Traders unhappy over York market plans

Newgate Market in York

Newgate Market in York

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MARKET traders in York say they fear a planned refurbishment will not prevent its downward spiral.

City of York Council is consulting on a planned £1.5 million Newgate Market refurbishment but the plans have sparked concerns among traders who believe they will not secure the site's future.

Coun Sonja Crisp, cabinet member for leisure, culture and tourism, said some of the most popular ideas were the widening of the street to enhance pedestrian flow into Newgate, the creation of a food court and pop-up stalls, and dual shop fronts in the Shambles.

But at a meeting on Monday evening, traders said they hadn’t been properly consulted and feared the council had already made up its mind on the final project.

Paul Anderson, member of Newgate’s traders committee, said: “I don’t feel confident anyone knows what’s going on. They look like they are listening but they are not.”

Rupert Harrison, who has worked on the market for 19 years, is concerned the redesign of the market, which currently holds 85 stalls, will force some traders to relocate and could be deadly for their businesses.

Other concerns focus on the £80,000 investment which will have to be paid back by the traders over ten years through an increase in rent.

The idea of extra food kiosks along Silver Street was welcomed by the traders as a means to create a busier entrance to the market, but they argued this was not a viable solution for the difficult winter months.

Mr Rupert said: “No maintenance money has been spent for years and the market is now run down by the lack of a strong management and the novelty fairs which take place regularly on Parliament Square.”

Traders demand more lighting, better cleaning and a big push in advertisement to give Newgate Market the fresh start it needs.

Mr Anderson said: “We don’t want to change that much but we want to improve what’s there.”

The traders will meet the city council today and hope to obtain more details about the redevelopment plan.

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9:15am Wed 19 Mar 14

Rankled says...

"widening of the street" isn't really possible without knocking down buildings, so I wonder if they just mean forcing the few stalls on Jubbergate to move elsewhere in the market so that you can see more of it from Parliament St.
"widening of the street" isn't really possible without knocking down buildings, so I wonder if they just mean forcing the few stalls on Jubbergate to move elsewhere in the market so that you can see more of it from Parliament St. Rankled
  • Score: 20

9:28am Wed 19 Mar 14

The Grim Reaper says...

Maybe if traders offered value for money they would get more customers. Example - bananas - 68p per kilo (31p per pound at M & S, Tesco, Sainsbury's - on the market 70p per pound, over twice the price. And that is if you can see a price on them. It would help if stall holders were there on a more regular basis.
Maybe if traders offered value for money they would get more customers. Example - bananas - 68p per kilo (31p per pound at M & S, Tesco, Sainsbury's - on the market 70p per pound, over twice the price. And that is if you can see a price on them. It would help if stall holders were there on a more regular basis. The Grim Reaper
  • Score: 19

9:34am Wed 19 Mar 14

yorkandproud says...

Traders said,"they hadn't been properly consulted, and feared the council had already made up its mind". Seems a common thing in this city on all subjects, at present.
Traders said,"they hadn't been properly consulted, and feared the council had already made up its mind". Seems a common thing in this city on all subjects, at present. yorkandproud
  • Score: -15

9:52am Wed 19 Mar 14

yourkidding says...

it looks like we might lose a bit more of our traditions.??
it looks like we might lose a bit more of our traditions.?? yourkidding
  • Score: 16

10:24am Wed 19 Mar 14

TheTruthHurts says...

With respect the last time i had a look around the Market (I needed an emergency Dog Lead) there were just a load of tired old stalls selling a load of old junk which is easily available from shops that are in york and open everyday. And as above it seems that the prices arent all that competitive.

Yeah it is a tradition but they do die away and change/get superseded. Its a nice space in the middle of the City im sad to say but there must be better uses for it.
With respect the last time i had a look around the Market (I needed an emergency Dog Lead) there were just a load of tired old stalls selling a load of old junk which is easily available from shops that are in york and open everyday. And as above it seems that the prices arent all that competitive. Yeah it is a tradition but they do die away and change/get superseded. Its a nice space in the middle of the City im sad to say but there must be better uses for it. TheTruthHurts
  • Score: 16

10:58am Wed 19 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Coun Sonja Crisp:
The creation of a food court and pop-up stalls, and dual shop fronts in the Shambles.

Food court, duel shop fronts for the Shambles and the least permanent part of the refurbishment, pop-up stalls. A £1.5 million plan to create a new city centre open space with the pop-up stalls being popped up somewhere else.

Looks more like a plan for cafe culture than a market, why cover all that new paving with pop-up stalls when tables, chairs and brollies are tourist friendly.

I'd be asking where Yorks pop-up market (on a Friday/Saturday) was going to be because the plan for Newgate doesn't look like it's about the market. Maybe the new location is going to be the temporary relocation site used while the Newgate is being worked on.

Even if you do get back into Newgate the market will be a side show, tucked out of the way in corner and much reduced. Where are the plans, what does it look like and what will be the operational days for the pop-up market.
Coun Sonja Crisp: The creation of a food court and pop-up stalls, and dual shop fronts in the Shambles. Food court, duel shop fronts for the Shambles and the least permanent part of the refurbishment, pop-up stalls. A £1.5 million plan to create a new city centre open space with the pop-up stalls being popped up somewhere else. Looks more like a plan for cafe culture than a market, why cover all that new paving with pop-up stalls when tables, chairs and brollies are tourist friendly. I'd be asking where Yorks pop-up market (on a Friday/Saturday) was going to be because the plan for Newgate doesn't look like it's about the market. Maybe the new location is going to be the temporary relocation site used while the Newgate is being worked on. Even if you do get back into Newgate the market will be a side show, tucked out of the way in corner and much reduced. Where are the plans, what does it look like and what will be the operational days for the pop-up market. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -15

12:47pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Jackanory2 says...

Move the every day market to Parliament Street and then use the Newgate space for the specialist markets, also the space could be used for other events/festivals, and the market traders would have increased footfall.
Move the every day market to Parliament Street and then use the Newgate space for the specialist markets, also the space could be used for other events/festivals, and the market traders would have increased footfall. Jackanory2
  • Score: 33

1:24pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

good to see some more money wasted (again pet project that offers locals or tourists nothing)... Improve it all you want but unless these market stalls start selling unique or cheaper goods what will improve? as for the parliament street market stalls.. they are busy as they offer home grown items or one off buys.. all the market offers is wholesale cr@p.. put some effort in yourselves if you want to see it as an attraction again. Offer people something different then a pound shop.
good to see some more money wasted (again pet project that offers locals or tourists nothing)... Improve it all you want but unless these market stalls start selling unique or cheaper goods what will improve? as for the parliament street market stalls.. they are busy as they offer home grown items or one off buys.. all the market offers is wholesale cr@p.. put some effort in yourselves if you want to see it as an attraction again. Offer people something different then a pound shop. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -20

3:14pm Wed 19 Mar 14

doltare says...

The Grim Reaper wrote:
Maybe if traders offered value for money they would get more customers. Example - bananas - 68p per kilo (31p per pound at M & S, Tesco, Sainsbury's - on the market 70p per pound, over twice the price. And that is if you can see a price on them. It would help if stall holders were there on a more regular basis.
Funny how you've picked up on one line "bananas" when were paying £18 a box for 40llbs how can we sell at a loss? Supermarkets use Bananas as a lost leader and as there biz they can afford to do this! I sell nearly a 100 lines of fruit and veg and supermarkets are cheaper on about 10 so do your homework! ie Yorkshire cauliflowers fresh cut yesterday on my stall now at 75p supermarkets Selby cheapest today £1, Savoy my stall 75p Supermarkets Selby today 80p swede Sainsbury's today £1.60kg mine £1.20, now I could go on o Strawberries half price Sainsbury's £2 mine 2 for £1.80 or 99p each, Blueberry's mine 99p or 2 for £1.50 Sainsbury's again half price £1.50 for one. All prices correct as I've been in and looked so don't complain over one line!
[quote][p][bold]The Grim Reaper[/bold] wrote: Maybe if traders offered value for money they would get more customers. Example - bananas - 68p per kilo (31p per pound at M & S, Tesco, Sainsbury's - on the market 70p per pound, over twice the price. And that is if you can see a price on them. It would help if stall holders were there on a more regular basis.[/p][/quote]Funny how you've picked up on one line "bananas" when were paying £18 a box for 40llbs how can we sell at a loss? Supermarkets use Bananas as a lost leader and as there biz they can afford to do this! I sell nearly a 100 lines of fruit and veg and supermarkets are cheaper on about 10 so do your homework! ie Yorkshire cauliflowers fresh cut yesterday on my stall now at 75p supermarkets Selby cheapest today £1, Savoy my stall 75p Supermarkets Selby today 80p swede Sainsbury's today £1.60kg mine £1.20, now I could go on o Strawberries half price Sainsbury's £2 mine 2 for £1.80 or 99p each, Blueberry's mine 99p or 2 for £1.50 Sainsbury's again half price £1.50 for one. All prices correct as I've been in and looked so don't complain over one line! doltare
  • Score: 13

4:37pm Wed 19 Mar 14

malonemalone says...

all the market sells is a load of old junk apart from the nice bread trader and the flower trader...........onl
y so many dusters and mobile phone covers a person needs...............
.and not to mention the mess they create and the havoc with setting up and breaking down at the end of the day..........close it i say.........the fruit and veg never lasts either hence why they are almost giving it away some days
all the market sells is a load of old junk apart from the nice bread trader and the flower trader...........onl y so many dusters and mobile phone covers a person needs............... .and not to mention the mess they create and the havoc with setting up and breaking down at the end of the day..........close it i say.........the fruit and veg never lasts either hence why they are almost giving it away some days malonemalone
  • Score: 0

4:39pm Wed 19 Mar 14

malonemalone says...

doltare wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
Maybe if traders offered value for money they would get more customers. Example - bananas - 68p per kilo (31p per pound at M & S, Tesco, Sainsbury's - on the market 70p per pound, over twice the price. And that is if you can see a price on them. It would help if stall holders were there on a more regular basis.
Funny how you've picked up on one line "bananas" when were paying £18 a box for 40llbs how can we sell at a loss? Supermarkets use Bananas as a lost leader and as there biz they can afford to do this! I sell nearly a 100 lines of fruit and veg and supermarkets are cheaper on about 10 so do your homework! ie Yorkshire cauliflowers fresh cut yesterday on my stall now at 75p supermarkets Selby cheapest today £1, Savoy my stall 75p Supermarkets Selby today 80p swede Sainsbury's today £1.60kg mine £1.20, now I could go on o Strawberries half price Sainsbury's £2 mine 2 for £1.80 or 99p each, Blueberry's mine 99p or 2 for £1.50 Sainsbury's again half price £1.50 for one. All prices correct as I've been in and looked so don't complain over one line!
the supermarkets sell quality produce though.............i know you dont like it but it's true........we are the customers and you would do well to remember that
[quote][p][bold]doltare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Grim Reaper[/bold] wrote: Maybe if traders offered value for money they would get more customers. Example - bananas - 68p per kilo (31p per pound at M & S, Tesco, Sainsbury's - on the market 70p per pound, over twice the price. And that is if you can see a price on them. It would help if stall holders were there on a more regular basis.[/p][/quote]Funny how you've picked up on one line "bananas" when were paying £18 a box for 40llbs how can we sell at a loss? Supermarkets use Bananas as a lost leader and as there biz they can afford to do this! I sell nearly a 100 lines of fruit and veg and supermarkets are cheaper on about 10 so do your homework! ie Yorkshire cauliflowers fresh cut yesterday on my stall now at 75p supermarkets Selby cheapest today £1, Savoy my stall 75p Supermarkets Selby today 80p swede Sainsbury's today £1.60kg mine £1.20, now I could go on o Strawberries half price Sainsbury's £2 mine 2 for £1.80 or 99p each, Blueberry's mine 99p or 2 for £1.50 Sainsbury's again half price £1.50 for one. All prices correct as I've been in and looked so don't complain over one line![/p][/quote]the supermarkets sell quality produce though.............i know you dont like it but it's true........we are the customers and you would do well to remember that malonemalone
  • Score: -4

5:08pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Ol' Sherman says...

yorkandproud wrote:
Traders said,"they hadn't been properly consulted, and feared the council had already made up its mind". Seems a common thing in this city on all subjects, at present.
Yes indeed.
Nobody is consulted by this council, as we all know. Calling them dictators is quite true.
The council is controlled by "officers", who are not elected.
As for the facelift costing over £1.5 million. The country is still in a recession, for goodness sake. I suppose stealing tourists' money is fair.
All decent towns and cities have outdoor markets. But making it a outdoor coffee society place beggars belief.
The market traders will bear the facelift through their crippling rents.
Wake up, York council. Who are you all fooling?
[quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: Traders said,"they hadn't been properly consulted, and feared the council had already made up its mind". Seems a common thing in this city on all subjects, at present.[/p][/quote]Yes indeed. Nobody is consulted by this council, as we all know. Calling them dictators is quite true. The council is controlled by "officers", who are not elected. As for the facelift costing over £1.5 million. The country is still in a recession, for goodness sake. I suppose stealing tourists' money is fair. All decent towns and cities have outdoor markets. But making it a outdoor coffee society place beggars belief. The market traders will bear the facelift through their crippling rents. Wake up, York council. Who are you all fooling? Ol' Sherman
  • Score: -24

7:29pm Wed 19 Mar 14

RoseD says...

"Wake up, York council. Who are you all fooling?" Ol' Sherman
"Traders said they hadn't been properly consulted, and feared the council had already made up its mind". Seems a common thing in this city on all subjects, at present." Yorkandproud.

What else is new? This rogue council does what it likes, residents can go s*d off. Is the market tired? Maybe... But I can always get a watch battery fitted, pick up fingerless gloves, avoid the trip to giant supermarket when all I want is a few tomatoes.

It *WILL* be only a bunch of tables for coffee kiosks. York is already a joke. This will make it worse.
"Wake up, York council. Who are you all fooling?" Ol' Sherman "Traders said they hadn't been properly consulted, and feared the council had already made up its mind". Seems a common thing in this city on all subjects, at present." Yorkandproud. What else is new? This rogue council does what it likes, residents can go s*d off. Is the market tired? Maybe... But I can always get a watch battery fitted, pick up fingerless gloves, avoid the trip to giant supermarket when all I want is a few tomatoes. It *WILL* be only a bunch of tables for coffee kiosks. York is already a joke. This will make it worse. RoseD
  • Score: -16

8:15pm Wed 19 Mar 14

doltare says...

RoseD wrote:
"Wake up, York council. Who are you all fooling?" Ol' Sherman
"Traders said they hadn't been properly consulted, and feared the council had already made up its mind". Seems a common thing in this city on all subjects, at present." Yorkandproud.

What else is new? This rogue council does what it likes, residents can go s*d off. Is the market tired? Maybe... But I can always get a watch battery fitted, pick up fingerless gloves, avoid the trip to giant supermarket when all I want is a few tomatoes.

It *WILL* be only a bunch of tables for coffee kiosks. York is already a joke. This will make it worse.
Sonja Chrisp thinks she's knows it all and you never see her in market! O sorry you do for press photos. And as for supermarkets selling quality it's a pity you can't pop picks on hear Sainsbury's cauliflowers today yellow and in plastic £1.20 mine white fresh cut yesterday 75p Morrisons really taking **** out of customers with a pretend market on add with white caulis not white tonight foss Islands yellow in plastic again £1 and photos to prove it so fresh I don't think so! AgIn I could list at least 60 produce I sell which are fresher and cheaper and most from my own local growers don't pass comment on produce been rubbish in Newgate grow some balls come to market and show me my stall what's rubbish then I'll happily improve it ! Sheila's I'm open tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]RoseD[/bold] wrote: "Wake up, York council. Who are you all fooling?" Ol' Sherman "Traders said they hadn't been properly consulted, and feared the council had already made up its mind". Seems a common thing in this city on all subjects, at present." Yorkandproud. What else is new? This rogue council does what it likes, residents can go s*d off. Is the market tired? Maybe... But I can always get a watch battery fitted, pick up fingerless gloves, avoid the trip to giant supermarket when all I want is a few tomatoes. It *WILL* be only a bunch of tables for coffee kiosks. York is already a joke. This will make it worse.[/p][/quote]Sonja Chrisp thinks she's knows it all and you never see her in market! O sorry you do for press photos. And as for supermarkets selling quality it's a pity you can't pop picks on hear Sainsbury's cauliflowers today yellow and in plastic £1.20 mine white fresh cut yesterday 75p Morrisons really taking **** out of customers with a pretend market on add with white caulis not white tonight foss Islands yellow in plastic again £1 and photos to prove it so fresh I don't think so! AgIn I could list at least 60 produce I sell which are fresher and cheaper and most from my own local growers don't pass comment on produce been rubbish in Newgate grow some balls come to market and show me my stall what's rubbish then I'll happily improve it ! Sheila's I'm open tomorrow. doltare
  • Score: 9

2:50am Thu 20 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

Perhaps there is a better site for he market.... such as Stonebow. If Stonebow house was completely demolished, there would be an open space bigger than the current footprint of Newgate Market; and if Stonebow house is retained, the bulk of the 'ground floor' level (occupied by the Jobcentre and Transdev offices.... the Jobcentre could go to Rougier Street, as could Transdev if they plan on staying in York) could be opened out to create a covered market area with equal or greater size than the current setup in Newgate.... it would have good potential for attracting footfall as it's right by the primary bus stops for visitors from Malton and the east coast as well as local buses from the north and east of the city, and is still close to bus stops for the University and Selby; in addition it's on a through route from Kings Square to Fossgate and Shambles and is within eyesight of the busy side entrance to M&S (compared to the current market which is only in sight of people who use a back door from M&S)... and then Stonebow would be much easier access for traders too, as vans could go along St Saviourgate and then down that small street beside the back of Fibbers (I believe the street is actually called Hungate) to load and unload.

Oh, and also reduce the amount of crap stalls. How many people are after cheapo plastic mobile phone covers (of which these stalls only really cater for iPhones anyway... if you have a proper smartphone you have to look elsewhere), and how often in a person's lifetime will they need to get a phone unlocked? Also, when I enquired about unlocking a phone, I was quoted £70! How often do you go to York and think "I want a poster of a cat regretting what day of the week it is"? There should really be limits on how many stores of 'limited usefulness' such as these can be set up.
Perhaps there is a better site for he market.... such as Stonebow. If Stonebow house was completely demolished, there would be an open space bigger than the current footprint of Newgate Market; and if Stonebow house is retained, the bulk of the 'ground floor' level (occupied by the Jobcentre and Transdev offices.... the Jobcentre could go to Rougier Street, as could Transdev if they plan on staying in York) could be opened out to create a covered market area with equal or greater size than the current setup in Newgate.... it would have good potential for attracting footfall as it's right by the primary bus stops for visitors from Malton and the east coast as well as local buses from the north and east of the city, and is still close to bus stops for the University and Selby; in addition it's on a through route from Kings Square to Fossgate and Shambles and is within eyesight of the busy side entrance to M&S (compared to the current market which is only in sight of people who use a back door from M&S)... and then Stonebow would be much easier access for traders too, as vans could go along St Saviourgate and then down that small street beside the back of Fibbers (I believe the street is actually called Hungate) to load and unload. Oh, and also reduce the amount of crap stalls. How many people are after cheapo plastic mobile phone covers (of which these stalls only really cater for iPhones anyway... if you have a proper smartphone you have to look elsewhere), and how often in a person's lifetime will they need to get a phone unlocked? Also, when I enquired about unlocking a phone, I was quoted £70! How often do you go to York and think "I want a poster of a cat regretting what day of the week it is"? There should really be limits on how many stores of 'limited usefulness' such as these can be set up. Magicman!
  • Score: 5

4:55am Thu 20 Mar 14

doltare says...

malonemalone wrote:
all the market sells is a load of old junk apart from the nice bread trader and the flower trader...........onl

y so many dusters and mobile phone covers a person needs...............

.and not to mention the mess they create and the havoc with setting up and breaking down at the end of the day..........close it i say.........the fruit and veg never lasts either hence why they are almost giving it away some days
You would do better getting a job instead of talking s*** or you probably have a job working for one of the supermarkets cos this is the sort of rubbish they come out with. Plus it better to clear out at end of day rather than frown in bin like supermarkets, O and what do you call the stuff supermarkets give away last thing on a night?
[quote][p][bold]malonemalone[/bold] wrote: all the market sells is a load of old junk apart from the nice bread trader and the flower trader...........onl y so many dusters and mobile phone covers a person needs............... .and not to mention the mess they create and the havoc with setting up and breaking down at the end of the day..........close it i say.........the fruit and veg never lasts either hence why they are almost giving it away some days[/p][/quote]You would do better getting a job instead of talking s*** or you probably have a job working for one of the supermarkets cos this is the sort of rubbish they come out with. Plus it better to clear out at end of day rather than frown in bin like supermarkets, O and what do you call the stuff supermarkets give away last thing on a night? doltare
  • Score: 0

8:25am Thu 20 Mar 14

The Grim Reaper says...

doltare wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote: Maybe if traders offered value for money they would get more customers. Example - bananas - 68p per kilo (31p per pound at M & S, Tesco, Sainsbury's - on the market 70p per pound, over twice the price. And that is if you can see a price on them. It would help if stall holders were there on a more regular basis.
Funny how you've picked up on one line "bananas" when were paying £18 a box for 40llbs how can we sell at a loss? Supermarkets use Bananas as a lost leader and as there biz they can afford to do this! I sell nearly a 100 lines of fruit and veg and supermarkets are cheaper on about 10 so do your homework! ie Yorkshire cauliflowers fresh cut yesterday on my stall now at 75p supermarkets Selby cheapest today £1, Savoy my stall 75p Supermarkets Selby today 80p swede Sainsbury's today £1.60kg mine £1.20, now I could go on o Strawberries half price Sainsbury's £2 mine 2 for £1.80 or 99p each, Blueberry's mine 99p or 2 for £1.50 Sainsbury's again half price £1.50 for one. All prices correct as I've been in and looked so don't complain over one line!
I think you will find that banana's are not a loss leader. I stand by my example - I refuse to use the stall that sells the particular item I require (bananas) at the hiked up cost of almost 70%. And as a "customer" I choose where I do or do not buy from.

You say you pay £18.00 for a 40lb box of bananas - that is £0.45 a pound, yet you still try and flog then at 70p per pound. I know you have to make a living but a mark up of almost 70% is not "making a living" - it is "making a killing".

I not only take price into consideration, but also quality - and on that I rest my case m'lud......:-)
[quote][p][bold]doltare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Grim Reaper[/bold] wrote: Maybe if traders offered value for money they would get more customers. Example - bananas - 68p per kilo (31p per pound at M & S, Tesco, Sainsbury's - on the market 70p per pound, over twice the price. And that is if you can see a price on them. It would help if stall holders were there on a more regular basis.[/p][/quote]Funny how you've picked up on one line "bananas" when were paying £18 a box for 40llbs how can we sell at a loss? Supermarkets use Bananas as a lost leader and as there biz they can afford to do this! I sell nearly a 100 lines of fruit and veg and supermarkets are cheaper on about 10 so do your homework! ie Yorkshire cauliflowers fresh cut yesterday on my stall now at 75p supermarkets Selby cheapest today £1, Savoy my stall 75p Supermarkets Selby today 80p swede Sainsbury's today £1.60kg mine £1.20, now I could go on o Strawberries half price Sainsbury's £2 mine 2 for £1.80 or 99p each, Blueberry's mine 99p or 2 for £1.50 Sainsbury's again half price £1.50 for one. All prices correct as I've been in and looked so don't complain over one line![/p][/quote]I think you will find that banana's are not a loss leader. I stand by my example - I refuse to use the stall that sells the particular item I require (bananas) at the hiked up cost of almost 70%. And as a "customer" I choose where I do or do not buy from. You say you pay £18.00 for a 40lb box of bananas - that is £0.45 a pound, yet you still try and flog then at 70p per pound. I know you have to make a living but a mark up of almost 70% is not "making a living" - it is "making a killing". I not only take price into consideration, but also quality - and on that I rest my case m'lud......:-) The Grim Reaper
  • Score: -2

11:36am Thu 20 Mar 14

lexon2 says...

I like markets and shop in York's a number of times a week for fruit and veg, cheese, fish, meat, eggs and flowers and am more than satisfied with the quality and price. I also like the personal interaction with stall holders.
I can't quite see the point of people who don't use it constantly complaining about it. It's not as though anyone is forcing them to shop there.
I like markets and shop in York's a number of times a week for fruit and veg, cheese, fish, meat, eggs and flowers and am more than satisfied with the quality and price. I also like the personal interaction with stall holders. I can't quite see the point of people who don't use it constantly complaining about it. It's not as though anyone is forcing them to shop there. lexon2
  • Score: 7

12:18pm Thu 20 Mar 14

meme says...

It needs a central attraction to get locals and TOURISTS in
when we go on holiday everyone goes to a market to see what's locally on offer and often something is bought
even better if there is something to go and see!
how about Richards tomb or just a cool statue of him that will form part of the tourist circuit? get tourists in who will buy stuff and its a winner.

Half the fun of a market is its irregularity, the chaos, the squeeze of people etc make it sanitised and its doomed to fail.
It needs a central attraction to get locals and TOURISTS in when we go on holiday everyone goes to a market to see what's locally on offer and often something is bought even better if there is something to go and see! how about Richards tomb or just a cool statue of him that will form part of the tourist circuit? get tourists in who will buy stuff and its a winner. Half the fun of a market is its irregularity, the chaos, the squeeze of people etc make it sanitised and its doomed to fail. meme
  • Score: 4

12:48pm Thu 20 Mar 14

alanyork says...

doltare wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
Maybe if traders offered value for money they would get more customers. Example - bananas - 68p per kilo (31p per pound at M & S, Tesco, Sainsbury's - on the market 70p per pound, over twice the price. And that is if you can see a price on them. It would help if stall holders were there on a more regular basis.
Funny how you've picked up on one line "bananas" when were paying £18 a box for 40llbs how can we sell at a loss? Supermarkets use Bananas as a lost leader and as there biz they can afford to do this! I sell nearly a 100 lines of fruit and veg and supermarkets are cheaper on about 10 so do your homework! ie Yorkshire cauliflowers fresh cut yesterday on my stall now at 75p supermarkets Selby cheapest today £1, Savoy my stall 75p Supermarkets Selby today 80p swede Sainsbury's today £1.60kg mine £1.20, now I could go on o Strawberries half price Sainsbury's £2 mine 2 for £1.80 or 99p each, Blueberry's mine 99p or 2 for £1.50 Sainsbury's again half price £1.50 for one. All prices correct as I've been in and looked so don't complain over one line!
Yeah good lad, my wife said exactly the same yesterday Cauli's 75p and she said tesco are charging a Quid. They were super fresh and top quality so take no notice of Malone Malones comments below (better quality - what ! )

ALL YOU TRADERS GOT STUFFED BY OUR COYC WHEN THEY WORKED YOU OUT OF PARLIAMENT ST. ALL THOSE YEARS AGO and look what they do now - allow pride of place to Strangers to Trade - CRAZY EH ! !
[quote][p][bold]doltare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Grim Reaper[/bold] wrote: Maybe if traders offered value for money they would get more customers. Example - bananas - 68p per kilo (31p per pound at M & S, Tesco, Sainsbury's - on the market 70p per pound, over twice the price. And that is if you can see a price on them. It would help if stall holders were there on a more regular basis.[/p][/quote]Funny how you've picked up on one line "bananas" when were paying £18 a box for 40llbs how can we sell at a loss? Supermarkets use Bananas as a lost leader and as there biz they can afford to do this! I sell nearly a 100 lines of fruit and veg and supermarkets are cheaper on about 10 so do your homework! ie Yorkshire cauliflowers fresh cut yesterday on my stall now at 75p supermarkets Selby cheapest today £1, Savoy my stall 75p Supermarkets Selby today 80p swede Sainsbury's today £1.60kg mine £1.20, now I could go on o Strawberries half price Sainsbury's £2 mine 2 for £1.80 or 99p each, Blueberry's mine 99p or 2 for £1.50 Sainsbury's again half price £1.50 for one. All prices correct as I've been in and looked so don't complain over one line![/p][/quote]Yeah good lad, my wife said exactly the same yesterday Cauli's 75p and she said tesco are charging a Quid. They were super fresh and top quality so take no notice of Malone Malones comments below (better quality - what ! ) ALL YOU TRADERS GOT STUFFED BY OUR COYC WHEN THEY WORKED YOU OUT OF PARLIAMENT ST. ALL THOSE YEARS AGO and look what they do now - allow pride of place to Strangers to Trade - CRAZY EH ! ! alanyork
  • Score: 1

12:52pm Thu 20 Mar 14

alanyork says...

doltare wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
Maybe if traders offered value for money they would get more customers. Example - bananas - 68p per kilo (31p per pound at M & S, Tesco, Sainsbury's - on the market 70p per pound, over twice the price. And that is if you can see a price on them. It would help if stall holders were there on a more regular basis.
Funny how you've picked up on one line "bananas" when were paying £18 a box for 40llbs how can we sell at a loss? Supermarkets use Bananas as a lost leader and as there biz they can afford to do this! I sell nearly a 100 lines of fruit and veg and supermarkets are cheaper on about 10 so do your homework! ie Yorkshire cauliflowers fresh cut yesterday on my stall now at 75p supermarkets Selby cheapest today £1, Savoy my stall 75p Supermarkets Selby today 80p swede Sainsbury's today £1.60kg mine £1.20, now I could go on o Strawberries half price Sainsbury's £2 mine 2 for £1.80 or 99p each, Blueberry's mine 99p or 2 for £1.50 Sainsbury's again half price £1.50 for one. All prices correct as I've been in and looked so don't complain over one line!
Yeah good lad, my wife said exactly the same yesterday Cauli's 75p and she said tesco are charging a Quid. They were super fresh and top quality so take no notice of Malone Malones comments below (better quality - what ! )

ALL YOU TRADERS GOT STUFFED BY OUR COYC WHEN THEY WORKED YOU OUT OF PARLIAMENT ST. ALL THOSE YEARS AGO and look what they do now - allow pride of place to Strangers to Trade - CRAZY EH ! !
[quote][p][bold]doltare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Grim Reaper[/bold] wrote: Maybe if traders offered value for money they would get more customers. Example - bananas - 68p per kilo (31p per pound at M & S, Tesco, Sainsbury's - on the market 70p per pound, over twice the price. And that is if you can see a price on them. It would help if stall holders were there on a more regular basis.[/p][/quote]Funny how you've picked up on one line "bananas" when were paying £18 a box for 40llbs how can we sell at a loss? Supermarkets use Bananas as a lost leader and as there biz they can afford to do this! I sell nearly a 100 lines of fruit and veg and supermarkets are cheaper on about 10 so do your homework! ie Yorkshire cauliflowers fresh cut yesterday on my stall now at 75p supermarkets Selby cheapest today £1, Savoy my stall 75p Supermarkets Selby today 80p swede Sainsbury's today £1.60kg mine £1.20, now I could go on o Strawberries half price Sainsbury's £2 mine 2 for £1.80 or 99p each, Blueberry's mine 99p or 2 for £1.50 Sainsbury's again half price £1.50 for one. All prices correct as I've been in and looked so don't complain over one line![/p][/quote]Yeah good lad, my wife said exactly the same yesterday Cauli's 75p and she said tesco are charging a Quid. They were super fresh and top quality so take no notice of Malone Malones comments below (better quality - what ! ) ALL YOU TRADERS GOT STUFFED BY OUR COYC WHEN THEY WORKED YOU OUT OF PARLIAMENT ST. ALL THOSE YEARS AGO and look what they do now - allow pride of place to Strangers to Trade - CRAZY EH ! ! alanyork
  • Score: 0

1:15pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Mr Trellis says...

Newgate Market is a loss making, dated, disgrace .Silver Street drags York into the third world.
CYC should be making £350 sq/m from this prime site at the heart of the city not subsidizing the sales of mindless junk. Get some 21st century architects and turn it into an entertainment and food court area with an all weather stage. Build a balcony restaurant around the sides of M&S add to and open the backs of shops along the Shambles and the rear of Parliament Street in short make it a year round venue that brings people to the city for a unique experience they can not get out of town.
Newgate Market is a loss making, dated, disgrace .Silver Street drags York into the third world. CYC should be making £350 sq/m from this prime site at the heart of the city not subsidizing the sales of mindless junk. Get some 21st century architects and turn it into an entertainment and food court area with an all weather stage. Build a balcony restaurant around the sides of M&S add to and open the backs of shops along the Shambles and the rear of Parliament Street in short make it a year round venue that brings people to the city for a unique experience they can not get out of town. Mr Trellis
  • Score: 6

2:37pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Yeller Belly says...

Move it to Front Street in Acomb..? Everyone's a winner.
Move it to Front Street in Acomb..? Everyone's a winner. Yeller Belly
  • Score: 3

6:07pm Thu 20 Mar 14

malonemalone says...

doltare wrote:
malonemalone wrote:
all the market sells is a load of old junk apart from the nice bread trader and the flower trader...........onl


y so many dusters and mobile phone covers a person needs...............


.and not to mention the mess they create and the havoc with setting up and breaking down at the end of the day..........close it i say.........the fruit and veg never lasts either hence why they are almost giving it away some days
You would do better getting a job instead of talking s*** or you probably have a job working for one of the supermarkets cos this is the sort of rubbish they come out with. Plus it better to clear out at end of day rather than frown in bin like supermarkets, O and what do you call the stuff supermarkets give away last thing on a night?
truth hurts clearly!
[quote][p][bold]doltare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]malonemalone[/bold] wrote: all the market sells is a load of old junk apart from the nice bread trader and the flower trader...........onl y so many dusters and mobile phone covers a person needs............... .and not to mention the mess they create and the havoc with setting up and breaking down at the end of the day..........close it i say.........the fruit and veg never lasts either hence why they are almost giving it away some days[/p][/quote]You would do better getting a job instead of talking s*** or you probably have a job working for one of the supermarkets cos this is the sort of rubbish they come out with. Plus it better to clear out at end of day rather than frown in bin like supermarkets, O and what do you call the stuff supermarkets give away last thing on a night?[/p][/quote]truth hurts clearly! malonemalone
  • Score: 1

1:53am Fri 21 Mar 14

ouseswimmer says...

The simple solution is to close the market and rebuild it as it used to be before being bombed. Recreating ancient wooden framed buildings would create skilled craftsmen and enlarge the Shambles area for tourists thus enabling the Council to collect far higher rents and lower council tax.Its a win win solution. Meanwhile bananas are cheaper in M&S than on the market and everything else can be bought in the pound shops.
The simple solution is to close the market and rebuild it as it used to be before being bombed. Recreating ancient wooden framed buildings would create skilled craftsmen and enlarge the Shambles area for tourists thus enabling the Council to collect far higher rents and lower council tax.Its a win win solution. Meanwhile bananas are cheaper in M&S than on the market and everything else can be bought in the pound shops. ouseswimmer
  • Score: 0

11:26am Fri 21 Mar 14

eeoodares says...

It does not matter where the market is, if it sold decent products people would find it out. The market has sold nothing but tat for years. I still occasionally wander round the market, but I never find anything I want to buy.
I would give some of those empty stalls, rent free, to businesses wanting to operate from there providing they are not duplicating products or services currently being offered. Get the University involved, that place should be a hotbed of start-ups!
It does not matter where the market is, if it sold decent products people would find it out. The market has sold nothing but tat for years. I still occasionally wander round the market, but I never find anything I want to buy. I would give some of those empty stalls, rent free, to businesses wanting to operate from there providing they are not duplicating products or services currently being offered. Get the University involved, that place should be a hotbed of start-ups! eeoodares
  • Score: 1

5:24pm Tue 25 Mar 14

doltare says...

alanyork wrote:
doltare wrote:
The Grim Reaper wrote:
Maybe if traders offered value for money they would get more customers. Example - bananas - 68p per kilo (31p per pound at M & S, Tesco, Sainsbury's - on the market 70p per pound, over twice the price. And that is if you can see a price on them. It would help if stall holders were there on a more regular basis.
Funny how you've picked up on one line "bananas" when were paying £18 a box for 40llbs how can we sell at a loss? Supermarkets use Bananas as a lost leader and as there biz they can afford to do this! I sell nearly a 100 lines of fruit and veg and supermarkets are cheaper on about 10 so do your homework! ie Yorkshire cauliflowers fresh cut yesterday on my stall now at 75p supermarkets Selby cheapest today £1, Savoy my stall 75p Supermarkets Selby today 80p swede Sainsbury's today £1.60kg mine £1.20, now I could go on o Strawberries half price Sainsbury's £2 mine 2 for £1.80 or 99p each, Blueberry's mine 99p or 2 for £1.50 Sainsbury's again half price £1.50 for one. All prices correct as I've been in and looked so don't complain over one line!
Yeah good lad, my wife said exactly the same yesterday Cauli's 75p and she said tesco are charging a Quid. They were super fresh and top quality so take no notice of Malone Malones comments below (better quality - what ! )

ALL YOU TRADERS GOT STUFFED BY OUR COYC WHEN THEY WORKED YOU OUT OF PARLIAMENT ST. ALL THOSE YEARS AGO and look what they do now - allow pride of place to Strangers to Trade - CRAZY EH ! !
James Alexander has no balls he ignores emails fobs us of to Sonja Crisp who has no clue how to run a market. I don't take notice of any bad comments as there just from supermarket sheep who fall for the cheap banana scam but are so thick they pay in M&S £2 for blueberry's when mine are 2 for £1,50 same with Strawberries but these Muppet's don't mention our cheap lines!! i have a go on here not cos these muppet's wind me up its to get there blood boiling which it do's just read there silly comments like close the market! plus getting a lot of poss feedback from customers
[quote][p][bold]alanyork[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]doltare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Grim Reaper[/bold] wrote: Maybe if traders offered value for money they would get more customers. Example - bananas - 68p per kilo (31p per pound at M & S, Tesco, Sainsbury's - on the market 70p per pound, over twice the price. And that is if you can see a price on them. It would help if stall holders were there on a more regular basis.[/p][/quote]Funny how you've picked up on one line "bananas" when were paying £18 a box for 40llbs how can we sell at a loss? Supermarkets use Bananas as a lost leader and as there biz they can afford to do this! I sell nearly a 100 lines of fruit and veg and supermarkets are cheaper on about 10 so do your homework! ie Yorkshire cauliflowers fresh cut yesterday on my stall now at 75p supermarkets Selby cheapest today £1, Savoy my stall 75p Supermarkets Selby today 80p swede Sainsbury's today £1.60kg mine £1.20, now I could go on o Strawberries half price Sainsbury's £2 mine 2 for £1.80 or 99p each, Blueberry's mine 99p or 2 for £1.50 Sainsbury's again half price £1.50 for one. All prices correct as I've been in and looked so don't complain over one line![/p][/quote]Yeah good lad, my wife said exactly the same yesterday Cauli's 75p and she said tesco are charging a Quid. They were super fresh and top quality so take no notice of Malone Malones comments below (better quality - what ! ) ALL YOU TRADERS GOT STUFFED BY OUR COYC WHEN THEY WORKED YOU OUT OF PARLIAMENT ST. ALL THOSE YEARS AGO and look what they do now - allow pride of place to Strangers to Trade - CRAZY EH ! ![/p][/quote]James Alexander has no balls he ignores emails fobs us of to Sonja Crisp who has no clue how to run a market. I don't take notice of any bad comments as there just from supermarket sheep who fall for the cheap banana scam but are so thick they pay in M&S £2 for blueberry's when mine are 2 for £1,50 same with Strawberries but these Muppet's don't mention our cheap lines!! i have a go on here not cos these muppet's wind me up its to get there blood boiling which it do's just read there silly comments like close the market! plus getting a lot of poss feedback from customers doltare
  • Score: 1

5:28pm Tue 25 Mar 14

doltare says...

malonemalone wrote:
doltare wrote:
malonemalone wrote:
all the market sells is a load of old junk apart from the nice bread trader and the flower trader...........onl



y so many dusters and mobile phone covers a person needs...............



.and not to mention the mess they create and the havoc with setting up and breaking down at the end of the day..........close it i say.........the fruit and veg never lasts either hence why they are almost giving it away some days
You would do better getting a job instead of talking s*** or you probably have a job working for one of the supermarkets cos this is the sort of rubbish they come out with. Plus it better to clear out at end of day rather than frown in bin like supermarkets, O and what do you call the stuff supermarkets give away last thing on a night?
truth hurts clearly!
Yes I thought the truth would hurt you!
[quote][p][bold]malonemalone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]doltare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]malonemalone[/bold] wrote: all the market sells is a load of old junk apart from the nice bread trader and the flower trader...........onl y so many dusters and mobile phone covers a person needs............... .and not to mention the mess they create and the havoc with setting up and breaking down at the end of the day..........close it i say.........the fruit and veg never lasts either hence why they are almost giving it away some days[/p][/quote]You would do better getting a job instead of talking s*** or you probably have a job working for one of the supermarkets cos this is the sort of rubbish they come out with. Plus it better to clear out at end of day rather than frown in bin like supermarkets, O and what do you call the stuff supermarkets give away last thing on a night?[/p][/quote]truth hurts clearly![/p][/quote]Yes I thought the truth would hurt you! doltare
  • Score: 0

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