Work to start on Fossgate improvement plans

York Press: Work to start on Fossgate improvement plans Work to start on Fossgate improvement plans

PLANS are moving forward to make Fossgate more "pedestrian friendly" in a bid to attract more shoppers from York's city centre.

The £310,000 scheme has been approved by City of York Council's cabinet, with work on physical improvements to the street set to get underway next month.

Council officers held a public consultation into the street work, with talks still ongoing over plans to pedestrianise Fossgate during the day.

The street work, which falls under the local authority's Reinvigorate York scheme, will see the road resurfaced, some parking spaces moved, new seats installed, as well as the raising of the road to the level of existing footpaths between its junction with Pavement and the area outside Mason’s Bar and Bistro.

Unique wide granite kerbs would be kept, as will stone setts and paving on Fossgate’s bridge.

Traders in Fossgate have been meeting with council officials and were told the street will be branded with a reclaimed iron archway reading "Welcome to Fossgate, York's Merchants Quarters".

Businesses will be meeting the council again on Thursday to go over plans for the street improvements, ahead of work starting in May.

Steve Dyson, owner of Spring Espresso in Fossgate, said: "This work will make the top of Fossgate look more appealing, it's going to look a lot better.

"We are close to the city centre here, but we are detached. This will make the street more appealing and attract more trade.

"What I would like to see personally is for the whole street to be pedestrianised, so cafes and restaurants can put seating outside. In that sense that work falls somewhat short of what the ideal would be."

Also in favour of pedestrianisation is Martyn Macdonald, director of Macdonalds of York furniture shop in Fossgate.

He said: "I think it will be great, the work will improve the whole look of the street and make it more friendly for pedestrians, bringing more shoppers down into the street.

"I would like to see the street pedestrianised. It would mean we would have to change some aspects of our business, but the benefits of having the street pedestrianised much outweigh that."

In the consultation on proposals for the Reinvigorate York scheme, which drew 600 responses, 56 per cent said Fossgate should be a daytime footstreet and 52 per cent agreed with the choice of paving materials.

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8:44am Sat 19 Apr 14

AnotherPointofView says...

York already has St Peter's Quarter, The Quarter (Stonegate area), Micklegate Quarter, Minster Quarter and not sure what happened to the Cultural Quarter.

Just a basic lesson in maths, you can only have four quarters in a whole! Adding another Quarter just makes the the place look daft!
York already has St Peter's Quarter, The Quarter (Stonegate area), Micklegate Quarter, Minster Quarter and not sure what happened to the Cultural Quarter. Just a basic lesson in maths, you can only have four quarters in a whole! Adding another Quarter just makes the the place look daft! AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -11

8:57am Sat 19 Apr 14

level-headed says...

What a surprise - another £300k budget (which will double during the project) to move some bollards and lay a few cheap slabs down. I could do with one of those CYC contracts!
What a surprise - another £300k budget (which will double during the project) to move some bollards and lay a few cheap slabs down. I could do with one of those CYC contracts! level-headed
  • Score: -9

9:17am Sat 19 Apr 14

amike says...

So what do we do with a narrow seat? Put seats on it forcing pedestrians onto the road and, therefore, improving the case for pedestrianisation.
So what do we do with a narrow seat? Put seats on it forcing pedestrians onto the road and, therefore, improving the case for pedestrianisation. amike
  • Score: 25

9:38am Sat 19 Apr 14

Bailed Out says...

I love York the way is is, stop trying to make it into something it's not. Fossgate is mostly an old, quaint English shopping street. Not Paris.
I love York the way is is, stop trying to make it into something it's not. Fossgate is mostly an old, quaint English shopping street. Not Paris. Bailed Out
  • Score: -13

10:43am Sat 19 Apr 14

Caecilius says...

Hm. Successful businessmen who want to see the street outside their premises pedestrianized, because they believe it'll attract more shoppers. That fits with the recent revelation that footfall in the city centre was up by 10% last month, while Lendal Bridge was closed to cars, in comparison with March 2013, when it wasn't. Both of these things cast doubt on the claims by (apparently) less successful businessmen that it was the bridge closure that caused their problemt.
Hm. Successful businessmen who want to see the street outside their premises pedestrianized, because they believe it'll attract more shoppers. That fits with the recent revelation that footfall in the city centre was up by 10% last month, while Lendal Bridge was closed to cars, in comparison with March 2013, when it wasn't. Both of these things cast doubt on the claims by (apparently) less successful businessmen that it was the bridge closure that caused their problemt. Caecilius
  • Score: 53

11:05am Sat 19 Apr 14

Jazzper says...

'Caecilius'....on yer bike!
'Caecilius'....on yer bike! Jazzper
  • Score: -33

11:11am Sat 19 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

Caecilius wrote:
Hm. Successful businessmen who want to see the street outside their premises pedestrianized, because they believe it'll attract more shoppers. That fits with the recent revelation that footfall in the city centre was up by 10% last month, while Lendal Bridge was closed to cars, in comparison with March 2013, when it wasn't. Both of these things cast doubt on the claims by (apparently) less successful businessmen that it was the bridge closure that caused their problemt.
You lost kid, move on...you are starting to sound bitter!
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: Hm. Successful businessmen who want to see the street outside their premises pedestrianized, because they believe it'll attract more shoppers. That fits with the recent revelation that footfall in the city centre was up by 10% last month, while Lendal Bridge was closed to cars, in comparison with March 2013, when it wasn't. Both of these things cast doubt on the claims by (apparently) less successful businessmen that it was the bridge closure that caused their problemt.[/p][/quote]You lost kid, move on...you are starting to sound bitter! eeoodares
  • Score: -37

11:13am Sat 19 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
York already has St Peter's Quarter, The Quarter (Stonegate area), Micklegate Quarter, Minster Quarter and not sure what happened to the Cultural Quarter.

Just a basic lesson in maths, you can only have four quarters in a whole! Adding another Quarter just makes the the place look daft!
A quarter is a place you might reside or an area of a City town or district.

The Army have quarters for its soldiers, are you suggesting that there are only 4 of them?
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: York already has St Peter's Quarter, The Quarter (Stonegate area), Micklegate Quarter, Minster Quarter and not sure what happened to the Cultural Quarter. Just a basic lesson in maths, you can only have four quarters in a whole! Adding another Quarter just makes the the place look daft![/p][/quote]A quarter is a place you might reside or an area of a City town or district. The Army have quarters for its soldiers, are you suggesting that there are only 4 of them? eeoodares
  • Score: -39

11:29am Sat 19 Apr 14

marvell says...

Meanwhile, most York roads are in great need of repair & will continue to be neglected - that is of course unless your road will be used for "Le Tour" ...
Meanwhile, most York roads are in great need of repair & will continue to be neglected - that is of course unless your road will be used for "Le Tour" ... marvell
  • Score: -29

11:39am Sat 19 Apr 14

roskoboskovic says...

just force more motorists out of york which is presumably their real aim.why pretend it s all about pedestrians.it may eventually sink in with these councillors that motorists like to use their cars and just because these idealistic fools don t agree with that won t change a thing.
just force more motorists out of york which is presumably their real aim.why pretend it s all about pedestrians.it may eventually sink in with these councillors that motorists like to use their cars and just because these idealistic fools don t agree with that won t change a thing. roskoboskovic
  • Score: -49

11:52am Sat 19 Apr 14

Sage9 says...

Let's hope that cyclists are banned as well. The slope on Fossgate with the bridge at the end encourages the build up of speed. Sooner of later some idiot speeding along on a bike without the benefit of third party insurance will cause a serious injury to a pedestrian who thought they were in a safe "cafe culture" footstreet. The bikes can easily use Piccadilly instead.
Let's hope that cyclists are banned as well. The slope on Fossgate with the bridge at the end encourages the build up of speed. Sooner of later some idiot speeding along on a bike without the benefit of third party insurance will cause a serious injury to a pedestrian who thought they were in a safe "cafe culture" footstreet. The bikes can easily use Piccadilly instead. Sage9
  • Score: -33

2:37pm Sat 19 Apr 14

CommonSense!! says...

Businesses complaining that they are a bit left out of the town centre? Presumably their rents are much lower than those of Stonegate or Coney Street? You can't have it both ways.

They want the area pedestrianised? They ought to have secured premises in a pedestrian area then.

The sooner people understand that roads are there to carry vehicles, and footpaths are for pedestrians the better.
Businesses complaining that they are a bit left out of the town centre? Presumably their rents are much lower than those of Stonegate or Coney Street? You can't have it both ways. They want the area pedestrianised? They ought to have secured premises in a pedestrian area then. The sooner people understand that roads are there to carry vehicles, and footpaths are for pedestrians the better. CommonSense!!
  • Score: -43

3:00pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Eborwatch says...

Will bikes be excluded?
Will bikes be excluded? Eborwatch
  • Score: -18

5:47pm Sat 19 Apr 14

PKH says...

Caecilius wrote:
Hm. Successful businessmen who want to see the street outside their premises pedestrianized, because they believe it'll attract more shoppers. That fits with the recent revelation that footfall in the city centre was up by 10% last month, while Lendal Bridge was closed to cars, in comparison with March 2013, when it wasn't. Both of these things cast doubt on the claims by (apparently) less successful businessmen that it was the bridge closure that caused their problemt.
The weather this year was far better than March 2013 which was abysmal, but hey it suits Caecilius purpose to ignore this very relevant fact.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: Hm. Successful businessmen who want to see the street outside their premises pedestrianized, because they believe it'll attract more shoppers. That fits with the recent revelation that footfall in the city centre was up by 10% last month, while Lendal Bridge was closed to cars, in comparison with March 2013, when it wasn't. Both of these things cast doubt on the claims by (apparently) less successful businessmen that it was the bridge closure that caused their problemt.[/p][/quote]The weather this year was far better than March 2013 which was abysmal, but hey it suits Caecilius purpose to ignore this very relevant fact. PKH
  • Score: -28

7:11pm Sat 19 Apr 14

the-e-man says...

This Labour Council certainly know how to spend money particularly when it is not coming out of their own pockets. Reminds me of the last Government we had and look where that got us. The Council will soon be making a case for a rate rise to cover their own extravagant and wasteful policies - and oh yes to repay all the Lendal Bridge fines.
This Labour Council certainly know how to spend money particularly when it is not coming out of their own pockets. Reminds me of the last Government we had and look where that got us. The Council will soon be making a case for a rate rise to cover their own extravagant and wasteful policies - and oh yes to repay all the Lendal Bridge fines. the-e-man
  • Score: -27

8:26pm Sat 19 Apr 14

cloud8 says...

I'm a pedestrian and I'm happy to say I walked down Fossgate today with no problems at all, so save yourselves £310,000 and forget this silliness.
I'm a pedestrian and I'm happy to say I walked down Fossgate today with no problems at all, so save yourselves £310,000 and forget this silliness. cloud8
  • Score: -13

7:25am Sun 20 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

Sage9 wrote:
Let's hope that cyclists are banned as well. The slope on Fossgate with the bridge at the end encourages the build up of speed. Sooner of later some idiot speeding along on a bike without the benefit of third party insurance will cause a serious injury to a pedestrian who thought they were in a safe "cafe culture" footstreet. The bikes can easily use Piccadilly instead.
Cyclists should be made to dismount and walk along any street or place that has been pedestrianised, the clue is in the name!
[quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: Let's hope that cyclists are banned as well. The slope on Fossgate with the bridge at the end encourages the build up of speed. Sooner of later some idiot speeding along on a bike without the benefit of third party insurance will cause a serious injury to a pedestrian who thought they were in a safe "cafe culture" footstreet. The bikes can easily use Piccadilly instead.[/p][/quote]Cyclists should be made to dismount and walk along any street or place that has been pedestrianised, the clue is in the name! Igiveinthen
  • Score: -6

7:29am Sun 20 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
Sage9 wrote:
Let's hope that cyclists are banned as well. The slope on Fossgate with the bridge at the end encourages the build up of speed. Sooner of later some idiot speeding along on a bike without the benefit of third party insurance will cause a serious injury to a pedestrian who thought they were in a safe "cafe culture" footstreet. The bikes can easily use Piccadilly instead.
Cyclists should be made to dismount and walk along any street or place that has been pedestrianised, the clue is in the name!
Oops I am starting to upset some commenters, have just had a warning from the Fat Controller, could it be justin7, jake777 or me old mate pp/Hepworth?
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: Let's hope that cyclists are banned as well. The slope on Fossgate with the bridge at the end encourages the build up of speed. Sooner of later some idiot speeding along on a bike without the benefit of third party insurance will cause a serious injury to a pedestrian who thought they were in a safe "cafe culture" footstreet. The bikes can easily use Piccadilly instead.[/p][/quote]Cyclists should be made to dismount and walk along any street or place that has been pedestrianised, the clue is in the name![/p][/quote]Oops I am starting to upset some commenters, have just had a warning from the Fat Controller, could it be justin7, jake777 or me old mate pp/Hepworth? Igiveinthen
  • Score: -5

8:35am Sun 20 Apr 14

gmc_1963 says...

Change does NOT equal better, stop changing the character of the City
Change does NOT equal better, stop changing the character of the City gmc_1963
  • Score: -19

9:46am Sun 20 Apr 14

Woody G Mellor says...

Sage9 wrote:
Let's hope that cyclists are banned as well. The slope on Fossgate with the bridge at the end encourages the build up of speed. Sooner of later some idiot speeding along on a bike without the benefit of third party insurance will cause a serious injury to a pedestrian who thought they were in a safe "cafe culture" footstreet. The bikes can easily use Piccadilly instead.
Do you have third party insurance for when you are getting about on foot? Just wondering like.
[quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: Let's hope that cyclists are banned as well. The slope on Fossgate with the bridge at the end encourages the build up of speed. Sooner of later some idiot speeding along on a bike without the benefit of third party insurance will cause a serious injury to a pedestrian who thought they were in a safe "cafe culture" footstreet. The bikes can easily use Piccadilly instead.[/p][/quote]Do you have third party insurance for when you are getting about on foot? Just wondering like. Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -55

7:52pm Sun 20 Apr 14

RoseD says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
Sage9 wrote:
Let's hope that cyclists are banned as well. The slope on Fossgate with the bridge at the end encourages the build up of speed. Sooner of later some idiot speeding along on a bike without the benefit of third party insurance will cause a serious injury to a pedestrian who thought they were in a safe "cafe culture" footstreet. The bikes can easily use Piccadilly instead.
Cyclists should be made to dismount and walk along any street or place that has been pedestrianised, the clue is in the name!
Yes the clue IS in the name and if one struggles to be a 'pedestrian' and must drive... and the place is 'pedestrianized'.... its just the COYM way of saying Cripples Not Wanted.
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sage9[/bold] wrote: Let's hope that cyclists are banned as well. The slope on Fossgate with the bridge at the end encourages the build up of speed. Sooner of later some idiot speeding along on a bike without the benefit of third party insurance will cause a serious injury to a pedestrian who thought they were in a safe "cafe culture" footstreet. The bikes can easily use Piccadilly instead.[/p][/quote]Cyclists should be made to dismount and walk along any street or place that has been pedestrianised, the clue is in the name![/p][/quote]Yes the clue IS in the name and if one struggles to be a 'pedestrian' and must drive... and the place is 'pedestrianized'.... its just the COYM way of saying Cripples Not Wanted. RoseD
  • Score: -72

2:39pm Mon 21 Apr 14

bloodaxe says...

gmc_1963 wrote:
Change does NOT equal better, stop changing the character of the City
Broken pavements, degraded tarmac, dirty and tired street nameplates and signage might be your idea of desirable character but it sure ain't mine.
[quote][p][bold]gmc_1963[/bold] wrote: Change does NOT equal better, stop changing the character of the City[/p][/quote]Broken pavements, degraded tarmac, dirty and tired street nameplates and signage might be your idea of desirable character but it sure ain't mine. bloodaxe
  • Score: 6

5:07am Tue 22 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

eeoodares wrote:
Caecilius wrote:
Hm. Successful businessmen who want to see the street outside their premises pedestrianized, because they believe it'll attract more shoppers. That fits with the recent revelation that footfall in the city centre was up by 10% last month, while Lendal Bridge was closed to cars, in comparison with March 2013, when it wasn't. Both of these things cast doubt on the claims by (apparently) less successful businessmen that it was the bridge closure that caused their problemt.
You lost kid, move on...you are starting to sound bitter!
Just as bitter as those who weren't able to driver over Lendal bridge for a few months perhaps??
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: Hm. Successful businessmen who want to see the street outside their premises pedestrianized, because they believe it'll attract more shoppers. That fits with the recent revelation that footfall in the city centre was up by 10% last month, while Lendal Bridge was closed to cars, in comparison with March 2013, when it wasn't. Both of these things cast doubt on the claims by (apparently) less successful businessmen that it was the bridge closure that caused their problemt.[/p][/quote]You lost kid, move on...you are starting to sound bitter![/p][/quote]Just as bitter as those who weren't able to driver over Lendal bridge for a few months perhaps?? Magicman!
  • Score: 2

5:11am Tue 22 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

CommonSense!! wrote:
Businesses complaining that they are a bit left out of the town centre? Presumably their rents are much lower than those of Stonegate or Coney Street? You can't have it both ways.

They want the area pedestrianised? They ought to have secured premises in a pedestrian area then.

The sooner people understand that roads are there to carry vehicles, and footpaths are for pedestrians the better.
Indeed. The Minster Plazza has already confused the issue and created a potentially dangerous situation.

At the very least, if cyclists are still to be allowed along Fossgate, then the cycle lane SHOULD be at a dropped level to the paved areas - this way all pedestrians (including the blind and partially sighted) will know where the cycle lane is and so will not stand around on it. Conversely because there is no physical drop, pedestrians on Minster Plazza stand all over the cycle lane. Thank God I was nowhere near York on the day of those public baptisms, as I highly doubt those overseeing that event were telling pedestrians to keep clear of the nationally-recognise
d cycle route there (if anything I bet they were telling cyclists to get off and walk!)
[quote][p][bold]CommonSense!![/bold] wrote: Businesses complaining that they are a bit left out of the town centre? Presumably their rents are much lower than those of Stonegate or Coney Street? You can't have it both ways. They want the area pedestrianised? They ought to have secured premises in a pedestrian area then. The sooner people understand that roads are there to carry vehicles, and footpaths are for pedestrians the better.[/p][/quote]Indeed. The Minster Plazza has already confused the issue and created a potentially dangerous situation. At the very least, if cyclists are still to be allowed along Fossgate, then the cycle lane SHOULD be at a dropped level to the paved areas - this way all pedestrians (including the blind and partially sighted) will know where the cycle lane is and so will not stand around on it. Conversely because there is no physical drop, pedestrians on Minster Plazza stand all over the cycle lane. Thank God I was nowhere near York on the day of those public baptisms, as I highly doubt those overseeing that event were telling pedestrians to keep clear of the nationally-recognise d cycle route there (if anything I bet they were telling cyclists to get off and walk!) Magicman!
  • Score: -1

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