More trains to run from York to Leeds and Manchester

York Press: More trains to run from York to Leeds and Manchester More trains to run from York to Leeds and Manchester

FOUR trains an hour will run fromYork to Leeds and Manchester - instead of the current three - under a new First TransPennine Express timetable launched tomorrow.

The company says York passengers will also benefit from two trains an hour to Liverpool instead of one, and more capacity on journeys to and from Leeds in the morning and evening peaks.

A spokesman said it had invested £60 million in a fleet of 10 new electric trains operating between Manchester and Scotland, which would allow for the current diesel fleet to be re-deployed from there to across the rest of the network, meaning an extra 90,000 seats a week.

Managing director Nick Donovan said tomorrow marked the culmination of a two- year programme of new trains development that would improve passenger capacity and the customer experience.

“The biggest piece of feedback we receive from customers is the need to improve capacity and I am delighted that the new timetable will mean we will be able to offer an additional 90,000 seats a week across our network," he said.

“It is great news for York with more capacity, improved service frequency and additional journey options to Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool."

A spokesman said the timetable change would deliver 50 per cent of the Government’s capacity specification for the north of England and signalled the start of delivery of a number of huge investment projects, with over a billion pounds being injected into the railway in the north.

"This investment includes the electrification of much of the railway, the upgrading of infrastructure and major station development."

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11:25am Sat 17 May 14

yorkshirelad says...

Aren't the platforms used long enough to simply make the trains longer by leasing more carriages? That would help capacity as well as new timetable slots.

Prob no easy solution too, but the journey over the Pennines is terribly slow...with the train crawling and stopping too much. I wonder if this is the old trick of making the timetable so lax that the trains are not late, but then they have to slow right down not be early. Needs a massive line upgrade.
Aren't the platforms used long enough to simply make the trains longer by leasing more carriages? That would help capacity as well as new timetable slots. Prob no easy solution too, but the journey over the Pennines is terribly slow...with the train crawling and stopping too much. I wonder if this is the old trick of making the timetable so lax that the trains are not late, but then they have to slow right down not be early. Needs a massive line upgrade. yorkshirelad
  • Score: 8

12:13pm Sat 17 May 14

Diogenes2 says...

Will the train fares increase too?
Will the train fares increase too? Diogenes2
  • Score: 1

2:23am Sun 18 May 14

Magicman! says...

I've been writing in these comments for well over a year about these new services which are due to start. Odd how the Press wait until the day before to say anything.
I've been writing in these comments for well over a year about these new services which are due to start. Odd how the Press wait until the day before to say anything. Magicman!
  • Score: -1

2:33am Sun 18 May 14

Magicman! says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
Aren't the platforms used long enough to simply make the trains longer by leasing more carriages? That would help capacity as well as new timetable slots.

Prob no easy solution too, but the journey over the Pennines is terribly slow...with the train crawling and stopping too much. I wonder if this is the old trick of making the timetable so lax that the trains are not late, but then they have to slow right down not be early. Needs a massive line upgrade.
Indeed... well the original plans for HS2 were to be a 'high speed triangle' in the north, with arms connecting Leeds, Manchester and Birmingham, and each arm would take 30 minutes end to end.
Then the Tories came to power... and the leeds-manchester arm was chopped off.

Also worth noting that when Firstgroup got the Transpennine Express franchise, they put in a request for 4-carriage trains... but the Department for Transport wouldn't allow it, and only let them have 3 carriage trains instead; then in about 2010 the same DfT thought it would be a great idea for the TP fleet to be spread out even further by giving them the franchise for manchester-scotland services - meaning trains which had run as 6 carriage from York to manchester went down to 3 carriage. This new timetable is simply the result of those trains "coming back home", as the Scotland services are now served by brand new electric trains.

As for leasing more carriages now, there is no hope of that. Next may, 10 of Transpennine's class 150's will be going south to Chiltern Railways to operate in the Home Counties. To put that in perspective, this new timetable change is because of 12 trains coming back to the right side of the pennines, then next year we lose 10 trains. And every company that operates high quality 3rd generation diesel multiple trains has them locked up in franchise contracts and are trying to get more trains due to high demand; and whilst there are one or two routes being electrified within this next year which will be activated, they will not release the right type of train suitable for Transpennine work (think more of the stuff that Northern operates). The only solution I can see is that for the Newcastle to Liverpool service, Transpennine Express will have to hire in carriages hauled by a locomotive from Direct Rail Services.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: Aren't the platforms used long enough to simply make the trains longer by leasing more carriages? That would help capacity as well as new timetable slots. Prob no easy solution too, but the journey over the Pennines is terribly slow...with the train crawling and stopping too much. I wonder if this is the old trick of making the timetable so lax that the trains are not late, but then they have to slow right down not be early. Needs a massive line upgrade.[/p][/quote]Indeed... well the original plans for HS2 were to be a 'high speed triangle' in the north, with arms connecting Leeds, Manchester and Birmingham, and each arm would take 30 minutes end to end. Then the Tories came to power... and the leeds-manchester arm was chopped off. Also worth noting that when Firstgroup got the Transpennine Express franchise, they put in a request for 4-carriage trains... but the Department for Transport wouldn't allow it, and only let them have 3 carriage trains instead; then in about 2010 the same DfT thought it would be a great idea for the TP fleet to be spread out even further by giving them the franchise for manchester-scotland services - meaning trains which had run as 6 carriage from York to manchester went down to 3 carriage. This new timetable is simply the result of those trains "coming back home", as the Scotland services are now served by brand new electric trains. As for leasing more carriages now, there is no hope of that. Next may, 10 of Transpennine's class 150's will be going south to Chiltern Railways to operate in the Home Counties. To put that in perspective, this new timetable change is because of 12 trains coming back to the right side of the pennines, then next year we lose 10 trains. And every company that operates high quality 3rd generation diesel multiple trains has them locked up in franchise contracts and are trying to get more trains due to high demand; and whilst there are one or two routes being electrified within this next year which will be activated, they will not release the right type of train suitable for Transpennine work (think more of the stuff that Northern operates). The only solution I can see is that for the Newcastle to Liverpool service, Transpennine Express will have to hire in carriages hauled by a locomotive from Direct Rail Services. Magicman!
  • Score: 0

2:34am Sun 18 May 14

Magicman! says...

oops... *class 170's* not 150's. those are what are going next year.
oops... *class 170's* not 150's. those are what are going next year. Magicman!
  • Score: 2

9:04am Sun 18 May 14

piemagico says...

Magicman! wrote:
oops... *class 170's* not 150's. those are what are going next year.
Have to admit Magicman that error got past me!
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: oops... *class 170's* not 150's. those are what are going next year.[/p][/quote]Have to admit Magicman that error got past me! piemagico
  • Score: 1

6:05pm Sun 18 May 14

press reader says...

These changes are all very well for those commuting from a city to a city, but they shaft everyone else. I used to commute by train from Malton for work. These changes mean it's now unusuable - it's been reduced to an HOURLY service at commuter time in late afternoons. I sent my car park permit back for a refund and am now driving. When these changes were announced, many of us on the train were complaining and saying we can't continue to use the service. Shame, it will now mean yet more cars on the A64...
These changes are all very well for those commuting from a city to a city, but they shaft everyone else. I used to commute by train from Malton for work. These changes mean it's now unusuable - it's been reduced to an HOURLY service at commuter time in late afternoons. I sent my car park permit back for a refund and am now driving. When these changes were announced, many of us on the train were complaining and saying we can't continue to use the service. Shame, it will now mean yet more cars on the A64... press reader
  • Score: 5

10:41am Mon 19 May 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

With little chance of electrification from York to Scarborough, this route will eventually become the withered arm of the Transpennine franchise. They won't want to run diesels under the wires from Liverpool to York just to provide a through service to Scarborough. Surely it'd be better to give this branch to Northern now, build extra stations at Haxby and Strensall and let it reinstate its Blackpool North - Scarborough service - with the 185 diesels that Transpennine will no longer need.
With little chance of electrification from York to Scarborough, this route will eventually become the withered arm of the Transpennine franchise. They won't want to run diesels under the wires from Liverpool to York just to provide a through service to Scarborough. Surely it'd be better to give this branch to Northern now, build extra stations at Haxby and Strensall and let it reinstate its Blackpool North - Scarborough service - with the 185 diesels that Transpennine will no longer need. Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: 2

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