***hole has been at it again. Press..get this sorted .[/p][/quote]I wrote to the press: I am an avid reader of the news articles on the press web site, and the comments associated with them. However the "thumbs up" "thumbs down" facility which I assume is supposed to relate to how many agree or disagree with whatever issue is being discussed puzzles me in that there appears to be huge differentials for it to be a true reflection of opinion. Quite a few commenters it would seem are of an opinion that the system is being abused by a third party or parties - to give the wrong impression - by vastly under scoring or over scoring comments on contentious topics, such as the recent Lendal Bridge issue for example. Would it not be better for the Press to update its web site and remove this facility, or do they condone the practice of what is to me a blatant manipulation of the system in order to make topics look as though they have huge support or no support at all. The press replied: We are aware that this is being abused and mostly on stories concerning City of York Council. This service is provided to us by a central team that services all of the papers across the country that are owned by our parent company Newsquest. We are currently talking to them about this. Regards Steve Hughes Editor notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -63

7:56pm Mon 12 May 14

mike.......durkin says...

why do we pay more tax for them where we paying rent where its to high for poor famly like us...stop riping us off
why do we pay more tax for them where we paying rent where its to high for poor famly like us...stop riping us off mike.......durkin
  • Score: -92

8:10pm Mon 12 May 14

roy_batty says...

Can someone please clarify something for me? Recently in the past few months, did Paul Edmondson-Jones get a £12,000 p.a. pay rise to compensate a reduction in his holidays (39 down to 34)? . Did i also read around about the same time that children's services were being cut by £12,000?

I honestly feel like the current labour bunch are just now taking the **** out of me and the rest of the hard working residents who actually pay council tax!

And for Dafydd Wiiliams to say this “They also work for amongst the lowest levels of pay for people at their level in the country.” About people earning well over £100,000 p.a. just takes the biscuit!!
Can someone please clarify something for me? Recently in the past few months, did Paul Edmondson-Jones get a £12,000 p.a. pay rise to compensate a reduction in his holidays (39 down to 34)? . Did i also read around about the same time that children's services were being cut by £12,000? I honestly feel like the current labour bunch are just now taking the **** out of me and the rest of the hard working residents who actually pay council tax! And for Dafydd Wiiliams to say this “They also work for amongst the lowest levels of pay for people at their level in the country.” About people earning well over £100,000 p.a. just takes the biscuit!! roy_batty
  • Score: -92

8:12pm Mon 12 May 14

piaggio1 says...

Just remember. They are all in each others pockets this lot.the whole cabal is rotten to the core.most of em would not hold down a job in the private sector.sooo they have to look after each other.and continue to tell us. The paying public what a fantastic job they are doing.and as for tbe pension situation.. christ dont even go there. Your average city of york employee can.t get anywhere near the pot what this bunch are going to receive.
Reminds me of a particular church that ALLWAYS looks after its own........now that is another story. For another day perhaps....unless it all comes out ....iv.e said far too much
Just remember. They are all in each others pockets this lot.the whole cabal is rotten to the core.most of em would not hold down a job in the private sector.sooo they have to look after each other.and continue to tell us. The paying public what a fantastic job they are doing.and as for tbe pension situation.. christ dont even go there. Your average city of york employee can.t get anywhere near the pot what this bunch are going to receive. Reminds me of a particular church that ALLWAYS looks after its own........now that is another story. For another day perhaps....unless it all comes out ....iv.e said far too much piaggio1
  • Score: -63

8:33pm Mon 12 May 14

Benjamin the Ass says...

39 days holiday a year is a small price to pay for the hard working dedicated councillors where blessed with here in prosperous York. If the affluent council tax payers moan too much about our council leaders poor remittance they might not stay in York to improve the services of our fair city. If you want the best you have to pay for it. Its hard work filling in ones expenses sheets and having liquid lunches in Harkers dreaming up the next grandiose plan for York. So I for one would double my council tax to keep council team together, Although as a student living in an HMO I don't have to pay the tax but if I did I would gladly pay more.
39 days holiday a year is a small price to pay for the hard working dedicated councillors where blessed with here in prosperous York. If the affluent council tax payers moan too much about our council leaders poor remittance they might not stay in York to improve the services of our fair city. If you want the best you have to pay for it. Its hard work filling in ones expenses sheets and having liquid lunches in Harkers dreaming up the next grandiose plan for York. So I for one would double my council tax to keep council team together, Although as a student living in an HMO I don't have to pay the tax but if I did I would gladly pay more. Benjamin the Ass
  • Score: -73

9:25pm Mon 12 May 14

Cryptic says...

These people have been on 39 days' annual leave plus 8 days for public holidays? Forty-seven days of paid holidays each year? Fifty-two weeks each of 5 working days would be 260 days so that leaves 213 working days? Could someone work out how much per day that is for salary plus pension contribution for the top few earners? And how many times greater that is than the daily pay of a council worker on the living wage?
These people have been on 39 days' annual leave plus 8 days for public holidays? Forty-seven days of paid holidays each year? Fifty-two weeks each of 5 working days would be 260 days so that leaves 213 working days? Could someone work out how much per day that is for salary plus pension contribution for the top few earners? And how many times greater that is than the daily pay of a council worker on the living wage? Cryptic
  • Score: -48

11:35pm Mon 12 May 14

nearlyman says...

notpedallingpaul wrote:
piaggio1 wrote:
9, 20pm....the mark down a***hole has been at it again.
Press..get this sorted .
I wrote to the press:

I am an avid reader of the news articles on the press web site, and the comments associated with them.
However the "thumbs up" "thumbs down" facility which I assume is supposed to relate to how many agree or disagree with whatever issue is being discussed puzzles me in that there appears to be huge differentials for it to be a true reflection of opinion.
Quite a few commenters it would seem are of an opinion that the system is being abused by a third party or parties - to give the wrong impression - by vastly under scoring or over scoring comments on contentious topics, such as the recent Lendal Bridge issue for example.
Would it not be better for the Press to update its web site and remove this facility, or do they condone the practice of what is to me a blatant manipulation of the system in order to make topics look as though they have huge support or no support at all.

The press replied:

We are aware that this is being abused and mostly on stories concerning City of York Council. This service is provided to us by a central team that services all of the papers across the country that are owned by our parent company Newsquest. We are currently talking to them about this.

Regards
Steve Hughes
Editor
Halleluyah...or however it is spelled !.....but Mr Editor it needs stopping and perhaps you would be so good as to out the perpetrator ??...Could be so interesting ??
[quote][p][bold]notpedallingpaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]piaggio1[/bold] wrote: 9, 20pm....the mark down a***hole has been at it again. Press..get this sorted .[/p][/quote]I wrote to the press: I am an avid reader of the news articles on the press web site, and the comments associated with them. However the "thumbs up" "thumbs down" facility which I assume is supposed to relate to how many agree or disagree with whatever issue is being discussed puzzles me in that there appears to be huge differentials for it to be a true reflection of opinion. Quite a few commenters it would seem are of an opinion that the system is being abused by a third party or parties - to give the wrong impression - by vastly under scoring or over scoring comments on contentious topics, such as the recent Lendal Bridge issue for example. Would it not be better for the Press to update its web site and remove this facility, or do they condone the practice of what is to me a blatant manipulation of the system in order to make topics look as though they have huge support or no support at all. The press replied: We are aware that this is being abused and mostly on stories concerning City of York Council. This service is provided to us by a central team that services all of the papers across the country that are owned by our parent company Newsquest. We are currently talking to them about this. Regards Steve Hughes Editor[/p][/quote]Halleluyah...or however it is spelled !.....but Mr Editor it needs stopping and perhaps you would be so good as to out the perpetrator ??...Could be so interesting ?? nearlyman
  • Score: -52

11:37pm Mon 12 May 14

nearlyman says...

oh....and why do we need 17 chief officers ?? too many chiefs and not enough indians methinks.
oh....and why do we need 17 chief officers ?? too many chiefs and not enough indians methinks. nearlyman
  • Score: -57

7:03am Tue 13 May 14

rat scabies says...

nearlyman wrote:
oh....and why do we need 17 chief officers ?? too many chiefs and not enough indians methinks.
they should have a change of job title to chief parasite!

notice how the press have gagged people on the other story about the call out!

what this city needs is an enema!
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: oh....and why do we need 17 chief officers ?? too many chiefs and not enough indians methinks.[/p][/quote]they should have a change of job title to chief parasite! notice how the press have gagged people on the other story about the call out! what this city needs is an enema! rat scabies
  • Score: -33

10:44am Tue 13 May 14

bolero says...

rat scabies wrote:
nearlyman wrote:
oh....and why do we need 17 chief officers ?? too many chiefs and not enough indians methinks.
they should have a change of job title to chief parasite!

notice how the press have gagged people on the other story about the call out!

what this city needs is an enema!
I wonder if this is the answer to complaints about vote rigging. i.e.- don't invite comments at all. Perhaps alexander the great has issued an edict.
[quote][p][bold]rat scabies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: oh....and why do we need 17 chief officers ?? too many chiefs and not enough indians methinks.[/p][/quote]they should have a change of job title to chief parasite! notice how the press have gagged people on the other story about the call out! what this city needs is an enema![/p][/quote]I wonder if this is the answer to complaints about vote rigging. i.e.- don't invite comments at all. Perhaps alexander the great has issued an edict. bolero
  • Score: -63

12:52am Wed 14 May 14

powerwatt says...

Cryptic wrote:
These people have been on 39 days' annual leave plus 8 days for public holidays? Forty-seven days of paid holidays each year? Fifty-two weeks each of 5 working days would be 260 days so that leaves 213 working days? Could someone work out how much per day that is for salary plus pension contribution for the top few earners? And how many times greater that is than the daily pay of a council worker on the living wage?
It is only £634 a day for Kersten England.

I don't know how they cope on that, plus their pensions and expenses.

Living Wage is about £60 a day...
[quote][p][bold]Cryptic[/bold] wrote: These people have been on 39 days' annual leave plus 8 days for public holidays? Forty-seven days of paid holidays each year? Fifty-two weeks each of 5 working days would be 260 days so that leaves 213 working days? Could someone work out how much per day that is for salary plus pension contribution for the top few earners? And how many times greater that is than the daily pay of a council worker on the living wage?[/p][/quote]It is only £634 a day for Kersten England. I don't know how they cope on that, plus their pensions and expenses. Living Wage is about £60 a day... powerwatt
  • Score: -29

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