Business owners’ fury over CCTV ‘spy van’ that fines their customers

Businessman Trevor Linfoot calls the van scheme “a mockery”

Businessman Trevor Linfoot calls the van scheme “a mockery”

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FRESH anger is brewing over City of York Council's use of a CCTV spy van to fine unsuspecting drivers on York's roads who have sometimes only parked for a few minutes.

As The Press reported, a CCTV van introduced to stop dangerous parking around schools has been used to crack down on motorists elsewhere in the city.

Traders on Murton Lane have complained about the van targeting customers and deliveries to their premises, and now more complaints have emerged from drivers angry at what they call the cynical targeting of easy sources of revenue for the council.

Michael Amesbury, from York, received two fines exactly 24 hours apart. Mr Amesbury, who is disabled, and his wife had pulled up on a side street off Stonebow in the afternoon to wait as one of them went to the bank nearby.

They have been doing this for almost a year, so were shocked when they received two fine notices, dated April 14 and 15, both at 4.04pm.

"If we had seen the camera van we would have had some advance warning, but we didn't, and there are no signs around telling you cameras are in use."

Mr Amesbury believes the fines could put people off visiting the city centre.

"To know you have caught someone, and then to go back the next day to catch them again really is a bit greedy. If the council continues actions like this, people will just stop going out," he said.

Customers and drivers at nearby Calvert's Carpets have also been affected - sometimes when the vehicle has pulled over for as briefly as a minute.

Owner and MD Trevor Linfoot is so concerned about the damage the fines could do to the business that he has written to the council.

He said: "It's bad enough trying to run a business in the city centre, this is just a mockery. It's really going to dent our business."

Council opposition leader Cllr Chris Steward said the drivers' response was a worrying sign the council had lost the confidence of York residents.

He said: "The camera car was brought in to rightly improve safety around schools and it is vital that remains its job; for the majority of motorists who behave perfectly sensibly it is crucial they cannot question the council’s motives and the fact many now believe the camera car is for revenue rather than safety is extremely concerning. This is the latest in a long line of instances where the Labour council seems to have lost people’s trust and this must be addressed."

But the council has defended its use of the van, saying it would be inefficient to leave the equipment inactive outside the two hours of school drop-off and pick-up times. The car was introduced after calls from headteachers concerned about dangerous parking around their schools, and has the support of police.

A council spokesman said: "The camera car is not used to discourage driving or to drive away customers from businesses in the targeted areas, but to enforce legal and safe parking. If drivers adhere to these restrictions they will not risk being fined."

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10:06am Tue 6 May 14

andy fowler says...

Alexander gets ever nearer to his totalitarian city. He must be stopped and impeached!!!
Alexander gets ever nearer to his totalitarian city. He must be stopped and impeached!!! andy fowler
  • Score: -39

10:23am Tue 6 May 14

X5019c says...

They really have lost sight of what their purpose is; the Council and it's employees are there to make our lives in the City easier and more enjoyable not to spy on us and force us to look over our shoulders in case they slap us with a fine for pulling over for a couple of minutes. I am not just talking about the spy van's but about how intrusive in our daily lives the Council have become; they have created the "them and us" mentality and forgotten that they are Public Servants, here to serve us and not themselves and their hair brained schemes and personal political agendas.
They really have lost sight of what their purpose is; the Council and it's employees are there to make our lives in the City easier and more enjoyable not to spy on us and force us to look over our shoulders in case they slap us with a fine for pulling over for a couple of minutes. I am not just talking about the spy van's but about how intrusive in our daily lives the Council have become; they have created the "them and us" mentality and forgotten that they are Public Servants, here to serve us and not themselves and their hair brained schemes and personal political agendas. X5019c
  • Score: -28

10:35am Tue 6 May 14

bolero says...

"If we'd seen the camera van we would not have parked". So in other words we know we shouldn't but if we think we can get away with it ,we will. Typical. Carry on the good work.
"If we'd seen the camera van we would not have parked". So in other words we know we shouldn't but if we think we can get away with it ,we will. Typical. Carry on the good work. bolero
  • Score: 39

10:47am Tue 6 May 14

RingoStarr says...

'The car was introduced after calls from headteachers concerned about dangerous parking around their schools, and has the support of police'

So what's it doing in Stonebow fining disabled people?
'The car was introduced after calls from headteachers concerned about dangerous parking around their schools, and has the support of police' So what's it doing in Stonebow fining disabled people? RingoStarr
  • Score: -28

10:58am Tue 6 May 14

anti-rant says...

No parking means no parking, regardless of what you think about the council.
No parking means no parking, regardless of what you think about the council. anti-rant
  • Score: 66

11:10am Tue 6 May 14

Fat Harry says...

It's ridiculous isn't it? It's getting to the stage you can't break the law without getting some busybody wanting to punish you.

"Only pulled over for a few minutes" sounds like a really good defence, and I hope the people who invented it won't mind if I adapt for my own use.

Next time I get caught breaking my neighbours' windows. I'll point out that I'd only smashed a few, and if that doesn't work I'll go crying the Chris Steward and any journalist at the Press who will listen to me, about how unfair it is that they used CCTV to catch me, and if I'd known there was a camera there I wouldn't have done it.
It's ridiculous isn't it? It's getting to the stage you can't break the law without getting some busybody wanting to punish you. "Only pulled over for a few minutes" sounds like a really good defence, and I hope the people who invented it won't mind if I adapt for my own use. Next time I get caught breaking my neighbours' windows. I'll point out that I'd only smashed a few, and if that doesn't work I'll go crying the Chris Steward and any journalist at the Press who will listen to me, about how unfair it is that they used CCTV to catch me, and if I'd known there was a camera there I wouldn't have done it. Fat Harry
  • Score: 34

11:20am Tue 6 May 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Introducing the camera car to deal with safety issues outside schools, means dealing with issues outside schools regardless.

To start using the car for other reasons is nothing more than underhand and a cowardly act by a council that has no credibility beyond their own beliefs.

But it was expected and predicted, just the council didn't have the guts to fully explain what they were doing.

No information, disinformation and outright deception are not unusual from this council, openness and honesty would be unusual.

Please ensure you highlight my post and how dissatisfied you are with my comments by getting the Mark-Down Mongrels to even things up. My comments are after all an honest reflection of your failure.
Introducing the camera car to deal with safety issues outside schools, means dealing with issues outside schools regardless. To start using the car for other reasons is nothing more than underhand and a cowardly act by a council that has no credibility beyond their own beliefs. But it was expected and predicted, just the council didn't have the guts to fully explain what they were doing. No information, disinformation and outright deception are not unusual from this council, openness and honesty would be unusual. Please ensure you highlight my post and how dissatisfied you are with my comments by getting the Mark-Down Mongrels to even things up. My comments are after all an honest reflection of your failure. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -43

11:33am Tue 6 May 14

the original Homer says...

Same question here as it was with Murton Lane.

Is the area no parking or no stopping?

If it's no parking, then the disabled driver or his passenger visiting the bank should be OK. Anyone can stop to set down or pick up passengers in a no parking area, and disabled drivers can park. Also, the camera car shouldn't be patrolling no parking areas, as the Council only said it would patrol schools and no stopping areas.

However, if it is actually a no stopping area, then the drivers are rightly "being done" as they should never stop unless to avoid an immediate accident.

All the Council seem to be doing is educating people about what no stopping really means. I agree that camera vans and "fines" are not the only way to go about educating people, but it does seem to be having an effect.

Maybe the Press should run an article on what no stopping means, what the signs look like, and which areas it applies to?
Same question here as it was with Murton Lane. Is the area no parking or no stopping? If it's no parking, then the disabled driver or his passenger visiting the bank should be OK. Anyone can stop to set down or pick up passengers in a no parking area, and disabled drivers can park. Also, the camera car shouldn't be patrolling no parking areas, as the Council only said it would patrol schools and no stopping areas. However, if it is actually a no stopping area, then the drivers are rightly "being done" as they should never stop unless to avoid an immediate accident. All the Council seem to be doing is educating people about what no stopping really means. I agree that camera vans and "fines" are not the only way to go about educating people, but it does seem to be having an effect. Maybe the Press should run an article on what no stopping means, what the signs look like, and which areas it applies to? the original Homer
  • Score: -82

11:35am Tue 6 May 14

piaggio1 says...

Well.someones gotta pay for the deisel for the YCC van parked up at barmby ont marsh........
Well.someones gotta pay for the deisel for the YCC van parked up at barmby ont marsh........ piaggio1
  • Score: -59

11:36am Tue 6 May 14

York2000 says...

More clickbait from the Press. Got to keep that group of angry comments posters happy.
More clickbait from the Press. Got to keep that group of angry comments posters happy. York2000
  • Score: 17

12:06pm Tue 6 May 14

again says...

Yet more protests from motorists who demand the right (that they don't have) to park where they want when they want;

If there were no parking restrictions or no enforcement there will always be those who snarl everything up by selfish, lazy parking. If the disabled need concessions that is an entirely separate issue;
Yet more protests from motorists who demand the right (that they don't have) to park where they want when they want; If there were no parking restrictions or no enforcement there will always be those who snarl everything up by selfish, lazy parking. If the disabled need concessions that is an entirely separate issue; again
  • Score: 104

12:06pm Tue 6 May 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

I pointed out what the car would be used for in the original article and a lot of angry people who lived near schools said it was needed and would solve the problem. I said well actually surely a more pro-active approach would be better used to stop children getting hit by cars not simply recording them....I pointed out that this was simply a cash cow for the council as lets face it everyone commits motoring offences everyday. They might be minor and cause no issues to anyone but they are against this backwards councils laws... They said nah it will just be used at schools...

Can I ask how much safer all these schools are now? Are all the parents driving 10 yards suddenly walking? Or are people all over the city now getting stung with parking fines (thought we had people to enforce these already)...

What a bunch of skanking bleeps.... Ps I saw this safety car use the right lane heading from the station to blossom street... then cross over in front of another can doing a lane jump... its patronising having a safety car cause safety issues bawbags....
I pointed out what the car would be used for in the original article and a lot of angry people who lived near schools said it was needed and would solve the problem. I said well actually surely a more pro-active approach would be better used to stop children getting hit by cars not simply recording them....I pointed out that this was simply a cash cow for the council as lets face it everyone commits motoring offences everyday. They might be minor and cause no issues to anyone but they are against this backwards councils laws... They said nah it will just be used at schools... Can I ask how much safer all these schools are now? Are all the parents driving 10 yards suddenly walking? Or are people all over the city now getting stung with parking fines (thought we had people to enforce these already)... What a bunch of skanking bleeps.... Ps I saw this safety car use the right lane heading from the station to blossom street... then cross over in front of another can doing a lane jump... its patronising having a safety car cause safety issues bawbags.... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -99

12:32pm Tue 6 May 14

piaggio1 says...

Why not have one for cyclist. .........just a thought........think of the coin to be had.........
Why not have one for cyclist. .........just a thought........think of the coin to be had......... piaggio1
  • Score: -75

12:55pm Tue 6 May 14

ouseswimmer says...

If you are parkign to load or unload then you have a time allowance. A camera van quickly pasing by cannot analyse this information and a blanket ticket is issued. Best o appeal all these tickets as they may be illegal to begin with.
If you are parkign to load or unload then you have a time allowance. A camera van quickly pasing by cannot analyse this information and a blanket ticket is issued. Best o appeal all these tickets as they may be illegal to begin with. ouseswimmer
  • Score: -43

1:06pm Tue 6 May 14

garden lady says...

I would like to point out that the cctv car appears to be extreemly efficient to be able to issue fines 4 minutes after the one hour school finish time of 3pm !!!!! Perhaps it had clocked off school work early.
I would like to point out that the cctv car appears to be extreemly efficient to be able to issue fines 4 minutes after the one hour school finish time of 3pm !!!!! Perhaps it had clocked off school work early. garden lady
  • Score: -48

2:20pm Tue 6 May 14

Micklegate says...

York2000 wrote:
More clickbait from the Press. Got to keep that group of angry comments posters happy.
Surely the angry commenters want to be kept angry rather than happy?
[quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: More clickbait from the Press. Got to keep that group of angry comments posters happy.[/p][/quote]Surely the angry commenters want to be kept angry rather than happy? Micklegate
  • Score: 29

4:26pm Tue 6 May 14

York2000 says...

Micklegate - Ha! Quite.
Micklegate - Ha! Quite. York2000
  • Score: 54

4:32pm Tue 6 May 14

Silver says...

Agree that people who break the rules should be fined, but surely the fact it's on Stonebow which is a walkable distance from the main council building so surely it's a job for the parking wardens?
Agree that people who break the rules should be fined, but surely the fact it's on Stonebow which is a walkable distance from the main council building so surely it's a job for the parking wardens? Silver
  • Score: -18

7:27pm Tue 6 May 14

bolero says...

If this happened in every street in york you'd be having some of them saying "when are the council going to do something about it" in suitable whinging tones.
If this happened in every street in york you'd be having some of them saying "when are the council going to do something about it" in suitable whinging tones. bolero
  • Score: 23

7:34pm Tue 6 May 14

Deety says...

Wikipedia states that " Parking is an act of stopping and disengaging a vehicle and LEAVING it unoccupide "

To my understanding this means the Council have got it wrong again, as said, if you don't leave the vehicle you have stopped NOT parked.
Wikipedia states that " Parking is an act of stopping and disengaging a vehicle and LEAVING it unoccupide " To my understanding this means the Council have got it wrong again, as said, if you don't leave the vehicle you have stopped NOT parked. Deety
  • Score: -23

8:16pm Tue 6 May 14

the original Homer says...

Deety wrote:
Wikipedia states that " Parking is an act of stopping and disengaging a vehicle and LEAVING it unoccupide "

To my understanding this means the Council have got it wrong again, as said, if you don't leave the vehicle you have stopped NOT parked.
It could be the Press that got it wrong about it being anything at all to do with parking - the tickets could be for stopping in a no stopping area.

Wikipedia is wrong though, as it's just the engine off and handbrake on that constitutes being parked - it doesn't have to be left unoccupied. Of course, proving engine off and handbrake on would require a picture taken through the window.
[quote][p][bold]Deety[/bold] wrote: Wikipedia states that " Parking is an act of stopping and disengaging a vehicle and LEAVING it unoccupide " To my understanding this means the Council have got it wrong again, as said, if you don't leave the vehicle you have stopped NOT parked.[/p][/quote]It could be the Press that got it wrong about it being anything at all to do with parking - the tickets could be for stopping in a no stopping area. Wikipedia is wrong though, as it's just the engine off and handbrake on that constitutes being parked - it doesn't have to be left unoccupied. Of course, proving engine off and handbrake on would require a picture taken through the window. the original Homer
  • Score: 40

8:36pm Tue 6 May 14

pedalling paul says...

Anyone following the "Parking Mad" series on TV at present.........an earlier programme in this vein showed Bristol residents cavailing that "...we need to use our cars." and presumably park them all over the place as well.
The latest featured Lyme Regis, where drivers were going round in circles with all the resort's car parks full. Many wanted to ignore the local Park & Ride. So...enjoy a day at the roadside instead of one at the seaside.
Anyone following the "Parking Mad" series on TV at present.........an earlier programme in this vein showed Bristol residents cavailing that "...we need to use our cars." and presumably park them all over the place as well. The latest featured Lyme Regis, where drivers were going round in circles with all the resort's car parks full. Many wanted to ignore the local Park & Ride. So...enjoy a day at the roadside instead of one at the seaside. pedalling paul
  • Score: 39

9:14pm Tue 6 May 14

jake777 says...

andy fowler wrote:
Alexander gets ever nearer to his totalitarian city. He must be stopped and impeached!!!
Why, if you break the law then accept to pay the price simple.
[quote][p][bold]andy fowler[/bold] wrote: Alexander gets ever nearer to his totalitarian city. He must be stopped and impeached!!![/p][/quote]Why, if you break the law then accept to pay the price simple. jake777
  • Score: 73

9:18pm Tue 6 May 14

jake777 says...

RingoStarr wrote:
'The car was introduced after calls from headteachers concerned about dangerous parking around their schools, and has the support of police'

So what's it doing in Stonebow fining disabled people?
If they are disabled, then were was the blue badge.
[quote][p][bold]RingoStarr[/bold] wrote: 'The car was introduced after calls from headteachers concerned about dangerous parking around their schools, and has the support of police' So what's it doing in Stonebow fining disabled people?[/p][/quote]If they are disabled, then were was the blue badge. jake777
  • Score: 96

9:21pm Tue 6 May 14

jake777 says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Introducing the camera car to deal with safety issues outside schools, means dealing with issues outside schools regardless.

To start using the car for other reasons is nothing more than underhand and a cowardly act by a council that has no credibility beyond their own beliefs.

But it was expected and predicted, just the council didn't have the guts to fully explain what they were doing.

No information, disinformation and outright deception are not unusual from this council, openness and honesty would be unusual.

Please ensure you highlight my post and how dissatisfied you are with my comments by getting the Mark-Down Mongrels to even things up. My comments are after all an honest reflection of your failure.
you really are a very sad person try taking up a hobby.
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Introducing the camera car to deal with safety issues outside schools, means dealing with issues outside schools regardless. To start using the car for other reasons is nothing more than underhand and a cowardly act by a council that has no credibility beyond their own beliefs. But it was expected and predicted, just the council didn't have the guts to fully explain what they were doing. No information, disinformation and outright deception are not unusual from this council, openness and honesty would be unusual. Please ensure you highlight my post and how dissatisfied you are with my comments by getting the Mark-Down Mongrels to even things up. My comments are after all an honest reflection of your failure.[/p][/quote]you really are a very sad person try taking up a hobby. jake777
  • Score: 48

9:32pm Tue 6 May 14

jake777 says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
If you are parkign to load or unload then you have a time allowance. A camera van quickly pasing by cannot analyse this information and a blanket ticket is issued. Best o appeal all these tickets as they may be illegal to begin with.
get your facts right before putting silly comments, and if you are not sure pop in fulford and ask.
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: If you are parkign to load or unload then you have a time allowance. A camera van quickly pasing by cannot analyse this information and a blanket ticket is issued. Best o appeal all these tickets as they may be illegal to begin with.[/p][/quote]get your facts right before putting silly comments, and if you are not sure pop in fulford and ask. jake777
  • Score: 43

9:39pm Tue 6 May 14

jake777 says...

Deety wrote:
Wikipedia states that " Parking is an act of stopping and disengaging a vehicle and LEAVING it unoccupide "

To my understanding this means the Council have got it wrong again, as said, if you don't leave the vehicle you have stopped NOT parked.
No you have got it wrong, on double yellow lines you are allowed 2 minutes waiting providing you stay in the vehicle, On a solid broad yellow line I.E. at a bus stop no waiting or parking at all.
[quote][p][bold]Deety[/bold] wrote: Wikipedia states that " Parking is an act of stopping and disengaging a vehicle and LEAVING it unoccupide " To my understanding this means the Council have got it wrong again, as said, if you don't leave the vehicle you have stopped NOT parked.[/p][/quote]No you have got it wrong, on double yellow lines you are allowed 2 minutes waiting providing you stay in the vehicle, On a solid broad yellow line I.E. at a bus stop no waiting or parking at all. jake777
  • Score: 38

9:48pm Tue 6 May 14

X5019c says...

I really think that given the amount of time that the altering of votes has been going on that the Press should sack it's IT manger.
I really think that given the amount of time that the altering of votes has been going on that the Press should sack it's IT manger. X5019c
  • Score: -276

10:45pm Tue 6 May 14

eeoodares says...

Fat Harry wrote:
It's ridiculous isn't it? It's getting to the stage you can't break the law without getting some busybody wanting to punish you.

"Only pulled over for a few minutes" sounds like a really good defence, and I hope the people who invented it won't mind if I adapt for my own use.

Next time I get caught breaking my neighbours' windows. I'll point out that I'd only smashed a few, and if that doesn't work I'll go crying the Chris Steward and any journalist at the Press who will listen to me, about how unfair it is that they used CCTV to catch me, and if I'd known there was a camera there I wouldn't have done it.
Can you really not tell the difference between the two crimes? really? honestly? You need to get a grip kid!
[quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: It's ridiculous isn't it? It's getting to the stage you can't break the law without getting some busybody wanting to punish you. "Only pulled over for a few minutes" sounds like a really good defence, and I hope the people who invented it won't mind if I adapt for my own use. Next time I get caught breaking my neighbours' windows. I'll point out that I'd only smashed a few, and if that doesn't work I'll go crying the Chris Steward and any journalist at the Press who will listen to me, about how unfair it is that they used CCTV to catch me, and if I'd known there was a camera there I wouldn't have done it.[/p][/quote]Can you really not tell the difference between the two crimes? really? honestly? You need to get a grip kid! eeoodares
  • Score: -45

2:59am Wed 7 May 14

Magicman! says...

Alll these cameras around... you can't go the wrong way down a one way street without being caught on camera and fined, you can't go down a bus lane without being fined, you can't park on a double yellow and put your hazard lights on (because that makes a world of difference) or in a bus stop without getting fined; go into a shop and nick a slice of meat and you are caught on camera and geta criminal record, you can't even smash windows without being punished either...

... on the other hand, you could just park in the correct areas, drive sensibly, and not break the law. Just a thought.
Alll these cameras around... you can't go the wrong way down a one way street without being caught on camera and fined, you can't go down a bus lane without being fined, you can't park on a double yellow and put your hazard lights on (because that makes a world of difference) or in a bus stop without getting fined; go into a shop and nick a slice of meat and you are caught on camera and geta criminal record, you can't even smash windows without being punished either... ... on the other hand, you could just park in the correct areas, drive sensibly, and not break the law. Just a thought. Magicman!
  • Score: 36

9:42am Wed 7 May 14

Fabius the Delayer says...

X5019c wrote:
I really think that given the amount of time that the altering of votes has been going on that the Press should sack it's IT manger.
Clearly it is the (Web Monkey) IT manager, altering votes.. judging from your score
who else !!
[quote][p][bold]X5019c[/bold] wrote: I really think that given the amount of time that the altering of votes has been going on that the Press should sack it's IT manger.[/p][/quote]Clearly it is the (Web Monkey) IT manager, altering votes.. judging from your score who else !! Fabius the Delayer
  • Score: -19

4:56pm Wed 7 May 14

muckybutt says...

If you don't want fines then abide by the law and don't park irresponsibly or illegally ! Simple as that !
If you don't want fines then abide by the law and don't park irresponsibly or illegally ! Simple as that ! muckybutt
  • Score: 53

12:16am Thu 8 May 14

tommytuckamotor says...

jake777 wrote:
RingoStarr wrote:
'The car was introduced after calls from headteachers concerned about dangerous parking around their schools, and has the support of police'

So what's it doing in Stonebow fining disabled people?
If they are disabled, then were was the blue badge.
somehow I don't think or have faith in the parking van spotting a blue badge ....... The council's trying to make up the money for all the wrongly issued tickets from lendal bridge ! What's one blue badge ? !
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RingoStarr[/bold] wrote: 'The car was introduced after calls from headteachers concerned about dangerous parking around their schools, and has the support of police' So what's it doing in Stonebow fining disabled people?[/p][/quote]If they are disabled, then were was the blue badge.[/p][/quote]somehow I don't think or have faith in the parking van spotting a blue badge ....... The council's trying to make up the money for all the wrongly issued tickets from lendal bridge ! What's one blue badge ? ! tommytuckamotor
  • Score: -47

8:39am Thu 8 May 14

the original Homer says...

tommytuckamotor wrote:
jake777 wrote:
RingoStarr wrote:
'The car was introduced after calls from headteachers concerned about dangerous parking around their schools, and has the support of police'

So what's it doing in Stonebow fining disabled people?
If they are disabled, then were was the blue badge.
somehow I don't think or have faith in the parking van spotting a blue badge ....... The council's trying to make up the money for all the wrongly issued tickets from lendal bridge ! What's one blue badge ? !
It won't spot a blue badge, or capture how long a vehicle was in a particular place, or whether the engine was running, or whether the handbrake was on. It possibly won't even capture whether or not there was anyone sat in the drivers seat.

Because it can''t capture that kind of evidence, it won't be possible for it to be used to issue "fines" for parking (not even in its original purpose of outside schools). Instead, it will be concentrating on stopping offences, which are easier to prove than parking and have less exemptions.

That means it can't cover double yellow lines in general (although it can cover dangerous places within them). It can cover zigzag lines, clearways and any dangerous places. In such places, the only mitigating circumstance is when you have to stop as the only way of avoiding an immediate accident, and even then you have to start moving again as soon as possible.

The drivers may think they are "getting done" for parking, but the offence is more likely to be for simply stopping.

All the camera car/van needs to do is take 2 photos, a second or two apart, showing that the vehicle didn't move, and showing the road was clear immediately ahead. Once it's got those there are very limited grounds for appeal.
[quote][p][bold]tommytuckamotor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RingoStarr[/bold] wrote: 'The car was introduced after calls from headteachers concerned about dangerous parking around their schools, and has the support of police' So what's it doing in Stonebow fining disabled people?[/p][/quote]If they are disabled, then were was the blue badge.[/p][/quote]somehow I don't think or have faith in the parking van spotting a blue badge ....... The council's trying to make up the money for all the wrongly issued tickets from lendal bridge ! What's one blue badge ? ![/p][/quote]It won't spot a blue badge, or capture how long a vehicle was in a particular place, or whether the engine was running, or whether the handbrake was on. It possibly won't even capture whether or not there was anyone sat in the drivers seat. Because it can''t capture that kind of evidence, it won't be possible for it to be used to issue "fines" for parking (not even in its original purpose of outside schools). Instead, it will be concentrating on stopping offences, which are easier to prove than parking and have less exemptions. That means it can't cover double yellow lines in general (although it can cover dangerous places within them). It can cover zigzag lines, clearways and any dangerous places. In such places, the only mitigating circumstance is when you have to stop as the only way of avoiding an immediate accident, and even then you have to start moving again as soon as possible. The drivers may think they are "getting done" for parking, but the offence is more likely to be for simply stopping. All the camera car/van needs to do is take 2 photos, a second or two apart, showing that the vehicle didn't move, and showing the road was clear immediately ahead. Once it's got those there are very limited grounds for appeal. the original Homer
  • Score: 0

3:44pm Thu 8 May 14

jake777 says...

tommytuckamotor wrote:
jake777 wrote:
RingoStarr wrote:
'The car was introduced after calls from headteachers concerned about dangerous parking around their schools, and has the support of police'

So what's it doing in Stonebow fining disabled people?
If they are disabled, then were was the blue badge.
somehow I don't think or have faith in the parking van spotting a blue badge ....... The council's trying to make up the money for all the wrongly issued tickets from lendal bridge ! What's one blue badge ? !
one blue badge is another blue badge and so on, at the end of the day they should not have been there, so pay the fine and get on with it.
[quote][p][bold]tommytuckamotor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RingoStarr[/bold] wrote: 'The car was introduced after calls from headteachers concerned about dangerous parking around their schools, and has the support of police' So what's it doing in Stonebow fining disabled people?[/p][/quote]If they are disabled, then were was the blue badge.[/p][/quote]somehow I don't think or have faith in the parking van spotting a blue badge ....... The council's trying to make up the money for all the wrongly issued tickets from lendal bridge ! What's one blue badge ? ![/p][/quote]one blue badge is another blue badge and so on, at the end of the day they should not have been there, so pay the fine and get on with it. jake777
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