Drop in the number of affordable homes built in York

Drop in the number of affordable homes built in York

Drop in the number of affordable homes built in York

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THE number of new affordable homes being built in York fell by 60 percent last year.

In 2013 and 14 just 47 new affordable homes were completed in the city - down from 115 in 2012 and 13. Overall, the number of homes built fell by 28 percent - down from 482 to 345 over the same period.

City of York Council has put the decrease down to the difficulties facing the house building industry nationally, and pointed to its council house building scheme which it launched to counteract the falling numbers of affordable homes being built by private developers.

A council spokesman said that the majority of new affordable housing is built because of requirements in planning agreements for private housing developments, and it follows that a slow down of private housing development will reduce the number of affordable houses being delivered as well.

In 2010/11 affordable house building in York hit a peak with 282 new homes completed, but numbers have fallen every year since. While the total number of houses built in York also hit a peak in 2010/11 - 514 - and fell the following year to 321, the numbers then climbed to 482 in 2012/13 before falling again to 345 last year.

And the data shows that since 2010/11, the proportion of newly built homes which became affordable homes has fallen considerably - from 54 percent in 2010/11 to 13 percent in the most recent year.

The council spokesman said the first of the 70 new council homes - 19 homes flats on Beckfield Lane - will be ready in January. On top of this, housing associations are at work at the former YWCA site on Water Lane, the former Our Lady’s School site in Dringhouses and the Derwenthorpe development.

“Just as the private housing market is recovering from the recession and completions of new homes are forecast to increase in 2014-15 the number of affordable homes completed will also increase to approximately 150; a three-fold increase on the past year.”

The affordable housing figures appear in an update on the “Single Equalities Scheme” due to be debated by a council scrutiny committee on Wednesday, September 3.

The papers also show that the a quarter of people on the council house waiting list in York have a disability, while 16 percent are young people aged between 16 and 24.

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12:08pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Badgers Drift says...

Net Housing completions in York:

1998/99: 770
1999/00: 882
2000/01: 706
2001/02: 1,002
2002/03: 834
2003/04: 525
2004/05: 1,160
2005/06: 906
2006/07: 798
2007/08: 523
2008/09: 451
2009/10: 507
2010/11: 514
2011/12: 321
2012/13: 482
2013/14: 345
Net Housing completions in York: 1998/99: 770 1999/00: 882 2000/01: 706 2001/02: 1,002 2002/03: 834 2003/04: 525 2004/05: 1,160 2005/06: 906 2006/07: 798 2007/08: 523 2008/09: 451 2009/10: 507 2010/11: 514 2011/12: 321 2012/13: 482 2013/14: 345 Badgers Drift
  • Score: 3

12:59pm Mon 1 Sep 14

HoofHearteds says...

I wouldn't commit to any property for a while. Poor manufacturing data could signal the end of a hot streak for UK growth. Surveys of the nation's manufacturing sector saw an unexpected fall this August, as purchasing managers' index (PMI) figures dropped from 54.8 to 52.5. Meanwhile, the deficit which fell slightly for a while is now on the way back up again.

After the election next year, prepare for all the smoke and mirrors to settle and the long prevented market correction to find it's true level.
I wouldn't commit to any property for a while. Poor manufacturing data could signal the end of a hot streak for UK growth. Surveys of the nation's manufacturing sector saw an unexpected fall this August, as purchasing managers' index (PMI) figures dropped from 54.8 to 52.5. Meanwhile, the deficit which fell slightly for a while is now on the way back up again. After the election next year, prepare for all the smoke and mirrors to settle and the long prevented market correction to find it's true level. HoofHearteds
  • Score: 3

1:08pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Dave Ruddock says...

Seems housing in York is very slow, and in some cases backward. Builders going for the Higher Middle class people, not the lower class, which is by far the largest population in any city.
Seems housing in York is very slow, and in some cases backward. Builders going for the Higher Middle class people, not the lower class, which is by far the largest population in any city. Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 10

1:50pm Mon 1 Sep 14

smudge2 says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
Seems housing in York is very slow, and in some cases backward. Builders going for the Higher Middle class people, not the lower class, which is by far the largest population in any city.
Builders work for money and shareholders like the rest of the industry...It would be like the airlines having to provide 30% affordable seats to help the less fortunate go on holiday..If people want cheap housing then they can always put their property on the market at a reduced rate to help somebody get an affordable house... I don't think so !..Landlords buy affordable houses and rent them as the builder is only interested in selling his assets as quickly as possible and is not interested where the funds come from and most are in a position to complete very quickly.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: Seems housing in York is very slow, and in some cases backward. Builders going for the Higher Middle class people, not the lower class, which is by far the largest population in any city.[/p][/quote]Builders work for money and shareholders like the rest of the industry...It would be like the airlines having to provide 30% affordable seats to help the less fortunate go on holiday..If people want cheap housing then they can always put their property on the market at a reduced rate to help somebody get an affordable house... I don't think so !..Landlords buy affordable houses and rent them as the builder is only interested in selling his assets as quickly as possible and is not interested where the funds come from and most are in a position to complete very quickly. smudge2
  • Score: -3

1:59pm Mon 1 Sep 14

adam reith says...

No definition of what an 'affordable' house is?
No definition of what an 'affordable' house is? adam reith
  • Score: 6

2:09pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Badgers Drift says...

HoofHearteds wrote:
I wouldn't commit to any property for a while. Poor manufacturing data could signal the end of a hot streak for UK growth. Surveys of the nation's manufacturing sector saw an unexpected fall this August, as purchasing managers' index (PMI) figures dropped from 54.8 to 52.5. Meanwhile, the deficit which fell slightly for a while is now on the way back up again. After the election next year, prepare for all the smoke and mirrors to settle and the long prevented market correction to find it's true level.
'I wouldn't commit to any property for a while'

Wasn't this James Alexander's secret election manifesto pledge for housing in York?

Just look at the housing completions in York under Labour since 2011 - they have bombed!

Another box ticked, James.

Housing - a total failure under Labour!
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't commit to any property for a while. Poor manufacturing data could signal the end of a hot streak for UK growth. Surveys of the nation's manufacturing sector saw an unexpected fall this August, as purchasing managers' index (PMI) figures dropped from 54.8 to 52.5. Meanwhile, the deficit which fell slightly for a while is now on the way back up again. After the election next year, prepare for all the smoke and mirrors to settle and the long prevented market correction to find it's true level.[/p][/quote]'I wouldn't commit to any property for a while' Wasn't this James Alexander's secret election manifesto pledge for housing in York? Just look at the housing completions in York under Labour since 2011 - they have bombed! Another box ticked, James. Housing - a total failure under Labour! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -33

2:23pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Badgers Drift says...

Affordable (Social) Housing completions in York:
(for last ten years)

2004/05: 195
2005/06: 148
2006/07: 56
2007/08: 51
2008/09: 151
2009/10: 152
2010/11: 282
2011/12: 151
2012/13: 115
2013/14: 47

Only 47 in 2013/14 - another record low to go with the record low housing planning consents and housing completions in 2011/12 all under Labour!

So much for James Alexander's pledge to increase housing - what a total failure?!!!
Affordable (Social) Housing completions in York: (for last ten years) 2004/05: 195 2005/06: 148 2006/07: 56 2007/08: 51 2008/09: 151 2009/10: 152 2010/11: 282 2011/12: 151 2012/13: 115 2013/14: 47 Only 47 in 2013/14 - another record low to go with the record low housing planning consents and housing completions in 2011/12 all under Labour! So much for James Alexander's pledge to increase housing - what a total failure?!!! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -5

2:25pm Mon 1 Sep 14

smudge2 says...

HoofHearteds wrote:
I wouldn't commit to any property for a while. Poor manufacturing data could signal the end of a hot streak for UK growth. Surveys of the nation's manufacturing sector saw an unexpected fall this August, as purchasing managers' index (PMI) figures dropped from 54.8 to 52.5. Meanwhile, the deficit which fell slightly for a while is now on the way back up again.

After the election next year, prepare for all the smoke and mirrors to settle and the long prevented market correction to find it's true level.
Maybe in some areas but not York. Look at the last 5 years figures with Zoopla.
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't commit to any property for a while. Poor manufacturing data could signal the end of a hot streak for UK growth. Surveys of the nation's manufacturing sector saw an unexpected fall this August, as purchasing managers' index (PMI) figures dropped from 54.8 to 52.5. Meanwhile, the deficit which fell slightly for a while is now on the way back up again. After the election next year, prepare for all the smoke and mirrors to settle and the long prevented market correction to find it's true level.[/p][/quote]Maybe in some areas but not York. Look at the last 5 years figures with Zoopla. smudge2
  • Score: 3

2:45pm Mon 1 Sep 14

AGuyFromStresall says...

It's quite amusing so many people saying that there is a failure to build social housing and commenting on the lack of housing built. Half the reason we aren't building is the squeeze in profits due to the social housing. Plus them being less desirable to the buyers due to the requirement.

Plus let's get rid of this tag, affordable housing is ridiculous. I know lots of people who couldn't afford to buy, I don't know any of them that qualify for "affordable" housing.
Housing association housing or similar is what it is, let's call a spade a spade and say it, not sugar coat it!
It's quite amusing so many people saying that there is a failure to build social housing and commenting on the lack of housing built. Half the reason we aren't building is the squeeze in profits due to the social housing. Plus them being less desirable to the buyers due to the requirement. Plus let's get rid of this tag, affordable housing is ridiculous. I know lots of people who couldn't afford to buy, I don't know any of them that qualify for "affordable" housing. Housing association housing or similar is what it is, let's call a spade a spade and say it, not sugar coat it! AGuyFromStresall
  • Score: 2

3:40pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Badgers Drift says...

AGuyFromStresall wrote:
It's quite amusing so many people saying that there is a failure to build social housing and commenting on the lack of housing built. Half the reason we aren't building is the squeeze in profits due to the social housing. Plus them being less desirable to the buyers due to the requirement. Plus let's get rid of this tag, affordable housing is ridiculous. I know lots of people who couldn't afford to buy, I don't know any of them that qualify for "affordable" housing. Housing association housing or similar is what it is, let's call a spade a spade and say it, not sugar coat it!
Spot on!

The term 'affordable housing' when used by councils, is used to deceive. It is in fact social housing, which is allocated to those on housing lists.

Building more social housing if anything will make housing for those who want to buy their own homes less affordable, because the system as it stands relies on private housebuilders and buyers to subsidise the social housing, and drives prices up not down.

Don't believe the weasel words of the Labour council, affordable housing in their language is not for the first time buyers who are not on benefits!
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStresall[/bold] wrote: It's quite amusing so many people saying that there is a failure to build social housing and commenting on the lack of housing built. Half the reason we aren't building is the squeeze in profits due to the social housing. Plus them being less desirable to the buyers due to the requirement. Plus let's get rid of this tag, affordable housing is ridiculous. I know lots of people who couldn't afford to buy, I don't know any of them that qualify for "affordable" housing. Housing association housing or similar is what it is, let's call a spade a spade and say it, not sugar coat it![/p][/quote]Spot on! The term 'affordable housing' when used by councils, is used to deceive. It is in fact social housing, which is allocated to those on housing lists. Building more social housing if anything will make housing for those who want to buy their own homes less affordable, because the system as it stands relies on private housebuilders and buyers to subsidise the social housing, and drives prices up not down. Don't believe the weasel words of the Labour council, affordable housing in their language is not for the first time buyers who are not on benefits! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 8

4:08pm Mon 1 Sep 14

meme says...

So affordable hits the headlines again!
Like rabbits in headlights Labours policies are exposed as a farce. The 'spokesman' blame sit on the recession. well that's cohones I say!
Its their policies that have resulted in the lowest number of homes built for years ranging from affordable to a downright appalling planning process that takes months and costs a fortune for even the smallest application.
GET YORK BUILDING.....I think was one of their slogans. well the planning prevention officers are doing their best to stop York building.
Planning in York at the moment is a bit like child protection was in Rotherham. They have forgotten why its there and just concentrate on statistics and the reason for protection/planning etc is just a vague memory. So long as positions are protected/jobs still in place with a few notable exceptions York blunders on very slowly.
And there seems to be very little we can do about it except expose these dreadful housing figures so people can see the real truth and not the PR spouted by faceless employees
So affordable hits the headlines again! Like rabbits in headlights Labours policies are exposed as a farce. The 'spokesman' blame sit on the recession. well that's cohones I say! Its their policies that have resulted in the lowest number of homes built for years ranging from affordable to a downright appalling planning process that takes months and costs a fortune for even the smallest application. GET YORK BUILDING.....I think was one of their slogans. well the planning prevention officers are doing their best to stop York building. Planning in York at the moment is a bit like child protection was in Rotherham. They have forgotten why its there and just concentrate on statistics and the reason for protection/planning etc is just a vague memory. So long as positions are protected/jobs still in place with a few notable exceptions York blunders on very slowly. And there seems to be very little we can do about it except expose these dreadful housing figures so people can see the real truth and not the PR spouted by faceless employees meme
  • Score: -4

4:47pm Mon 1 Sep 14

meme says...

Lets call it social rented tenants please and its not that affordable anyway as these HA's make a fortune. Who could fail not to when given the property at a massively discounted price?
Its the biggest con in the UK. pretend they are socially aware landlords, get profit making organisations to give them their stock heavily discounted. allow them to rent at just below market levels and call it affordable housing so everyone thinks they can buy a cheaper home...well the reality is entirely different to the myths.
IF you qualify you can rent at about 85% of real market rents. its not much of a saving and is a disincentive to striving to buy something you can afford. But it satisfies the social consciences of those who bleat on about unfairness despite most of them not knowing its a huge con and just makes it more expensive for those who are trying to buy their own home.
If only people would wake up and realise that any meddling in this sort of market has consequences and these statistics throw the consequences into a stark light. The policies are not working and never will
York is a desirable place to live. if anywhere should have a housing boom its here but our councils policies have stifled the appetite of house builders to move at a pace to supply new homes as CoYC make it v expensive and risky to build here
Lets call it social rented tenants please and its not that affordable anyway as these HA's make a fortune. Who could fail not to when given the property at a massively discounted price? [before there are howls of protest Google these companies to see just what level of profits they are making!] Its the biggest con in the UK. pretend they are socially aware landlords, get profit making organisations to give them their stock heavily discounted. allow them to rent at just below market levels and call it affordable housing so everyone thinks they can buy a cheaper home...well the reality is entirely different to the myths. IF you qualify [and that's unlikely if you earn anything around a standard wage] you can rent at about 85% of real market rents. its not much of a saving and is a disincentive to striving to buy something you can afford. But it satisfies the social consciences of those who bleat on about unfairness despite most of them not knowing its a huge con and just makes it more expensive for those who are trying to buy their own home. If only people would wake up and realise that any meddling in this sort of market has consequences and these statistics throw the consequences into a stark light. The policies are not working and never will York is a desirable place to live. if anywhere should have a housing boom its here but our councils policies have stifled the appetite of house builders to move at a pace to supply new homes as CoYC make it v expensive and risky to build here meme
  • Score: -12

5:21pm Mon 1 Sep 14

pbrowne2009@live.co.uk says...

What are you talking about - Affordable housing??? Haven't you seen the dewent thorpe houses in Osbaldwick? Only going for in the region of £300,000 - ohhhhhh you said AFFORDABLE, silly me.
What are you talking about - Affordable housing??? Haven't you seen the dewent thorpe houses in Osbaldwick? Only going for in the region of £300,000 - ohhhhhh you said AFFORDABLE, silly me. pbrowne2009@live.co.uk
  • Score: -5

5:24pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Ric Blenkharn says...

http://www.deliveraf
fordablehomes.co.uk/
coreareas/nationalpo
licy/q1/
This will explain what affordable housing is all about. It is targeted for those people unable to enter the housing market-of which there are numerous across the country. They are genuine people in need, often key workers. They will only gain access to affordable housing if they meet prescribed criteria.
I have worked in the design and delivery of affordable housing for over 20 years and the prejudice against those who will truly benefit from a place they can call home is truly outrageous.
With willing land owners a high percentage of affordable housing can be achieved on a commercial basis.
Please stop this prejudice and let people have the opportunity to create their own homes for the future!
http://www.deliveraf fordablehomes.co.uk/ coreareas/nationalpo licy/q1/ This will explain what affordable housing is all about. It is targeted for those people unable to enter the housing market-of which there are numerous across the country. They are genuine people in need, often key workers. They will only gain access to affordable housing if they meet prescribed criteria. I have worked in the design and delivery of affordable housing for over 20 years and the prejudice against those who will truly benefit from a place they can call home is truly outrageous. With willing land owners a high percentage of affordable housing can be achieved on a commercial basis. Please stop this prejudice and let people have the opportunity to create their own homes for the future! Ric Blenkharn
  • Score: 10

5:30pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Romjim says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Affordable (Social) Housing completions in York:
(for last ten years)

2004/05: 195
2005/06: 148
2006/07: 56
2007/08: 51
2008/09: 151
2009/10: 152
2010/11: 282
2011/12: 151
2012/13: 115
2013/14: 47

Only 47 in 2013/14 - another record low to go with the record low housing planning consents and housing completions in 2011/12 all under Labour!

So much for James Alexander's pledge to increase housing - what a total failure?!!!
The biggest impact on lack of affordable homes being built in York or anywhere else was the coalition Government's decision to halve the housing grant to Housing Associations. At the same time they redefined affordable as 'up to 80% of the market rent'. These 2 changes have meant the collapse of house building since 2012. The numbers of completions for 11/12 and 12/13 were higher because of the residual effects of the 2006/2011 housing grant allocation.
But the figures will increase in 14/15 because the Government delayed the settlement and back loaded the grants so that they have to be completed by March 2015.
The spin from this Government is breath taking.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: Affordable (Social) Housing completions in York: (for last ten years) 2004/05: 195 2005/06: 148 2006/07: 56 2007/08: 51 2008/09: 151 2009/10: 152 2010/11: 282 2011/12: 151 2012/13: 115 2013/14: 47 Only 47 in 2013/14 - another record low to go with the record low housing planning consents and housing completions in 2011/12 all under Labour! So much for James Alexander's pledge to increase housing - what a total failure?!!![/p][/quote]The biggest impact on lack of affordable homes being built in York or anywhere else was the coalition Government's decision to halve the housing grant to Housing Associations. At the same time they redefined affordable as 'up to 80% of the market rent'. These 2 changes have meant the collapse of house building since 2012. The numbers of completions for 11/12 and 12/13 were higher because of the residual effects of the 2006/2011 housing grant allocation. But the figures will increase in 14/15 because the Government delayed the settlement and back loaded the grants so that they have to be completed by March 2015. The spin from this Government is breath taking. Romjim
  • Score: 7

7:13pm Mon 1 Sep 14

gmsgop says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Net Housing completions in York:

1998/99: 770
1999/00: 882
2000/01: 706
2001/02: 1,002
2002/03: 834
2003/04: 525
2004/05: 1,160
2005/06: 906
2006/07: 798
2007/08: 523
2008/09: 451
2009/10: 507
2010/11: 514
2011/12: 321
2012/13: 482
2013/14: 345
Can you confirm if these figures include student accom- if so can you Aldo list the figures - student flats pl Gwen
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: Net Housing completions in York: 1998/99: 770 1999/00: 882 2000/01: 706 2001/02: 1,002 2002/03: 834 2003/04: 525 2004/05: 1,160 2005/06: 906 2006/07: 798 2007/08: 523 2008/09: 451 2009/10: 507 2010/11: 514 2011/12: 321 2012/13: 482 2013/14: 345[/p][/quote]Can you confirm if these figures include student accom- if so can you Aldo list the figures - student flats pl Gwen gmsgop
  • Score: -8

7:56pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Badgers Drift says...

gmsgop wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Net Housing completions in York:

1998/99: 770
1999/00: 882
2000/01: 706
2001/02: 1,002
2002/03: 834
2003/04: 525
2004/05: 1,160
2005/06: 906
2006/07: 798
2007/08: 523
2008/09: 451
2009/10: 507
2010/11: 514
2011/12: 321
2012/13: 482
2013/14: 345
Can you confirm if these figures include student accom- if so can you Aldo list the figures - student flats pl Gwen
The only year that includes student accommodation is 2012/13, where 124 student 'clusters' have been counted. These are a cuckoo in the nest, and it's a desperate attempt by the council to spin the figures. If these are discounted, the true number of completions for that year is 358 - the third worst on record. Labour have in effect achieved the worst (lowest) three years housing completions on record in York.
[quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: Net Housing completions in York: 1998/99: 770 1999/00: 882 2000/01: 706 2001/02: 1,002 2002/03: 834 2003/04: 525 2004/05: 1,160 2005/06: 906 2006/07: 798 2007/08: 523 2008/09: 451 2009/10: 507 2010/11: 514 2011/12: 321 2012/13: 482 2013/14: 345[/p][/quote]Can you confirm if these figures include student accom- if so can you Aldo list the figures - student flats pl Gwen[/p][/quote]The only year that includes student accommodation is 2012/13, where 124 student 'clusters' have been counted. These are a cuckoo in the nest, and it's a desperate attempt by the council to spin the figures. If these are discounted, the true number of completions for that year is 358 - the third worst on record. Labour have in effect achieved the worst (lowest) three years housing completions on record in York. Badgers Drift
  • Score: 2

8:14pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Badgers Drift says...

Ric Blenkharn wrote:
http://www.deliveraf

fordablehomes.co.uk/

coreareas/nationalpo

licy/q1/
This will explain what affordable housing is all about. It is targeted for those people unable to enter the housing market-of which there are numerous across the country. They are genuine people in need, often key workers. They will only gain access to affordable housing if they meet prescribed criteria.
I have worked in the design and delivery of affordable housing for over 20 years and the prejudice against those who will truly benefit from a place they can call home is truly outrageous.
With willing land owners a high percentage of affordable housing can be achieved on a commercial basis.
Please stop this prejudice and let people have the opportunity to create their own homes for the future!
I've been involved with building private and social housing since the 1970's - almost 40yrs, and the prejudice I have experienced and witnessed is that of Labour politicians who have caused massive damage to the housebuilding industry through interference and over-regulation.

Forcing private housebuilders to provide social housing using the planning system (S106) is punitive and discriminatory. In what other industry are private businesses forced to hand over 20%, 25%, 30%, 35% or 50% of their stock/produce at less than cost ?

Other than that I presume the prejudice Ric Blenkharn is referring to is that of private purchasers afraid that the value of their property could be prejudiced by pepper-potted social housing?!!
[quote][p][bold]Ric Blenkharn[/bold] wrote: http://www.deliveraf fordablehomes.co.uk/ coreareas/nationalpo licy/q1/ This will explain what affordable housing is all about. It is targeted for those people unable to enter the housing market-of which there are numerous across the country. They are genuine people in need, often key workers. They will only gain access to affordable housing if they meet prescribed criteria. I have worked in the design and delivery of affordable housing for over 20 years and the prejudice against those who will truly benefit from a place they can call home is truly outrageous. With willing land owners a high percentage of affordable housing can be achieved on a commercial basis. Please stop this prejudice and let people have the opportunity to create their own homes for the future![/p][/quote]I've been involved with building private and social housing since the 1970's - almost 40yrs, and the prejudice I have experienced and witnessed is that of Labour politicians who have caused massive damage to the housebuilding industry through interference and over-regulation. Forcing private housebuilders to provide social housing using the planning system (S106) is punitive and discriminatory. In what other industry are private businesses forced to hand over 20%, 25%, 30%, 35% or 50% of their stock/produce at less than cost ? Other than that I presume the prejudice Ric Blenkharn is referring to is that of private purchasers afraid that the value of their property could be prejudiced by pepper-potted social housing?!! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 15

8:20pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Badgers Drift says...

I am the victim of prejudice on this (and other) comments thread/s.

Please note that my comments have been targeted by the mark down imbecile, where other comments of a similar nature to mine on this story have not been marked down.

This is the work of those who are from the fairness and equality camp - who do not practise what they preach!!!
I am the victim of prejudice on this (and other) comments thread/s. Please note that my comments have been targeted by the mark down imbecile, where other comments of a similar nature to mine on this story have not been marked down. This is the work of those who are from the fairness and equality camp - who do not practise what they preach!!! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 10

8:32pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Ric Blenkharn says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Ric Blenkharn wrote:
http://www.deliveraf


fordablehomes.co.uk/


coreareas/nationalpo


licy/q1/
This will explain what affordable housing is all about. It is targeted for those people unable to enter the housing market-of which there are numerous across the country. They are genuine people in need, often key workers. They will only gain access to affordable housing if they meet prescribed criteria.
I have worked in the design and delivery of affordable housing for over 20 years and the prejudice against those who will truly benefit from a place they can call home is truly outrageous.
With willing land owners a high percentage of affordable housing can be achieved on a commercial basis.
Please stop this prejudice and let people have the opportunity to create their own homes for the future!
I've been involved with building private and social housing since the 1970's - almost 40yrs, and the prejudice I have experienced and witnessed is that of Labour politicians who have caused massive damage to the housebuilding industry through interference and over-regulation.

Forcing private housebuilders to provide social housing using the planning system (S106) is punitive and discriminatory. In what other industry are private businesses forced to hand over 20%, 25%, 30%, 35% or 50% of their stock/produce at less than cost ?

Other than that I presume the prejudice Ric Blenkharn is referring to is that of private purchasers afraid that the value of their property could be prejudiced by pepper-potted social housing?!!
This is the prejudice I'm talking about-an article I wrote a few months ago for the Yorkshire Post. There are plenty of people who genuinely want to stay in their communities, but unable to do so because of high house values. The same is true in cities.

Prejudice and Affordable Housing in Rural Areas

As an architect and developer of affordable housing, particularly in rural areas, I am increasingly saddened by the attitude of many residents to the development of homes for local people in need. At a recent public presentation of a scheme in North Yorkshire, I asked one resident why she didn’t support the initiative to provide homes for young local families. The response was that they should move to Middlesborough, where housing was cheaper, “she certainly didn’t want young people living in the village.” Whilst this view is perhaps extreme, it is certainly not an unfamiliar view in similar developments around the region.

Why is there such prejudice against affordable housing? With house prices in rural areas being particularly high, it is very difficult for new families to remain in the villages and communities of their birth. If they were able to do so, then perhaps we would see an integrated community without the need for outside care agencies. Small settlements could become socially self-dependent. Communities seemingly thrive with a mixed range of age and abilities, but sadly many rural villages have become retirement communities or commuter dormitories.

It wasn’t long ago in our history, that Clement Attlee’s post war government embarked on an ambitious programme to build a million homes, 80% of which were council houses. It was a privilege for local politicians to cut the red tape on such developments, which became popular places to inhabit. It was recognized, that not everyone could afford to buy their own home, and it was certainly no disgrace to live in affordable housing. The situation today, is in many ways no different. Rural wages are insufficient to facilitate purchase of a home. Moving away to the city, sadly, becomes the only option, and with this, the mix of local communities and support facilities disappear. There should be no stigma to live in an affordable home, neither should there be prejudice against such housing. It is surely a right for people to have their own home, irrespective of tenure.

We do have opportunities through the National Planning Policy Framework, and the Homes and Communities Agency, to provide local homes for local people at affordable rents.

Reverend Dr Stuart Burgess has called for more housebuilding in rural areas and has claimed that each village in Britain can handle at least 12 more houses. 

Speaking recently on the BBC Radio Four's Today programme, he said: "Affordable housing is the number one issue in rural areas.

"The last thing I want to do is concrete over the countryside but I believe that every rural community could easily have 12 or 14 affordable homes without spoiling the environment or the ethos. A proportion of two or three per cent is all that is needed to build up a vibrant community."

This is a very simple, but very deliverable ideal. It would ensure that for the next generation, homes could be provided within their community. It is a simple process to canvass a local community, to determine what needs they foresee; then following this, to obtain planning consent for affordable housing on exceptions sites. This occurs, because the financial structure to provide such homes, is insufficient to build on land within current development limits. The schemes rely on willing local landowners to support such initiatives. In return they gain a significantly enhanced value over and above agricultural value, and reap the social satisfaction of helping people to remain in their community. There is a democratic process of working with a community, to determine the best location for such schemes, and for a scheme to then be appropriately designed and built for truly local people. I have been involved now in four schemes, successfully delivering nearly 50 homes for rural communities. It is heartening to revisit these houses with occupants, delighted to remain in their local community.

Surely this is something to positively embrace for the future generations of rural areas, rather than deny people the chance of staying in their local community?
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ric Blenkharn[/bold] wrote: http://www.deliveraf fordablehomes.co.uk/ coreareas/nationalpo licy/q1/ This will explain what affordable housing is all about. It is targeted for those people unable to enter the housing market-of which there are numerous across the country. They are genuine people in need, often key workers. They will only gain access to affordable housing if they meet prescribed criteria. I have worked in the design and delivery of affordable housing for over 20 years and the prejudice against those who will truly benefit from a place they can call home is truly outrageous. With willing land owners a high percentage of affordable housing can be achieved on a commercial basis. Please stop this prejudice and let people have the opportunity to create their own homes for the future![/p][/quote]I've been involved with building private and social housing since the 1970's - almost 40yrs, and the prejudice I have experienced and witnessed is that of Labour politicians who have caused massive damage to the housebuilding industry through interference and over-regulation. Forcing private housebuilders to provide social housing using the planning system (S106) is punitive and discriminatory. In what other industry are private businesses forced to hand over 20%, 25%, 30%, 35% or 50% of their stock/produce at less than cost ? Other than that I presume the prejudice Ric Blenkharn is referring to is that of private purchasers afraid that the value of their property could be prejudiced by pepper-potted social housing?!![/p][/quote]This is the prejudice I'm talking about-an article I wrote a few months ago for the Yorkshire Post. There are plenty of people who genuinely want to stay in their communities, but unable to do so because of high house values. The same is true in cities. Prejudice and Affordable Housing in Rural Areas As an architect and developer of affordable housing, particularly in rural areas, I am increasingly saddened by the attitude of many residents to the development of homes for local people in need. At a recent public presentation of a scheme in North Yorkshire, I asked one resident why she didn’t support the initiative to provide homes for young local families. The response was that they should move to Middlesborough, where housing was cheaper, “she certainly didn’t want young people living in the village.” Whilst this view is perhaps extreme, it is certainly not an unfamiliar view in similar developments around the region. Why is there such prejudice against affordable housing? With house prices in rural areas being particularly high, it is very difficult for new families to remain in the villages and communities of their birth. If they were able to do so, then perhaps we would see an integrated community without the need for outside care agencies. Small settlements could become socially self-dependent. Communities seemingly thrive with a mixed range of age and abilities, but sadly many rural villages have become retirement communities or commuter dormitories. It wasn’t long ago in our history, that Clement Attlee’s post war government embarked on an ambitious programme to build a million homes, 80% of which were council houses. It was a privilege for local politicians to cut the red tape on such developments, which became popular places to inhabit. It was recognized, that not everyone could afford to buy their own home, and it was certainly no disgrace to live in affordable housing. The situation today, is in many ways no different. Rural wages are insufficient to facilitate purchase of a home. Moving away to the city, sadly, becomes the only option, and with this, the mix of local communities and support facilities disappear. There should be no stigma to live in an affordable home, neither should there be prejudice against such housing. It is surely a right for people to have their own home, irrespective of tenure. We do have opportunities through the National Planning Policy Framework, and the Homes and Communities Agency, to provide local homes for local people at affordable rents. Reverend Dr Stuart Burgess has called for more housebuilding in rural areas and has claimed that each village in Britain can handle at least 12 more houses. 

Speaking recently on the BBC Radio Four's Today programme, he said: "Affordable housing is the number one issue in rural areas.

"The last thing I want to do is concrete over the countryside but I believe that every rural community could easily have 12 or 14 affordable homes without spoiling the environment or the ethos. A proportion of two or three per cent is all that is needed to build up a vibrant community." This is a very simple, but very deliverable ideal. It would ensure that for the next generation, homes could be provided within their community. It is a simple process to canvass a local community, to determine what needs they foresee; then following this, to obtain planning consent for affordable housing on exceptions sites. This occurs, because the financial structure to provide such homes, is insufficient to build on land within current development limits. The schemes rely on willing local landowners to support such initiatives. In return they gain a significantly enhanced value over and above agricultural value, and reap the social satisfaction of helping people to remain in their community. There is a democratic process of working with a community, to determine the best location for such schemes, and for a scheme to then be appropriately designed and built for truly local people. I have been involved now in four schemes, successfully delivering nearly 50 homes for rural communities. It is heartening to revisit these houses with occupants, delighted to remain in their local community. Surely this is something to positively embrace for the future generations of rural areas, rather than deny people the chance of staying in their local community? Ric Blenkharn
  • Score: 24

9:35pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Badgers Drift says...

Ric Blenkharn,s latest comment +18 and mine -11 in an hour!

I rest my case.
Ric Blenkharn,s latest comment +18 and mine -11 in an hour! I rest my case. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -11

10:09pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Jack Ham says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
gmsgop wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
Net Housing completions in York:

1998/99: 770
1999/00: 882
2000/01: 706
2001/02: 1,002
2002/03: 834
2003/04: 525
2004/05: 1,160
2005/06: 906
2006/07: 798
2007/08: 523
2008/09: 451
2009/10: 507
2010/11: 514
2011/12: 321
2012/13: 482
2013/14: 345
Can you confirm if these figures include student accom- if so can you Aldo list the figures - student flats pl Gwen
The only year that includes student accommodation is 2012/13, where 124 student 'clusters' have been counted. These are a cuckoo in the nest, and it's a desperate attempt by the council to spin the figures. If these are discounted, the true number of completions for that year is 358 - the third worst on record. Labour have in effect achieved the worst (lowest) three years housing completions on record in York.
After all the spin it cut and we look at figures alone Labours record is clear for all to see.

Abysmal.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: Net Housing completions in York: 1998/99: 770 1999/00: 882 2000/01: 706 2001/02: 1,002 2002/03: 834 2003/04: 525 2004/05: 1,160 2005/06: 906 2006/07: 798 2007/08: 523 2008/09: 451 2009/10: 507 2010/11: 514 2011/12: 321 2012/13: 482 2013/14: 345[/p][/quote]Can you confirm if these figures include student accom- if so can you Aldo list the figures - student flats pl Gwen[/p][/quote]The only year that includes student accommodation is 2012/13, where 124 student 'clusters' have been counted. These are a cuckoo in the nest, and it's a desperate attempt by the council to spin the figures. If these are discounted, the true number of completions for that year is 358 - the third worst on record. Labour have in effect achieved the worst (lowest) three years housing completions on record in York.[/p][/quote]After all the spin it cut and we look at figures alone Labours record is clear for all to see. Abysmal. Jack Ham
  • Score: -18

11:36pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Badgers Drift says...

Jack Ham wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
gmsgop wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: Net Housing completions in York: 1998/99: 770 1999/00: 882 2000/01: 706 2001/02: 1,002 2002/03: 834 2003/04: 525 2004/05: 1,160 2005/06: 906 2006/07: 798 2007/08: 523 2008/09: 451 2009/10: 507 2010/11: 514 2011/12: 321 2012/13: 482 2013/14: 345
Can you confirm if these figures include student accom- if so can you Aldo list the figures - student flats pl Gwen
The only year that includes student accommodation is 2012/13, where 124 student 'clusters' have been counted. These are a cuckoo in the nest, and it's a desperate attempt by the council to spin the figures. If these are discounted, the true number of completions for that year is 358 - the third worst on record. Labour have in effect achieved the worst (lowest) three years housing completions on record in York.
After all the spin it cut and we look at figures alone Labours record is clear for all to see. Abysmal.
Yes, just like the mark down retard :(

-28 at this time of night?
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gmsgop[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: Net Housing completions in York: 1998/99: 770 1999/00: 882 2000/01: 706 2001/02: 1,002 2002/03: 834 2003/04: 525 2004/05: 1,160 2005/06: 906 2006/07: 798 2007/08: 523 2008/09: 451 2009/10: 507 2010/11: 514 2011/12: 321 2012/13: 482 2013/14: 345[/p][/quote]Can you confirm if these figures include student accom- if so can you Aldo list the figures - student flats pl Gwen[/p][/quote]The only year that includes student accommodation is 2012/13, where 124 student 'clusters' have been counted. These are a cuckoo in the nest, and it's a desperate attempt by the council to spin the figures. If these are discounted, the true number of completions for that year is 358 - the third worst on record. Labour have in effect achieved the worst (lowest) three years housing completions on record in York.[/p][/quote]After all the spin it cut and we look at figures alone Labours record is clear for all to see. Abysmal.[/p][/quote]Yes, just like the mark down retard :( -28 at this time of night? Badgers Drift
  • Score: -12

9:28am Tue 2 Sep 14

meme says...

Noted Ric
The issue is blackmailing private developers to pay for these and pepper pot them within a development.
If they were actually affordable FOR SALE I suspect the prejudice would not be as bad. The issue is social rented housing and lack of control over behaviour of tenants who have nothing to lose by behaving badly. Not all social rented tenants are bad but unfortunately some are v bad and that affects sales and reputation
Plus Councils don't want 'ghettos' they want intermixing but don't practise what they preach. When they build them they are happy for them all to be in one spot but when private developers build them they have to be pepper-potted...why is that?
Noted Ric The issue is blackmailing private developers to pay for these and pepper pot them within a development. If they were actually affordable FOR SALE I suspect the prejudice would not be as bad. The issue is social rented housing and lack of control over behaviour of tenants who have nothing to lose by behaving badly. Not all social rented tenants are bad but unfortunately some are v bad and that affects sales and reputation Plus Councils don't want 'ghettos' they want intermixing but don't practise what they preach. When they build them they are happy for them all to be in one spot but when private developers build them they have to be pepper-potted...why is that? meme
  • Score: -11

9:32am Tue 2 Sep 14

meme says...

Rik
you need to look at the issue of affordable in the round.
Most are NOT to buy and that's wha the public think affordables are ie TO BUY. Most are in effect council houses by another name and frankly its debatable if they are that affordable anyway either in rents or prices.
Those who qualify are not people on particularly low incomes but those who have little if any chance of getting a home at any price which frankly does not make them particularly good neighbours for those who have paid full value. That's not prejudice but reality!
Rik you need to look at the issue of affordable in the round. Most are NOT to buy and that's wha the public think affordables are ie TO BUY. Most are in effect council houses by another name and frankly its debatable if they are that affordable anyway either in rents or prices. Those who qualify are not people on particularly low incomes but those who have little if any chance of getting a home at any price which frankly does not make them particularly good neighbours for those who have paid full value. That's not prejudice but reality! meme
  • Score: -11

11:07am Tue 2 Sep 14

AGuyFromStresall says...

So Ric, if it's really that important to make sure families can stay in the town of their birth, why is it that almost everyone I know that I have grown up with has to move out of York because they can't afford to buy yet the can't qualify for "affordable" housing.

Part of the reason they can't is lack of housing stock which this scheme stunts!

I'm sure your heart is in the right place, but enough is enough. People need to admit when something is failing badly!
So Ric, if it's really that important to make sure families can stay in the town of their birth, why is it that almost everyone I know that I have grown up with has to move out of York because they can't afford to buy yet the can't qualify for "affordable" housing. Part of the reason they can't is lack of housing stock which this scheme stunts! I'm sure your heart is in the right place, but enough is enough. People need to admit when something is failing badly! AGuyFromStresall
  • Score: -13

12:20pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Ric Blenkharn says...

I make no apologies for being idealistic. Living together in society, everyone has a right to a decent home. There are many countries, such as the Scandinavian ones, where renting either social or private rent doesn't matter. I would like to see the same happening in the UK free from commercial greed and prejudice and only see this changing when we work together with communities to create positive neighbourhoods for all.
I am closely involved with my own professional body, RIBA to try and assist in the way we conceive housing at all levels. I accept that it is a hugely debated subject and it has been a revelation to see the views of many in this short exchange. Keep the debate going, but take a long term view!
I make no apologies for being idealistic. Living together in society, everyone has a right to a decent home. There are many countries, such as the Scandinavian ones, where renting either social or private rent doesn't matter. I would like to see the same happening in the UK free from commercial greed and prejudice and only see this changing when we work together with communities to create positive neighbourhoods for all. I am closely involved with my own professional body, RIBA to try and assist in the way we conceive housing at all levels. I accept that it is a hugely debated subject and it has been a revelation to see the views of many in this short exchange. Keep the debate going, but take a long term view! Ric Blenkharn
  • Score: 11

12:42pm Tue 2 Sep 14

AGuyFromStresall says...

Ric Blenkharn wrote:
I make no apologies for being idealistic. Living together in society, everyone has a right to a decent home. There are many countries, such as the Scandinavian ones, where renting either social or private rent doesn't matter. I would like to see the same happening in the UK free from commercial greed and prejudice and only see this changing when we work together with communities to create positive neighbourhoods for all.
I am closely involved with my own professional body, RIBA to try and assist in the way we conceive housing at all levels. I accept that it is a hugely debated subject and it has been a revelation to see the views of many in this short exchange. Keep the debate going, but take a long term view!
Still didn't answer why you think encouraging shutting out people of my generation that earn more than the "affordable housing" threshold but less than 40k a year is acceptable.

This housing I'm sure lovely in the idealistic world but it takes just a cursory glance to see you a just helping to deny my and my kids generation the change to own property. You're not the root cause, but you sure are an extra problem!
[quote][p][bold]Ric Blenkharn[/bold] wrote: I make no apologies for being idealistic. Living together in society, everyone has a right to a decent home. There are many countries, such as the Scandinavian ones, where renting either social or private rent doesn't matter. I would like to see the same happening in the UK free from commercial greed and prejudice and only see this changing when we work together with communities to create positive neighbourhoods for all. I am closely involved with my own professional body, RIBA to try and assist in the way we conceive housing at all levels. I accept that it is a hugely debated subject and it has been a revelation to see the views of many in this short exchange. Keep the debate going, but take a long term view![/p][/quote]Still didn't answer why you think encouraging shutting out people of my generation that earn more than the "affordable housing" threshold but less than 40k a year is acceptable. This housing I'm sure lovely in the idealistic world but it takes just a cursory glance to see you a just helping to deny my and my kids generation the change to own property. You're not the root cause, but you sure are an extra problem! AGuyFromStresall
  • Score: -12

1:37pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
I am the victim of prejudice on this (and other) comments thread/s.

Please note that my comments have been targeted by the mark down imbecile, where other comments of a similar nature to mine on this story have not been marked down.

This is the work of those who are from the fairness and equality camp - who do not practise what they preach!!!
Oh you poor lamb. Let's all have a group hug and kiss it better for you. Poor, poor victim of prejudice.

Really have you heard yourself?

You of all people!
Paul Badger Cordock, the King of False Dichotomy, the Preserver and Purveyor of McCarthyism, the truth-bending conspiracy inventor, the insulting, oft-banned, spammer of these pages bleating on about being a victim of prejudice?
Don't make us laugh.

It's likely you've been marked down due your consistent and long standing unpleasantness. You reap what you sow, Paul.

And anyway, now you're in the thirties and forties.... Are you going to denounce these obviously fake scores as well? Are you eckerslike.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: I am the victim of prejudice on this (and other) comments thread/s. Please note that my comments have been targeted by the mark down imbecile, where other comments of a similar nature to mine on this story have not been marked down. This is the work of those who are from the fairness and equality camp - who do not practise what they preach!!![/p][/quote]Oh you poor lamb. Let's all have a group hug and kiss it better for you. Poor, poor victim of prejudice. Really have you heard yourself? You of all people! Paul Badger Cordock, the King of False Dichotomy, the Preserver and Purveyor of McCarthyism, the truth-bending conspiracy inventor, the insulting, oft-banned, spammer of these pages bleating on about being a victim of prejudice? Don't make us laugh. It's likely you've been marked down due your consistent and long standing unpleasantness. You reap what you sow, Paul. And anyway, now you're in the thirties and forties.... Are you going to denounce these obviously fake scores as well? Are you eckerslike. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 15

12:20am Wed 3 Sep 14

Badgers Drift says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: I am the victim of prejudice on this (and other) comments thread/s. Please note that my comments have been targeted by the mark down imbecile, where other comments of a similar nature to mine on this story have not been marked down. This is the work of those who are from the fairness and equality camp - who do not practise what they preach!!!
Oh you poor lamb. Let's all have a group hug and kiss it better for you. Poor, poor victim of prejudice. Really have you heard yourself? You of all people! Paul Badger Cordock, the King of False Dichotomy, the Preserver and Purveyor of McCarthyism, the truth-bending conspiracy inventor, the insulting, oft-banned, spammer of these pages bleating on about being a victim of prejudice? Don't make us laugh. It's likely you've been marked down due your consistent and long standing unpleasantness. You reap what you sow, Paul. And anyway, now you're in the thirties and forties.... Are you going to denounce these obviously fake scores as well? Are you eckerslike.
Yes, I've heard myself, thanks. Just stating the facts as usual, and commenting on the story.

You should try it, instead of being a stalking troll!
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: I am the victim of prejudice on this (and other) comments thread/s. Please note that my comments have been targeted by the mark down imbecile, where other comments of a similar nature to mine on this story have not been marked down. This is the work of those who are from the fairness and equality camp - who do not practise what they preach!!![/p][/quote]Oh you poor lamb. Let's all have a group hug and kiss it better for you. Poor, poor victim of prejudice. Really have you heard yourself? You of all people! Paul Badger Cordock, the King of False Dichotomy, the Preserver and Purveyor of McCarthyism, the truth-bending conspiracy inventor, the insulting, oft-banned, spammer of these pages bleating on about being a victim of prejudice? Don't make us laugh. It's likely you've been marked down due your consistent and long standing unpleasantness. You reap what you sow, Paul. And anyway, now you're in the thirties and forties.... Are you going to denounce these obviously fake scores as well? Are you eckerslike.[/p][/quote]Yes, I've heard myself, thanks. Just stating the facts as usual, and commenting on the story. You should try it, instead of being a stalking troll! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -12

1:35pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote: I am the victim of prejudice on this (and other) comments thread/s. Please note that my comments have been targeted by the mark down imbecile, where other comments of a similar nature to mine on this story have not been marked down. This is the work of those who are from the fairness and equality camp - who do not practise what they preach!!!
Oh you poor lamb. Let's all have a group hug and kiss it better for you. Poor, poor victim of prejudice. Really have you heard yourself? You of all people! Paul Badger Cordock, the King of False Dichotomy, the Preserver and Purveyor of McCarthyism, the truth-bending conspiracy inventor, the insulting, oft-banned, spammer of these pages bleating on about being a victim of prejudice? Don't make us laugh. It's likely you've been marked down due your consistent and long standing unpleasantness. You reap what you sow, Paul. And anyway, now you're in the thirties and forties.... Are you going to denounce these obviously fake scores as well? Are you eckerslike.
Yes, I've heard myself, thanks. Just stating the facts as usual, and commenting on the story.

You should try it, instead of being a stalking troll!
Think you'll find I always deal in facts. Unlike your "I suspect" and "I believe" and your theories.

You do display some paranoid tendencies, Paul.
I read this site and comment when I want to.
Comment on you and apparently I'm stalking you.
You get marked down and apparently you're a victim of prejudice.
The council apparently is involved in a Marxist plot.
Paranoia!
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: I am the victim of prejudice on this (and other) comments thread/s. Please note that my comments have been targeted by the mark down imbecile, where other comments of a similar nature to mine on this story have not been marked down. This is the work of those who are from the fairness and equality camp - who do not practise what they preach!!![/p][/quote]Oh you poor lamb. Let's all have a group hug and kiss it better for you. Poor, poor victim of prejudice. Really have you heard yourself? You of all people! Paul Badger Cordock, the King of False Dichotomy, the Preserver and Purveyor of McCarthyism, the truth-bending conspiracy inventor, the insulting, oft-banned, spammer of these pages bleating on about being a victim of prejudice? Don't make us laugh. It's likely you've been marked down due your consistent and long standing unpleasantness. You reap what you sow, Paul. And anyway, now you're in the thirties and forties.... Are you going to denounce these obviously fake scores as well? Are you eckerslike.[/p][/quote]Yes, I've heard myself, thanks. Just stating the facts as usual, and commenting on the story. You should try it, instead of being a stalking troll![/p][/quote]Think you'll find I always deal in facts. Unlike your "I suspect" and "I believe" and your theories. You do display some paranoid tendencies, Paul. I read this site and comment when I want to. Comment on you and apparently I'm stalking you. You get marked down and apparently you're a victim of prejudice. The council apparently is involved in a Marxist plot. Paranoia! Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 16
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