Tour de France cost fear leads to budget meetings

Tour de France cost fear leads to budget meetings

Tour de France cost fear leads to budget meetings

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YORK council chiefs are in talks about the costs of staging the Tour De France Grand Depart, amid reports that the bill is soaring above budget.

The cost of marshalling and managing the 2014 race in Yorkshire is said to have been underestimated by more than £2 million.

An internal report at Leeds City Council, which is overseeing the Yorkshire leg of the tour, said the contract for “event production,' including arrangements for traffic management, stewards, toilets, barriers, medical support and signage, is worth almost £4.5 million - £2.3 million more than originally budgeted for.

The report said the original estimate did not take account of the requirement to transport resources around the region and, due to the distances involved and the rural locations involved, the rates had significantly increased.

The shortfall is said to have left bosses scraping around to plug the shortfall just over three months before the event starts.

City of York Council is one of 11 partner councils to Leeds for the event in July, with an agreed budget of £1.6 million to contribute towards the costs.

Sally Burns, Director of Communities and Neighbourhoods, said yesterday that Leeds City Council was leading the central procurement on behalf of the local authorities involved in the delivery of the Tour de France.

"Discussions are on-going as to how the costs of the procured activities are to be allocated amongst partners and each council will need to make decisions, based on agreed budgets," she said.

"This process is still underway and therefore it is premature to comment further.”

The Tour de France Hub, the company set up to coordinate planning for the Grand Depart, said details outlined in the report represented a 'maximum level of prudent over-planning to ensure resources and infrastructure for the Tour de France are available, should they be needed to cater for all eventualities.'

A spokesman said there was no expectation such resources would need to be used in full in normal circumstances.

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9:05am Sat 22 Mar 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Needing some more money?

Well maybe expect a few more roads to be closed at peak times with only buses, taxis, Royal Mail vehicles, Council bin lorries, a road train and a few other privileged vehicles allowed passage along it. Oh, throw in a lot of misleading and insufficient signs along the way.

The money for any shortfall can easily be raised.
Needing some more money? Well maybe expect a few more roads to be closed at peak times with only buses, taxis, Royal Mail vehicles, Council bin lorries, a road train and a few other privileged vehicles allowed passage along it. Oh, throw in a lot of misleading and insufficient signs along the way. The money for any shortfall can easily be raised. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -26

9:16am Sat 22 Mar 14

TismeMrsP says...

Send the bill to Paul Hepworth/PP I'm sure he would like to contribute towards his cycling paradise
Send the bill to Paul Hepworth/PP I'm sure he would like to contribute towards his cycling paradise TismeMrsP
  • Score: -31

9:32am Sat 22 Mar 14

powerwatt says...

They should have gone to the TdF last year and seen how it is done in France. No barriers, marshalls are the people on the parade, no toilets. No nothing.

It's been working for them for many years too.

How about lets just be sensible and not go OTT on spending for spendings sake.
They should have gone to the TdF last year and seen how it is done in France. No barriers, marshalls are the people on the parade, no toilets. No nothing. It's been working for them for many years too. How about lets just be sensible and not go OTT on spending for spendings sake. powerwatt
  • Score: -28

10:33am Sat 22 Mar 14

bolero says...

Cycling and its add-ons are costing this city an absolute fortune. Meanwhile the motorist; who puts something back in; unlike the cyclist, has to put up with badly maintained roads and crazy restrictions. Is it too late to pull out of this Tour de Farce and let them go somewhere else?
Cycling and its add-ons are costing this city an absolute fortune. Meanwhile the motorist; who puts something back in; unlike the cyclist, has to put up with badly maintained roads and crazy restrictions. Is it too late to pull out of this Tour de Farce and let them go somewhere else? bolero
  • Score: -22

10:36am Sat 22 Mar 14

Thislittleold market town says...

What you really think wannabe politicians at the local level are able to keep to budget?,they are even worse than the tools in Westminster
What you really think wannabe politicians at the local level are able to keep to budget?,they are even worse than the tools in Westminster Thislittleold market town
  • Score: -36

10:58am Sat 22 Mar 14

Oyy you says...

Cancel it.......
Cancel it....... Oyy you
  • Score: -56

11:33am Sat 22 Mar 14

calmdownyork says...

What a non story. The headline refers to budget meetings, but the article says nothing about any such meetings. It infers there are budget shortfalls in York, but there's nothing in the article to suggest there are. This is the press trying to make a story out of a piece in the Yorkshire Post about Leeds. Useless journalism. Even if the event costs millions, the worldwide exposure for the city is priceless. Enjoy it.
What a non story. The headline refers to budget meetings, but the article says nothing about any such meetings. It infers there are budget shortfalls in York, but there's nothing in the article to suggest there are. This is the press trying to make a story out of a piece in the Yorkshire Post about Leeds. Useless journalism. Even if the event costs millions, the worldwide exposure for the city is priceless. Enjoy it. calmdownyork
  • Score: -110

11:55am Sat 22 Mar 14

TheTruthHurts says...

The press as usual hasnt really made the figures clear. The article implies that the currrent budget is 2.2million pounds of which YCC has contributed 1.6million pounds leaving the other ten 'partner councils' contributing just £600,000 between them. Surely this cant be right?
The press as usual hasnt really made the figures clear. The article implies that the currrent budget is 2.2million pounds of which YCC has contributed 1.6million pounds leaving the other ten 'partner councils' contributing just £600,000 between them. Surely this cant be right? TheTruthHurts
  • Score: 21

12:29pm Sat 22 Mar 14

marvell says...

People in positions of key responsibilities that are not fit for purpose. A shortfall of this magnitude points to incompetence on a grand scale.

There will come a point, if it hasn't been reached already where the return on investment is less than the cost. The so called benefits to the local economy are not boundless...
People in positions of key responsibilities that are not fit for purpose. A shortfall of this magnitude points to incompetence on a grand scale. There will come a point, if it hasn't been reached already where the return on investment is less than the cost. The so called benefits to the local economy are not boundless... marvell
  • Score: 13

2:16pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Frenchlife says...

I agree with power watt, let everybody enjoy the event. If you have never seen the TD F, I can assure you it is an event to be seen, make the most of it !
I agree with power watt, let everybody enjoy the event. If you have never seen the TD F, I can assure you it is an event to be seen, make the most of it ! Frenchlife
  • Score: 19

2:29pm Sat 22 Mar 14

bolero says...

Frenchlife wrote:
I agree with power watt, let everybody enjoy the event. If you have never seen the TD F, I can assure you it is an event to be seen, make the most of it !
I haven't watched paint dry either.
[quote][p][bold]Frenchlife[/bold] wrote: I agree with power watt, let everybody enjoy the event. If you have never seen the TD F, I can assure you it is an event to be seen, make the most of it ![/p][/quote]I haven't watched paint dry either. bolero
  • Score: -20

4:15pm Sat 22 Mar 14

pedalling paul says...

TismeMrsP wrote:
Send the bill to Paul Hepworth/PP I'm sure he would like to contribute towards his cycling paradise
Which of us would you prefer to receive it?
[quote][p][bold]TismeMrsP[/bold] wrote: Send the bill to Paul Hepworth/PP I'm sure he would like to contribute towards his cycling paradise[/p][/quote]Which of us would you prefer to receive it? pedalling paul
  • Score: 52

4:41pm Sat 22 Mar 14

bolero says...

pedalling paul wrote:
TismeMrsP wrote:
Send the bill to Paul Hepworth/PP I'm sure he would like to contribute towards his cycling paradise
Which of us would you prefer to receive it?
The one who uses the new cycle path on the outer ring road between Haxby and the Clifton Moor roundabout the most. Then we'd be due a refund.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TismeMrsP[/bold] wrote: Send the bill to Paul Hepworth/PP I'm sure he would like to contribute towards his cycling paradise[/p][/quote]Which of us would you prefer to receive it?[/p][/quote]The one who uses the new cycle path on the outer ring road between Haxby and the Clifton Moor roundabout the most. Then we'd be due a refund. bolero
  • Score: -67

6:14pm Sat 22 Mar 14

oldgoat says...

bolero wrote:
Cycling and its add-ons are costing this city an absolute fortune. Meanwhile the motorist; who puts something back in; unlike the cyclist, has to put up with badly maintained roads and crazy restrictions. Is it too late to pull out of this Tour de Farce and let them go somewhere else?
Oh, you mean the Vehicle Excise Duty? Doesn't pay for any roads any more, not since the 1930's....
Anyway, some of us cyclists pay it anyway. And no, I'm not one of those wanting the TdF here.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Cycling and its add-ons are costing this city an absolute fortune. Meanwhile the motorist; who puts something back in; unlike the cyclist, has to put up with badly maintained roads and crazy restrictions. Is it too late to pull out of this Tour de Farce and let them go somewhere else?[/p][/quote]Oh, you mean the Vehicle Excise Duty? Doesn't pay for any roads any more, not since the 1930's.... Anyway, some of us cyclists pay it anyway. And no, I'm not one of those wanting the TdF here. oldgoat
  • Score: 33

7:08pm Sat 22 Mar 14

bolero says...

oldgoat wrote:
bolero wrote:
Cycling and its add-ons are costing this city an absolute fortune. Meanwhile the motorist; who puts something back in; unlike the cyclist, has to put up with badly maintained roads and crazy restrictions. Is it too late to pull out of this Tour de Farce and let them go somewhere else?
Oh, you mean the Vehicle Excise Duty? Doesn't pay for any roads any more, not since the 1930's....
Anyway, some of us cyclists pay it anyway. And no, I'm not one of those wanting the TdF here.
And Fuel duty, Insurance, MOT. Parking fees. What do you pay apart from maintainance?
[quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Cycling and its add-ons are costing this city an absolute fortune. Meanwhile the motorist; who puts something back in; unlike the cyclist, has to put up with badly maintained roads and crazy restrictions. Is it too late to pull out of this Tour de Farce and let them go somewhere else?[/p][/quote]Oh, you mean the Vehicle Excise Duty? Doesn't pay for any roads any more, not since the 1930's.... Anyway, some of us cyclists pay it anyway. And no, I'm not one of those wanting the TdF here.[/p][/quote]And Fuel duty, Insurance, MOT. Parking fees. What do you pay apart from maintainance? bolero
  • Score: -33

9:24pm Sat 22 Mar 14

gjh says...

bolero wrote:
Cycling and its add-ons are costing this city an absolute fortune. Meanwhile the motorist; who puts something back in; unlike the cyclist, has to put up with badly maintained roads and crazy restrictions. Is it too late to pull out of this Tour de Farce and let them go somewhere else?
More cyclists on the roads means fewer cars. Fewer cars means less pollution, less damage to the highway fabric and more space for other users to travel. Surely car drivers should be thanking cyclists for saving them from total gridlock. Money spent to encourage more cycling is a good thing.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Cycling and its add-ons are costing this city an absolute fortune. Meanwhile the motorist; who puts something back in; unlike the cyclist, has to put up with badly maintained roads and crazy restrictions. Is it too late to pull out of this Tour de Farce and let them go somewhere else?[/p][/quote]More cyclists on the roads means fewer cars. Fewer cars means less pollution, less damage to the highway fabric and more space for other users to travel. Surely car drivers should be thanking cyclists for saving them from total gridlock. Money spent to encourage more cycling is a good thing. gjh
  • Score: -9

9:41pm Sat 22 Mar 14

bolero says...

gjh wrote:
bolero wrote:
Cycling and its add-ons are costing this city an absolute fortune. Meanwhile the motorist; who puts something back in; unlike the cyclist, has to put up with badly maintained roads and crazy restrictions. Is it too late to pull out of this Tour de Farce and let them go somewhere else?
More cyclists on the roads means fewer cars. Fewer cars means less pollution, less damage to the highway fabric and more space for other users to travel. Surely car drivers should be thanking cyclists for saving them from total gridlock. Money spent to encourage more cycling is a good thing.
Yes, thank you to those who are fit and able to cycle. If only.
[quote][p][bold]gjh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Cycling and its add-ons are costing this city an absolute fortune. Meanwhile the motorist; who puts something back in; unlike the cyclist, has to put up with badly maintained roads and crazy restrictions. Is it too late to pull out of this Tour de Farce and let them go somewhere else?[/p][/quote]More cyclists on the roads means fewer cars. Fewer cars means less pollution, less damage to the highway fabric and more space for other users to travel. Surely car drivers should be thanking cyclists for saving them from total gridlock. Money spent to encourage more cycling is a good thing.[/p][/quote]Yes, thank you to those who are fit and able to cycle. If only. bolero
  • Score: 0

10:55pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Hear that gurgling sound? It's the sound of taxpayer's money circling round the plughole.
Hear that gurgling sound? It's the sound of taxpayer's money circling round the plughole. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -12

11:16pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Silver says...

bolero wrote:
gjh wrote:
bolero wrote:
Cycling and its add-ons are costing this city an absolute fortune. Meanwhile the motorist; who puts something back in; unlike the cyclist, has to put up with badly maintained roads and crazy restrictions. Is it too late to pull out of this Tour de Farce and let them go somewhere else?
More cyclists on the roads means fewer cars. Fewer cars means less pollution, less damage to the highway fabric and more space for other users to travel. Surely car drivers should be thanking cyclists for saving them from total gridlock. Money spent to encourage more cycling is a good thing.
Yes, thank you to those who are fit and able to cycle. If only.
As a driver and someone who attempted to cycle around the city. Cyclists get a lot of respect from me, We've all heard the arguments of idiotic cyclists and motorists. These are the rare from the norm, I welcome this event but surely £2 million then originally thought to pay for this....surely someone should raise their hands up and just admit they made a mistake on the calculator? Ah but I'm expecting politicians to own up to their mistakes and yet I live in York, is anyone else sick of politicians not admitting they make mistakes and vowing to try not to make them again, whoops I live in York and forgot that isn't going to happen soon, Since we had the leaked email scam over Lendall Bridge off the labour party not wanting it to be seen as a pet project then throwing someone to the wolves cos of it
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gjh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Cycling and its add-ons are costing this city an absolute fortune. Meanwhile the motorist; who puts something back in; unlike the cyclist, has to put up with badly maintained roads and crazy restrictions. Is it too late to pull out of this Tour de Farce and let them go somewhere else?[/p][/quote]More cyclists on the roads means fewer cars. Fewer cars means less pollution, less damage to the highway fabric and more space for other users to travel. Surely car drivers should be thanking cyclists for saving them from total gridlock. Money spent to encourage more cycling is a good thing.[/p][/quote]Yes, thank you to those who are fit and able to cycle. If only.[/p][/quote]As a driver and someone who attempted to cycle around the city. Cyclists get a lot of respect from me, We've all heard the arguments of idiotic cyclists and motorists. These are the rare from the norm, I welcome this event but surely £2 million then originally thought to pay for this....surely someone should raise their hands up and just admit they made a mistake on the calculator? Ah but I'm expecting politicians to own up to their mistakes and yet I live in York, is anyone else sick of politicians not admitting they make mistakes and vowing to try not to make them again, whoops I live in York and forgot that isn't going to happen soon, Since we had the leaked email scam over Lendall Bridge off the labour party not wanting it to be seen as a pet project then throwing someone to the wolves cos of it Silver
  • Score: -7

10:13am Sun 23 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

bolero wrote:
oldgoat wrote:
bolero wrote:
Cycling and its add-ons are costing this city an absolute fortune. Meanwhile the motorist; who puts something back in; unlike the cyclist, has to put up with badly maintained roads and crazy restrictions. Is it too late to pull out of this Tour de Farce and let them go somewhere else?
Oh, you mean the Vehicle Excise Duty? Doesn't pay for any roads any more, not since the 1930's....
Anyway, some of us cyclists pay it anyway. And no, I'm not one of those wanting the TdF here.
And Fuel duty, Insurance, MOT. Parking fees. What do you pay apart from maintainance?
All of that has as much to do with the Tour de France as the lack of salt bins has to do with the Winter Olympics.
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: Cycling and its add-ons are costing this city an absolute fortune. Meanwhile the motorist; who puts something back in; unlike the cyclist, has to put up with badly maintained roads and crazy restrictions. Is it too late to pull out of this Tour de Farce and let them go somewhere else?[/p][/quote]Oh, you mean the Vehicle Excise Duty? Doesn't pay for any roads any more, not since the 1930's.... Anyway, some of us cyclists pay it anyway. And no, I'm not one of those wanting the TdF here.[/p][/quote]And Fuel duty, Insurance, MOT. Parking fees. What do you pay apart from maintainance?[/p][/quote]All of that has as much to do with the Tour de France as the lack of salt bins has to do with the Winter Olympics. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 15

4:53pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Alf Garnett says...

Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.
Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 21

8:09pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Alf Garnett wrote:
Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.
I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.[/p][/quote]I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -22

8:40am Mon 24 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.
I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.
Tax is not a retail model for goods and services.

I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget?

Have you never played Sim City?
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.[/p][/quote]I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.[/p][/quote]Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City? Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 2

10:15am Mon 24 Mar 14

alanyork says...

Frenchlife wrote:
I agree with power watt, let everybody enjoy the event. If you have never seen the TD F, I can assure you it is an event to be seen, make the most of it !
yeh, gee whiz all 20 seconds of it as they whoosh by --------------------
-----------
wow was that it !
[quote][p][bold]Frenchlife[/bold] wrote: I agree with power watt, let everybody enjoy the event. If you have never seen the TD F, I can assure you it is an event to be seen, make the most of it ![/p][/quote]yeh, gee whiz all 20 seconds of it as they whoosh by -------------------- ----------- wow was that it ! alanyork
  • Score: 2

10:58am Mon 24 Mar 14

again says...

Well I intend to enjoy the spectacle.

Let the miserable whingers do what they will!
Well I intend to enjoy the spectacle. Let the miserable whingers do what they will! again
  • Score: -4

12:37pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.
I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.
Tax is not a retail model for goods and services.

I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget?

Have you never played Sim City?
This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law.
What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand?
"Have you never played Sim City?"
No thanks, I have a life.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.[/p][/quote]I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.[/p][/quote]Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City?[/p][/quote]This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law. What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand? "Have you never played Sim City?" No thanks, I have a life. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 2

12:39pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

alanyork wrote:
Frenchlife wrote:
I agree with power watt, let everybody enjoy the event. If you have never seen the TD F, I can assure you it is an event to be seen, make the most of it !
yeh, gee whiz all 20 seconds of it as they whoosh by --------------------

-----------
wow was that it !
"Bread and circuses"
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Bread_and_c
ircuses
[quote][p][bold]alanyork[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Frenchlife[/bold] wrote: I agree with power watt, let everybody enjoy the event. If you have never seen the TD F, I can assure you it is an event to be seen, make the most of it ![/p][/quote]yeh, gee whiz all 20 seconds of it as they whoosh by -------------------- ----------- wow was that it ![/p][/quote]"Bread and circuses" http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Bread_and_c ircuses Pinza-C55
  • Score: 1

1:05pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.
I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.
Tax is not a retail model for goods and services.

I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget?

Have you never played Sim City?
This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law.
What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand?
"Have you never played Sim City?"
No thanks, I have a life.
And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.[/p][/quote]I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.[/p][/quote]Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City?[/p][/quote]This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law. What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand? "Have you never played Sim City?" No thanks, I have a life.[/p][/quote]And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand? Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

3:35pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.
I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.
Tax is not a retail model for goods and services.

I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget?

Have you never played Sim City?
This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law.
What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand?
"Have you never played Sim City?"
No thanks, I have a life.
And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?
I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it.
Suppose you explain?
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.[/p][/quote]I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.[/p][/quote]Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City?[/p][/quote]This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law. What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand? "Have you never played Sim City?" No thanks, I have a life.[/p][/quote]And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?[/p][/quote]I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it. Suppose you explain? Pinza-C55
  • Score: 2

4:57pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.
I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.
Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City?
This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law. What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand? "Have you never played Sim City?" No thanks, I have a life.
And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?
I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it. Suppose you explain?
Does he mean, you pay tax and get **** all back in return ?
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.[/p][/quote]I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.[/p][/quote]Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City?[/p][/quote]This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law. What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand? "Have you never played Sim City?" No thanks, I have a life.[/p][/quote]And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?[/p][/quote]I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it. Suppose you explain?[/p][/quote]Does he mean, you pay tax and get **** all back in return ? Badgers Drift
  • Score: 1

5:24pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.
I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.
Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City?
This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law. What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand? "Have you never played Sim City?" No thanks, I have a life.
And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?
I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it. Suppose you explain?
Does he mean, you pay tax and get **** all back in return ?
I've no idea.
In the thread "York's Planning And Transport Boss Quits" Buzzz posted this
"Who the fook cares? Are you all teenagers on fakebook? Are likes so important? Like, OMG it's a conspirazzzy they is like faking up teh likes and ting.
Y'all are quaking about some stupid script like it's a real person, you even give it a timetable and man-hours.
I is like bere lolz. Yesssssiiii!"
So I doubt I will ever be able to fully comprehend his take on the English language.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.[/p][/quote]I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.[/p][/quote]Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City?[/p][/quote]This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law. What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand? "Have you never played Sim City?" No thanks, I have a life.[/p][/quote]And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?[/p][/quote]I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it. Suppose you explain?[/p][/quote]Does he mean, you pay tax and get **** all back in return ?[/p][/quote]I've no idea. In the thread "York's Planning And Transport Boss Quits" Buzzz posted this "Who the fook cares? Are you all teenagers on fakebook? Are likes so important? Like, OMG it's a conspirazzzy they is like faking up teh likes and ting. Y'all are quaking about some stupid script like it's a real person, you even give it a timetable and man-hours. I is like bere lolz. Yesssssiiii!" So I doubt I will ever be able to fully comprehend his take on the English language. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 1

8:05pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.
I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.
Tax is not a retail model for goods and services.

I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget?

Have you never played Sim City?
This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law.
What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand?
"Have you never played Sim City?"
No thanks, I have a life.
And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?
I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it.
Suppose you explain?
You know one of the things I like about the Press letters page is when people write in and put their name to an admission of ignorance or stupidity. It's like a morbid fascination, like rubbernecking a car crash.

So you can imagine how your post makes me laugh.
I've given you examples (firemen, salt bins, libraries) and the sentence "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" itself is easy enough to understand (did a straw poll earlier, everyone knew what I was on about)

Maybe you're being deliberately obtuse?
I hope so.

In the interest of fairness I asked my very young nephew to give an explanation for the hard of understanding, here is what he said -

"We have to pay taxes. But it's not like a shop or owt, we pay it and they choose what it's spent on, not us. It's not fair but we can't do anything about it."

Not sure whether to be proud of my nephew or disappointed with you.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.[/p][/quote]I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.[/p][/quote]Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City?[/p][/quote]This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law. What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand? "Have you never played Sim City?" No thanks, I have a life.[/p][/quote]And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?[/p][/quote]I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it. Suppose you explain?[/p][/quote]You know one of the things I like about the Press letters page is when people write in and put their name to an admission of ignorance or stupidity. It's like a morbid fascination, like rubbernecking a car crash. So you can imagine how your post makes me laugh. I've given you examples (firemen, salt bins, libraries) and the sentence "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" itself is easy enough to understand (did a straw poll earlier, everyone knew what I was on about) Maybe you're being deliberately obtuse? I hope so. In the interest of fairness I asked my very young nephew to give an explanation for the hard of understanding, here is what he said - "We have to pay taxes. But it's not like a shop or owt, we pay it and they choose what it's spent on, not us. It's not fair but we can't do anything about it." Not sure whether to be proud of my nephew or disappointed with you. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -1

8:09pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.
I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.
Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City?
This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law. What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand? "Have you never played Sim City?" No thanks, I have a life.
And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?
I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it. Suppose you explain?
Does he mean, you pay tax and get **** all back in return ?
I've no idea.
In the thread "York's Planning And Transport Boss Quits" Buzzz posted this
"Who the fook cares? Are you all teenagers on fakebook? Are likes so important? Like, OMG it's a conspirazzzy they is like faking up teh likes and ting.
Y'all are quaking about some stupid script like it's a real person, you even give it a timetable and man-hours.
I is like bere lolz. Yesssssiiii!"
So I doubt I will ever be able to fully comprehend his take on the English language.
Yes I doubt it too and that makes me feel sorry for you. You are lacking language ability.
It's called "code switching"
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.[/p][/quote]I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.[/p][/quote]Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City?[/p][/quote]This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law. What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand? "Have you never played Sim City?" No thanks, I have a life.[/p][/quote]And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?[/p][/quote]I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it. Suppose you explain?[/p][/quote]Does he mean, you pay tax and get **** all back in return ?[/p][/quote]I've no idea. In the thread "York's Planning And Transport Boss Quits" Buzzz posted this "Who the fook cares? Are you all teenagers on fakebook? Are likes so important? Like, OMG it's a conspirazzzy they is like faking up teh likes and ting. Y'all are quaking about some stupid script like it's a real person, you even give it a timetable and man-hours. I is like bere lolz. Yesssssiiii!" So I doubt I will ever be able to fully comprehend his take on the English language.[/p][/quote]Yes I doubt it too and that makes me feel sorry for you. You are lacking language ability. It's called "code switching" Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

8:19pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.
I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.
Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City?
This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law. What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand? "Have you never played Sim City?" No thanks, I have a life.
And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?
I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it. Suppose you explain?
Does he mean, you pay tax and get **** all back in return ?
I think it might have meant "Hey look at you and your many bans and new names, your friend Matthew doesn't like anonymous posting, he thinks it's cowardly. Yet he's happy to have you supporting him here every day. Here was your chance to come out of the closet and admit who you are but you didn't, you anonymous coward. And ting."
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.[/p][/quote]I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.[/p][/quote]Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City?[/p][/quote]This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law. What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand? "Have you never played Sim City?" No thanks, I have a life.[/p][/quote]And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?[/p][/quote]I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it. Suppose you explain?[/p][/quote]Does he mean, you pay tax and get **** all back in return ?[/p][/quote]I think it might have meant "Hey look at you and your many bans and new names, your friend Matthew doesn't like anonymous posting, he thinks it's cowardly. Yet he's happy to have you supporting him here every day. Here was your chance to come out of the closet and admit who you are but you didn't, you anonymous coward. And ting." Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

8:37pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.
I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.
Tax is not a retail model for goods and services.

I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget?

Have you never played Sim City?
This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law.
What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand?
"Have you never played Sim City?"
No thanks, I have a life.
And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?
I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it.
Suppose you explain?
You know one of the things I like about the Press letters page is when people write in and put their name to an admission of ignorance or stupidity. It's like a morbid fascination, like rubbernecking a car crash.

So you can imagine how your post makes me laugh.
I've given you examples (firemen, salt bins, libraries) and the sentence "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" itself is easy enough to understand (did a straw poll earlier, everyone knew what I was on about)

Maybe you're being deliberately obtuse?
I hope so.

In the interest of fairness I asked my very young nephew to give an explanation for the hard of understanding, here is what he said -

"We have to pay taxes. But it's not like a shop or owt, we pay it and they choose what it's spent on, not us. It's not fair but we can't do anything about it."

Not sure whether to be proud of my nephew or disappointed with you.
"You know one of the things I like about the Press letters page is when people write in and put their name to an admission of ignorance or stupidity."
It's not ignorance to say that I don't understand what you are talking about Buzzz; I sometimes think of you on the lines of "1000 monkeys and 1000 typewriters" - eventually something meaningful will emerge if I wait long enough and can interpret it correctly.
"So you can imagine how your post makes me laugh. I've given you examples (firemen, salt bins, libraries) and the sentence "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" itself is easy enough to understand "
Apparently you have some knowledge that the Internet lacks? I understand the principle of your explanation of the phrase but the phrase itself seems to be something of your own invention?
"(did a straw poll earlier, everyone knew what I was on about)"
Well whoopedy doo, the people in your local pub agreed with you, probably in the hope of getting some peace and quiet?
"In the interest of fairness I asked my very young nephew to give an explanation for the hard of understanding, here is what he said - "We have to pay taxes. But it's not like a shop or owt, we pay it and they choose what it's spent on, not us. It's not fair but we can't do anything about it."
I genuinely sympathise with your real or imagined nephew for sharing your DNA, however I refer you to my earlier post "This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law."
As your "nephew" said "It's not fair but we can't do anything about it"
Are you being voluntarily obtuse?
"Not sure whether to be proud of my nephew or disappointed with you."
If your nephew exists you can be proud of him for understanding you; its a considerable achievement.
Your opinion of me doesn't trouble me one bit.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.[/p][/quote]I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.[/p][/quote]Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City?[/p][/quote]This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law. What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand? "Have you never played Sim City?" No thanks, I have a life.[/p][/quote]And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?[/p][/quote]I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it. Suppose you explain?[/p][/quote]You know one of the things I like about the Press letters page is when people write in and put their name to an admission of ignorance or stupidity. It's like a morbid fascination, like rubbernecking a car crash. So you can imagine how your post makes me laugh. I've given you examples (firemen, salt bins, libraries) and the sentence "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" itself is easy enough to understand (did a straw poll earlier, everyone knew what I was on about) Maybe you're being deliberately obtuse? I hope so. In the interest of fairness I asked my very young nephew to give an explanation for the hard of understanding, here is what he said - "We have to pay taxes. But it's not like a shop or owt, we pay it and they choose what it's spent on, not us. It's not fair but we can't do anything about it." Not sure whether to be proud of my nephew or disappointed with you.[/p][/quote]"You know one of the things I like about the Press letters page is when people write in and put their name to an admission of ignorance or stupidity." It's not ignorance to say that I don't understand what you are talking about Buzzz; I sometimes think of you on the lines of "1000 monkeys and 1000 typewriters" - eventually something meaningful will emerge if I wait long enough and can interpret it correctly. "So you can imagine how your post makes me laugh. I've given you examples (firemen, salt bins, libraries) and the sentence "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" itself is easy enough to understand " Apparently you have some knowledge that the Internet lacks? I understand the principle of your explanation of the phrase but the phrase itself seems to be something of your own invention? "(did a straw poll earlier, everyone knew what I was on about)" Well whoopedy doo, the people in your local pub agreed with you, probably in the hope of getting some peace and quiet? "In the interest of fairness I asked my very young nephew to give an explanation for the hard of understanding, here is what he said - "We have to pay taxes. But it's not like a shop or owt, we pay it and they choose what it's spent on, not us. It's not fair but we can't do anything about it." I genuinely sympathise with your real or imagined nephew for sharing your DNA, however I refer you to my earlier post "This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law." As your "nephew" said "It's not fair but we can't do anything about it" Are you being voluntarily obtuse? "Not sure whether to be proud of my nephew or disappointed with you." If your nephew exists you can be proud of him for understanding you; its a considerable achievement. Your opinion of me doesn't trouble me one bit. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -2

8:56pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.
I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.
Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City?
This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law. What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand? "Have you never played Sim City?" No thanks, I have a life.
And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?
I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it. Suppose you explain?
Does he mean, you pay tax and get **** all back in return ?
I've no idea.
In the thread "York's Planning And Transport Boss Quits" Buzzz posted this
"Who the fook cares? Are you all teenagers on fakebook? Are likes so important? Like, OMG it's a conspirazzzy they is like faking up teh likes and ting.
Y'all are quaking about some stupid script like it's a real person, you even give it a timetable and man-hours.
I is like bere lolz. Yesssssiiii!"
So I doubt I will ever be able to fully comprehend his take on the English language.
Yes I doubt it too and that makes me feel sorry for you. You are lacking language ability.
It's called "code switching"
"Code switching"? Ha ha ha. More like a heavy handed attempt at trying to sound like a Jamaican. I've worked with Jamaicans in London and they would call you a "Bloodclaat".
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Don't want the TdF ? Don't watch it.[/p][/quote]I don't care a jot about whether the TDF happens or not. As a taxpayer I don't want to contribute a single penny towards it though.[/p][/quote]Tax is not a retail model for goods and services. I'm not interested in borrowing books, dressing up as a Viking, talking politics at the Barbican, I've never set fire to my house or slipped on ice, how do I get a rebate from the libraries, Viking Festival, LibDem conference, fire precept and salt bin budget? Have you never played Sim City?[/p][/quote]This is being funded by the taxpayer, including me. I have no interest in watching people cycle nor do I wish to contribute money involuntarily towards such an event. However I am compelled to do this by law. What part of "I don't like this" don't you understand? "Have you never played Sim City?" No thanks, I have a life.[/p][/quote]And what part of "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" don't you understand?[/p][/quote]I understand each of the words in the phrase "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" but I don't understand what you mean by the phrase. I have Searched using the phrase but even though the Google servers have searched the entire Internet they haven't found it. Suppose you explain?[/p][/quote]Does he mean, you pay tax and get **** all back in return ?[/p][/quote]I've no idea. In the thread "York's Planning And Transport Boss Quits" Buzzz posted this "Who the fook cares? Are you all teenagers on fakebook? Are likes so important? Like, OMG it's a conspirazzzy they is like faking up teh likes and ting. Y'all are quaking about some stupid script like it's a real person, you even give it a timetable and man-hours. I is like bere lolz. Yesssssiiii!" So I doubt I will ever be able to fully comprehend his take on the English language.[/p][/quote]Yes I doubt it too and that makes me feel sorry for you. You are lacking language ability. It's called "code switching"[/p][/quote]"Code switching"? Ha ha ha. More like a heavy handed attempt at trying to sound like a Jamaican. I've worked with Jamaicans in London and they would call you a "Bloodclaat". Pinza-C55
  • Score: -1

8:47am Tue 25 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

:-D Do you even know what that word means? You sound like Cameron... "Actually one of my friends is a black man"

"Fook" - faux northern.
"Like OMG" - teenspeak
"They is like faking up" - urban, London
"Teh likes" - internet lingo
"And ting" - yep Jamaican
"Y'all are quaking" - American
"Bere Lolz" - York teenspeak

Code switching.


BTW no need to be getting all personal and nasty, debate can be civil you know.
:-D Do you even know what that word means? You sound like Cameron... "Actually one of my friends is a black man" "Fook" - faux northern. "Like OMG" - teenspeak "They is like faking up" - urban, London "Teh likes" - internet lingo "And ting" - yep Jamaican "Y'all are quaking" - American "Bere Lolz" - York teenspeak Code switching. BTW no need to be getting all personal and nasty, debate can be civil you know. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 2

12:10pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
:-D Do you even know what that word means? You sound like Cameron... "Actually one of my friends is a black man"

"Fook" - faux northern.
"Like OMG" - teenspeak
"They is like faking up" - urban, London
"Teh likes" - internet lingo
"And ting" - yep Jamaican
"Y'all are quaking" - American
"Bere Lolz" - York teenspeak

Code switching.


BTW no need to be getting all personal and nasty, debate can be civil you know.
"BTW no need to be getting all personal and nasty, debate can be civil you know."
You said earlier
"You know one of the things I like about the Press letters page is when people write in and put their name to an admission of ignorance or stupidity."
"Maybe you're being deliberately obtuse?"

I generally cut people some slack but in your case I will make an exception.
If you dish abuse out don't whinge when you receive it.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: :-D Do you even know what that word means? You sound like Cameron... "Actually one of my friends is a black man" "Fook" - faux northern. "Like OMG" - teenspeak "They is like faking up" - urban, London "Teh likes" - internet lingo "And ting" - yep Jamaican "Y'all are quaking" - American "Bere Lolz" - York teenspeak Code switching. BTW no need to be getting all personal and nasty, debate can be civil you know.[/p][/quote]"BTW no need to be getting all personal and nasty, debate can be civil you know." You said earlier "You know one of the things I like about the Press letters page is when people write in and put their name to an admission of ignorance or stupidity." "Maybe you're being deliberately obtuse?" I generally cut people some slack but in your case I will make an exception. If you dish abuse out don't whinge when you receive it. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 0

4:27pm Tue 25 Mar 14

meme says...

I am not a cycling zealot etc and am a motorist
for all of you who complain about the Grand depart being in York and not wanting to take any part including watching this is about York and its economy
You may not realise that York will benefit hugely both in economic and PR terms. This may not be immediate but its like a travelling city and there will be huge numbers of people visiting York who will spend whilst they are her and who will revisit if they get a good experience and tell their friends
So for the sake of York and for a few days inconvenience, put up with it; embrace it and make our visitors welcome
We can only benefit from it as York would be a lot worse place without our tourists. Remember what it was like in the 50's and 60's...a dump!
Whatever our council don't do right this is something they have got right in principle
I am not a cycling zealot etc [but do cycle] and am a motorist for all of you who complain about the Grand depart being in York and not wanting to take any part including watching this is about York and its economy You may not realise that York will benefit hugely both in economic and PR terms. This may not be immediate but its like a travelling city and there will be huge numbers of people visiting York who will spend whilst they are her and who will revisit if they get a good experience and tell their friends So for the sake of York and for a few days inconvenience, put up with it; embrace it and make our visitors welcome We can only benefit from it as York would be a lot worse place without our tourists. Remember what it was like in the 50's and 60's...a dump! Whatever our council don't do right this is something they have got right in principle meme
  • Score: -2

9:10pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

meme wrote:
I am not a cycling zealot etc and am a motorist
for all of you who complain about the Grand depart being in York and not wanting to take any part including watching this is about York and its economy
You may not realise that York will benefit hugely both in economic and PR terms. This may not be immediate but its like a travelling city and there will be huge numbers of people visiting York who will spend whilst they are her and who will revisit if they get a good experience and tell their friends
So for the sake of York and for a few days inconvenience, put up with it; embrace it and make our visitors welcome
We can only benefit from it as York would be a lot worse place without our tourists. Remember what it was like in the 50's and 60's...a dump!
Whatever our council don't do right this is something they have got right in principle
"I am not a cycling zealot etc and am a motorist "
I am neither a cyclist nor a motorist.
"You may not realise that York will benefit hugely both in economic and PR terms."
I don't care.
"So for the sake of York and for a few days inconvenience, put up with it"
I have no choice; the authorities have decided on it and don't care what the opinion of the serfs is.
"We can only benefit from it as York would be a lot worse place without our tourists."
How will "we" benefit? Taxpayer's money will be used to stage this. Many hotels and bars will do very well out of it but how much of the "benefit" will be returned to the taxpayer? I suggest it will be zero.
"Remember what it was like in the 50's and 60's...a dump!"
I can't remember the 50's and 60's but I know that it was a major railway and manufacturing centre which employed people doing real jobs with an end product. It had tourists too but it didn't rely on them.
"Whatever our council don't do right this is something they have got right in principle"
That's your opinion but it basically means "I agree with this". The council don't care whether people disagree with it.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: I am not a cycling zealot etc [but do cycle] and am a motorist for all of you who complain about the Grand depart being in York and not wanting to take any part including watching this is about York and its economy You may not realise that York will benefit hugely both in economic and PR terms. This may not be immediate but its like a travelling city and there will be huge numbers of people visiting York who will spend whilst they are her and who will revisit if they get a good experience and tell their friends So for the sake of York and for a few days inconvenience, put up with it; embrace it and make our visitors welcome We can only benefit from it as York would be a lot worse place without our tourists. Remember what it was like in the 50's and 60's...a dump! Whatever our council don't do right this is something they have got right in principle[/p][/quote]"I am not a cycling zealot etc [but do cycle] and am a motorist " I am neither a cyclist nor a motorist. "You may not realise that York will benefit hugely both in economic and PR terms." I don't care. "So for the sake of York and for a few days inconvenience, put up with it" I have no choice; the authorities have decided on it and don't care what the opinion of the serfs is. "We can only benefit from it as York would be a lot worse place without our tourists." How will "we" benefit? Taxpayer's money will be used to stage this. Many hotels and bars will do very well out of it but how much of the "benefit" will be returned to the taxpayer? I suggest it will be zero. "Remember what it was like in the 50's and 60's...a dump!" I can't remember the 50's and 60's but I know that it was a major railway and manufacturing centre which employed people doing real jobs with an end product. It had tourists too but it didn't rely on them. "Whatever our council don't do right this is something they have got right in principle" That's your opinion but it basically means "I agree with this". The council don't care whether people disagree with it. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 3

10:09pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
:-D Do you even know what that word means? You sound like Cameron... "Actually one of my friends is a black man"

"Fook" - faux northern.
"Like OMG" - teenspeak
"They is like faking up" - urban, London
"Teh likes" - internet lingo
"And ting" - yep Jamaican
"Y'all are quaking" - American
"Bere Lolz" - York teenspeak

Code switching.


BTW no need to be getting all personal and nasty, debate can be civil you know.
"BTW no need to be getting all personal and nasty, debate can be civil you know."
You said earlier
"You know one of the things I like about the Press letters page is when people write in and put their name to an admission of ignorance or stupidity."
"Maybe you're being deliberately obtuse?"

I generally cut people some slack but in your case I will make an exception.
If you dish abuse out don't whinge when you receive it.
Very unfair. I didn't dish half the abuse you did.
Not whinging, I'm asking you to be civil.

I've read the thread back and you dished the abuse first.

I asked if you had played Sim City, When I see the unjust way our country/ cities/ towns are run, I see it how it was played out in the famous simulator game.
You said "No thanks, I have a life" implying that because I played a video game I have no life. That's the first insult, I chose to ignore it and explain with examples.

You took the trouble to find another unrelated post of mine that you couldn't understand and diss me for it.

I'm still surprised and genuinely sorry for your lack of language that you can't or won't understand that post and the simple sentence "tax is not a retail model for goods and services"

You go on to question the existence of my family members and express regret that they share my DNA.
Insults from you all the way.

It's all looking a bit passive-aggressive from you.

Again, let's be civil. I've seen your posts around this site, in the main you talk sense. Got a bit spiky here though.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: :-D Do you even know what that word means? You sound like Cameron... "Actually one of my friends is a black man" "Fook" - faux northern. "Like OMG" - teenspeak "They is like faking up" - urban, London "Teh likes" - internet lingo "And ting" - yep Jamaican "Y'all are quaking" - American "Bere Lolz" - York teenspeak Code switching. BTW no need to be getting all personal and nasty, debate can be civil you know.[/p][/quote]"BTW no need to be getting all personal and nasty, debate can be civil you know." You said earlier "You know one of the things I like about the Press letters page is when people write in and put their name to an admission of ignorance or stupidity." "Maybe you're being deliberately obtuse?" I generally cut people some slack but in your case I will make an exception. If you dish abuse out don't whinge when you receive it.[/p][/quote]Very unfair. I didn't dish half the abuse you did. Not whinging, I'm asking you to be civil. I've read the thread back and you dished the abuse first. I asked if you had played Sim City, When I see the unjust way our country/ cities/ towns are run, I see it how it was played out in the famous simulator game. You said "No thanks, I have a life" implying that because I played a video game I have no life. That's the first insult, I chose to ignore it and explain with examples. You took the trouble to find another unrelated post of mine that you couldn't understand and diss me for it. I'm still surprised and genuinely sorry for your lack of language that you can't or won't understand that post and the simple sentence "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" You go on to question the existence of my family members and express regret that they share my DNA. Insults from you all the way. It's all looking a bit passive-aggressive from you. Again, let's be civil. I've seen your posts around this site, in the main you talk sense. Got a bit spiky here though. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 2

11:35pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
:-D Do you even know what that word means? You sound like Cameron... "Actually one of my friends is a black man"

"Fook" - faux northern.
"Like OMG" - teenspeak
"They is like faking up" - urban, London
"Teh likes" - internet lingo
"And ting" - yep Jamaican
"Y'all are quaking" - American
"Bere Lolz" - York teenspeak

Code switching.


BTW no need to be getting all personal and nasty, debate can be civil you know.
"BTW no need to be getting all personal and nasty, debate can be civil you know."
You said earlier
"You know one of the things I like about the Press letters page is when people write in and put their name to an admission of ignorance or stupidity."
"Maybe you're being deliberately obtuse?"

I generally cut people some slack but in your case I will make an exception.
If you dish abuse out don't whinge when you receive it.
Very unfair. I didn't dish half the abuse you did.
Not whinging, I'm asking you to be civil.

I've read the thread back and you dished the abuse first.

I asked if you had played Sim City, When I see the unjust way our country/ cities/ towns are run, I see it how it was played out in the famous simulator game.
You said "No thanks, I have a life" implying that because I played a video game I have no life. That's the first insult, I chose to ignore it and explain with examples.

You took the trouble to find another unrelated post of mine that you couldn't understand and diss me for it.

I'm still surprised and genuinely sorry for your lack of language that you can't or won't understand that post and the simple sentence "tax is not a retail model for goods and services"

You go on to question the existence of my family members and express regret that they share my DNA.
Insults from you all the way.

It's all looking a bit passive-aggressive from you.

Again, let's be civil. I've seen your posts around this site, in the main you talk sense. Got a bit spiky here though.
I am done with you Buzzz, you bore me.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: :-D Do you even know what that word means? You sound like Cameron... "Actually one of my friends is a black man" "Fook" - faux northern. "Like OMG" - teenspeak "They is like faking up" - urban, London "Teh likes" - internet lingo "And ting" - yep Jamaican "Y'all are quaking" - American "Bere Lolz" - York teenspeak Code switching. BTW no need to be getting all personal and nasty, debate can be civil you know.[/p][/quote]"BTW no need to be getting all personal and nasty, debate can be civil you know." You said earlier "You know one of the things I like about the Press letters page is when people write in and put their name to an admission of ignorance or stupidity." "Maybe you're being deliberately obtuse?" I generally cut people some slack but in your case I will make an exception. If you dish abuse out don't whinge when you receive it.[/p][/quote]Very unfair. I didn't dish half the abuse you did. Not whinging, I'm asking you to be civil. I've read the thread back and you dished the abuse first. I asked if you had played Sim City, When I see the unjust way our country/ cities/ towns are run, I see it how it was played out in the famous simulator game. You said "No thanks, I have a life" implying that because I played a video game I have no life. That's the first insult, I chose to ignore it and explain with examples. You took the trouble to find another unrelated post of mine that you couldn't understand and diss me for it. I'm still surprised and genuinely sorry for your lack of language that you can't or won't understand that post and the simple sentence "tax is not a retail model for goods and services" You go on to question the existence of my family members and express regret that they share my DNA. Insults from you all the way. It's all looking a bit passive-aggressive from you. Again, let's be civil. I've seen your posts around this site, in the main you talk sense. Got a bit spiky here though.[/p][/quote]I am done with you Buzzz, you bore me. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 1

4:33pm Fri 28 Mar 14

wallman says...

we didn't have all this commotion years ago when the carriage works,rowntrees,and terrys left every night. Now that was a real bike race not a lycra outfit in sight, just flat caps and cycle clips for safety. Happy days
we didn't have all this commotion years ago when the carriage works,rowntrees,and terrys left every night. Now that was a real bike race not a lycra outfit in sight, just flat caps and cycle clips for safety. Happy days wallman
  • Score: -1

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