Bus drivers in cycling safety trial at University of York

York Press: Danni Lapham of Cycle Alert with Pete Cammidge and fellow bus drivers at the University of York. Danni Lapham of Cycle Alert with Pete Cammidge and fellow bus drivers at the University of York.

BUS drivers have swapped places with cyclists as part of a groundbreaking road safety trial at the University of York.

The city has been picked as the first place in the UK to test out Cycle Alert, a tracking system alerting drivers to nearby cyclists and is intended to be rolled out across the country.

The team behind the system has worked with the university, City of York Council and bus operator Transdev since the start of the year, with the technology fitted onto university buses and students encouraged to do the same on their bikes.

Bus drivers who usually ferry students around the city have this week attended the first of a series of training days to show how they can play their part in improving road safety.

At the end of the session, the drivers had the chance to swap four wheels for two and put what they learned into practice by seeing the road from a cyclist's perspective. The device comprises a tag fitted to the bike or cyclist, sensors installed on the vehicle and a cab-mounted device to warn the driver.

Cycle Alert's co-founder Peter Le Masurier said: "There have been too many tragedies involving cyclists and drivers, but it doesn't have to be this way.

"This event gives bus drivers the chance to experience the road from a very different vantage point. We are delighted with the progress of the trial so far and look forward to continuing this work to ensure the roads are safe for cyclists - York is an ideal city for cycling and we hope that, as a result of our systems, more people - including bus drivers - will be encouraged to hop on a bike."

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8:37am Thu 20 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Excellent idea! Walk a mile in my shoes and all that. Very well done to those who set up and who are participating in this scheme.

(shame that out of the drivers pictured, noticably missing is the man who last Saturday nearly hit a cyclist through his own carelessness and then called the cyclist a prat)
Excellent idea! Walk a mile in my shoes and all that. Very well done to those who set up and who are participating in this scheme. (shame that out of the drivers pictured, noticably missing is the man who last Saturday nearly hit a cyclist through his own carelessness and then called the cyclist a prat) Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 16

9:42am Thu 20 Mar 14

fixedfanatic says...

Wonder how many units they have sold compared to the number of bikes on campus?
Wonder how many units they have sold compared to the number of bikes on campus? fixedfanatic
  • Score: 5

9:47am Thu 20 Mar 14

sheddie says...

I say crap idea - read the article carefully - it's not mainly about getting bus drivers to ride bikes, it's about selling a stupid gimmick that relies on cyclists carrying a warning beacon that can be picked up by a receiver in the bus and makes it go beep or something when a cyclist is close.

So human nature being what it is and even with the best will in the world from bus drivers this will make it MORE dangerous for cyclists, motorbikers and pedestrians who don't carry the transponder, because drivers will become conditioned to expect the beep to alert them to nearby hazards instead of relying on eyes/mirrors. I can't believe anyone would seriously suggest all cyclists (and other road users) will get these tags (and why should they - it's not them killing people with a ten ton vehicle) so it'll make matters worse not better.

It's cynical, stupid and the sort of 'safety window dressing' that makes gullible people happy and makes the promotors lots of money.

Far better spend the money on better mirrors, cab design or blind spot CCTV. That helps drivers see all other road users, including mums pushing prams and other pedestrians, motorbikes, untagged cyclists etc so that they can take the proper care needed when driving round these potentially lethal vehicles.

Then longer term design the roads for proper separation of vulnerable road users from ten ton buses.

Yes, and some cycle training for students would be a good idea too along the lines of "you'll probably live longer if you don't go upside the inside of moving trucks and buses."
I say crap idea - read the article carefully - it's not mainly about getting bus drivers to ride bikes, it's about selling a stupid gimmick that relies on cyclists carrying a warning beacon that can be picked up by a receiver in the bus and makes it go beep or something when a cyclist is close. So human nature being what it is and even with the best will in the world from bus drivers this will make it MORE dangerous for cyclists, motorbikers and pedestrians who don't carry the transponder, because drivers will become conditioned to expect the beep to alert them to nearby hazards instead of relying on eyes/mirrors. I can't believe anyone would seriously suggest all cyclists (and other road users) will get these tags (and why should they - it's not them killing people with a ten ton vehicle) so it'll make matters worse not better. It's cynical, stupid and the sort of 'safety window dressing' that makes gullible people happy and makes the promotors lots of money. Far better spend the money on better mirrors, cab design or blind spot CCTV. That helps drivers see all other road users, including mums pushing prams and other pedestrians, motorbikes, untagged cyclists etc so that they can take the proper care needed when driving round these potentially lethal vehicles. Then longer term design the roads for proper separation of vulnerable road users from ten ton buses. Yes, and some cycle training for students would be a good idea too along the lines of "you'll probably live longer if you don't go upside the inside of moving trucks and buses." sheddie
  • Score: 37

9:59am Thu 20 Mar 14

pedalling paul says...

There's much better technology available now for fitting in bus & lorry cabs. It will detect all cyclists in proximity, whether or not the bike is fitted with a so called Cycle Alert gizmo.
Andas ever there is no substitute for looking in mirrors, anticipating and for safe positionng by cyclists when large vehicles are in their vicinity.
SMIDSY or "Sorry mate I didn't see you.." no longer washes in law courts.

https://www.facebook
.com/stopsmidsy for more.
There's much better technology available now for fitting in bus & lorry cabs. It will detect all cyclists in proximity, whether or not the bike is fitted with a so called Cycle Alert gizmo. Andas ever there is no substitute for looking in mirrors, anticipating and for safe positionng by cyclists when large vehicles are in their vicinity. SMIDSY or "Sorry mate I didn't see you.." no longer washes in law courts. https://www.facebook .com/stopsmidsy for more. pedalling paul
  • Score: 17

11:45am Thu 20 Mar 14

JHardacre says...

" some cycle training for students would be a good idea too along the lines of "you'll probably live longer if you don't go upside the inside of moving trucks and buses."

What make you think it's just students that do this?
" some cycle training for students would be a good idea too along the lines of "you'll probably live longer if you don't go upside the inside of moving trucks and buses." What make you think it's just students that do this? JHardacre
  • Score: 14

11:47am Thu 20 Mar 14

pejo says...

Please can foreign students especially be asked to look both ways when pulling out of a junction on their bikes. So many set off without looking.
Please can foreign students especially be asked to look both ways when pulling out of a junction on their bikes. So many set off without looking. pejo
  • Score: 19

12:21pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Crikey! The last thing we need is BUSES shooting red lights and driving on the pavements too...
Crikey! The last thing we need is BUSES shooting red lights and driving on the pavements too... Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: -27

12:40pm Thu 20 Mar 14

BL2 says...

How about fitting something to cycles to alert them to buses, cars, other cyclists, pedestrians, .... many seem oblivious to ANY other road user!
How about fitting something to cycles to alert them to buses, cars, other cyclists, pedestrians, .... many seem oblivious to ANY other road user! BL2
  • Score: -13

12:40pm Thu 20 Mar 14

York Castle says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
Crikey! The last thing we need is BUSES shooting red lights and driving on the pavements too...
Not to mention cycling on Walmgate, Fossgate and Merchantgate, the wrong way on these one way streets. You should see the look of horror and panic on the bus drivers faces (and hear the squeal of brakes) as they turn from Merchantgate into Walmgate to be met with a cyclist (who is travelling the wrong way on the one way street) 'head on' in front of them. I've lost count of the number of times each week that I see this happen.
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: Crikey! The last thing we need is BUSES shooting red lights and driving on the pavements too...[/p][/quote]Not to mention cycling on Walmgate, Fossgate and Merchantgate, the wrong way on these one way streets. You should see the look of horror and panic on the bus drivers faces (and hear the squeal of brakes) as they turn from Merchantgate into Walmgate to be met with a cyclist (who is travelling the wrong way on the one way street) 'head on' in front of them. I've lost count of the number of times each week that I see this happen. York Castle
  • Score: -7

12:40pm Thu 20 Mar 14

BL2 says...

BL2 wrote:
How about fitting something to cycles to alert them to buses, cars, other cyclists, pedestrians, .... many seem oblivious to ANY other road user!
Actually - this would be a brain ... which many people seem to be lacking...
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: How about fitting something to cycles to alert them to buses, cars, other cyclists, pedestrians, .... many seem oblivious to ANY other road user![/p][/quote]Actually - this would be a brain ... which many people seem to be lacking... BL2
  • Score: -21

12:47pm Thu 20 Mar 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

BL2 wrote:
How about fitting something to cycles to alert them to buses, cars, other cyclists, pedestrians, .... many seem oblivious to ANY other road user!
Maybe we should put a bell on them!
(Pats self on back for joke only I will find funny...)
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: How about fitting something to cycles to alert them to buses, cars, other cyclists, pedestrians, .... many seem oblivious to ANY other road user![/p][/quote]Maybe we should put a bell on them! (Pats self on back for joke only I will find funny...) AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: -19

1:54pm Thu 20 Mar 14

SelbyLady says...

Thet should bring the cycling proficiency test back!

All bikes should be fitted with both rear and front facing lights as mandatory items and all riders must be made to wear hi vis at all times that way drivers will have a good chance of seeing the 'idiots' who have no regard for other users.

I'm fed up with all this 'think bike' advertising when half the time it is their own fault when there is an accident. Also Red lights don't mean stop to them either, they just ride through them most of the time.
Thet should bring the cycling proficiency test back! All bikes should be fitted with both rear and front facing lights as mandatory items and all riders must be made to wear hi vis at all times that way drivers will have a good chance of seeing the 'idiots' who have no regard for other users. I'm fed up with all this 'think bike' advertising when half the time it is their own fault when there is an accident. Also Red lights don't mean stop to them either, they just ride through them most of the time. SelbyLady
  • Score: 3

2:08pm Thu 20 Mar 14

PKH says...

SelbyLady wrote:
Thet should bring the cycling proficiency test back!

All bikes should be fitted with both rear and front facing lights as mandatory items and all riders must be made to wear hi vis at all times that way drivers will have a good chance of seeing the 'idiots' who have no regard for other users.

I'm fed up with all this 'think bike' advertising when half the time it is their own fault when there is an accident. Also Red lights don't mean stop to them either, they just ride through them most of the time.
Red lights meant nothing to the car driver I nearly ran into when in my car on Friday night either!!! It is not just cyclist who ignore red lights!!!!
[quote][p][bold]SelbyLady[/bold] wrote: Thet should bring the cycling proficiency test back! All bikes should be fitted with both rear and front facing lights as mandatory items and all riders must be made to wear hi vis at all times that way drivers will have a good chance of seeing the 'idiots' who have no regard for other users. I'm fed up with all this 'think bike' advertising when half the time it is their own fault when there is an accident. Also Red lights don't mean stop to them either, they just ride through them most of the time.[/p][/quote]Red lights meant nothing to the car driver I nearly ran into when in my car on Friday night either!!! It is not just cyclist who ignore red lights!!!! PKH
  • Score: 26

3:23pm Thu 20 Mar 14

MouseHouse says...

SelbyLady wrote:
Thet should bring the cycling proficiency test back!

All bikes should be fitted with both rear and front facing lights as mandatory items and all riders must be made to wear hi vis at all times that way drivers will have a good chance of seeing the 'idiots' who have no regard for other users.

I'm fed up with all this 'think bike' advertising when half the time it is their own fault when there is an accident. Also Red lights don't mean stop to them either, they just ride through them most of the time.
Oh dear!

The Cycling Proficiency Test I did in the 70s was all on a school playground, there was not a single metre cycled on roads, why on earth you want to bring that back escapes me. The replacement scheme, that all my children have done through school, is better in that they go on roads. Further enhancements to that are something i could support.

Hi Vis jackets. There are so many out there now, cyclists, police, ambulance crew, road repair crews et al that's its approaching the point where they are no longer seen - not being able to see the wood for the trees syndrome.

Lights - why would a cyclist in good natural daylight need to have a light fitted, and I assume switched on? It would achieve absolutely nothing, If you said lights on just before dusk I'd agree with you.

Half the time it's their fault. Please supply the evidence for this claim. If you can't I'll just ignore it.

Red lights are cycled through most of the time - this happens some of the time,NOT most of the time. Exactly the same can be said of motorists. It is foolhardy, endangers others and I would happily back any campaign that stamped this practice out.
[quote][p][bold]SelbyLady[/bold] wrote: Thet should bring the cycling proficiency test back! All bikes should be fitted with both rear and front facing lights as mandatory items and all riders must be made to wear hi vis at all times that way drivers will have a good chance of seeing the 'idiots' who have no regard for other users. I'm fed up with all this 'think bike' advertising when half the time it is their own fault when there is an accident. Also Red lights don't mean stop to them either, they just ride through them most of the time.[/p][/quote]Oh dear! The Cycling Proficiency Test I did in the 70s was all on a school playground, there was not a single metre cycled on roads, why on earth you want to bring that back escapes me. The replacement scheme, that all my children have done through school, is better in that they go on roads. Further enhancements to that are something i could support. Hi Vis jackets. There are so many out there now, cyclists, police, ambulance crew, road repair crews et al that's its approaching the point where they are no longer seen - not being able to see the wood for the trees syndrome. Lights - why would a cyclist in good natural daylight need to have a light fitted, and I assume switched on? It would achieve absolutely nothing, If you said lights on just before dusk I'd agree with you. Half the time it's their fault. Please supply the evidence for this claim. If you can't I'll just ignore it. Red lights are cycled through most of the time - this happens some of the time,NOT most of the time. Exactly the same can be said of motorists. It is foolhardy, endangers others and I would happily back any campaign that stamped this practice out. MouseHouse
  • Score: 20

3:37pm Thu 20 Mar 14

YorkPatrol says...

How about simply banning bikes from use on the public highways altogether
How about simply banning bikes from use on the public highways altogether YorkPatrol
  • Score: -17

3:44pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Cyclists use the highway by right of way, motorists do so under licence.
Cyclists use the highway by right of way, motorists do so under licence. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

4:24pm Thu 20 Mar 14

york_chap says...

MouseHouse says...
Red lights are cycled through most of the time - this happens some of the time,NOT most of the time. Exactly the same can be said of motorists.

I agree that no-one should jump red lights and I'm certainly not trying to justify the practice, but one major difference between drivers and cyclists is that almost all the drivers I've seen doing this have nipped through 1 or 2 seconds after the light has changed to red. This contrasts with the literally countless cyclists I've seen who wilfully cycle past a red light 20 seconds, 30 seconds or even a full minute after the light has turned to red. I've also seen pedestrians (including myself) sworn at for crossing on the green man phase as a cyclist swerved between us. If a driver had tried that, their number plate would have been reported to the police. Of course there's no recourse for cyclists, apart from a quick kick to their back wheel if you're fast enough, as they're completely unidentifiable.

Worryingly, when speaking about this topic to several people including colleagues who I know to cycle quite a bit, I've been met with indifferent shrugs and advised by a number of them that "if you're on a bike there's no point in stopping at red traffic lights unless you absolutely have to; it wastes too much energy to stop then set off again". But the same people also said that "of course" they'd stop at a red light if they were driving a car.

It's this kind of attitute held by some and the apparent double standards (none of them have ever been stopped or fined) which annoy drivers and responsible cyclists alike - and really needs stamping out. As soon as there's a collision between a vehicle and a cyclist, it's always the vehicle driver's conduct which is put under scrutiny. News reports often feature the line "the driver was questioned but no arrest was made". It never seems to be the cyclist who's questioned or faces arrest. As this attitude spreads and potentially becomes the accepted norm, more and more people are going to get injured and killed on the roads.
MouseHouse says... Red lights are cycled through most of the time - this happens some of the time,NOT most of the time. Exactly the same can be said of motorists. I agree that no-one should jump red lights and I'm certainly not trying to justify the practice, but one major difference between drivers and cyclists is that almost all the drivers I've seen doing this have nipped through 1 or 2 seconds after the light has changed to red. This contrasts with the literally countless cyclists I've seen who wilfully cycle past a red light 20 seconds, 30 seconds or even a full minute after the light has turned to red. I've also seen pedestrians (including myself) sworn at for crossing on the green man phase as a cyclist swerved between us. If a driver had tried that, their number plate would have been reported to the police. Of course there's no recourse for cyclists, apart from a quick kick to their back wheel if you're fast enough, as they're completely unidentifiable. Worryingly, when speaking about this topic to several people including colleagues who I know to cycle quite a bit, I've been met with indifferent shrugs and advised by a number of them that "if you're on a bike there's no point in stopping at red traffic lights unless you absolutely have to; it wastes too much energy to stop then set off again". But the same people also said that "of course" they'd stop at a red light if they were driving a car. It's this kind of attitute held by some and the apparent double standards (none of them have ever been stopped or fined) which annoy drivers and responsible cyclists alike - and really needs stamping out. As soon as there's a collision between a vehicle and a cyclist, it's always the vehicle driver's conduct which is put under scrutiny. News reports often feature the line "the driver was questioned but no arrest was made". It never seems to be the cyclist who's questioned or faces arrest. As this attitude spreads and potentially becomes the accepted norm, more and more people are going to get injured and killed on the roads. york_chap
  • Score: 13

5:07pm Thu 20 Mar 14

MouseHouse says...

Full agreement from me York Chap. There are some road users who seem to think the red light is a pretty decoration. It's red for a reason. The tragedy is that innocent passers by may be injured, or worse, by the selfish actions of these fools.
Full agreement from me York Chap. There are some road users who seem to think the red light is a pretty decoration. It's red for a reason. The tragedy is that innocent passers by may be injured, or worse, by the selfish actions of these fools. MouseHouse
  • Score: -19

5:20pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

Why don't cyclists use the new cycle track along side the ring road between Haxby Rd and Clifton Moor? I'm sure it's open now but I've never seen a single bike on it. Someone mentioned it cost £800K to build!
Why don't cyclists use the new cycle track along side the ring road between Haxby Rd and Clifton Moor? I'm sure it's open now but I've never seen a single bike on it. Someone mentioned it cost £800K to build! Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: 8

5:45pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
BL2 wrote:
How about fitting something to cycles to alert them to buses, cars, other cyclists, pedestrians, .... many seem oblivious to ANY other road user!
Maybe we should put a bell on them!
(Pats self on back for joke only I will find funny...)
I thought it funny, but I bet pp didn't LOL
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: How about fitting something to cycles to alert them to buses, cars, other cyclists, pedestrians, .... many seem oblivious to ANY other road user![/p][/quote]Maybe we should put a bell on them! (Pats self on back for joke only I will find funny...)[/p][/quote]I thought it funny, but I bet pp didn't LOL Igiveinthen
  • Score: -21

5:47pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

PKH wrote:
SelbyLady wrote:
Thet should bring the cycling proficiency test back!

All bikes should be fitted with both rear and front facing lights as mandatory items and all riders must be made to wear hi vis at all times that way drivers will have a good chance of seeing the 'idiots' who have no regard for other users.

I'm fed up with all this 'think bike' advertising when half the time it is their own fault when there is an accident. Also Red lights don't mean stop to them either, they just ride through them most of the time.
Red lights meant nothing to the car driver I nearly ran into when in my car on Friday night either!!! It is not just cyclist who ignore red lights!!!!
You see more kamikaze cyclist going through red lights than car drivers, so come off it
[quote][p][bold]PKH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SelbyLady[/bold] wrote: Thet should bring the cycling proficiency test back! All bikes should be fitted with both rear and front facing lights as mandatory items and all riders must be made to wear hi vis at all times that way drivers will have a good chance of seeing the 'idiots' who have no regard for other users. I'm fed up with all this 'think bike' advertising when half the time it is their own fault when there is an accident. Also Red lights don't mean stop to them either, they just ride through them most of the time.[/p][/quote]Red lights meant nothing to the car driver I nearly ran into when in my car on Friday night either!!! It is not just cyclist who ignore red lights!!!![/p][/quote]You see more kamikaze cyclist going through red lights than car drivers, so come off it Igiveinthen
  • Score: -10

5:50pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Cyclists use the highway by right of way, motorists do so under licence.
Oh come on now Buzzz your getting as bad as pp!
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Cyclists use the highway by right of way, motorists do so under licence.[/p][/quote]Oh come on now Buzzz your getting as bad as pp! Igiveinthen
  • Score: -12

9:13pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Dreirad says...

The new Clifton Moor cycle path doesnt go anywhere, it stops short of the railway line and dumps you on the ring road to cross the traffic.Three lanes, broadside on.
When I ride my trike in York there is poor access for disabled riders to the designated paths on the old railway line or getting to the riverside path due to metal traps to stop cars & motorbikes.
Five years ago the council had video & photographic evidence of the problems for disabled access, nothing done.
I have biked & triked in Europe, they have the space to segregate pedestrians and cyclists from cars and trams.
York is too much of a theme park for tourists to be bothered with locals and there need to get round this congested city
The new Clifton Moor cycle path doesnt go anywhere, it stops short of the railway line and dumps you on the ring road to cross the traffic.Three lanes, broadside on. When I ride my trike in York there is poor access for disabled riders to the designated paths on the old railway line or getting to the riverside path due to metal traps to stop cars & motorbikes. Five years ago the council had video & photographic evidence of the problems for disabled access, nothing done. I have biked & triked in Europe, they have the space to segregate pedestrians and cyclists from cars and trams. York is too much of a theme park for tourists to be bothered with locals and there need to get round this congested city Dreirad
  • Score: 1

12:04am Fri 21 Mar 14

jake777 says...

pejo wrote:
Please can foreign students especially be asked to look both ways when pulling out of a junction on their bikes. So many set off without looking.
They would also benefit by buying a Highway code book and reading it.
[quote][p][bold]pejo[/bold] wrote: Please can foreign students especially be asked to look both ways when pulling out of a junction on their bikes. So many set off without looking.[/p][/quote]They would also benefit by buying a Highway code book and reading it. jake777
  • Score: 5

12:18am Fri 21 Mar 14

jake777 says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
Why don't cyclists use the new cycle track along side the ring road between Haxby Rd and Clifton Moor? I'm sure it's open now but I've never seen a single bike on it. Someone mentioned it cost £800K to build!
its for the Tour De France.
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: Why don't cyclists use the new cycle track along side the ring road between Haxby Rd and Clifton Moor? I'm sure it's open now but I've never seen a single bike on it. Someone mentioned it cost £800K to build![/p][/quote]its for the Tour De France. jake777
  • Score: 4

8:56am Fri 21 Mar 14

sniper 9964 says...

Foreign students are worse than our home grown cyclists. More so the eastern types who I feel that in their country cycles have absolute priority over other road user's. As I see them cycling very dangerously. Through red lights across Junctions the wrong way. On pavements the list goes on. Of cause no one will ever address this issue until one is killed. Then there will be an up roar.
Foreign students are worse than our home grown cyclists. More so the eastern types who I feel that in their country cycles have absolute priority over other road user's. As I see them cycling very dangerously. Through red lights across Junctions the wrong way. On pavements the list goes on. Of cause no one will ever address this issue until one is killed. Then there will be an up roar. sniper 9964
  • Score: 0

9:16am Fri 21 Mar 14

pedalling paul says...

jake777 wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
Why don't cyclists use the new cycle track along side the ring road between Haxby Rd and Clifton Moor? I'm sure it's open now but I've never seen a single bike on it. Someone mentioned it cost £800K to build!
its for the Tour De France.
BECAUSE its not been opened yet!! How many more times......... !!
[quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: Why don't cyclists use the new cycle track along side the ring road between Haxby Rd and Clifton Moor? I'm sure it's open now but I've never seen a single bike on it. Someone mentioned it cost £800K to build![/p][/quote]its for the Tour De France.[/p][/quote]BECAUSE its not been opened yet!! How many more times......... !! pedalling paul
  • Score: -10

10:03am Fri 21 Mar 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

pedalling paul wrote:
jake777 wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
Why don't cyclists use the new cycle track along side the ring road between Haxby Rd and Clifton Moor? I'm sure it's open now but I've never seen a single bike on it. Someone mentioned it cost £800K to build!
its for the Tour De France.
BECAUSE its not been opened yet!! How many more times......... !!
Exactly. Let's save the jokes for when it does open and gets unused ;)

But in all seriousness Paul does it annoy you at all that such a large amount of cycling money has been wasted on what is essentially going to be a white elephant compared to the good that it could have done for cyclists on other routes?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: Why don't cyclists use the new cycle track along side the ring road between Haxby Rd and Clifton Moor? I'm sure it's open now but I've never seen a single bike on it. Someone mentioned it cost £800K to build![/p][/quote]its for the Tour De France.[/p][/quote]BECAUSE its not been opened yet!! How many more times......... !![/p][/quote]Exactly. Let's save the jokes for when it does open and gets unused ;) But in all seriousness Paul does it annoy you at all that such a large amount of cycling money has been wasted on what is essentially going to be a white elephant compared to the good that it could have done for cyclists on other routes? AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: 2

10:12am Fri 21 Mar 14

YorkPatrol says...

AGuyFromStrensall wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
jake777 wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote: Why don't cyclists use the new cycle track along side the ring road between Haxby Rd and Clifton Moor? I'm sure it's open now but I've never seen a single bike on it. Someone mentioned it cost £800K to build!
its for the Tour De France.
BECAUSE its not been opened yet!! How many more times......... !!
Exactly. Let's save the jokes for when it does open and gets unused ;) But in all seriousness Paul does it annoy you at all that such a large amount of cycling money has been wasted on what is essentially going to be a white elephant compared to the good that it could have done for cyclists on other routes?
It annoys most people that a cycling budget exists at all, particularly when there are so many cut backs in critical services
[quote][p][bold]AGuyFromStrensall[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: Why don't cyclists use the new cycle track along side the ring road between Haxby Rd and Clifton Moor? I'm sure it's open now but I've never seen a single bike on it. Someone mentioned it cost £800K to build![/p][/quote]its for the Tour De France.[/p][/quote]BECAUSE its not been opened yet!! How many more times......... !![/p][/quote]Exactly. Let's save the jokes for when it does open and gets unused ;) But in all seriousness Paul does it annoy you at all that such a large amount of cycling money has been wasted on what is essentially going to be a white elephant compared to the good that it could have done for cyclists on other routes?[/p][/quote]It annoys most people that a cycling budget exists at all, particularly when there are so many cut backs in critical services YorkPatrol
  • Score: 1

11:39am Fri 21 Mar 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

pedalling paul wrote:
jake777 wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
Why don't cyclists use the new cycle track along side the ring road between Haxby Rd and Clifton Moor? I'm sure it's open now but I've never seen a single bike on it. Someone mentioned it cost £800K to build!
its for the Tour De France.
BECAUSE its not been opened yet!! How many more times......... !!
Patience Paul... There's no obvious signs to say that it's closed at either entrance to the route. I believe it'll never be used much because of cyclists having to dismount and cross the busy road.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: Why don't cyclists use the new cycle track along side the ring road between Haxby Rd and Clifton Moor? I'm sure it's open now but I've never seen a single bike on it. Someone mentioned it cost £800K to build![/p][/quote]its for the Tour De France.[/p][/quote]BECAUSE its not been opened yet!! How many more times......... !![/p][/quote]Patience Paul... There's no obvious signs to say that it's closed at either entrance to the route. I believe it'll never be used much because of cyclists having to dismount and cross the busy road. Garrowby Turnoff
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11:45am Fri 21 Mar 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
jake777 wrote:
Garrowby Turnoff wrote:
Why don't cyclists use the new cycle track along side the ring road between Haxby Rd and Clifton Moor? I'm sure it's open now but I've never seen a single bike on it. Someone mentioned it cost £800K to build!
its for the Tour De France.
BECAUSE its not been opened yet!! How many more times......... !!
Patience Paul... There's no obvious signs to say that it's closed at either entrance to the route. I believe it'll never be used much because of cyclists having to dismount and cross the busy road.
If the nearby roundabouts are to used as an example there will be no dismounting, just throwing ignore the crossings and throwing themselves in front of cars and hoping that they take evasive action...
[quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jake777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Garrowby Turnoff[/bold] wrote: Why don't cyclists use the new cycle track along side the ring road between Haxby Rd and Clifton Moor? I'm sure it's open now but I've never seen a single bike on it. Someone mentioned it cost £800K to build![/p][/quote]its for the Tour De France.[/p][/quote]BECAUSE its not been opened yet!! How many more times......... !![/p][/quote]Patience Paul... There's no obvious signs to say that it's closed at either entrance to the route. I believe it'll never be used much because of cyclists having to dismount and cross the busy road.[/p][/quote]If the nearby roundabouts are to used as an example there will be no dismounting, just throwing ignore the crossings and throwing themselves in front of cars and hoping that they take evasive action... AGuyFromStrensall
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5:42pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Bill Kinghorn says...

What a bold initiative! Will the cyclists receive any hands-on training before operating the busses?
What a bold initiative! Will the cyclists receive any hands-on training before operating the busses? Bill Kinghorn
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