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Torrential rain exposes York's drains crisis again

Torrential rain exposes York's drains crisis again

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YORK'S drainage failings have again been exposed today, after a torrential downpour left roads flooded.

Heavy but relatively brief rain fell across York around noon today, and many drains have been overwhelmed.

The Morrisons store in Acomb is also partly flooded, but remains open.

Ealier today, The Press reported claims that cuts to York's gully-cleaning had exacerbated long-standing drainage problems in the city.

Readers have since sent in pictures from Acomb and Holgate, where there is a large amount of standing water in several main roads.

>> email your flood pictures to newsdesk@thepress.co.uk

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Above and below: Near The Fox pub in Holgate. Pictures by Michael Busby.

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A report to city leaders in 2012 said generations of neglect and underinvestment had left York's drains unable to cope with even minor flooding.

Paula Scurfield sent us this picture from Clifton Green, outside the Cakes Delicious cafe:

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Above: Near Morrisons in Acomb (picture by Fiona Cunniff). Below: Holgate (picture: Michael Busby).

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Another reader emailed in the picture below, of the Morrisons store in Acomb:

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Michaela Knight took this picture in Manor Drive North:

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2:15pm Fri 8 Aug 14

AnotherPointofView says...

This on the same day as a report on Flooding has been delayed four times!

... you couldn't make it up.
This on the same day as a report on Flooding has been delayed four times! ... you couldn't make it up. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -15

2:22pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Dithenewbreed says...

Yet again the government and council fail communities! Cutting back on essentials, however billions are spent on legal aid to criminals, free meds, free accommodation, free bus passes to people who contribute nothing to society why are the wrong people supported?
Yet again the government and council fail communities! Cutting back on essentials, however billions are spent on legal aid to criminals, free meds, free accommodation, free bus passes to people who contribute nothing to society why are the wrong people supported? Dithenewbreed
  • Score: -23

2:33pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Madasanibbotson says...

It isn't just "generations of neglect", grass growing around drains is easy and cheap to remove. But this loonie Labour run council would rather spend the money on vanity projects and nonsense.
About time they realised it's our money they are wasting not their own.
Roll on May when they can be removed.
It isn't just "generations of neglect", grass growing around drains is easy and cheap to remove. But this loonie Labour run council would rather spend the money on vanity projects and nonsense. About time they realised it's our money they are wasting not their own. Roll on May when they can be removed. Madasanibbotson
  • Score: 4

2:56pm Fri 8 Aug 14

steveb1607 says...

Typical, basics like drainage maintenance are not done due to cuts. Yet we spend billions on every Tom, Jertzy and Olga coming into this country for a free ride. Its about time this government got its priorities sorted and looked after its own.
Typical, basics like drainage maintenance are not done due to cuts. Yet we spend billions on every Tom, Jertzy and Olga coming into this country for a free ride. Its about time this government got its priorities sorted and looked after its own. steveb1607
  • Score: -8

3:01pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Zetkin says...

Dithenewbreed wrote:
Yet again the government and council fail communities! Cutting back on essentials, however billions are spent on legal aid to criminals, free meds, free accommodation, free bus passes to people who contribute nothing to society why are the wrong people supported?
Claptrap.

Essentials are certainly being cut back but certainly not to spend on Legal Aid which is being denied to the innocent as well as the guilty; and certainly not to spend on other benefits which used to be available to everyone on the basis of need, not whether ot not they fit your personal definition of "contribute".

The question isn't do we spend on welfare or the drains? it's why is this vicious government cutting anything and everything? And the answer to that is so that their super-rich pals can get even richer - people at the top of society who are rich beyond the dreams of avarice, whose only "contribution" is a few thousand quid to the Tory Party every now and then when they want to ensure a mention in the New Year's honours list.
[quote][p][bold]Dithenewbreed[/bold] wrote: Yet again the government and council fail communities! Cutting back on essentials, however billions are spent on legal aid to criminals, free meds, free accommodation, free bus passes to people who contribute nothing to society why are the wrong people supported?[/p][/quote]Claptrap. Essentials are certainly being cut back but certainly not to spend on Legal Aid which is being denied to the innocent as well as the guilty; and certainly not to spend on other benefits which used to be available to everyone on the basis of need, not whether ot not they fit your personal definition of "contribute". The question isn't do we spend on welfare or the drains? it's why is this vicious government cutting anything and everything? And the answer to that is so that their super-rich pals can get even richer - people at the top of society who are rich beyond the dreams of avarice, whose only "contribution" is a few thousand quid to the Tory Party every now and then when they want to ensure a mention in the New Year's honours list. Zetkin
  • Score: 78

3:03pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Zetkin says...

steveb1607 wrote:
Typical, basics like drainage maintenance are not done due to cuts. Yet we spend billions on every Tom, Jertzy and Olga coming into this country for a free ride. Its about time this government got its priorities sorted and looked after its own.
It does look after its own.

Richard Branson gets richer by the minute, the royals bask in luxury at our expense, the arms dealers grow fat on the slaughter in the middle east, and profits rise while wages fall.
[quote][p][bold]steveb1607[/bold] wrote: Typical, basics like drainage maintenance are not done due to cuts. Yet we spend billions on every Tom, Jertzy and Olga coming into this country for a free ride. Its about time this government got its priorities sorted and looked after its own.[/p][/quote]It does look after its own. Richard Branson gets richer by the minute, the royals bask in luxury at our expense, the arms dealers grow fat on the slaughter in the middle east, and profits rise while wages fall. Zetkin
  • Score: 74

3:05pm Fri 8 Aug 14

smudge2 says...

Zetkin wrote:
steveb1607 wrote:
Typical, basics like drainage maintenance are not done due to cuts. Yet we spend billions on every Tom, Jertzy and Olga coming into this country for a free ride. Its about time this government got its priorities sorted and looked after its own.
It does look after its own.

Richard Branson gets richer by the minute, the royals bask in luxury at our expense, the arms dealers grow fat on the slaughter in the middle east, and profits rise while wages fall.
Capitalism at its finest !!
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steveb1607[/bold] wrote: Typical, basics like drainage maintenance are not done due to cuts. Yet we spend billions on every Tom, Jertzy and Olga coming into this country for a free ride. Its about time this government got its priorities sorted and looked after its own.[/p][/quote]It does look after its own. Richard Branson gets richer by the minute, the royals bask in luxury at our expense, the arms dealers grow fat on the slaughter in the middle east, and profits rise while wages fall.[/p][/quote]Capitalism at its finest !! smudge2
  • Score: 1

3:10pm Fri 8 Aug 14

again says...

Tax the rich.

Take a look at one example: Bernie Ecclestone, Formula 1 racing boss.

Instead of paying £1.2bn in tax, he came to an arrangement with HMRC and paid £10m, yes just one man 'avoided' paying £1.19 BILLION in tax.

And then we are expected to watch the dreary spectacle on public TV!

They'll be loads more like him; it's just the ordinary Joe and Jill who pay their fair share of tax. And no, i don't do 'cash in hand' deals. Do you?
Tax the rich. Take a look at one example: Bernie Ecclestone, Formula 1 racing boss. Instead of paying £1.2bn in tax, he came to an arrangement with HMRC and paid £10m, yes just one man 'avoided' paying £1.19 BILLION in tax. And then we are expected to watch the dreary spectacle on public TV! They'll be loads more like him; it's just the ordinary Joe and Jill who pay their fair share of tax. And no, i don't do 'cash in hand' deals. Do you? again
  • Score: 43

3:10pm Fri 8 Aug 14

nowthen says...

Zetkin wrote:
Dithenewbreed wrote:
Yet again the government and council fail communities! Cutting back on essentials, however billions are spent on legal aid to criminals, free meds, free accommodation, free bus passes to people who contribute nothing to society why are the wrong people supported?
Claptrap.

Essentials are certainly being cut back but certainly not to spend on Legal Aid which is being denied to the innocent as well as the guilty; and certainly not to spend on other benefits which used to be available to everyone on the basis of need, not whether ot not they fit your personal definition of "contribute".

The question isn't do we spend on welfare or the drains? it's why is this vicious government cutting anything and everything? And the answer to that is so that their super-rich pals can get even richer - people at the top of society who are rich beyond the dreams of avarice, whose only "contribution" is a few thousand quid to the Tory Party every now and then when they want to ensure a mention in the New Year's honours list.
So £500,000 on a new seating area for the choccy shop in King's square is an essential, £600,000 so Anna Semlyen can keep her 20' plenty job is an essential, £250,00 a year in interest for loans to fund Merret's vanity schemes is an essential, free ( not ) wifi , esential, arts barge essential, need I go on. Alexander is squandering money on non essentials to make a political point and just to suck up to the unions and Labour party. Core services should be supported first and if there's any money left then you can have a splurge on luxuries.
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dithenewbreed[/bold] wrote: Yet again the government and council fail communities! Cutting back on essentials, however billions are spent on legal aid to criminals, free meds, free accommodation, free bus passes to people who contribute nothing to society why are the wrong people supported?[/p][/quote]Claptrap. Essentials are certainly being cut back but certainly not to spend on Legal Aid which is being denied to the innocent as well as the guilty; and certainly not to spend on other benefits which used to be available to everyone on the basis of need, not whether ot not they fit your personal definition of "contribute". The question isn't do we spend on welfare or the drains? it's why is this vicious government cutting anything and everything? And the answer to that is so that their super-rich pals can get even richer - people at the top of society who are rich beyond the dreams of avarice, whose only "contribution" is a few thousand quid to the Tory Party every now and then when they want to ensure a mention in the New Year's honours list.[/p][/quote]So £500,000 on a new seating area for the choccy shop in King's square is an essential, £600,000 so Anna Semlyen can keep her 20' plenty job is an essential, £250,00 a year in interest for loans to fund Merret's vanity schemes is an essential, free ( not ) wifi , esential, arts barge essential, need I go on. Alexander is squandering money on non essentials to make a political point and just to suck up to the unions and Labour party. Core services should be supported first and if there's any money left then you can have a splurge on luxuries. nowthen
  • Score: 15

3:18pm Fri 8 Aug 14

AnotherPointofView says...

again wrote:
Tax the rich.

Take a look at one example: Bernie Ecclestone, Formula 1 racing boss.

Instead of paying £1.2bn in tax, he came to an arrangement with HMRC and paid £10m, yes just one man 'avoided' paying £1.19 BILLION in tax.

And then we are expected to watch the dreary spectacle on public TV!

They'll be loads more like him; it's just the ordinary Joe and Jill who pay their fair share of tax. And no, i don't do 'cash in hand' deals. Do you?
The irony about Ecclestone is that recently he was on bribery charges in a German court and facing up to ten years in jail.

The charges were dropped when he agreed to pay £60 million.

If that in itself isn't bribery, then what is?
[quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: Tax the rich. Take a look at one example: Bernie Ecclestone, Formula 1 racing boss. Instead of paying £1.2bn in tax, he came to an arrangement with HMRC and paid £10m, yes just one man 'avoided' paying £1.19 BILLION in tax. And then we are expected to watch the dreary spectacle on public TV! They'll be loads more like him; it's just the ordinary Joe and Jill who pay their fair share of tax. And no, i don't do 'cash in hand' deals. Do you?[/p][/quote]The irony about Ecclestone is that recently he was on bribery charges in a German court and facing up to ten years in jail. The charges were dropped when he agreed to pay £60 million. If that in itself isn't bribery, then what is? AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -10

3:35pm Fri 8 Aug 14

smudge2 says...

All those business rates paid by Morrisons and the councils blocked drains have been responsible for flooding the store...What would Sir Ken make of that I wonder. ???
All those business rates paid by Morrisons and the councils blocked drains have been responsible for flooding the store...What would Sir Ken make of that I wonder. ??? smudge2
  • Score: -35

3:42pm Fri 8 Aug 14

bolero says...

What has Bernie Eccleston to do with drain cleaning in York? This is all down to inept, profligate spending and crass maladministration by successive councils in York. They have all known about this problem for years and done absolutely nothing about it whilst spending OUR money on crackpot vanity schemes. It'll be good to get rid of this numb brain labour lot next May but what have we waiting in the wings? Another lot of allowance and expense grabbing scallywags. Good for nothing but lining their own pockets. Oh! knock on my door please.
What has Bernie Eccleston to do with drain cleaning in York? This is all down to inept, profligate spending and crass maladministration by successive councils in York. They have all known about this problem for years and done absolutely nothing about it whilst spending OUR money on crackpot vanity schemes. It'll be good to get rid of this numb brain labour lot next May but what have we waiting in the wings? Another lot of allowance and expense grabbing scallywags. Good for nothing but lining their own pockets. Oh! knock on my door please. bolero
  • Score: -28

3:48pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Jack Ham says...

It never ceases to amaze me how the loony left can blame capitalism for things like this.

The plain facts are that our Labour Council, with poor guidance from a group of low grade senior officers, have chosen to spend OUR money on THEIR pet projects.

Why worry about roads, buses, street lights and litter bins when you've got your paws on the cheque book and can travel the world, have 'fairness' commissions, nice new offices and your own arts barge?

Why worry about flooding when you can spend half a million quid repaving a town square or over a million on a cycle path nobody uses.

No doubt they'll blame 'cuts'. No doubt they'll blame 'tory's' but the game is up.

We know whose fault it is. York Labour. And we know who you are.

Alexander, Simpson Laing, England, Merrett, Levene et al.

Shameful.
It never ceases to amaze me how the loony left can blame capitalism for things like this. The plain facts are that our Labour Council, with poor guidance from a group of low grade senior officers, have chosen to spend OUR money on THEIR pet projects. Why worry about roads, buses, street lights and litter bins when you've got your paws on the cheque book and can travel the world, have 'fairness' commissions, nice new offices and your own arts barge? Why worry about flooding when you can spend half a million quid repaving a town square or over a million on a cycle path nobody uses. No doubt they'll blame 'cuts'. No doubt they'll blame 'tory's' but the game is up. We know whose fault it is. York Labour. And we know who you are. Alexander, Simpson Laing, England, Merrett, Levene et al. Shameful. Jack Ham
  • Score: 1

3:52pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Fulford Flan Flinger says...

Crisis?? "Oooh we've got a bit of water in York" "oooh it rains in Britain and the drains get blocked" Please.
Gaza is a crisis! Ebola is a crisis. Not the bloody drains. Or, if you like, a bit closer to home is families not being able to feed their kids! Get real York
Crisis?? "Oooh we've got a bit of water in York" "oooh it rains in Britain and the drains get blocked" Please. Gaza is a crisis! Ebola is a crisis. Not the bloody drains. Or, if you like, a bit closer to home is families not being able to feed their kids! Get real York Fulford Flan Flinger
  • Score: 70

4:04pm Fri 8 Aug 14

nottoooldtocare says...

Zetkin wrote:
Dithenewbreed wrote:
Yet again the government and council fail communities! Cutting back on essentials, however billions are spent on legal aid to criminals, free meds, free accommodation, free bus passes to people who contribute nothing to society why are the wrong people supported?
Claptrap.

Essentials are certainly being cut back but certainly not to spend on Legal Aid which is being denied to the innocent as well as the guilty; and certainly not to spend on other benefits which used to be available to everyone on the basis of need, not whether ot not they fit your personal definition of "contribute".

The question isn't do we spend on welfare or the drains? it's why is this vicious government cutting anything and everything? And the answer to that is so that their super-rich pals can get even richer - people at the top of society who are rich beyond the dreams of avarice, whose only "contribution" is a few thousand quid to the Tory Party every now and then when they want to ensure a mention in the New Year's honours list.
I think you are clouding the issue here mixing central and local politics. Central government is one thing, and you can do what you want when the election comes, local spending is another. You could argue that the Tories look after their own, but then don't all parties?

If memory serves me well didn't Labour take over and inherit a pretty full bank account? What did they do with it all? Created hundreds of thousands of posts in the public sector, (all to pay for out of the private sector that you seem to loath so much), and what did they produce? Nowt!

You mention the likes of Branson and Ecclestone doing what they can to avoid paying any more tax than they need, why wouldn't they? I wonder what they think when they look at all the effort they have put in to get wealthy, the risks they have taken and the hard times that they will have endured before getting to where they are, when they look at what governments squander the taxes on. Look at York and the money that gets spent on non necessary projects (during a recession) rather than some of the essential services, and this by a Labour party (for the people or something like that is the slogan isn't it)?

Sadly you get oafs like Alexander, TSL, and Merritt that make a point of cutting back on essential services, purely to score points by blaming central government cuts. All towns and cities are feeling the pinch, and rightly so. Some however are choosing to invest what they do get in the best interests of the people they take rates and rent from.

I don't doubt I will now be labelled a right wing Tory etc. but the reality is I work for the government and see the money that gets wasted and the sycophantic management that has crept in. I also have little faith in any of the main parties as they are primarily all from pampered backgrounds and have been through cloning school (Oxford & Cambridge to the man on the street). and are too close to call. Sadly now, across most gov' departments, you have vain managers (who call themselves leaders) who are too concerned with who they meet, how they are seen and how they might progress rather than deliver the job they are paid to do. Until those around them "grow some" and tell the emperor that they look a tw*t without any clothes it will only get worse.
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dithenewbreed[/bold] wrote: Yet again the government and council fail communities! Cutting back on essentials, however billions are spent on legal aid to criminals, free meds, free accommodation, free bus passes to people who contribute nothing to society why are the wrong people supported?[/p][/quote]Claptrap. Essentials are certainly being cut back but certainly not to spend on Legal Aid which is being denied to the innocent as well as the guilty; and certainly not to spend on other benefits which used to be available to everyone on the basis of need, not whether ot not they fit your personal definition of "contribute". The question isn't do we spend on welfare or the drains? it's why is this vicious government cutting anything and everything? And the answer to that is so that their super-rich pals can get even richer - people at the top of society who are rich beyond the dreams of avarice, whose only "contribution" is a few thousand quid to the Tory Party every now and then when they want to ensure a mention in the New Year's honours list.[/p][/quote]I think you are clouding the issue here mixing central and local politics. Central government is one thing, and you can do what you want when the election comes, local spending is another. You could argue that the Tories look after their own, but then don't all parties? If memory serves me well didn't Labour take over and inherit a pretty full bank account? What did they do with it all? Created hundreds of thousands of posts in the public sector, (all to pay for out of the private sector that you seem to loath so much), and what did they produce? Nowt! You mention the likes of Branson and Ecclestone doing what they can to avoid paying any more tax than they need, why wouldn't they? I wonder what they think when they look at all the effort they have put in to get wealthy, the risks they have taken and the hard times that they will have endured before getting to where they are, when they look at what governments squander the taxes on. Look at York and the money that gets spent on non necessary projects (during a recession) rather than some of the essential services, and this by a Labour party (for the people or something like that is the slogan isn't it)? Sadly you get oafs like Alexander, TSL, and Merritt that make a point of cutting back on essential services, purely to score points by blaming central government cuts. All towns and cities are feeling the pinch, and rightly so. Some however are choosing to invest what they do get in the best interests of the people they take rates and rent from. I don't doubt I will now be labelled a right wing Tory etc. but the reality is I work for the government and see the money that gets wasted and the sycophantic management that has crept in. I also have little faith in any of the main parties as they are primarily all from pampered backgrounds and have been through cloning school (Oxford & Cambridge to the man on the street). and are too close to call. Sadly now, across most gov' departments, you have vain managers (who call themselves leaders) who are too concerned with who they meet, how they are seen and how they might progress rather than deliver the job they are paid to do. Until those around them "grow some" and tell the emperor that they look a tw*t without any clothes it will only get worse. nottoooldtocare
  • Score: 40

4:13pm Fri 8 Aug 14

CaroleBaines says...

Jack Ham wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how the loony left can blame capitalism for things like this.

The plain facts are that our Labour Council, with poor guidance from a group of low grade senior officers, have chosen to spend OUR money on THEIR pet projects.

Why worry about roads, buses, street lights and litter bins when you've got your paws on the cheque book and can travel the world, have 'fairness' commissions, nice new offices and your own arts barge?

Why worry about flooding when you can spend half a million quid repaving a town square or over a million on a cycle path nobody uses.

No doubt they'll blame 'cuts'. No doubt they'll blame 'tory's' but the game is up.

We know whose fault it is. York Labour. And we know who you are.

Alexander, Simpson Laing, England, Merrett, Levene et al.

Shameful.
Once someone resorts to insults, you know they are struggling. Says more about you and frankly, I would be grateful if you did not refer to me as loony. Thank you.
That aside, there is no reason to compare incompetence at a local level with poor taxation legislation nationally. It is desirable, surely, to have fair taxation AND decent local services. One might even suggest one leads to or at least assists the other.
Governments of all colours have taken us for a ride these last few decades, under the cosh of oligarchs, big business and the media. So, lets not continue to let them off by seeing one as all bad and another as all good. It is time for change - its time to call question ALL politicians and stop the rose tinted bias that lets them off the hook.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: It never ceases to amaze me how the loony left can blame capitalism for things like this. The plain facts are that our Labour Council, with poor guidance from a group of low grade senior officers, have chosen to spend OUR money on THEIR pet projects. Why worry about roads, buses, street lights and litter bins when you've got your paws on the cheque book and can travel the world, have 'fairness' commissions, nice new offices and your own arts barge? Why worry about flooding when you can spend half a million quid repaving a town square or over a million on a cycle path nobody uses. No doubt they'll blame 'cuts'. No doubt they'll blame 'tory's' but the game is up. We know whose fault it is. York Labour. And we know who you are. Alexander, Simpson Laing, England, Merrett, Levene et al. Shameful.[/p][/quote]Once someone resorts to insults, you know they are struggling. Says more about you and frankly, I would be grateful if you did not refer to me as loony. Thank you. That aside, there is no reason to compare incompetence at a local level with poor taxation legislation nationally. It is desirable, surely, to have fair taxation AND decent local services. One might even suggest one leads to or at least assists the other. Governments of all colours have taken us for a ride these last few decades, under the cosh of oligarchs, big business and the media. So, lets not continue to let them off by seeing one as all bad and another as all good. It is time for change - its time to call question ALL politicians and stop the rose tinted bias that lets them off the hook. CaroleBaines
  • Score: -19

4:27pm Fri 8 Aug 14

gwen4me says...

Cunningly enough the water disappeared as soon as the rain stopped, but don't let that spoil the fun.
Cunningly enough the water disappeared as soon as the rain stopped, but don't let that spoil the fun. gwen4me
  • Score: -47

4:46pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Monks Boss says...

Thumbs UP who cant wait for these jesters to be excused from power next may?!
Thumbs UP who cant wait for these jesters to be excused from power next may?! Monks Boss
  • Score: 28

5:30pm Fri 8 Aug 14

bolero says...

Excuse me for interrupting but are we reading a newspaper or a rag? I've just read two articles; both dated SATURDAY 8 August and one is about an incident several weeks ago. Come on; not good enough.
Excuse me for interrupting but are we reading a newspaper or a rag? I've just read two articles; both dated SATURDAY 8 August and one is about an incident several weeks ago. Come on; not good enough. bolero
  • Score: -45

5:38pm Fri 8 Aug 14

ouseswimmer says...

Bernie Ecclestone is just the tip of the iceberg. Take a look at certain local businesses which pay no tax. A certain restaurant in Swinegate is well known to be sending its cash abroad, paying no tax. That is what is affecting local services or the lack of them. Add in the large multi-nationals such as Starbucks and as always its only the little people paying the taxes as Leona Helmsley would say.
Bernie Ecclestone is just the tip of the iceberg. Take a look at certain local businesses which pay no tax. A certain restaurant in Swinegate is well known to be sending its cash abroad, paying no tax. That is what is affecting local services or the lack of them. Add in the large multi-nationals such as Starbucks and as always its only the little people paying the taxes as Leona Helmsley would say. ouseswimmer
  • Score: -54

6:07pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Noods333 says...

Fulford Flan Flinger wrote:
Crisis?? "Oooh we've got a bit of water in York" "oooh it rains in Britain and the drains get blocked" Please.
Gaza is a crisis! Ebola is a crisis. Not the bloody drains. Or, if you like, a bit closer to home is families not being able to feed their kids! Get real York
whats gazzas crisis now has he run out of newkie brown?
[quote][p][bold]Fulford Flan Flinger[/bold] wrote: Crisis?? "Oooh we've got a bit of water in York" "oooh it rains in Britain and the drains get blocked" Please. Gaza is a crisis! Ebola is a crisis. Not the bloody drains. Or, if you like, a bit closer to home is families not being able to feed their kids! Get real York[/p][/quote]whats gazzas crisis now has he run out of newkie brown? Noods333
  • Score: 65

6:09pm Fri 8 Aug 14

the 99% says...

To my understanding it is the responsibility of Yorkshire water to inspect and maintain the drains and sewers in york. There is a number on the council website that I have just used to call them to report that in my opinion the drains in my street are performing badly. To there credit they have assured me an inspection will be carried out in the next 36 hours. They will even text you when they have been!
The number is 08451 242429
To my understanding it is the responsibility of Yorkshire water to inspect and maintain the drains and sewers in york. There is a number on the council website that I have just used to call them to report that in my opinion the drains in my street are performing badly. To there credit they have assured me an inspection will be carried out in the next 36 hours. They will even text you when they have been! The number is 08451 242429 the 99%
  • Score: -40

6:41pm Fri 8 Aug 14

gjh says...

the 99% wrote:
To my understanding it is the responsibility of Yorkshire water to inspect and maintain the drains and sewers in york. There is a number on the council website that I have just used to call them to report that in my opinion the drains in my street are performing badly. To there credit they have assured me an inspection will be carried out in the next 36 hours. They will even text you when they have been!
The number is 08451 242429
Thank you for pointing out that drainage is the responsibility of Yorkshire Water and not the City Council. Yorkshire Water has been making very nice profits for many years through not maintaining nor improving its assets whilst charging us all. But never let the truth get in the way of an opportunity to bash the Council.
[quote][p][bold]the 99%[/bold] wrote: To my understanding it is the responsibility of Yorkshire water to inspect and maintain the drains and sewers in york. There is a number on the council website that I have just used to call them to report that in my opinion the drains in my street are performing badly. To there credit they have assured me an inspection will be carried out in the next 36 hours. They will even text you when they have been! The number is 08451 242429[/p][/quote]Thank you for pointing out that drainage is the responsibility of Yorkshire Water and not the City Council. Yorkshire Water has been making very nice profits for many years through not maintaining nor improving its assets whilst charging us all. But never let the truth get in the way of an opportunity to bash the Council. gjh
  • Score: 24

7:22pm Fri 8 Aug 14

nowthen says...

gjh wrote:
the 99% wrote:
To my understanding it is the responsibility of Yorkshire water to inspect and maintain the drains and sewers in york. There is a number on the council website that I have just used to call them to report that in my opinion the drains in my street are performing badly. To there credit they have assured me an inspection will be carried out in the next 36 hours. They will even text you when they have been!
The number is 08451 242429
Thank you for pointing out that drainage is the responsibility of Yorkshire Water and not the City Council. Yorkshire Water has been making very nice profits for many years through not maintaining nor improving its assets whilst charging us all. But never let the truth get in the way of an opportunity to bash the Council.
Highway drainage is the responsibility of the council's highways department , they ( are supposed to ) look after and clean out the gulleys at the side of the road. if the gulleys are clear and discharge into a public sewer that is blocked or full of water then it's Yorkshire Water's responsibility. If there is flooding because the gulleys at the side of the road are blocked because of lack of maintenance then it's the Council's responsibility.
[quote][p][bold]gjh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the 99%[/bold] wrote: To my understanding it is the responsibility of Yorkshire water to inspect and maintain the drains and sewers in york. There is a number on the council website that I have just used to call them to report that in my opinion the drains in my street are performing badly. To there credit they have assured me an inspection will be carried out in the next 36 hours. They will even text you when they have been! The number is 08451 242429[/p][/quote]Thank you for pointing out that drainage is the responsibility of Yorkshire Water and not the City Council. Yorkshire Water has been making very nice profits for many years through not maintaining nor improving its assets whilst charging us all. But never let the truth get in the way of an opportunity to bash the Council.[/p][/quote]Highway drainage is the responsibility of the council's highways department , they ( are supposed to ) look after and clean out the gulleys at the side of the road. if the gulleys are clear and discharge into a public sewer that is blocked or full of water then it's Yorkshire Water's responsibility. If there is flooding because the gulleys at the side of the road are blocked because of lack of maintenance then it's the Council's responsibility. nowthen
  • Score: 27

7:26pm Fri 8 Aug 14

pedalling paul says...

From the CoYC website......

Sewerage services in the area are managed by Yorkshire Water.

The law governing land drainage is complex, with statutory responsibilities split between several organisations of which the Council is one. Other authorities with land drainage and flood risk management responsibilities are Internal Drainage Boards and the Environment Agency. All of these authorities have permissive powers over ordinary watercourses, which includes approval of proposed works and requiring landowners to undertake maintenance works to watercourses to prevent nuisance. Responsibility for the upkeep of ordinary watercourses usually falls to landowners as riparian owners.

The Environment Agency is responsible for main rivers; the Ouse, Foss and Derwent, and also critical ordinary watercourses which are those which have the potential to cause property flooding. These are Bur Dike, Tang Hall Beck, Osbaldwick Beck, Holgate Beck and Blue Beck.

One wonders whether the time is ripe for a national reform of the land drainage legislation, to simplify the complex layer of responsibility. Meantime once again on these forums, the usual suspects start bashing the ruling Labour group, with clearly no understanding of the underlying Land drainage admin. structure.
From the CoYC website...... Sewerage services in the area are managed by Yorkshire Water. The law governing land drainage is complex, with statutory responsibilities split between several organisations of which the Council is one. Other authorities with land drainage and flood risk management responsibilities are Internal Drainage Boards and the Environment Agency. All of these authorities have permissive powers over ordinary watercourses, which includes approval of proposed works and requiring landowners to undertake maintenance works to watercourses to prevent nuisance. Responsibility for the upkeep of ordinary watercourses usually falls to landowners as riparian owners. The Environment Agency is responsible for main rivers; the Ouse, Foss and Derwent, and also critical ordinary watercourses which are those which have the potential to cause property flooding. These are Bur Dike, Tang Hall Beck, Osbaldwick Beck, Holgate Beck and Blue Beck. One wonders whether the time is ripe for a national reform of the land drainage legislation, to simplify the complex layer of responsibility. Meantime once again on these forums, the usual suspects start bashing the ruling Labour group, with clearly no understanding of the underlying Land drainage admin. structure. pedalling paul
  • Score: 89

7:40pm Fri 8 Aug 14

BethFoxhunter96 says...

I am finding it very difficult to make sense of the comments above. How on earth can drainage be turned into a political issue?

I got very wet today out in Holgate. The rain was exceptional - I've never seen anything like it. I thought the water drained away very quickly. We don't have storm sewers like the USA does because we only get that sort of rain very rarely and not for very long. The drains seemed to fair a lot better than my umbrella. My attempts to hide under a tree equally failed.
I am finding it very difficult to make sense of the comments above. How on earth can drainage be turned into a political issue? I got very wet today out in Holgate. The rain was exceptional - I've never seen anything like it. I thought the water drained away very quickly. We don't have storm sewers like the USA does because we only get that sort of rain very rarely and not for very long. The drains seemed to fair a lot better than my umbrella. My attempts to hide under a tree equally failed. BethFoxhunter96
  • Score: 116

7:40pm Fri 8 Aug 14

nottoooldtocare says...

pedalling paul wrote:
From the CoYC website......

Sewerage services in the area are managed by Yorkshire Water.

The law governing land drainage is complex, with statutory responsibilities split between several organisations of which the Council is one. Other authorities with land drainage and flood risk management responsibilities are Internal Drainage Boards and the Environment Agency. All of these authorities have permissive powers over ordinary watercourses, which includes approval of proposed works and requiring landowners to undertake maintenance works to watercourses to prevent nuisance. Responsibility for the upkeep of ordinary watercourses usually falls to landowners as riparian owners.

The Environment Agency is responsible for main rivers; the Ouse, Foss and Derwent, and also critical ordinary watercourses which are those which have the potential to cause property flooding. These are Bur Dike, Tang Hall Beck, Osbaldwick Beck, Holgate Beck and Blue Beck.

One wonders whether the time is ripe for a national reform of the land drainage legislation, to simplify the complex layer of responsibility. Meantime once again on these forums, the usual suspects start bashing the ruling Labour group, with clearly no understanding of the underlying Land drainage admin. structure.
There is a very good reason they start bashing the ruling party, and that is because they are to blame for the blocked gulleys. Trying to cloud the issue by bringing in riparian responsibilities drainage boards and the like I assume is to try and direct flack away from COYC, it won't work.

By all means carry out a reform, but don't duck the issues and try to muddy the waters. As nowthen responded, highway drainage is the responsibility of the council's highways department , they ( are supposed to ) look after and clean out the gulleys at the side of the road. Given you are so well informed, perhaps you can explain why it isn't happening?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: From the CoYC website...... Sewerage services in the area are managed by Yorkshire Water. The law governing land drainage is complex, with statutory responsibilities split between several organisations of which the Council is one. Other authorities with land drainage and flood risk management responsibilities are Internal Drainage Boards and the Environment Agency. All of these authorities have permissive powers over ordinary watercourses, which includes approval of proposed works and requiring landowners to undertake maintenance works to watercourses to prevent nuisance. Responsibility for the upkeep of ordinary watercourses usually falls to landowners as riparian owners. The Environment Agency is responsible for main rivers; the Ouse, Foss and Derwent, and also critical ordinary watercourses which are those which have the potential to cause property flooding. These are Bur Dike, Tang Hall Beck, Osbaldwick Beck, Holgate Beck and Blue Beck. One wonders whether the time is ripe for a national reform of the land drainage legislation, to simplify the complex layer of responsibility. Meantime once again on these forums, the usual suspects start bashing the ruling Labour group, with clearly no understanding of the underlying Land drainage admin. structure.[/p][/quote]There is a very good reason they start bashing the ruling party, and that is because they are to blame for the blocked gulleys. Trying to cloud the issue by bringing in riparian responsibilities drainage boards and the like I assume is to try and direct flack away from COYC, it won't work. By all means carry out a reform, but don't duck the issues and try to muddy the waters. As nowthen responded, highway drainage is the responsibility of the council's highways department , they ( are supposed to ) look after and clean out the gulleys at the side of the road. Given you are so well informed, perhaps you can explain why it isn't happening? nottoooldtocare
  • Score: -83

7:45pm Fri 8 Aug 14

bolero says...

pedalling paul wrote:
From the CoYC website......

Sewerage services in the area are managed by Yorkshire Water.

The law governing land drainage is complex, with statutory responsibilities split between several organisations of which the Council is one. Other authorities with land drainage and flood risk management responsibilities are Internal Drainage Boards and the Environment Agency. All of these authorities have permissive powers over ordinary watercourses, which includes approval of proposed works and requiring landowners to undertake maintenance works to watercourses to prevent nuisance. Responsibility for the upkeep of ordinary watercourses usually falls to landowners as riparian owners.

The Environment Agency is responsible for main rivers; the Ouse, Foss and Derwent, and also critical ordinary watercourses which are those which have the potential to cause property flooding. These are Bur Dike, Tang Hall Beck, Osbaldwick Beck, Holgate Beck and Blue Beck.

One wonders whether the time is ripe for a national reform of the land drainage legislation, to simplify the complex layer of responsibility. Meantime once again on these forums, the usual suspects start bashing the ruling Labour group, with clearly no understanding of the underlying Land drainage admin. structure.
If as much money had not been spent on useless, unused cycle paths and other stupid labour vanity projects there might even be enough money to spend on real necessities like gulley cleaning. Why don't you get on your bike and take a pedal down the Ouse.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: From the CoYC website...... Sewerage services in the area are managed by Yorkshire Water. The law governing land drainage is complex, with statutory responsibilities split between several organisations of which the Council is one. Other authorities with land drainage and flood risk management responsibilities are Internal Drainage Boards and the Environment Agency. All of these authorities have permissive powers over ordinary watercourses, which includes approval of proposed works and requiring landowners to undertake maintenance works to watercourses to prevent nuisance. Responsibility for the upkeep of ordinary watercourses usually falls to landowners as riparian owners. The Environment Agency is responsible for main rivers; the Ouse, Foss and Derwent, and also critical ordinary watercourses which are those which have the potential to cause property flooding. These are Bur Dike, Tang Hall Beck, Osbaldwick Beck, Holgate Beck and Blue Beck. One wonders whether the time is ripe for a national reform of the land drainage legislation, to simplify the complex layer of responsibility. Meantime once again on these forums, the usual suspects start bashing the ruling Labour group, with clearly no understanding of the underlying Land drainage admin. structure.[/p][/quote]If as much money had not been spent on useless, unused cycle paths and other stupid labour vanity projects there might even be enough money to spend on real necessities like gulley cleaning. Why don't you get on your bike and take a pedal down the Ouse. bolero
  • Score: -80

8:04pm Fri 8 Aug 14

yorkandproud says...

BethFoxhunter96 wrote:
I am finding it very difficult to make sense of the comments above. How on earth can drainage be turned into a political issue?

I got very wet today out in Holgate. The rain was exceptional - I've never seen anything like it. I thought the water drained away very quickly. We don't have storm sewers like the USA does because we only get that sort of rain very rarely and not for very long. The drains seemed to fair a lot better than my umbrella. My attempts to hide under a tree equally failed.
In our street , the water is standing in the road because the drains have not been cleaned out this year. The usual suspects always turn every issue into a leftie rant. The thing that others are pointing out , is why COYC are wasting money on senseless, and unecessary projects, when the jobs that residents pay their council tax for are neglected. Alexander , Simpson Laing , and their cronies just don't carry out the wishes of the residents of York.
[quote][p][bold]BethFoxhunter96[/bold] wrote: I am finding it very difficult to make sense of the comments above. How on earth can drainage be turned into a political issue? I got very wet today out in Holgate. The rain was exceptional - I've never seen anything like it. I thought the water drained away very quickly. We don't have storm sewers like the USA does because we only get that sort of rain very rarely and not for very long. The drains seemed to fair a lot better than my umbrella. My attempts to hide under a tree equally failed.[/p][/quote]In our street , the water is standing in the road because the drains have not been cleaned out this year. The usual suspects always turn every issue into a leftie rant. The thing that others are pointing out , is why COYC are wasting money on senseless, and unecessary projects, when the jobs that residents pay their council tax for are neglected. Alexander , Simpson Laing , and their cronies just don't carry out the wishes of the residents of York. yorkandproud
  • Score: -63

8:22pm Fri 8 Aug 14

yorkshirelad says...

I also think it's hilarious that every local issue gets turned into a council bashing session. The heavy showers have been some of the worst I've seen for ages. The streets are essentially...re, clear! Some localised flooding, yes....by all accounts in lots of areas across the country. And....the water will be gone by tomorrow...

Whether it's green bins, a couple of inches of standing water, a slightly raised paving stone or whatever it's pretty clear that a council ( any council!) can't do everything instantly at all times.

Perhaps the inflammatory headline....but really we need to get a grip!
I also think it's hilarious that every local issue gets turned into a council bashing session. The heavy showers have been some of the worst I've seen for ages. The streets are essentially...re, clear! Some localised flooding, yes....by all accounts in lots of areas across the country. And....the water will be gone by tomorrow... Whether it's green bins, a couple of inches of standing water, a slightly raised paving stone or whatever it's pretty clear that a council ( any council!) can't do everything instantly at all times. Perhaps the inflammatory headline....but really we need to get a grip! yorkshirelad
  • Score: 43

8:31pm Fri 8 Aug 14

maybejustmaybe says...

After a couple of emails the gulley outside our house got emptied. Unfortunately they didn't do the rest on our side of the street and our one is now trying to take the surplus!
After a couple of emails the gulley outside our house got emptied. Unfortunately they didn't do the rest on our side of the street and our one is now trying to take the surplus! maybejustmaybe
  • Score: -21

8:35pm Fri 8 Aug 14

bolero says...

Have you noticed that Pedalling Paul the sycophant has come on the scene and immediately the votes go haywire.
Have you noticed that Pedalling Paul the sycophant has come on the scene and immediately the votes go haywire. bolero
  • Score: -15

8:54pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Dave Ruddock says...

stupid question, but does this score thing actually do anything at all
stupid question, but does this score thing actually do anything at all Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 6

9:07pm Fri 8 Aug 14

sniper 9964 says...

Morrisons putting profit before safety
Morrisons putting profit before safety sniper 9964
  • Score: -16

9:12pm Fri 8 Aug 14

theexile says...

Maybe the acomb morrisons was built by the same firm that did the new council offices....noticed when I had reason to visit the west offices today there was a number of leaks from the inside pipes that collect water for recycling or harvesting. Not the first time this has happened and the place is just over a year old. Anybody else noticed or heard about this??
Maybe the acomb morrisons was built by the same firm that did the new council offices....noticed when I had reason to visit the west offices today there was a number of leaks from the inside pipes that collect water for recycling or harvesting. Not the first time this has happened and the place is just over a year old. Anybody else noticed or heard about this?? theexile
  • Score: 2

9:27pm Fri 8 Aug 14

nottoooldtocare says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
stupid question, but does this score thing actually do anything at all
It doesn't mean a thing really Dave, what tends to happen is somebody levels a criticism against COYC (the fact they are Labour is irrelevant), and they have a lickspittle that gets onto the system somehow and adjusts the scores to make it appear that nobody else agrees with your comment. The reality is that the minute posters see the huge swing protecting or favouring the Council it generally suggests the posters point of view is well founded.
The politics of the "ruling party" are little importance to me, it is the fact that they are self serving, have little if any regard for the people who pay rent and rates, and most probably wouldn't be able to hold down a job of any substance in the private sector.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: stupid question, but does this score thing actually do anything at all[/p][/quote]It doesn't mean a thing really Dave, what tends to happen is somebody levels a criticism against COYC (the fact they are Labour is irrelevant), and they have a lickspittle that gets onto the system somehow and adjusts the scores to make it appear that nobody else agrees with your comment. The reality is that the minute posters see the huge swing protecting or favouring the Council it generally suggests the posters point of view is well founded. The politics of the "ruling party" are little importance to me, it is the fact that they are self serving, have little if any regard for the people who pay rent and rates, and most probably wouldn't be able to hold down a job of any substance in the private sector. nottoooldtocare
  • Score: 2

9:50pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Yorkshire base says...

Morrisson's in Acomb always floods when there is exceptionally heavy rain, and has done since it was Safeway. Due to poorly designed fire exit, positioned on Front Street, above shop floor level. The rain runs like a river down the hill from the roundabout, under the door, down the steps and onto the shop floor.
Morrisson's in Acomb always floods when there is exceptionally heavy rain, and has done since it was Safeway. Due to poorly designed fire exit, positioned on Front Street, above shop floor level. The rain runs like a river down the hill from the roundabout, under the door, down the steps and onto the shop floor. Yorkshire base
  • Score: 16

9:55pm Fri 8 Aug 14

anth!! says...

Fulford Flan Flinger wrote:
Crisis?? "Oooh we've got a bit of water in York" "oooh it rains in Britain and the drains get blocked" Please.
Gaza is a crisis! Ebola is a crisis. Not the bloody drains. Or, if you like, a bit closer to home is families not being able to feed their kids! Get real York
Bet you av a red nose & av big feet.
[quote][p][bold]Fulford Flan Flinger[/bold] wrote: Crisis?? "Oooh we've got a bit of water in York" "oooh it rains in Britain and the drains get blocked" Please. Gaza is a crisis! Ebola is a crisis. Not the bloody drains. Or, if you like, a bit closer to home is families not being able to feed their kids! Get real York[/p][/quote]Bet you av a red nose & av big feet. anth!!
  • Score: -7

9:59pm Fri 8 Aug 14

york central says...

nottoooldtocare wrote:
Zetkin wrote:
Dithenewbreed wrote:
Yet again the government and council fail communities! Cutting back on essentials, however billions are spent on legal aid to criminals, free meds, free accommodation, free bus passes to people who contribute nothing to society why are the wrong people supported?
Claptrap.

Essentials are certainly being cut back but certainly not to spend on Legal Aid which is being denied to the innocent as well as the guilty; and certainly not to spend on other benefits which used to be available to everyone on the basis of need, not whether ot not they fit your personal definition of "contribute".

The question isn't do we spend on welfare or the drains? it's why is this vicious government cutting anything and everything? And the answer to that is so that their super-rich pals can get even richer - people at the top of society who are rich beyond the dreams of avarice, whose only "contribution" is a few thousand quid to the Tory Party every now and then when they want to ensure a mention in the New Year's honours list.
I think you are clouding the issue here mixing central and local politics. Central government is one thing, and you can do what you want when the election comes, local spending is another. You could argue that the Tories look after their own, but then don't all parties?

If memory serves me well didn't Labour take over and inherit a pretty full bank account? What did they do with it all? Created hundreds of thousands of posts in the public sector, (all to pay for out of the private sector that you seem to loath so much), and what did they produce? Nowt!

You mention the likes of Branson and Ecclestone doing what they can to avoid paying any more tax than they need, why wouldn't they? I wonder what they think when they look at all the effort they have put in to get wealthy, the risks they have taken and the hard times that they will have endured before getting to where they are, when they look at what governments squander the taxes on. Look at York and the money that gets spent on non necessary projects (during a recession) rather than some of the essential services, and this by a Labour party (for the people or something like that is the slogan isn't it)?

Sadly you get oafs like Alexander, TSL, and Merritt that make a point of cutting back on essential services, purely to score points by blaming central government cuts. All towns and cities are feeling the pinch, and rightly so. Some however are choosing to invest what they do get in the best interests of the people they take rates and rent from.

I don't doubt I will now be labelled a right wing Tory etc. but the reality is I work for the government and see the money that gets wasted and the sycophantic management that has crept in. I also have little faith in any of the main parties as they are primarily all from pampered backgrounds and have been through cloning school (Oxford & Cambridge to the man on the street). and are too close to call. Sadly now, across most gov' departments, you have vain managers (who call themselves leaders) who are too concerned with who they meet, how they are seen and how they might progress rather than deliver the job they are paid to do. Until those around them "grow some" and tell the emperor that they look a tw*t without any clothes it will only get worse.
Tax avoidance is a crime
[quote][p][bold]nottoooldtocare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dithenewbreed[/bold] wrote: Yet again the government and council fail communities! Cutting back on essentials, however billions are spent on legal aid to criminals, free meds, free accommodation, free bus passes to people who contribute nothing to society why are the wrong people supported?[/p][/quote]Claptrap. Essentials are certainly being cut back but certainly not to spend on Legal Aid which is being denied to the innocent as well as the guilty; and certainly not to spend on other benefits which used to be available to everyone on the basis of need, not whether ot not they fit your personal definition of "contribute". The question isn't do we spend on welfare or the drains? it's why is this vicious government cutting anything and everything? And the answer to that is so that their super-rich pals can get even richer - people at the top of society who are rich beyond the dreams of avarice, whose only "contribution" is a few thousand quid to the Tory Party every now and then when they want to ensure a mention in the New Year's honours list.[/p][/quote]I think you are clouding the issue here mixing central and local politics. Central government is one thing, and you can do what you want when the election comes, local spending is another. You could argue that the Tories look after their own, but then don't all parties? If memory serves me well didn't Labour take over and inherit a pretty full bank account? What did they do with it all? Created hundreds of thousands of posts in the public sector, (all to pay for out of the private sector that you seem to loath so much), and what did they produce? Nowt! You mention the likes of Branson and Ecclestone doing what they can to avoid paying any more tax than they need, why wouldn't they? I wonder what they think when they look at all the effort they have put in to get wealthy, the risks they have taken and the hard times that they will have endured before getting to where they are, when they look at what governments squander the taxes on. Look at York and the money that gets spent on non necessary projects (during a recession) rather than some of the essential services, and this by a Labour party (for the people or something like that is the slogan isn't it)? Sadly you get oafs like Alexander, TSL, and Merritt that make a point of cutting back on essential services, purely to score points by blaming central government cuts. All towns and cities are feeling the pinch, and rightly so. Some however are choosing to invest what they do get in the best interests of the people they take rates and rent from. I don't doubt I will now be labelled a right wing Tory etc. but the reality is I work for the government and see the money that gets wasted and the sycophantic management that has crept in. I also have little faith in any of the main parties as they are primarily all from pampered backgrounds and have been through cloning school (Oxford & Cambridge to the man on the street). and are too close to call. Sadly now, across most gov' departments, you have vain managers (who call themselves leaders) who are too concerned with who they meet, how they are seen and how they might progress rather than deliver the job they are paid to do. Until those around them "grow some" and tell the emperor that they look a tw*t without any clothes it will only get worse.[/p][/quote]Tax avoidance is a crime york central
  • Score: 3

10:07pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Yorkshine1 says...

Has anyone mentioned Hitler yet? I've nearly got a full house in my Press comments bingo game.

Pretty wet outside huh?
Has anyone mentioned Hitler yet? I've nearly got a full house in my Press comments bingo game. Pretty wet outside huh? Yorkshine1
  • Score: 5

10:24pm Fri 8 Aug 14

piaggio1 says...

Look we do try to link everything in this city to tbe clowncil.......becou
se
Christ here we go...
They are corrupt
They are spineless
They lie
They give their so called mates !( nope aint going there)
None of em have had a real job.
They abuse their ..er position (england).. holiday.hotel ???? Ring any bells kirsten???
Look we do try to link everything in this city to tbe clowncil.......becou se Christ here we go... They are corrupt They are spineless They lie They give their so called mates !( nope aint going there) None of em have had a real job. They abuse their ..er position (england).. holiday.hotel ???? Ring any bells kirsten??? piaggio1
  • Score: -15

10:39pm Fri 8 Aug 14

eeoodares says...

york central wrote:
nottoooldtocare wrote:
Zetkin wrote:
Dithenewbreed wrote:
Yet again the government and council fail communities! Cutting back on essentials, however billions are spent on legal aid to criminals, free meds, free accommodation, free bus passes to people who contribute nothing to society why are the wrong people supported?
Claptrap.

Essentials are certainly being cut back but certainly not to spend on Legal Aid which is being denied to the innocent as well as the guilty; and certainly not to spend on other benefits which used to be available to everyone on the basis of need, not whether ot not they fit your personal definition of "contribute".

The question isn't do we spend on welfare or the drains? it's why is this vicious government cutting anything and everything? And the answer to that is so that their super-rich pals can get even richer - people at the top of society who are rich beyond the dreams of avarice, whose only "contribution" is a few thousand quid to the Tory Party every now and then when they want to ensure a mention in the New Year's honours list.
I think you are clouding the issue here mixing central and local politics. Central government is one thing, and you can do what you want when the election comes, local spending is another. You could argue that the Tories look after their own, but then don't all parties?

If memory serves me well didn't Labour take over and inherit a pretty full bank account? What did they do with it all? Created hundreds of thousands of posts in the public sector, (all to pay for out of the private sector that you seem to loath so much), and what did they produce? Nowt!

You mention the likes of Branson and Ecclestone doing what they can to avoid paying any more tax than they need, why wouldn't they? I wonder what they think when they look at all the effort they have put in to get wealthy, the risks they have taken and the hard times that they will have endured before getting to where they are, when they look at what governments squander the taxes on. Look at York and the money that gets spent on non necessary projects (during a recession) rather than some of the essential services, and this by a Labour party (for the people or something like that is the slogan isn't it)?

Sadly you get oafs like Alexander, TSL, and Merritt that make a point of cutting back on essential services, purely to score points by blaming central government cuts. All towns and cities are feeling the pinch, and rightly so. Some however are choosing to invest what they do get in the best interests of the people they take rates and rent from.

I don't doubt I will now be labelled a right wing Tory etc. but the reality is I work for the government and see the money that gets wasted and the sycophantic management that has crept in. I also have little faith in any of the main parties as they are primarily all from pampered backgrounds and have been through cloning school (Oxford & Cambridge to the man on the street). and are too close to call. Sadly now, across most gov' departments, you have vain managers (who call themselves leaders) who are too concerned with who they meet, how they are seen and how they might progress rather than deliver the job they are paid to do. Until those around them "grow some" and tell the emperor that they look a tw*t without any clothes it will only get worse.
Tax avoidance is a crime
Tax avoidance is not a crime, if it where then you and every other person in the UK is guilty.

Tax evasion IS a crime.
[quote][p][bold]york central[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nottoooldtocare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dithenewbreed[/bold] wrote: Yet again the government and council fail communities! Cutting back on essentials, however billions are spent on legal aid to criminals, free meds, free accommodation, free bus passes to people who contribute nothing to society why are the wrong people supported?[/p][/quote]Claptrap. Essentials are certainly being cut back but certainly not to spend on Legal Aid which is being denied to the innocent as well as the guilty; and certainly not to spend on other benefits which used to be available to everyone on the basis of need, not whether ot not they fit your personal definition of "contribute". The question isn't do we spend on welfare or the drains? it's why is this vicious government cutting anything and everything? And the answer to that is so that their super-rich pals can get even richer - people at the top of society who are rich beyond the dreams of avarice, whose only "contribution" is a few thousand quid to the Tory Party every now and then when they want to ensure a mention in the New Year's honours list.[/p][/quote]I think you are clouding the issue here mixing central and local politics. Central government is one thing, and you can do what you want when the election comes, local spending is another. You could argue that the Tories look after their own, but then don't all parties? If memory serves me well didn't Labour take over and inherit a pretty full bank account? What did they do with it all? Created hundreds of thousands of posts in the public sector, (all to pay for out of the private sector that you seem to loath so much), and what did they produce? Nowt! You mention the likes of Branson and Ecclestone doing what they can to avoid paying any more tax than they need, why wouldn't they? I wonder what they think when they look at all the effort they have put in to get wealthy, the risks they have taken and the hard times that they will have endured before getting to where they are, when they look at what governments squander the taxes on. Look at York and the money that gets spent on non necessary projects (during a recession) rather than some of the essential services, and this by a Labour party (for the people or something like that is the slogan isn't it)? Sadly you get oafs like Alexander, TSL, and Merritt that make a point of cutting back on essential services, purely to score points by blaming central government cuts. All towns and cities are feeling the pinch, and rightly so. Some however are choosing to invest what they do get in the best interests of the people they take rates and rent from. I don't doubt I will now be labelled a right wing Tory etc. but the reality is I work for the government and see the money that gets wasted and the sycophantic management that has crept in. I also have little faith in any of the main parties as they are primarily all from pampered backgrounds and have been through cloning school (Oxford & Cambridge to the man on the street). and are too close to call. Sadly now, across most gov' departments, you have vain managers (who call themselves leaders) who are too concerned with who they meet, how they are seen and how they might progress rather than deliver the job they are paid to do. Until those around them "grow some" and tell the emperor that they look a tw*t without any clothes it will only get worse.[/p][/quote]Tax avoidance is a crime[/p][/quote]Tax avoidance is not a crime, if it where then you and every other person in the UK is guilty. Tax evasion IS a crime. eeoodares
  • Score: 18

10:43pm Fri 8 Aug 14

snickelwaysofyork says...

Dithenewbreed wrote:
Yet again the government and council fail communities! Cutting back on essentials, however billions are spent on legal aid to criminals, free meds, free accommodation, free bus passes to people who contribute nothing to society why are the wrong people supported?
Could you please clarify just who it is you're referring to when you mention 'free bus passes'? Are you referring to senior citizens, the vast majority of whom have paid into the system all their working lives and who have often chosen to take little out as a matter of pride and principle, content to be givers rather than takers...? Similarly with your mention of 'free meds' - do you not think that the elderly and vulnerable should be looked after in our society, when they need it?
[quote][p][bold]Dithenewbreed[/bold] wrote: Yet again the government and council fail communities! Cutting back on essentials, however billions are spent on legal aid to criminals, free meds, free accommodation, free bus passes to people who contribute nothing to society why are the wrong people supported?[/p][/quote]Could you please clarify just who it is you're referring to when you mention 'free bus passes'? Are you referring to senior citizens, the vast majority of whom have paid into the system all their working lives and who have often chosen to take little out as a matter of pride and principle, content to be givers rather than takers...? Similarly with your mention of 'free meds' - do you not think that the elderly and vulnerable should be looked after in our society, when they need it? snickelwaysofyork
  • Score: 14

11:10pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Dave Ruddock says...

nottoooldtocare
sound about right, think a few erm people in places are on here
nottoooldtocare sound about right, think a few erm people in places are on here Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 0

11:10pm Fri 8 Aug 14

theexile says...

Good god...I thought CYC were just responsible for York...seems there power extends much wider!
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-bed
s-bucks-herts-287136
77
Good god...I thought CYC were just responsible for York...seems there power extends much wider! http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-bed s-bucks-herts-287136 77 theexile
  • Score: 9

7:13am Sat 9 Aug 14

maybejustmaybe says...

Wow! Minus 25 because of a hard cold (and rather wet) fact.
Wow! Minus 25 because of a hard cold (and rather wet) fact. maybejustmaybe
  • Score: -2

7:27am Sat 9 Aug 14

pedalling paul says...

So if water fails to enter a gulley, some contributors assume that the gulley is blocked. But it could just as easily be something else downstream eg a Yorkshire Water drain or Environment Agency watercourse. Unless you can stick you head down the hole and confirm it to a CoYC liability, best to keep yer powder dry.
So if water fails to enter a gulley, some contributors assume that the gulley is blocked. But it could just as easily be something else downstream eg a Yorkshire Water drain or Environment Agency watercourse. Unless you can stick you head down the hole and confirm it to a CoYC liability, best to keep yer powder dry. pedalling paul
  • Score: -3

8:41am Sat 9 Aug 14

bolero says...

Paul I think you need your gulley cleaned.
Paul I think you need your gulley cleaned. bolero
  • Score: 11

8:45am Sat 9 Aug 14

Caecilius says...

Yorkshine1 wrote:
Has anyone mentioned Hitler yet? I've nearly got a full house in my Press comments bingo game.

Pretty wet outside huh?
Would Mussolini do? He'ld have made the drains run on time........
[quote][p][bold]Yorkshine1[/bold] wrote: Has anyone mentioned Hitler yet? I've nearly got a full house in my Press comments bingo game. Pretty wet outside huh?[/p][/quote]Would Mussolini do? He'ld have made the drains run on time........ Caecilius
  • Score: 0

9:38am Sat 9 Aug 14

maybejustmaybe says...

pedalling paul wrote:
So if water fails to enter a gulley, some contributors assume that the gulley is blocked. But it could just as easily be something else downstream eg a Yorkshire Water drain or Environment Agency watercourse. Unless you can stick you head down the hole and confirm it to a CoYC liability, best to keep yer powder dry.
Never happened before the biannual gulley cleaning was culled, the one I specifically pointed out to the council ran free and empty. Coped well with the surplus from the ones either side as well. Now tell me it's a drain problem.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: So if water fails to enter a gulley, some contributors assume that the gulley is blocked. But it could just as easily be something else downstream eg a Yorkshire Water drain or Environment Agency watercourse. Unless you can stick you head down the hole and confirm it to a CoYC liability, best to keep yer powder dry.[/p][/quote]Never happened before the biannual gulley cleaning was culled, the one I specifically pointed out to the council ran free and empty. Coped well with the surplus from the ones either side as well. Now tell me it's a drain problem. maybejustmaybe
  • Score: 4

11:15am Sat 9 Aug 14

CHISSY1 says...

We had monsoon like weather for one day,very unusual.So what happens the majority of posts are by people who have been brainwashed by MPs they are incapable of saying anything without banging on about governments,councils and who can we blame.Some of the posts have nothing to do with the weather.It poured down yesterday,i happens get over it.
We had monsoon like weather for one day,very unusual.So what happens the majority of posts are by people who have been brainwashed by MPs they are incapable of saying anything without banging on about governments,councils and who can we blame.Some of the posts have nothing to do with the weather.It poured down yesterday,i happens get over it. CHISSY1
  • Score: -4

11:58am Sat 9 Aug 14

Jack Ham says...

maybejustmaybe wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
So if water fails to enter a gulley, some contributors assume that the gulley is blocked. But it could just as easily be something else downstream eg a Yorkshire Water drain or Environment Agency watercourse. Unless you can stick you head down the hole and confirm it to a CoYC liability, best to keep yer powder dry.
Never happened before the biannual gulley cleaning was culled, the one I specifically pointed out to the council ran free and empty. Coped well with the surplus from the ones either side as well. Now tell me it's a drain problem.
It's clear from the pattern of flooding that it is exacerbated by jack of regular maintenance.

When flooding occurs and the failure to maintain is City of York a Councils it's entirely appropriate to criticise and challenge them.

When the response is that they cannot do basic maintenance due to 'cuts' it's entirely appropriate to question their spending choices.

Vanity projects : Arts Barge, International travel, 'Fairness' Conferences, £500000 paving slabs and a £1000000+ cycle path nobody wants or uses doesn't imply tight finances to me.

It's poor choices by incompetent people.
[quote][p][bold]maybejustmaybe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: So if water fails to enter a gulley, some contributors assume that the gulley is blocked. But it could just as easily be something else downstream eg a Yorkshire Water drain or Environment Agency watercourse. Unless you can stick you head down the hole and confirm it to a CoYC liability, best to keep yer powder dry.[/p][/quote]Never happened before the biannual gulley cleaning was culled, the one I specifically pointed out to the council ran free and empty. Coped well with the surplus from the ones either side as well. Now tell me it's a drain problem.[/p][/quote]It's clear from the pattern of flooding that it is exacerbated by jack of regular maintenance. When flooding occurs and the failure to maintain is City of York a Councils it's entirely appropriate to criticise and challenge them. When the response is that they cannot do basic maintenance due to 'cuts' it's entirely appropriate to question their spending choices. Vanity projects : Arts Barge, International travel, 'Fairness' Conferences, £500000 paving slabs and a £1000000+ cycle path nobody wants or uses doesn't imply tight finances to me. It's poor choices by incompetent people. Jack Ham
  • Score: 11

1:27pm Sat 9 Aug 14

bolero says...

BethFoxhunter96 wrote:
I am finding it very difficult to make sense of the comments above. How on earth can drainage be turned into a political issue?

I got very wet today out in Holgate. The rain was exceptional - I've never seen anything like it. I thought the water drained away very quickly. We don't have storm sewers like the USA does because we only get that sort of rain very rarely and not for very long. The drains seemed to fair a lot better than my umbrella. My attempts to hide under a tree equally failed.
Who's this? Mrs Pedalling Paul or perhaps Pedalling Pauline? Heaven forbid, one's enough.
[quote][p][bold]BethFoxhunter96[/bold] wrote: I am finding it very difficult to make sense of the comments above. How on earth can drainage be turned into a political issue? I got very wet today out in Holgate. The rain was exceptional - I've never seen anything like it. I thought the water drained away very quickly. We don't have storm sewers like the USA does because we only get that sort of rain very rarely and not for very long. The drains seemed to fair a lot better than my umbrella. My attempts to hide under a tree equally failed.[/p][/quote]Who's this? Mrs Pedalling Paul or perhaps Pedalling Pauline? Heaven forbid, one's enough. bolero
  • Score: -1

6:25pm Sat 9 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Madasanibbotson wrote:
It isn't just "generations of neglect", grass growing around drains is easy and cheap to remove. But this loonie Labour run council would rather spend the money on vanity projects and nonsense.
About time they realised it's our money they are wasting not their own.
Roll on May when they can be removed.
There is grass and weeds growing in the gutters in our street, never have I seen it as bad as this, on the opposite side there is a blocked road gull and a huge puddle forms in the gutter because it can't get away, and yes it's been reported as have the grass and weeds, you would think the priority of a council would be to ensure streets were cleaned and gullies cleared, but this is CoYC a lame excuse if ever there was one.
[quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: It isn't just "generations of neglect", grass growing around drains is easy and cheap to remove. But this loonie Labour run council would rather spend the money on vanity projects and nonsense. About time they realised it's our money they are wasting not their own. Roll on May when they can be removed.[/p][/quote]There is grass and weeds growing in the gutters in our street, never have I seen it as bad as this, on the opposite side there is a blocked road gull and a huge puddle forms in the gutter because it can't get away, and yes it's been reported as have the grass and weeds, you would think the priority of a council would be to ensure streets were cleaned and gullies cleared, but this is CoYC a lame excuse if ever there was one. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 3

6:28pm Sat 9 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Zetkin wrote:
steveb1607 wrote:
Typical, basics like drainage maintenance are not done due to cuts. Yet we spend billions on every Tom, Jertzy and Olga coming into this country for a free ride. Its about time this government got its priorities sorted and looked after its own.
It does look after its own.

Richard Branson gets richer by the minute, the royals bask in luxury at our expense, the arms dealers grow fat on the slaughter in the middle east, and profits rise while wages fall.
Not a happy bunny then?
[quote][p][bold]Zetkin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]steveb1607[/bold] wrote: Typical, basics like drainage maintenance are not done due to cuts. Yet we spend billions on every Tom, Jertzy and Olga coming into this country for a free ride. Its about time this government got its priorities sorted and looked after its own.[/p][/quote]It does look after its own. Richard Branson gets richer by the minute, the royals bask in luxury at our expense, the arms dealers grow fat on the slaughter in the middle east, and profits rise while wages fall.[/p][/quote]Not a happy bunny then? notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 1

6:40pm Sat 9 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Jack Ham wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how the loony left can blame capitalism for things like this.

The plain facts are that our Labour Council, with poor guidance from a group of low grade senior officers, have chosen to spend OUR money on THEIR pet projects.

Why worry about roads, buses, street lights and litter bins when you've got your paws on the cheque book and can travel the world, have 'fairness' commissions, nice new offices and your own arts barge?

Why worry about flooding when you can spend half a million quid repaving a town square or over a million on a cycle path nobody uses.

No doubt they'll blame 'cuts'. No doubt they'll blame 'tory's' but the game is up.

We know whose fault it is. York Labour. And we know who you are.

Alexander, Simpson Laing, England, Merrett, Levene et al.

Shameful.
Yes quite agree, what's the overriding theme from the loony lefties, let's tax the rich for getting rich, my god what a shower of effluent they are, see sense you bigoted lot, it's not how much money Richard Branson is earning or what he is worth that's the issue, it's this sham of a council that's causing this city problems for not having a regular maintenance regime in place, let's get the gullies cleared that's the issue here.
[quote][p][bold]Jack Ham[/bold] wrote: It never ceases to amaze me how the loony left can blame capitalism for things like this. The plain facts are that our Labour Council, with poor guidance from a group of low grade senior officers, have chosen to spend OUR money on THEIR pet projects. Why worry about roads, buses, street lights and litter bins when you've got your paws on the cheque book and can travel the world, have 'fairness' commissions, nice new offices and your own arts barge? Why worry about flooding when you can spend half a million quid repaving a town square or over a million on a cycle path nobody uses. No doubt they'll blame 'cuts'. No doubt they'll blame 'tory's' but the game is up. We know whose fault it is. York Labour. And we know who you are. Alexander, Simpson Laing, England, Merrett, Levene et al. Shameful.[/p][/quote]Yes quite agree, what's the overriding theme from the loony lefties, let's tax the rich for getting rich, my god what a shower of effluent they are, see sense you bigoted lot, it's not how much money Richard Branson is earning or what he is worth that's the issue, it's this sham of a council that's causing this city problems for not having a regular maintenance regime in place, let's get the gullies cleared that's the issue here. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 3

6:44pm Sat 9 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul wrote:
So if water fails to enter a gulley, some contributors assume that the gulley is blocked. But it could just as easily be something else downstream eg a Yorkshire Water drain or Environment Agency watercourse. Unless you can stick you head down the hole and confirm it to a CoYC liability, best to keep yer powder dry.
You could always stick your head down the drain Mr Hepworth, I'm sure someone as articulate as you would probably be able to tell us mere mortals what is wrong with the drainage systems in the city.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: So if water fails to enter a gulley, some contributors assume that the gulley is blocked. But it could just as easily be something else downstream eg a Yorkshire Water drain or Environment Agency watercourse. Unless you can stick you head down the hole and confirm it to a CoYC liability, best to keep yer powder dry.[/p][/quote]You could always stick your head down the drain Mr Hepworth, I'm sure someone as articulate as you would probably be able to tell us mere mortals what is wrong with the drainage systems in the city. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 2

6:50pm Sat 9 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Caecilius wrote:
Yorkshine1 wrote:
Has anyone mentioned Hitler yet? I've nearly got a full house in my Press comments bingo game.

Pretty wet outside huh?
Would Mussolini do? He'ld have made the drains run on time........
Did Genghis khan have any problems with drains?
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkshine1[/bold] wrote: Has anyone mentioned Hitler yet? I've nearly got a full house in my Press comments bingo game. Pretty wet outside huh?[/p][/quote]Would Mussolini do? He'ld have made the drains run on time........[/p][/quote]Did Genghis khan have any problems with drains? notpedallingpaul
  • Score: 1

12:39pm Sun 10 Aug 14

DeeJaiEss says...

My walk to work, which is from Heworth to Walmgate, showed that 76% of all the drains were blocked.

They were either silted up or 'superficially blocked' - the grid was covered but after a prod with a brolly, showed that it was allowing water in.

There is a lack of ability to report stuff like this to the council - they have an arrangement regarding street lighting but I have reported faults before and I know that 6 months later, they still don't work.

There is also something else needed - it is when it is raining that any inspection should take place, not when it hasn't rained for a week - what is the point??

I would say that only in a minority of cases, obstructions like roots, movement of earth or some non-visible blockage is to blame - I know of at least two instances where drains have 'disappeared' because the road has been resurfaced and they have been covered in tarmac - there is one making a reappearance on Heworth Green by the flats on Eboracum Way (on the right heading out of York just after the bridge over the Foss) and another outside St Cuthberts on Peasholme Green - this has not 'reappeared' as yet. I also dealt with instances where I have tried to stop rain from ingressing into someone's house and all it needed was a garden rake - dragging all the leaves, twigs etc. off the drain grid meant that an elderly couple could get to their house.

The argument regarding economics are flawed. If CoYC are saying that the regular cleaning of drains has been stopped because of the "cuts", then at what cost if it to CoYC to compensate victims of flooding because they haven't cleaned the drains? the damage to the roads as the water has got in between cracks and beside manhole covers, just for the first hard frosts to expand these cracks and create potholes? The fact that as a result of rainwater not going down the main rainwater system, the water ends up in the sewage system, overloading that and allowing raw sewage to push its way out of manhole covers and onto the streets - have you ever tried to travel down Tang Hall Lane where it dips for Tang Hall Beck when it's rained. An let me tell you, it doesn't need an 'exceptional rain event' for it to happen either! The net effect from all of this is that the final cost is much more than the saving made. Anyone heard that 'prevention is better than cure?'

I know Friday's rain was exceptional - over 50mm rain fell but by the looks of it, we are expecting more of these events as the atmosphere warms up thus can hold more water.

Can CoYC start applying something that seems to be rare these days - COMMON SENSE???

You never know, the application of a bit of gumption might save money!
My walk to work, which is from Heworth to Walmgate, showed that 76% of all the drains were blocked. They were either silted up or 'superficially blocked' - the grid was covered but after a prod with a brolly, showed that it was allowing water in. There is a lack of ability to report stuff like this to the council - they have an arrangement regarding street lighting but I have reported faults before and I know that 6 months later, they still don't work. There is also something else needed - it is when it is raining that any inspection should take place, not when it hasn't rained for a week - what is the point?? I would say that only in a minority of cases, obstructions like roots, movement of earth or some non-visible blockage is to blame - I know of at least two instances where drains have 'disappeared' because the road has been resurfaced and they have been covered in tarmac - there is one making a reappearance on Heworth Green by the flats on Eboracum Way (on the right heading out of York just after the bridge over the Foss) and another outside St Cuthberts on Peasholme Green - this has not 'reappeared' as yet. I also dealt with instances where I have tried to stop rain from ingressing into someone's house and all it needed was a garden rake - dragging all the leaves, twigs etc. off the drain grid meant that an elderly couple could get to their house. The argument regarding economics are flawed. If CoYC are saying that the regular cleaning of drains has been stopped because of the "cuts", then at what cost if it to CoYC to compensate victims of flooding because they haven't cleaned the drains? the damage to the roads as the water has got in between cracks and beside manhole covers, just for the first hard frosts to expand these cracks and create potholes? The fact that as a result of rainwater not going down the main rainwater system, the water ends up in the sewage system, overloading that and allowing raw sewage to push its way out of manhole covers and onto the streets - have you ever tried to travel down Tang Hall Lane where it dips for Tang Hall Beck when it's rained. An let me tell you, it doesn't need an 'exceptional rain event' for it to happen either! The net effect from all of this is that the final cost is much more than the saving made. Anyone heard that 'prevention is better than cure?' I know Friday's rain was exceptional - over 50mm rain fell but by the looks of it, we are expecting more of these events as the atmosphere warms up thus can hold more water. Can CoYC start applying something that seems to be rare these days - COMMON SENSE??? You never know, the application of a bit of gumption might save money! DeeJaiEss
  • Score: 1

12:57pm Sun 10 Aug 14

bolero says...

At last some true facts.
At last some true facts. bolero
  • Score: 2

1:00pm Sun 10 Aug 14

bolero says...

This beats all the sycophantic claptrap from some who think they know but in reality know next to nowt except how to pedal a bike.
This beats all the sycophantic claptrap from some who think they know but in reality know next to nowt except how to pedal a bike. bolero
  • Score: 3

2:29pm Sun 10 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

DeeJaiEss wrote:
My walk to work, which is from Heworth to Walmgate, showed that 76% of all the drains were blocked.

They were either silted up or 'superficially blocked' - the grid was covered but after a prod with a brolly, showed that it was allowing water in.

There is a lack of ability to report stuff like this to the council - they have an arrangement regarding street lighting but I have reported faults before and I know that 6 months later, they still don't work.

There is also something else needed - it is when it is raining that any inspection should take place, not when it hasn't rained for a week - what is the point??

I would say that only in a minority of cases, obstructions like roots, movement of earth or some non-visible blockage is to blame - I know of at least two instances where drains have 'disappeared' because the road has been resurfaced and they have been covered in tarmac - there is one making a reappearance on Heworth Green by the flats on Eboracum Way (on the right heading out of York just after the bridge over the Foss) and another outside St Cuthberts on Peasholme Green - this has not 'reappeared' as yet. I also dealt with instances where I have tried to stop rain from ingressing into someone's house and all it needed was a garden rake - dragging all the leaves, twigs etc. off the drain grid meant that an elderly couple could get to their house.

The argument regarding economics are flawed. If CoYC are saying that the regular cleaning of drains has been stopped because of the "cuts", then at what cost if it to CoYC to compensate victims of flooding because they haven't cleaned the drains? the damage to the roads as the water has got in between cracks and beside manhole covers, just for the first hard frosts to expand these cracks and create potholes? The fact that as a result of rainwater not going down the main rainwater system, the water ends up in the sewage system, overloading that and allowing raw sewage to push its way out of manhole covers and onto the streets - have you ever tried to travel down Tang Hall Lane where it dips for Tang Hall Beck when it's rained. An let me tell you, it doesn't need an 'exceptional rain event' for it to happen either! The net effect from all of this is that the final cost is much more than the saving made. Anyone heard that 'prevention is better than cure?'

I know Friday's rain was exceptional - over 50mm rain fell but by the looks of it, we are expecting more of these events as the atmosphere warms up thus can hold more water.

Can CoYC start applying something that seems to be rare these days - COMMON SENSE???

You never know, the application of a bit of gumption might save money!
Ah but you see the comments from the likes of ... I won't mention names ... But then again I will ... Mr Paul Hepworth or pedallingpaul as he is known on the stage, disputes the argument that it's the councils fault, and maintains - which is more than this council does - that it could be a third parties fault such as Yorkshire Water, I think from the last comment he made that he's going to stick his head down a drain and report back on the subject!
[quote][p][bold]DeeJaiEss[/bold] wrote: My walk to work, which is from Heworth to Walmgate, showed that 76% of all the drains were blocked. They were either silted up or 'superficially blocked' - the grid was covered but after a prod with a brolly, showed that it was allowing water in. There is a lack of ability to report stuff like this to the council - they have an arrangement regarding street lighting but I have reported faults before and I know that 6 months later, they still don't work. There is also something else needed - it is when it is raining that any inspection should take place, not when it hasn't rained for a week - what is the point?? I would say that only in a minority of cases, obstructions like roots, movement of earth or some non-visible blockage is to blame - I know of at least two instances where drains have 'disappeared' because the road has been resurfaced and they have been covered in tarmac - there is one making a reappearance on Heworth Green by the flats on Eboracum Way (on the right heading out of York just after the bridge over the Foss) and another outside St Cuthberts on Peasholme Green - this has not 'reappeared' as yet. I also dealt with instances where I have tried to stop rain from ingressing into someone's house and all it needed was a garden rake - dragging all the leaves, twigs etc. off the drain grid meant that an elderly couple could get to their house. The argument regarding economics are flawed. If CoYC are saying that the regular cleaning of drains has been stopped because of the "cuts", then at what cost if it to CoYC to compensate victims of flooding because they haven't cleaned the drains? the damage to the roads as the water has got in between cracks and beside manhole covers, just for the first hard frosts to expand these cracks and create potholes? The fact that as a result of rainwater not going down the main rainwater system, the water ends up in the sewage system, overloading that and allowing raw sewage to push its way out of manhole covers and onto the streets - have you ever tried to travel down Tang Hall Lane where it dips for Tang Hall Beck when it's rained. An let me tell you, it doesn't need an 'exceptional rain event' for it to happen either! The net effect from all of this is that the final cost is much more than the saving made. Anyone heard that 'prevention is better than cure?' I know Friday's rain was exceptional - over 50mm rain fell but by the looks of it, we are expecting more of these events as the atmosphere warms up thus can hold more water. Can CoYC start applying something that seems to be rare these days - COMMON SENSE??? You never know, the application of a bit of gumption might save money![/p][/quote]Ah but you see the comments from the likes of ... I won't mention names ... But then again I will ... Mr Paul Hepworth or pedallingpaul as he is known on the stage, disputes the argument that it's the councils fault, and maintains - which is more than this council does - that it could be a third parties fault such as Yorkshire Water, I think from the last comment he made that he's going to stick his head down a drain and report back on the subject! notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -7

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