Hundreds call for debate on supermarket planning

An artist's impression of how the new Sainsbury’s store in Hull Road could look

An artist's impression of how the new Sainsbury’s store in Hull Road could look

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A PETITION with almost 2,000 signatures is to be presented to York councillors asking for stricter controls around supermarket development.

The campaign was launched by York businessman Graham Kennedy, owner of Hull Road Service Station, in response to Sainsbury's plans to open its third large supermarket in the city.

Mr Kennedy says York is already home to 15 large supermarkets and more than 20 mini supermarkets, which he believes is more per head of population than any other town or city in the UK.

His petition calls for the council "not to approve any further planning permissions for supermarkets in York without a public debate" stating: "We believe that York has now too many large supermarkets and any further expansion will threaten the very existence and sustainability of independent local retailers.”

The petition, which has more than 1,700 signatures is being presented at tomorrow's City of York Council Full Council meeting.

Mr Kennedy, said: "I think it's very significant the amount of people who have signed it. It shows a lot of people think the same as me that we have got enough supermarkets in York already.

"It brings to a head the question how many supermarkets does a city really need."

Mr Kennedy says he fears for the future of his business of 25 years, and for his 36 staff should Sainsbury's get planning permission for a store on the B&Q site in Hull Road.

The petition is being supported by Coun Fiona Fitzpatrick and Coun Mark Warters.

Coun Fitzpatrick said: "I very much support Mr Kennedy's argument as per head of population York seems to have so many supermarkets.

"I'm hoping this petition will help create a debate over what York wants, and what York needs to have in the future."

Sainsbury's held a public consultation in January into its Hull Road plans which the company says will create 400 jobs by creating a new 60,000st ft food store and cafe.

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8:56am Wed 26 Mar 14

yourkidding says...

I am not a big fan of mark warters .but he is right with this one ?
I am not a big fan of mark warters .but he is right with this one ? yourkidding
  • Score: 1

9:13am Wed 26 Mar 14

chelk says...

He is only bothered about this as it will impact on his Service Station takings not on the effect it has on York another NIMBY
He is only bothered about this as it will impact on his Service Station takings not on the effect it has on York another NIMBY chelk
  • Score: -8

10:29am Wed 26 Mar 14

Fabius the Delayer says...

chelk wrote:
He is only bothered about this as it will impact on his Service Station takings not on the effect it has on York another NIMBY
if my experience of the behaviour of Supermarkets is anything to go by
Graham Kennedy, Id sell up now and buy some shares in it instead...
You won't beat them, I know of one Supermarket that applied for planning permission over 20 times being turned down did not stop them. eventual any council will cave in and they will get there way.
Its the logical progression of the capitalism that got you where you are today … Try reading that book by Marx (Karl not Marks & Spencer)
[quote][p][bold]chelk[/bold] wrote: He is only bothered about this as it will impact on his Service Station takings not on the effect it has on York another NIMBY[/p][/quote]if my experience of the behaviour of Supermarkets is anything to go by Graham Kennedy, Id sell up now and buy some shares in it instead... You won't beat them, I know of one Supermarket that applied for planning permission over 20 times being turned down did not stop them. eventual any council will cave in and they will get there way. Its the logical progression of the capitalism that got you where you are today … Try reading that book by Marx (Karl not Marks & Spencer) Fabius the Delayer
  • Score: 7

10:58am Wed 26 Mar 14

The Great Buda says...

There's no petrol station in the application, therefore this is not a direct competition for a petrol station.

This is nimbyism and nothing more.
There's no petrol station in the application, therefore this is not a direct competition for a petrol station. This is nimbyism and nothing more. The Great Buda
  • Score: 1

1:42pm Wed 26 Mar 14

YorkPatrol says...

"Mr Kennedy says York is already home to 15 large supermarkets and more than 20 mini supermarkets"

All of which turn over a heathy profit..... does that tell you something?? Yes, they were all required and all regularly frequented by the residents in and around York potentially indicating a requirement for more....not to mention the hundreds of job's created for local people and the increased sale of British produce - even the imported goods secure jobs in transportation, shipping, ports etc...

Some people need to think a little further than the end of thier noses
"Mr Kennedy says York is already home to 15 large supermarkets and more than 20 mini supermarkets" All of which turn over a heathy profit..... does that tell you something?? Yes, they were all required and all regularly frequented by the residents in and around York potentially indicating a requirement for more....not to mention the hundreds of job's created for local people and the increased sale of British produce - even the imported goods secure jobs in transportation, shipping, ports etc... Some people need to think a little further than the end of thier noses YorkPatrol
  • Score: 4

2:20pm Wed 26 Mar 14

york_chap says...

If they're going to build one that location does kind of make sense. Big site with plenty of car parking, right by the A64 and not directly oppposite people's homes etc.

I'm a little surprised we need another large supermarket to be honest, but they wouldn't build it if they didn't have decent demand projections - and to be fair most of the large stores are either out at the monks cross/clifton moor end of York or on Foss Islands Road - so at least this will help balance things out a bit more and might reduce traffic in certain hotspots.
If they're going to build one that location does kind of make sense. Big site with plenty of car parking, right by the A64 and not directly oppposite people's homes etc. I'm a little surprised we need another large supermarket to be honest, but they wouldn't build it if they didn't have decent demand projections - and to be fair most of the large stores are either out at the monks cross/clifton moor end of York or on Foss Islands Road - so at least this will help balance things out a bit more and might reduce traffic in certain hotspots. york_chap
  • Score: 6

3:00pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Fabius the Delayer says...

The Great Buda wrote:
There's no petrol station in the application, therefore this is not a direct competition for a petrol station.

This is nimbyism and nothing more.
Give them 12 months after they build the new store and the petrol station will follow..

So Hundreds call for debate on supermarket planning?
Not many can be arsed to comment here
maybe people thought they where signing a petition for cheaper fuel.
come the revolution !-0
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: There's no petrol station in the application, therefore this is not a direct competition for a petrol station. This is nimbyism and nothing more.[/p][/quote]Give them 12 months after they build the new store and the petrol station will follow.. So Hundreds call for debate on supermarket planning? Not many can be arsed to comment here maybe people thought they where signing a petition for cheaper fuel. come the revolution !-0 Fabius the Delayer
  • Score: 0

4:08pm Wed 26 Mar 14

BigJon says...

If his petrol station has competitive fuel prices then I would've thought that he'd actually see an upturn in fuel sales after the new store opens. The store will obviously attract people that may normally go to one of the other supermarkets that has a station attached, but as the new one doesn't then they might call into his one to buy their fuel at the same time as doing their shopping.
If his petrol station has competitive fuel prices then I would've thought that he'd actually see an upturn in fuel sales after the new store opens. The store will obviously attract people that may normally go to one of the other supermarkets that has a station attached, but as the new one doesn't then they might call into his one to buy their fuel at the same time as doing their shopping. BigJon
  • Score: 7

4:17pm Wed 26 Mar 14

BigJon says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
"Mr Kennedy says York is already home to 15 large supermarkets and more than 20 mini supermarkets"

All of which turn over a heathy profit..... does that tell you something?? Yes, they were all required and all regularly frequented by the residents in and around York potentially indicating a requirement for more....not to mention the hundreds of job's created for local people and the increased sale of British produce - even the imported goods secure jobs in transportation, shipping, ports etc...

Some people need to think a little further than the end of thier noses
Seeing as the Budgens on Micklegate is closing down I'm guessing that they don't all make healthy profits.....
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: "Mr Kennedy says York is already home to 15 large supermarkets and more than 20 mini supermarkets" All of which turn over a heathy profit..... does that tell you something?? Yes, they were all required and all regularly frequented by the residents in and around York potentially indicating a requirement for more....not to mention the hundreds of job's created for local people and the increased sale of British produce - even the imported goods secure jobs in transportation, shipping, ports etc... Some people need to think a little further than the end of thier noses[/p][/quote]Seeing as the Budgens on Micklegate is closing down I'm guessing that they don't all make healthy profits..... BigJon
  • Score: 1

5:08pm Wed 26 Mar 14

meme says...

this is a matter of protecting his self interest and nothing else and unless we are going to restrict other business which may affect others then this is a very dangerous route to go down
Obviously with MX decision for John Lewis which will have an effect on lots of traders we had already decided that the free market must decide and I for one am all for that
Much as I wish Mr Kennedy well this is called free market enterprise and he must either survive/adapt or go down..I know that's tough but its business and dog eat dog!
this is a matter of protecting his self interest and nothing else and unless we are going to restrict other business which may affect others then this is a very dangerous route to go down Obviously with MX decision for John Lewis which will have an effect on lots of traders we had already decided that the free market must decide and I for one am all for that Much as I wish Mr Kennedy well this is called free market enterprise and he must either survive/adapt or go down..I know that's tough but its business and dog eat dog! meme
  • Score: 0

5:08pm Wed 26 Mar 14

doltare says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
"Mr Kennedy says York is already home to 15 large supermarkets and more than 20 mini supermarkets"

All of which turn over a heathy profit..... does that tell you something?? Yes, they were all required and all regularly frequented by the residents in and around York potentially indicating a requirement for more....not to mention the hundreds of job's created for local people and the increased sale of British produce - even the imported goods secure jobs in transportation, shipping, ports etc...

Some people need to think a little further than the end of thier noses
another supermarket worker! I know for def that 2 Tesco selects in York center have not got into profit yet so your talking b**locks! also they bring 400 jobs when they open then lay half off like Morrison's did, they do it to get planning plus the sheep through the doors! do your home work. Its time these supermarkets were stopped York center is getting like a ghost town "city" due in the week.
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: "Mr Kennedy says York is already home to 15 large supermarkets and more than 20 mini supermarkets" All of which turn over a heathy profit..... does that tell you something?? Yes, they were all required and all regularly frequented by the residents in and around York potentially indicating a requirement for more....not to mention the hundreds of job's created for local people and the increased sale of British produce - even the imported goods secure jobs in transportation, shipping, ports etc... Some people need to think a little further than the end of thier noses[/p][/quote]another supermarket worker! I know for def that 2 Tesco selects in York center have not got into profit yet so your talking b**locks! also they bring 400 jobs when they open then lay half off like Morrison's did, they do it to get planning plus the sheep through the doors! do your home work. Its time these supermarkets were stopped York center is getting like a ghost town "city" due in the week. doltare
  • Score: 2

5:22pm Wed 26 Mar 14

MouseHouse says...

Create 400 jobs - how many are part time, how many are full time? How many jobs will go when other stores close. As per usual the headcount cuts will start soon enough. It'll end up nowhere near that number.

When you've read the works of Karl Marx, fill your tea mug and settle down to The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists. If you're short of time go
to the chapter the covers The Great Money Trick.

This book may change your view of life.
Create 400 jobs - how many are part time, how many are full time? How many jobs will go when other stores close. As per usual the headcount cuts will start soon enough. It'll end up nowhere near that number. When you've read the works of Karl Marx, fill your tea mug and settle down to The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists. If you're short of time go to the chapter the covers The Great Money Trick. This book may change your view of life. MouseHouse
  • Score: 2

5:23pm Wed 26 Mar 14

adrian12 says...

Seems very self protection, the general products sold in the garage are over priced and surly not his number 1 market. As previously said the new store will have no garage, so will surely bring more possible customers the garage?
I would be in favour so to avoid the mayhem which will be the new extended Monks Cross!
Seems very self protection, the general products sold in the garage are over priced and surly not his number 1 market. As previously said the new store will have no garage, so will surely bring more possible customers the garage? I would be in favour so to avoid the mayhem which will be the new extended Monks Cross! adrian12
  • Score: 1

6:46pm Wed 26 Mar 14

mike.......durkin says...

we like BQ on hull road and hope to keep it there there plenty shop there and we dont wont them.i was born in murton but move to taghall at leest we got morrisons and thats not far
we like BQ on hull road and hope to keep it there there plenty shop there and we dont wont them.i was born in murton but move to taghall at leest we got morrisons and thats not far mike.......durkin
  • Score: 3

6:59pm Wed 26 Mar 14

smudge2 says...

mike.......durkin wrote:
we like BQ on hull road and hope to keep it there there plenty shop there and we dont wont them.i was born in murton but move to taghall at leest we got morrisons and thats not far
I think we need a translator and spellcheck to read the above comment ??
[quote][p][bold]mike.......durkin[/bold] wrote: we like BQ on hull road and hope to keep it there there plenty shop there and we dont wont them.i was born in murton but move to taghall at leest we got morrisons and thats not far[/p][/quote]I think we need a translator and spellcheck to read the above comment ?? smudge2
  • Score: 1

11:25pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Oyy you says...

smudge2 wrote:
mike.......durkin wrote:
we like BQ on hull road and hope to keep it there there plenty shop there and we dont wont them.i was born in murton but move to taghall at leest we got morrisons and thats not far
I think we need a translator and spellcheck to read the above comment ??
I cud undratant wat e men, der I'd no nead to b ignowant.....
[quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mike.......durkin[/bold] wrote: we like BQ on hull road and hope to keep it there there plenty shop there and we dont wont them.i was born in murton but move to taghall at leest we got morrisons and thats not far[/p][/quote]I think we need a translator and spellcheck to read the above comment ??[/p][/quote]I cud undratant wat e men, der I'd no nead to b ignowant..... Oyy you
  • Score: 3

4:47am Thu 27 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

BigJon wrote:
YorkPatrol wrote:
"Mr Kennedy says York is already home to 15 large supermarkets and more than 20 mini supermarkets"

All of which turn over a heathy profit..... does that tell you something?? Yes, they were all required and all regularly frequented by the residents in and around York potentially indicating a requirement for more....not to mention the hundreds of job's created for local people and the increased sale of British produce - even the imported goods secure jobs in transportation, shipping, ports etc...

Some people need to think a little further than the end of thier noses
Seeing as the Budgens on Micklegate is closing down I'm guessing that they don't all make healthy profits.....
Budgens was overpriced for what it offered.
[quote][p][bold]BigJon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: "Mr Kennedy says York is already home to 15 large supermarkets and more than 20 mini supermarkets" All of which turn over a heathy profit..... does that tell you something?? Yes, they were all required and all regularly frequented by the residents in and around York potentially indicating a requirement for more....not to mention the hundreds of job's created for local people and the increased sale of British produce - even the imported goods secure jobs in transportation, shipping, ports etc... Some people need to think a little further than the end of thier noses[/p][/quote]Seeing as the Budgens on Micklegate is closing down I'm guessing that they don't all make healthy profits.....[/p][/quote]Budgens was overpriced for what it offered. Magicman!
  • Score: 2

9:12am Thu 27 Mar 14

YorkPatrol says...

doltare wrote:
YorkPatrol wrote: "Mr Kennedy says York is already home to 15 large supermarkets and more than 20 mini supermarkets" All of which turn over a heathy profit..... does that tell you something?? Yes, they were all required and all regularly frequented by the residents in and around York potentially indicating a requirement for more....not to mention the hundreds of job's created for local people and the increased sale of British produce - even the imported goods secure jobs in transportation, shipping, ports etc... Some people need to think a little further than the end of thier noses
another supermarket worker! I know for def that 2 Tesco selects in York center have not got into profit yet so your talking b**locks! also they bring 400 jobs when they open then lay half off like Morrison's did, they do it to get planning plus the sheep through the doors! do your home work. Its time these supermarkets were stopped York center is getting like a ghost town "city" due in the week.
Please get an education in basic business before posting silly comments. So you know for “def” about the 2 Tesco’s stores… oh, please do tell where your information derived…?? But, even if this was so, even the less knowledgeable amongst us would know it takes a good while for any business/store to get into profit given the initial start up costs (fitting out, hardware, stock etc). Business leaders advise not to plan to be in profit for at least 18 months for new small businesses ventures, for larger up to five years! – of course this very much depends on a number of factors, the business in question and the associated finance required for operation.

I haven’t got time to give you a lesson in basic business but for the record, I am qualified in this field being the director of my own successful company

I’m afraid it’s you who need to do their homework… Your comments make you look like an uneducated fool
[quote][p][bold]doltare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: "Mr Kennedy says York is already home to 15 large supermarkets and more than 20 mini supermarkets" All of which turn over a heathy profit..... does that tell you something?? Yes, they were all required and all regularly frequented by the residents in and around York potentially indicating a requirement for more....not to mention the hundreds of job's created for local people and the increased sale of British produce - even the imported goods secure jobs in transportation, shipping, ports etc... Some people need to think a little further than the end of thier noses[/p][/quote]another supermarket worker! I know for def that 2 Tesco selects in York center have not got into profit yet so your talking b**locks! also they bring 400 jobs when they open then lay half off like Morrison's did, they do it to get planning plus the sheep through the doors! do your home work. Its time these supermarkets were stopped York center is getting like a ghost town "city" due in the week.[/p][/quote]Please get an education in basic business before posting silly comments. So you know for “def” about the 2 Tesco’s stores… oh, please do tell where your information derived…?? But, even if this was so, even the less knowledgeable amongst us would know it takes a good while for any business/store to get into profit given the initial start up costs (fitting out, hardware, stock etc). Business leaders advise not to plan to be in profit for at least 18 months for new small businesses ventures, for larger up to five years! – of course this very much depends on a number of factors, the business in question and the associated finance required for operation. I haven’t got time to give you a lesson in basic business but for the record, I am qualified in this field being the director of my own successful company I’m afraid it’s you who need to do their homework… Your comments make you look like an uneducated fool YorkPatrol
  • Score: 2

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